The latest fortnightly Essential Research poll finds both major parties unchanged on the primary vote, Labor at 31% and the Coalition at 32%, with the Greens down two to 13%, One Nation up one to 8% and 6% undecided. The pollster’s 2PP+ measure has Labor down two to 49% and the Coalition up two to 45% – the narrowest result this term – with undecided likewise at 6%. A result on the Indigenous Voice maintains the remorseless trend, with no up three to 51% (hard no up one to 42%, soft no up one to 8%) and and yes down one to 41% (hard yes down two to 28%, soft yes steady at 12%).
Regarding the government’s latest package of workplace laws, the poll finds 79% are in favour of criminalising wage theft, with only 6% opposed; 66% support “closing loopholes so that employers can’t use labour hire workers to undercut full time workers”, with 12% opposed; and 54% support “ensure that gig workers who work through digital platforms have minimum rights and entitlements”, with 15% opposed. Forty-nine per cent favoured “businesses maximising profits for shareholders” as the cause of rising living costs over 32% for the alternative cause of wage and salary increases for workers, and 42% felt workplace power tilted too much in favour of employers compared with 12% for workers. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1135.
Also doing the rounds is a Victorian state poll from RedBridge Group that shows primary vote shares much as they were at the November election, with Labor on 37%, the Coalition on 34% and the Greens on 13% (36.7%, 34.5% and 11.5% respectively at the election). However, Labor is credited with a wider two-party preferred lead of 56.5-43.5, compared with 55.0-45.0 at the election. The poll was conducted August 31 to September 14 from a substantial sample of 3001, allowing for credible breakdowns by gender, age, region, education, income and home ownership in the pollster’s report.
“At the Scotland versus England friendly last week, God Save the King was booed by half the crowd – the Scottish half. In a way, this is surprising, because it is, of course, the national anthem of the UK, so they were technically booing their own song.”
How much of a sophist do you have to be to say something like that in the context of a Scotland v England sporting contest, where of course the Scots are booing the English side and no doubt vice versa, and try to make out it is a big deal.
Australia is not about to descend into civil war because the Blues and Maroons boo the shit out of each other at State of Origin.
https://theconversation.com/australias-116-new-coal-oil-and-gas-projects-equate-to-215-new-coal-power-stations-202135
Australia is setting up new coal and gas power projects equivlent to 215 new coal power stations
ItzaDream “All of which sounds to me like not being able to deal with the truth of the matter – if the referendum fails, it will be the fault of Dutton and his enablers, of hate and selfishness, and fear.”
Yes, though you can add the media to this. With a few honourable exceptions, they’ve been awful.
Instead of explaining the referendum to voters, they are brainlessly “bothsidesing” it, creating a dust storm through which light cannot penetrate. Worse, one side in particular is openly using them as useful idiots for this purpose.
That said, I agree with your wider point: I’ve found critiques of the Yes case every bit as incoherent as they suggest the YES case is: its too emotional/ its not emotional enough, bla bla, bla….
My 2c: if you think you have some great insight into the failings of the Yes campaign, ask yourself – what are you doing about it?
Re: Jancinta Price’s airfares.
How much has the travel has Malarndirri McCarthy or either of the NT MPs used as a comparison? Is this a case of her over using her air fare privileges or the airlines charging a bucket load to fly to Darwin at the pointy end of the plane?
As there are no direct flights from Canberra to Darwin, I assume she goes via Sydney so each trip is 2 flights (4 flights return), so that is 19 return trips.
This morning’s debate on PB has raised two intersecting questions in my mind.
1. If we are going to blame Dutton and Littleproud for the referendum result, can we be certain that Yes would have been successful with the backing of the Coalition leadership? (Eg, it seems unlikely that Coalition support for the referendum would have swayed the up to 1/3 of Labor voters intending to vote No.).
2. If it is true that the majority of Australians hold racist views towards Indigenous people, then how does that rest with the clear evidence (from the SSM mail in) that they are not homophobic and the pretty clear evidence (from unwavering bipartisan support for continuing high levels of non-Anglo migration) that they also aren’t xenophobic?
Personally, I’m more comfortable with blaming the government for running a bad process than with blaming the Australian people.
Socrates
“Senator and anti-“elites” No campaigner Jacinta Nampijinpa Price flew business class 76 times between May last year and June this year at a cost to taxpayers of $76,509.19”
Wait until Rex Douglas gets his teeth into this! Alongside his “Airbus Albo”, he will be pummelling “Jetstar Jacinta”.
Socrates says:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 11:58 am
‘From Jacinta Price’s website:
“Together we can take on Canberra’s woke elites and bring REAL solutions to tough problems.
Are you sick and tired of the ‘same old’ when it comes to the people that we send to Canberra to represent us? Have you had enough of the woke virtue-signalling elites telling us how to run our lives?
It’s time to put a rocket up ‘em and bring REAL solutions to tough problems. Australia needs a voice for common sense in our parliament.”
https://www.jacintaprice.com/backing-jacinta
The Spirit of Australia – the lying kangaroo.’
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What ‘real’ solutions?
What ‘tough’ problems?
As noted previously, Price is policy-light. She has had 18 months to bed down the Coalition’s Indigenous policies:
Stricter controls on placing Indigenous kids at risk.
Alcohol restrictions for Alice Springs.
No to Indigenous recognition in the Constitution.
No to a national Voice in the Constitution.
No to an additional referendum.
In terms of values, her public utterances are usually couched in divisive and aggressive language.
In terms of general philosophical stance:
Makes vaguely assimilationist noises.
Makes vague noises blaming the victim.
Has created a whole new level of culture wars white armband ‘history’.
meher baba @ #102 Wednesday, September 20th, 2023 – 12:05 pm
I’m happy to blame (some of) the Australian people.
‘B.S. Fairman says:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:03 pm
Re: Jancinta Price’s airfares.
How much has the travel has Malarndirri McCarthy or either of the NT MPs used as a comparison? Is this a case of her over using her air fare privileges or the airlines charging a bucket load to fly to Darwin at the pointy end of the plane?
As there are no direct flights from Canberra to Darwin, I assume she goes via Sydney so each trip is 2 flights (4 flights return), so that is 19 return trips.’
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I assume that, apart from the normal parliamentary travel to and from Canberra, she has been going to talk to No meetings around Australia.
meher baba
Personally, I’m more comfortable with blaming the government for running a bad process than with blaming the Australian people.
There is a third option that you curiously fail to mention: The mendacious, deceitful, and often downright nasty campaign waged by certain stakeholders on the No side.
Attacking Price for the amount of travel she does seems like a cheap shot to me. And one that is likely to rebound on those who made it.
These attacks on any political leaders are silly. One minute people are criticising them for travelling too much and the next for living in a cocoon.
However, if it were up to me, travel benefits for all ex-pollies would cease forthwith, with no grandfathering.
The corollary is that meher admires Dutton’s and Littleproud’s effectiveness.
means, ends: that discussion.
Despite the polls, I’ve always thought that the referendum will be carried. The focus of the media, particularly respected journalists, on the perceived dwindling level of support for the Yes vote belies what in my view is the evenness of the vote. They really can’t see the wood for the trees.
I’ve noted in previous posts the disconnect I believe exists in the published polls between the level of support for the Yes vote and the level of electoral support for the centre-left parties [ie the ALP and Greens] both of whom strongly support the Yes vote. That unexplained disconnect may be about 10% or more, depending on which poll you read.
It could be that the bleeding of centre-left support to the No vote has not congealed but may flow back to the Yes side once the campaign really takes off. Nevertheless, it raises in my mind the degree to which the referendum polling sample is representative of the overall population. That is to say, how scientific is the population sample for the referendum poll? Is the same scientific approach take to the referendum poll as a voting intention poll? Are they the same respondents? What is the level of uncommitted voters? [If it’s anything like the poll for preferred PM, it could be some 15 to 20%.] How representative are the sample sizes in the smaller states such as SA and TAS whose electors will determine the outcome? For me, there’s something not quite right about all this.
The way I see it, the referendum polls are like the preferred PM question: essentially meaningless because the level of uncommitted responses is quite high and unattributable.
To win back the apparent wavering support of centre-left voters to the Yes side, the Prime Minister has to take the gloves off. While it was worth a try to have a respectful debate and not indulge in blatant politics, that hasn’t worked. Mr Dutton has seen to that. It takes two to express respect and none has been forthcoming from Mr Dutton and the Opposition. It’s been toxic.
Not to put a too finer point on it, the PM has to go after Peter Dutton who is the weakest link on the No side of the campaign, who shamelessly attempted to verbal Linda Burney during Question time last week, and who supported a second referendum then withdrew it following pressure from the hard liners. There are enormous inconsistencies in what he says. So focus on him and best to ignore the NT CLP Senator who can enjoy the clear, clean running water and food available at her home in the Alice.
First up, Mr Albanese has to treat this referendum campaign like an election campaign by using the electorate’s dislike of Mr Dutton to galvanise centre-left support for the Yes vote and then attract support from the centre-right. The referendum polls [if they have any meaning at all], like the preferred PM stakes, suggest that there are many uncommitted or soft No respondents to be won over and back.
Almost every cross bencher in the House of Representatives is onside; so too Julian Leeser [Lib NSW], Andrew Gee [now the independent member for Calare NSW] and Brigid Archer [Bass TAS]. More than 90 members are well placed to take the Yes case to their electorates. Each of them has the opportunity to campaign vigorously “on the ground” by simply telling the truth and countering the mis- or disinformation of the No campaigners. So, go for it!
I think the Yes vote should poll strongly in NSW, especially in Sydney’s inner west and eastern suburbs, plus the Liberal heartland on the north shore [thanks to the Teals] and in large voter pockets in south-west Sydney[ eg around Campbelltown]. The conurbations of Newcastle and Wollongong should offer strong support.
The Yes vote should also be strong in VIC where the primary vote for the centre-left parties remains very high with most of it carrying over to the Yes side. These two populous states together with the ACT should underpin a majority Yes vote nationally.
I’ve always thought that TAS will vote Yes as its southern regions are strongly centre-left [think Andrew Wilkie in Hobart], with Brigid Archer campaigning in the northern city of Launceston and having the LIB State government onside.
That leaves one more state for a majority of them and I think it’ll be South Australia but I wouldn’t discount WA with campaigners like Kate Chaney working hard in the conservative areas of the State.
Just under a month to go.
I think blame can be apportioned to both sides re: the Voice.
Dutton going the low road is reprehensible but always entirely predictable because a political genius the man is not.
But if Albo didn’t recognise that was the way it would go as soon as Dutton failed to express enthusiastic support, then he’s been naive beyond belief.
I also wonder if some people are voting no (or saying they intend to vote no) because they feel the Albanese government has not met their expectations. When I ignore the bigots and racists on SM, this seems to be a theme to me. People will say stuff like “all I hear about is the Voice and AUKUS when before the election Albo said ‘no one left behind’.”
This isn’t your usual jealously that one group is getting all the attention while others are ignored. It’s far more nuanced than that. There’s a huge disconnect at the moment between people who are in a position to weather the current economic storm and those who aren’t.
Unfortunately, the government seems to be oblivious to this. Someone in the previous thread commented that they should be going hard on reform. Absolutely. I don’t think this is always the best strategy. Sometimes (especially labour governments) are best off taking it slow and steady, securing a second term and then going for it.
This is not one of those times.
Anyway, I hold out a slim hope that some people are telling pollsters they’re voting no to send a message to the government about issues that are entirely unrelated to the Voice and that they’ll actually vote according to their conscience once they get into the ballot box.
Damn someone linked to Price’s website now I need to go take a shower……
‘meher baba says:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:10 pm
Attacking Price for the amount of travel she does seems like a cheap shot to me…’
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Of course it would seem that to you. And fair enough, too.
The real question is whether Price was up in First Class with the woke elites after free snack breaks in the Chairman’s Lounge, or next to the toilets in cattle class.
It’s not sporting elites they hate, nor the only elites which actual power, those with great wealth who own and run big corporations. It’s just the intellectual and cultural elites, which seems to extend to anyone able to string together a coherent sentence who says stuff they don’t like and in spite of that gets reported in the mainstream media.
I’m not keen on attacking Ms Price’s travel. It seems not unreasonable given that she has to regularly commute from Alice to Canberra and that extensive travel is part of the job of a front bench MP. The Right will just hit back with “Tu quoque” counterexamples and enjoy the distraction.
Plus air travel is good for #2.5+.
Politicians certainly deserve *some* travel entitlements, especially when it comes to going back and fourth from Canberra and performing the duties of a frontbencher – and an MP based in a distant part of the country is naturally going to be taking a fair few flights – but unless they have a health issue or physical impairment that requires it, I really don’t see why they need to be travelling business class.
I would make all air travel entitlements economy-only, and if they want to upgrade, they can pay for it out of their own pocket.
I trust that all those in the catastrophic-rated fire zones have a readily reachable safe spot and best wishes to you all.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/09/20/essential-research-2pp-labor-49-coalition-45-open-thread/comment-page-3/#comment-4163166
[Australia is a vast country, some air travel is likely? And sometimes even overseas.]
Choppergate?
Golf clubs on the RAAF?
… at least it is not beyond first class, as in private jets, domestically which airlines do more than business, anyway? Though I think some pollyTICs do travel economy as a matter of principle.
Once the media is done with it, I’d guess the relevant committee of parliament gets to scrutinise expenses.
‘Asha says:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:25 pm
Politicians certainly deserve *some* travel entitlements, especially when it comes to going back and fourth from Canberra and performing the duties of a frontbencher – and an MP based in a distant part of the country is naturally going to be taking a fair few flights – but unless they have a health issue or physical impairment that requires it, I really don’t see why they need to be travelling business class.
I would make all air travel entitlements economy-only, and if they want to upgrade, they can pay for it out of their own pocket.’
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There are security considerations Wild cattle, that sort of thing.
Q: It seems not unreasonable given that she has to regularly commute from Alice to Canberra and that extensive travel is part of the job of a front bench MP.
Except as reported this morning she is spending something like 4 times the amount of the Senator she replaced. Not to mention her hypocritical attacks on ‘out of touch elites’…
There are people who rorte these allowances, lets not be naïve.
BW:
Is business class really any safer than economy? Typically there’s just a flimsy curtain dividing the unwashed masses from their betters.
Given the timing of the Azerbaijan attacks on Armenia intended to regain control of Nagorno-Karabakh (as per internationally agreed borders), there’s a reasonable argument that this highlights the weakness of Russia (an ally of Armenia) in removing armies from the Chinese border and central Caucuses to fight in Ukraine. The strategic impacts of this decision are coming home to roost quickly.
Boerwar @ #116 Wednesday, September 20th, 2023 – 12:25 pm
No need. I’m certain everyone heeded the advice and the entire south coast is now empty.
meher baba says:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:05 pm
This morning’s debate on PB has raised two intersecting questions in my mind.
“1. If we are going to blame Dutton and Littleproud for the referendum result, can we be certain that Yes would have been successful with the backing of the Coalition leadership? (Eg, it seems unlikely that Coalition support for the referendum would have swayed the up to 1/3 of Labor voters intending to vote No.).”
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You can’t be certain of anything until it happens. But you are assuming that the Labor voters who say they will vote no were baked in from the start, when the polls tell us that there has been a massive shift. So the premise seems patently wrong.
“2. If it is true that the majority of Australians hold racist views towards Indigenous people, then how does that rest with the clear evidence (from the SSM mail in) that they are not homophobic and the pretty clear evidence (from unwavering bipartisan support for continuing high levels of non-Anglo migration) that they also aren’t xenophobic?”
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This depends on how you define “racist”. There are many different interpretations ranging from “I’ve got more important things to worry about that something to do with indigenous people that I don’t understand” to “where’s my hooded white sheet with cut out eyes?”. I know there is a lot of emotional stuff thrown about here (including stuff I’ve tossed myself) but it seems to me that that the majority of people who will likely vote know “don’t know” or have been frightened by aggressive “no” advocates into fearing for their back yards, giving one group of people rights others don’t have (except all of the elites and a lot of other groups do have them in practice) or just are preoccupied with other stuff and want to take the safe option of the status quo.
Also, there are stark differences between the unnecessary marriage equality survey and the constitutionally required referendum to change the constitution to insert a voice for our indigenous people, some of whom are the only people in Australia who do not live on land that was stolen from them (typically because the colonialists and their successors could find no use for it at the time). Differences such as a simple majority, a mail-in, non-compulsory voting, an issue on which most voters actually had views. And, most importantly, a free vote on all sides of politics.
“Personally, I’m more comfortable with blaming the government for running a bad process than with blaming the Australian people.”
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I’m sure you are. But that misses the point that you should be blaming the viciously dishonest no campaign (NOT the voters, but the liars telling them lies) for what has happened rather than blame the Government for not achieving the impossible task of blunting those lies. It’s a bit like blaming the authorities for not stemming the spread of varoa mites or fire ants when those doing the blaming are running around the country setting up new infestations everywhere at record speed.
Oh, and the referendum and its campaign was run not by the government but by its proponents, the vast majority of indigenous leaders who signed the Uluru statement.
‘Asha says:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:31 pm
BW:
Is business class really any safer than economy? Typically there’s just a flimsy curtain dividing the unwashed masses from their betters.’
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Hard to say, statistically.
But imagine if Jacinta were stuck in a middle seat next to the toilets in backmost row between Bandt and Shoebridge where the seat backs can’t recline?
Of course most Indigenous Australians can’t afford to fly any class to Canberra or to anywhere else for that matter.
Elites they ain’t.
Torchbearer says:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:30 pm
Q: It seems not unreasonable given that she has to regularly commute from Alice to Canberra and that extensive travel is part of the job of a front bench MP.
Except as reported this morning she is spending something like 4 times the amount of the Senator she replaced. Not to mention her hypocritical attacks on ‘out of touch elites’…
There are people who rorte these allowances, lets not be naïve.
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The only issue for me is the hypocrisy of Price decrying the Canberra elites while sitting up the front of the plane with them.
As for the person she replaced, if I read the reports correctly that person spent a lot less time travelling to and from Canberra and a lot more time somewhere other than her home, claiming travel allowance. I have no time for Price at all, but except for the gross hypocrisy (which is an entry requirement for any Coalition front bencher) this is a distraction.
The fact is that there are people from all sides of politics who see their elected position as an opportunity to raid the honey jar at every opportunity.
So meher do you agree that most non aboriginal people who vote NO are not motivated by deep seated fear and racism?
If so please explain the basis on which a NO vote by a non aboriginal person is arguable.
BW:
They would put aside their differences and come up with a revolutionary new proposal for improving the lot of indigenous Australians. Or maybe just kill each other.
Dumb jokes aside, I honestly don’t see why that’s a problem. Sure, would be a few hours of awkward discomfort. But they are all grown adults. They can harden up and deal with it like the rest of us have to.
Arky @ #98 Wednesday, September 20th, 2023 – 11:58 am
Both nations have their own Anthems if required.
I think Jerusalem for England and Flowers of Scotand.
Generally there is no barrier between business and cattle classes on the narrow body jets used on the routes Price is mostly using. Just wider seats up the front.
Price is the Shadow minister of Indigenous Affairs, so some flights around the country are probably justified. Plus there has been 18 weeks of sittings and estimates between the election and July of this year.
I think the number of flights can be justified. Flying at the pointy end, less so. But it is really just a cheap shot. There is a lot to dislike about Price and her stances on issues, so playing the cheap shots is really not required.
Interesting “map of China” and related article from the Chennai Centre for China Studies –
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4438c1_ebf99e5ec2964a4da72872c9434ba479~mv2.jpeg/v1/fill/w_1110,h_785,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/4438c1_ebf99e5ec2964a4da72872c9434ba479~mv2.jpeg
The article –
https://www.c3sindia.org/post/the-new-map-of-borders-and-areas-around-china-by-mr-subramanyan-sridharan
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TPOFsays:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 10:36 am
Of course, on a political blog everything is seen through the prism of the political contest.
However, I will continue to repeat – at intervals – the fundamental point that this referendum, including what it specifically seeks (recognition and voice together) is at the behest of the vast majority of indigenous representatives, elders and leaders in Australia.
Anthony Albanese is keeping faith with them by bringing on the referendum as promised. He did not promise to deliver the Voice – because that is a promise that he is not able to deliver – only the voters of Australia can deliver that. But he promised to give them that opportunity and he has kept that promise.
The fact is that Dutton’s and Littleproud’s Coalition have made this about politics – by not contributing anything at all constructive to the development of the proposal and, once it had been finalised, by employing a web of lies, disinformation, misdirection and any slimy, dishonest political trick available to undermine the proposal.
Against this scorched earth policy, Anthony Albanese has two options. Either keep his promise and progress the referendum to likely failure or else break his promise, slink away and leave the proposal to rot until such time, if ever, a Coalition government puts it forward knowing that Labor will not have the moral and ethical vacuum to employ the same tactics for cheap political gain.
Albanese and Labor are taking the morally correct and, coincidentally, politically best option (if only because breaking the promise would be terrible politics per se). Keeping their promise to the indigenous leaders of Australia. Which, in itself, is a rare experience for them.
The rest is cheap and nasty politics.
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+1
And everything everyone else is trying to interpret what is going is noise.
Do you think Price joined the LNP out of the goodness of her heart? It’s all about the “I’m one of the good ones” mining corporation cash with her and her family. Take it where you can get it, live the good life and blame everyone else for their lack of bootstraps.
Boerwar @ #111 Wednesday, September 20th, 2023 – 12:14 pm
The reporting said it was 76 flights in business class for $76k and change. Which honestly is a complete nothingburger ($1k for a business-class fare is normal/not excessive).
Or would be, aside from the hypocrisy in complaining about elites while constantly flying business class. If Price hates elites so much, she should stop flying around like one.
B.S.Fairman
“ Re: Jancinta Price’s airfares.
How much has the travel has Malarndirri McCarthy or either of the NT MPs used as a comparison? Is this a case of her over using her air fare privileges or the airlines charging a bucket load to fly to Darwin at the pointy end of the plane?”
By comparison, the airfares bill for her predecessor over a similar period was about 1/4 Jacinta’s total.
meher babasays:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:05 pm
This morning’s debate on PB has raised two intersecting questions in my mind.
1. If we are going to blame Dutton and Littleproud for the referendum result, can we be certain that Yes would have been successful with the backing of the Coalition leadership? (Eg, it seems unlikely that Coalition support for the referendum would have swayed the up to 1/3 of Labor voters intending to vote No.).
2. If it is true that the majority of Australians hold racist views towards Indigenous people, then how does that rest with the clear evidence (from the SSM mail in) that they are not homophobic and the pretty clear evidence (from unwavering bipartisan support for continuing high levels of non-Anglo migration) that they also aren’t xenophobic?
Personally, I’m more comfortable with blaming the government for running a bad process than with blaming the Australian people.
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This. Done and dusted.
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Al Palsays:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 10:06 am
I enjoy reading posts on this site. I consider myself as an uncommitted voter come federal election time. I worked for Malcolm Fraser in Opposition and Government. I worked for Andrew Peacock in various capacities and worked for Jeff Kennett. My favourite PM was Paul Keating. I voted for him. My least favourite PM was John Howard. I never voted for him. I had great admiration for Julia. I had no admiration for Morrison. I was greatly disappointed in Turnbull. Good ideas, but no political smarts.
I am now retired without any involvement in the game – none. I was once a regular contributor to this site. Also came here to read Bushfire Bill.
Personal reasons for not posting on this site the last couple of years.
It remains the best of its kind.
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Al Pal
If you think Keating is the best PM, Howard is the least favourite PM and never voted for him, no admiration for Morrison and know that Fraser resigned from Liberty of Howard and disappointed in Turnbull
Then surely you should have no problem voting for Yes in Voice referendum. Please do that.
Maybe I might have interacted with you but never in frustration or anger. I am not still not angry.
I truly believe that if Voice referendum fails it will be our Brexit moment and There will be no going back for this country.
Tangentially psephology related?!
How do I explain to someone that if a proposal to build thousands of houses somewhere receives 20 responses, all of which are negative , that doesn’t necessarily mean the proposal is opposed by a community of 500,000 people, and that you might be better off being informed by something like robopolling, because 20 nimbys shouldn’t be taken seriously and most people that support housing development aren’t writing in to every process to endorse it? Ideally something reputable I can cite.
Many thanks to anyone who does my homework for me.
How laughable, the same people who believed questions about Albo’s son being in Chairman’s Lounge was a horrible invasion of privacy now obsessing about an NT based Senator’s travel and whether its deserving or not.
The yes campaign has no one to blame but itself having failed to run a clear campaign message about the voice.
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TPOFsays:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:58 am
Ven says:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:21 am
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C@tmommasays:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 6:43 am
Al Pal,
The Voice referendum proposal is not about race, it’s about Indigeneity, ya bigot looking for an excuse for your ‘No’ vote.
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C@tmomma
Al Pal was ALP supporter and voter till Voice referendum date is announced.
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Ven
Al Pal always encompassed the vilest characteristics of a Liberal supporter.
I think you are confusing him with Alpo, a dyed in the wool ALP supporter.
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No, I am not confusing.
For the record I never defended Albo’s son being in the Chairman’s Lounge. I thought that was a mistake too.
The No campaign didn’t have a message either ,which will bite the lib/nats and propaganda media units politically once again
The lib/nats have admitted they do not have policies while in opposition , so the No campaign of
If you do not know the details do not vote for it ,which will apply to the Lib/nats in the 2025 federal election campaign
Lib/nats and propaganda media units have gave Labor a political gift
Scottsays:
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 1:50 pm
The No campaign didn’t have a message either ,which will bite the lib/nats and propaganda media units politically once again
The lib/nats have admitted they do not have policies while in opposition , so the No campaign of
If you do not know the details do not vote for it ,which will apply to the Lib/nats in the 2025 federal election campaign
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The no campaign might be nonsense but it has outcampaigned the yes campaign.
Mexicanbeemer @ #140 Wednesday, September 20th, 2023 – 1:44 pm
I tend to disagree. Virtually every Yes ad I’ve seen has followed the same structure; it’s an indigenous person (not a celebrity, not a career politician, not a member of the Federal opposition; just a normal person) briefly talking about why they support the Voice.
It’s clear, focused, and a reasonable strategy. The message fails to get out because these are paid ads going against the free megaphone the media has given the No case. They just can’t compete in terms of loudness and airtime.
If I was going to criticise Labor on a policy matter, this is the one I’d pick.
NSW is scrapping EV incentives without any Federal emissions scheme yet in place
https://thedriven.io/2023/09/16/nsw-scraps-ev-rebates-and-stamp-duty-exemptions-to-impose-road-tax-from-2027/