The Australian has published aggregated Newspoll breakdowns from polling conducted from August 28 to October 12, encompassing the four polls conducted since Pyxis Polling took over. The overall sample is 6378, having been boosted by 2368 in the pre-referendum poll (which recorded 57% for no and 37% for yes, converting to a bang-on-accurate 60.6-39.4 after exclusion of the uncommitted).
Keeping in mind that the previous set of results, from February 1 to April 3, were conducted by a different agency, the results show Labor’s two-party lead up slightly in New South Wales (from 55-45 to 56-44) and South Australia (from 56-44 to 57-43), but down solidly in Victoria (from 58-42 to 54-46) and Western Australia (57-43 to 53-47). The Coalition is credited with a 52-48 lead in Queensland after a 50-50 result last time, and we are given the rare treat of numbers for Tasmania, where Labor leads 57-43. This suggests swings to Labor of about 4.5% in New South Wales, 2% in Queensland, 3% in South Australia and 2.5% in Tasmania, and to the Coalition of 1% in Victoria and 2% in Western Australia.
The age breakdowns do not repeat a Labor blowout last time among the 18-to-34 cohort, which has progressed over the term’s three Newspoll breakdowns from 65-35 to 69-31 to 64-35. A five-point Coalition gain on the primary vote to 26% means they do not again finish behind the Greens, who are up a point to 25%, with Labor down six to 37%. The results among the older cohorts are essentially unchanged.
Further results suggest the opening of a substantial new gender gap, or of distinctive house effects between the two polling outfits. Where last time Labor was credited with a slightly bigger lead among men (55-45) than women (54-46), its advantage is now out to 56-44 among women and in to 51-49 among men. Income breakdowns now conform with the traditional pattern, with a 57-43 Labor lead among households on annual incomes of up to $50,000 progressively receding to 50-50 among those on $150,000 or more. The previous breakdowns had Labor strongest in the two middle-income cohorts.
Re Goll @10:42 “The “voice” has been delayed for short term political motives.”
True enough, but I think it’s much more than that. It’s about a vision for Australia’s future, in particular the positions of First Nations people in it.
On the one hand we have a vision of “Anglo Australia”, a transplanted Anglo civilisation on the far side of the world, absorbing and assimilating First Nations people and migrants alike. Rather like the view that Menzies, in fact pretty much all Australian leaders up until about 50 years ago. The “M” word (Multicultural) is never mentioned.
The we have a vibrant, multicultural Australia, with a place for First Nations, for the “old” Australians (descendents of 19th century and early 20th century settlers like myself) and the many migrants that have arrived from all over the world post World War 2 and who will arrive in future.
Watermelonsays:
Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 10:59 am
The need for change is as plain as the tasteless Union Jack used as part of the Australian flag!
“One thing I am sure of is that we are never going to change this hideous dogshit flag.”
Time time time, it will go together with the “white superiority” and the worshipping at the sacred altar of Devine Western Civilization.
Good-bye old Jack!
On UK politics:
There should have been a general election after Boris went but especially after Truss went. The Tories thought they were better off going full term and praying for a miracle – instead, stretching out an unpopular government onto its second unelected Prime Minister selected solely by right wing extremist Tory members is merely running them even further into the mud and saving even less deckchairs. What’s a year of Rishi got them, besides a salary for Rishi who doesn’t need the cash anyway? Do they really think a second and final year of Rishi is going to be a good idea?
For all the shitting on Starmer that goes on here from the usual clueless suspects who line up to purity test Laborites, he’s going to lead UK Labour to an absolutely crushing victory when the Conservatives finally have to call the election.
Dave
What was better, the dealer had MG4s in stock when Mrs Dog found out there was an orange option…sealed the deal.
I surprised a Merc owner at the lights yesterday…when I finally reached 60kmph he went past at a rate of knots which his V8 at fever pitch. Poor petal!
a r:
Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 10:37 am
Mavis @ #722 Wednesday, October 25th, 2023 – 9:05 am
It appears that Meadows has flipped.
[‘Isn’t this old news, about the DC case? As in, newly available information about something he actually did ages ago?’]
This is how ABC (US) News is reporting it:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/chief-staff-mark-meadows-granted-immunity-tells-special/story?id=104231281
The Flag and the Monarchy are part of the Right-wing vision of Anglo Australia. They will not be changed in the foreseeable future.
How far does the “foreseeable future” extend? No idea. It would be for as long as Australia looks more or less as it does today, so maybe a few decades, maybe longer.
@nath: “As soon as China is measurably more powerful than the US, Australia will drop ANZUS and AUKUS and try to get as close to China as possible. It’s our history, we are essentially scared little people looking for the great power to protect us..”
I think you’re projecting there, nath.
Watermelon 10.59
‘One thing I am sure of is that we are never going to change this hideous dogshit flag.’
I love that we have a hideous dogshit flag.
I hate fucking flag flyers and one reason we’re not inundated with them is because half the country hates our flag, for which I’m grateful.
Flag flying leads to patriotism leads to nationalism leads to war against some other mob of flag flyers.
Can’t argue with that. Not after that Voice referendum result.
Dog’s Brunch @ #754 Wednesday, October 25th, 2023 – 11:20 am
Yep the torque is push you back in your seat stuff.
I got the $3,000 EV rebate within 15 business days – so that was great as well.
Then there is this beast about to be on sale in Australia –
MG4 XPOWER
The MG4 XPOWER blends European artistry with cutting-edge engineering, delivering an impressive 320kW of power and 600Nm of torque.
With enhanced torque vectoring and an electronic differential, it effortlessly conquers diverse driving conditions. Boasting All-Wheel Drive, One Pedal driving, Track Mode functions, and rapid Launch Control, it achieves 0-100km/h in a breathtaking 3.8 seconds.
In NSW theMG XPower is $61,736 before on road costs.
The base Excite 51 is $40,709 Drive away which includes rego, green slip & dealers fee etc before the EV rebate and any trade in.
A number of trim levels and pricing between the above two models
https://mgmotor.com.au/models/mg-mg4xpower/
Drag race ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ikVe8IhPE&pp=ygUJbWcgeHBvd2Vy
Sheer brilliance .. I don’t think this lot of Republicans are any smarter than any in the last 20 years.. it’s just more obvious now.
Emmer Drops Speaker Bid After Right-Wing Backlash
Tom Emmer, the House G.O.P.’s No. 3 leader, narrowly won his party’s nomination but drew an immediate backlash from right-wing colleagues and former President Donald J. Trump.
Captain Moonlight @ #744 Wednesday, October 25th, 2023 – 10:41 am
Best to phone a dealer near you because its a moving situation. Or MG Australia –
https://mgmotor.com.au/car-models/
From formal order it took 6 weeks for me, but I’d expressed interest just after Easter.
My dealer logged it as a deal without a deposit or binding me to buy as I was keeping my options open for the BYD Dolphin.
The Dolphins are still ‘coming’ I believe ?
The MG4’s are selling themselves but depending on the model & colour you want you may well get lucky.
Surely the majority of sane US voters know by now that Trump will never be POTUS again.
My gut feeling is that he won’t go to jail, for some reason they equate presidents to gods and their religious instincts will avoid that. I predict bone spurs two, where he is quietly convinced to shut his gob and quietly shuffle off to some luxurious sanitorium to see out his days.
For those interested this is a NZ review (so same model) of the MG4 EV vs BYD Atto3. Both excellent EVs IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3KaKeh_ky0
The base model MG4 Excite is reviewed here. It is even better value at $40K.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEcR5EUKIQI
What’s the turning circle? I couldn’t find it listed in the specs.
goll
“Time time time, it will go together with the “white superiority” and the worshipping at the sacred altar of Devine Western Civilization.”
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I have no idea what “worshipping at the sacred altar of Devine (sic) Western Civilisation” even means.
What “civilisation” should Australia adopt? How do you go about consciously defining and adopting a non-western civilisation ? Re-educate the current evil “westerners” and ban any new migrants not from the future civilisation?
This sounds suspiciously like just More Shit From America where “race” is reified.
Pueo @ #765 Wednesday, October 25th, 2023 – 11:57 am
I can’t see it either, but from driving it – its a small tight turning circle.
Some of the UK reviews on YouTube noted this as well.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-25/russell-northe-sentenced-gambling-county-court-parliament/103014400
Former Victorian National Party state MP for Morwell Russell Northe has been sentenced to nearly two years in prison for using almost $180,000 of public money to fuel his gambling addiction.
Apparently it’s 11.7 on the XPOWER, 10.6 on the other variants.
Rikali
“What “civilisation” should Australia adopt? How do you go about consciously defining and adopting a non-western civilisation ? Re-educate the current evil “westerners” and ban any new migrants not from the future civilisation?”
How about starting with the recognition of the First Australians for a start.
Australian voters think the political expediency as promoted, pushed and advertised during the “voice” campaign is going to make the issue less significant and disappear should consider the history of such issues.
As to “what civilization Australia should adopt”, it would appear that the majority would quite happily adopt a civilization that excludes the First Australians.
“Re-educate the current evil “westerners” and ban any new migrants not from the future civilisation?” That’s something on your mind to consider perhaps.
“This sounds suspiciously like just More Shit From America where “race” is reified.” Whatever ! Again that’s something on your mind.
And yes my spelling is wrong, my point not.
My point is that “First Australians” should be recognised.
But you knew that before deciding to have “a little blow out”
Leroy @ #762 Wednesday, October 25th, 2023 – 12:11 pm
Very sad.
There has to be some other way to rehabilitate him. Prison should only be for violent people.
Socrates,
To the points that you made @ 10.26am.
RE #2:
I think you are giving too much credence to the power of the Republican Party to sway the American electorate to a victory for them in 2024 and hence to enable the decapitation of AUKUS. Even before 2024 by stymieing it in the House or the Senate as a result of the malignant influence of Donald Trump and his flying monkey minions in Congress. Well,at least to the extent of the Republicans in the House succeeding in shutting down the government permanently being the way in which they enable their Authoritarian Caesar to return to power. Then it’s a case of, all bets are off. Because Trump will do everything in his, thus effectively unlimited, power for the benefit of Xi and Putin. That means AUKUS is off for sure and all.
However, I really don’t think that is the realistic scenario. I think that the Democrats will win in 2024 and I think someone from that party, who will come from their strong bench of Governors, will win in 2028. And the Democrats will keep winning until the Authoritarian menace is put back in its box on the Republican side.
I also believe that the Republican Party is crashing and burning in the same way that the Democrats did when they had to put the party in the crucible to rid themselves of the White Surpremacy wing of their party. The Republican Party is an Illiberal Party now, just like Dutton is trying to remake the Coalition into in Australia. And an Illiberal Party just loves a Strong Man. The problem with that is that the electorate remains to be convinced. Hence, the unstinting attempts,on both sides of the Pacific to persuade the electorate that their Centre Left governments and leaders are weak and feckless. Another good reason to stick with AUKUS, to demonstrate that Centre Left governments are capable of standing together against the new world order that the Autocratic Despots are attempting to create. Also that the electorate doesn’t need to turn to a Strong Man to protect it.
Finally, I agree that India, and Japan, Taiwan, The Philippines and Indonesia, should become a part of our strategic alliances going forward. I’m still not sure about France, because look at what happened in Germany overnight. A Putin supporter has formed her own party and with 12% support could upend the next election there,and not in a good way. That could so easily happen in France as well.
Anyway, that’s my 2c-worth.
‘The UK’s tilt to the Indo-Pacific is far from being achieved ‘ because they’ve only just started tilting! Sheesh!
We peddle weaponry to the world. We peddle fossil fuels to the world. It makes me ashamed to be Australian.
So that’s why Rishi Sunak and Scott Morrison created AUKUS.
It was a stupid idea to commit 300 billion dollars to an anti-Chinese Aggression Pact with a dysfunctional superpower; fortunately said superpower is now so dysfunctional that the whole thing will crash and burn, if we’re lucky.
goll
How about starting with the recognition of the First Australians for a start.
Australian voters think the political expediency as promoted, pushed and advertised during the “voice” campaign is going to make the issue less significant and disappear should consider the history of such issues.
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I totally agree it is an important step in Australia’s maturation as a nation. But that has absolutely nothing to do with adopting a new civilisation.
The voice, treaty and truth telling would enhance our culture.
I also advocate that a new head of state of Australia should have as part of its office a ‘care for Country Voice’, if you like. The Title should reflect that and not a bloody derivative ‘President’.
Socrates @ #512 Tuesday, October 24th, 2023 – 4:01 pm
Labor only even looks Centre Left if you are looking from the Ultra Right.
The likely new US Speaker designee sounds like Jim Jordan who wears a jacket..
Representative Mike Johnson of Louisiana, a lawyer who is the former chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee, is a favorite of the party’s right wing.
An evangelical Christian who is a member of the Judiciary Committee, Mr. Johnson, 51, was a key architect of Republicans’ objections to certifying the victory of President Biden on Jan. 6, 2021. Many Republicans in Congress relied on his arguments.
Mr. Johnson voted against a stopgap spending bill put forward by former Speaker Kevin McCarthy to avert a government shutdown. Mr. Johnson is an ally and supporter of Representative Jim Jordan who considered moving forward with his own bid for speaker only after Mr. Jordan fell short.
Under conservative Labor and L/NP govts Australia remains firmly in a 20th century mindset with alliances remaining with failing nations and to the fossil fuel industry.
Rep. Mike Johnson (R-La.) was elected the Republican speaker nominee Tuesday in an internal vote by the GOP conference during a dramatic day in which Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) won a nomination vote but later dropped out. Johnson, 51, is the fourth Republican speaker pick since the ouster of Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.). He is an attorney and former radio host who has served in the House since 2017 and is the vice chair of the House Republican conference.
WAPO
Well they have elected a new speaker
Labor has:
1. Supported wage increases for lowest paid workers, particularly those in what are sometimes called ‘female’ industries.
2. A majority of women in its parliamentary party.
3. Appointed numerous women to the ministry including Cabinet.
4. Appointed numerous women to senior positions across a range of national organizations.
5. Significantly reduced the price of medicines.
6. Increased spending on public education.
7. Provided fee-free TAFE positions.
8. Increased renewables investments by more than $20 billion.
9. Increased worker protections.
10. Increased spending on public health.
11. Increased public provision for childcare.
12. Implemented, or committed to implementing ALL of the various recommendations relating to behaviour management in the parliament, with particular reference to the place of women.
13. Reformed the NDIS to the benefit of disabled people.
14. Reformed social security delivery to the benefit of social security clients.
15. Increased Medicare subsidies to improve access to public health.
16. Taken measures to decrease the cost of energy.
17. Tightened at least some of the tax regulations resulting in billions extra going into kitty.
18. Freed up private sector investments into renewables.
19. Tried, but failed, to ensure Indigenous recognition in the Constitution. (See Dutton@No!)
20. Tried, but failed, to ensure a constitutionally supported Voice. (See Dutton@No!)
21. Substantially increased spending on public housing.
etc, etc, etc.
These are all typical behaviours of a centre left government.
By way of contrast, the Coalition has either tacitly or actively opposed ALL of the above.
By way of contrast, the Greens have generally, at various times or still, actively delayed or opposed ALL of the above.
Mavis @ #781 Wednesday, October 25th, 2023 – 12:02 pm
Speaker nominee. No Speaker yet.
Elon Musk has recently white-knight-splained to Ukrainians how they really do actually wish to be part of Russia, because he thinks “there is not a significant insurgency in eastern Ukraine”. Here’s some reports on the responses of actual Ukrainian partisans resisting Russian occupation behind enemy lines:
“As well as glossing over a years-long campaign to Russify areas of Ukraine occupied since 2014, Musk also appeared to ignore the overwhelming evidence of a significant partisan and insurgent movement that has only escalated since February of last year. Kyiv Post reached out to several Ukrainian partisan groups to ask them what they thought of Musk’s comments.
One, Mariupol Resistance, responded in no uncertain terms with a phrase that roughly translates into English as: “We would pull his eyes to his ass. No conversation. [Ми йому б глаз на дупу натягнули. Без розмов]. Apparently photos and information [of partisan activity] from Mariupol just appear by themselves? And cars just explode by themselves?”
Ukrainian resistance movements are highly active in Russian-occupied Ukraine and have scored numerous major successes in recent months. Their activities are coordinated by a special branch of the Ukrainian military called the National Resistance Center (NRC), established in February 2022 in the early days of Russia’s full-scale invasion.
Perhaps most notably, partisans played a key role in two devastating missile strikes on Russia’s Black Sea Fleet (BSF) during September, recruiting Russian servicemen who then relayed information about the location of both ships and top BSF personnel. Several ships and a submarine were destroyed and the BSF HQ in Sevastopol was later hit in a strike that may have killed the BSF commander himself.”
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/23192
Mavis
It is only the GOP caucus vote so far, not on the floor of the House yet
‘Paul says:
Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:07 pm
Elon Musk has recently white-knight-splained to Ukrainians how they really do actually wish to be part of Russia,…’
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Several Bludgers tankies, among whom Watermelon, would have empathy for Musk’s position.
In the same interview, Elon Musk goes full ‘sermon on the mount’ to Ukrainians, scolding them for not ‘turning the other cheek’ towards Russia’s war crimes and genocide against them:
“During the online discussion between Musk and his venture capitalist and friend David Sacks, he also insisted Ukraine should “normalise” relations with Russia despite the country having launched an illegal and unprovoked invasion.
He said: “We should stop sacrificing the flower of Ukrainian youth in trenches pointlessly and do and, and, and do a ceasefire and, and begin the process of renormalization relations with Russia.”
Musk – who grew up in South Africa – added: “I mean, they’re, they’re quite literally cousins, Ukraine had family in Russia. People in Russia have family in Ukraine. So like what, what I’m trying to say is that these are not natural adversaries, they had their grievances, but they, they are, you’re quite literally family and, and I think we in the West are sort of pushing them to kill their, their sons. And, and it seems wrong to me to do that to add to the, the, the regional tragedy there is the civilizational risk that we are brewing by making Russia a pariah to the West.”
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/23192
I think we all know what the survivors of this new genocide Russia is inflicting on Ukrainians will tell Musk, about this breathtakingly callous call of his for them to ‘kiss and make up’. First, he should call on Russia to depart completely from Ukraine, restore all that it took from them, make reparations, and apologise on bended knee.
>By way of contrast, the Greens have generally, at various times or still, actively delayed or opposed ALL of the above.
Citation needed.
Especially
8. Increased renewables investments by more than $20 billion
Because Labor is also guilty of reducing renewables investments
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/24/renewable-energy-target-senate-sits-late-to-pass-bill-without-amendment
Cat 12:35pm
I appreciate you are trying to be positive and I sincerely hope things turn out in US politics as you suggest.
However the fact is it takes even USA 8 years to build and commission a Virginia SSN. For Australia to get three will take around 12 to 15 years. In order for Australia to get the subs, we need an unbroken succession of non-Trump like presidents and House majorities. If at any time a POTUS or House majority hostile to AUKUS comes to power, they can scupper the deal without compensation.
Likewise with the UK designed SSN AUKUS build, which will take 23 years before we are due to receive our first one. At any time between now and then a future US POTUS or House majority could withdraw approval under their ITAR Act for Australia to get an SSN with US IP in it, which SSN AUKUS would be.
This is not hypothetical. There are several instances where the USA has withdrawn ITAR approval on previously signed contracts. Notably a recent one was the F35 deal with Turkey. SSN AUKUS remains high risk unless they change the legislation to exempt UK and USA. That has not happened after two years.
So what are the historical odds the Republicans will not recapture the White House in the next 12 to 15 years? (2024, 2028, 2032, 2036) What are the odds the next Republican POTUS is not Trump-like? Those are the odds of AUKUS succeeding.
On point #3
“‘The UK’s tilt to the Indo-Pacific is far from being achieved ‘ because they’ve only just started tilting! Sheesh!”
The article points out that the UK has not yet started “tilting” to the Pacific apart from two patrol boats. On current budgets it does not have the capacity to do so. The UK navy is shrinking, not growing (like ours).
At present Rishi Sunak is cutting the UK defence budget. Australian AUKUS funds will be used to make up shortfalls in UK SSN funding. Likewise our RAN sub crews now on UK SSNs, whilst gaining valuable experience, are also making up a shortfall in RN sub-crew recruiting. We seem to be paying for everything and getting no credit for the things we are giving.
Forget that part. How about blaming anyone but Russia for dead Ukrainians? Or anyone but Russia for making Russia into a pariah state?
Callous, consuming too much of his own disinformation on Twitter, or being actively blackmailed?
BW
And the keyboard warriors elsewhere say that Labor have done nothing for workers. God they’re braindead.
The funny thing is how much more closely our friend’s behaviour is to literal “genocide” than our enemy’s. Already something like four times as many children have been killed in Palestine as in the whole of the Ukraine war, from a much smaller population. Imagine Russia cutting off literally all food, water, medicine and fuel and issuing an evacuation order to depopulate half the territory on threat of carpet bombing. Look at the pictures of Kiev, today, and compare them to the pictures of Gaza.
I think it’s very important that we listen to the first nations people’s ideas on the matters that affect them. But at the same time I don’t see anything at all wrong with so called Whitefellas offering their thoughts on the matter if it’s done in good spirits. Good conversation is a two way process and both parties can learn from it.
ar/sprocket: thanks. I’m away from my trusted computer and heard it on my car radio. I’d be surprised though if he doesn’t get the gig, but stranger things have happened to the GOP. No more texting for me.
Moratorium, Watermelon.
People aren’t holding back on pointing out your swallowing of Hamas propaganda figures and one sided commentary for our health but because Mr Bowe fairly enough wants this place to be about Australian politics and not the endless Middle East flame war.
But hey, if you get yourself banned, I’ll be the first to cheer. Your Putin propaganda and support for Hamas doesn’t add to the conversation at all, just riles people.
Mike Johnson starts his Speaker designeeship with a lie..
Rep. Mike Johnson (R-La.), the GOP’s new speaker designate, emerged from the conference room Tuesday night to speak to reporters after a lengthy day of voting.
“Democracy is messy sometimes but it is our system,” Johnson said. “This conference that you see — this House Republican majority — is united.”
The Republican lawmakers who stood around Johnson erupted in cheers.
@Catprog – linking to a 2015 article when the Coalition was in power and Labor was trying to mitigate the Coalition’s laws as best they could in Opposition isn’t the slam dunk argument you seem to think it is.
You don’t often get headlines like this anymore.
“Pope accepts resignation of Polish bishop after gay orgy scandal in diocese”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/24/pope-accepts-resignation-polish-bishop-grzegorz-kaszak-gay-orgy-scandal-diocese
Right Arky I guess the health ministry in Gaza is just making up all these numbers, really nobody has died, nobody who matters anyway. I wasn’t trying to break the moratorium but since we’re all so outraged by what’s happening in Ukraine you have to wonder exactly how much more value a life seems to possess when it’s European. One of the century’s worst crimes against humanity is unfolding with the support of ourselves and our AUKUS allies but it’s “propaganda” if anyone notices that it’s even happening.
And then it should not be forgotten that, while the cruelties of the English are related as acts of martial vigour, told simply, rapidly, without dwelling on disgusting details, the outrages of the natives, shocking as they are, are still deliberately exaggerated … The cutting of noses, breasts, etc., in one word, the horrid mutilations committed by the sepoys, are of course more revolting to European feeling than the throwing of red-hot shell on Canton dwellings by a Secretary of the Manchester Peace Society, or the roasting of Arabs pent up in a cave by a French Marshal, or the flaying alive of British soldiers by the cat-o’-nine-tails under drum-head court martial, or any other of the philanthropical appliances used in British penitentiary colonies. Cruelty, like every other thing, has its fashion, changing according to time and place.
‘Catprog says:
Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:14 pm
>By way of contrast, the Greens have generally, at various times or still, actively delayed or opposed ALL of the above.
Citation needed.
Especially
8. Increased renewables investments by more than $20 billion
Because Labor is also guilty of reducing renewables investments
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/24/renewable-energy-target-senate-sits-late-to-pass-bill-without-amendment‘
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You must have been asleep.
The Greens resolutely opposed, and delayed by many months, Labor’s complete climate package. After stunting for months they (a) passed the package and (b) CONTINUED to oppose it because nothing Labor ever does is enough.
The total opposition by Ugly Dutton and the delays cost many months of investment and increased investment uncertainty.