The Australian reports the latest Newspoll has Labor maintaining its 55-45 two-party lead from the post-budget poll three weeks ago, from primary votes of Labor 38% (steady), Coalition 34% (steady), Greens 12% (up one), One Nation 6% (down one). The reports says Anthony Albanese is down two on approval to 55% while Peter Dutton is steady on 36%, with disapproval ratings not yet provided (UPDATE: down one to 37% for Albanese, down one to 50% for Dutton). Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister shifts from 56-29 to 55-28.
The poll provides further evidence for a deterioration in support for the Indigenous voice, with 46% in favour and 43% opposed, in response to a question based on that to be put at the referendum. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1549.
Dandy Murray @ #1300 Thursday, June 8th, 2023 – 1:22 pm
But it’s fine for every with preexisting debt. Makes it all that much easier to repay. Just don’t take out any new debt at the end of the cycle. 🙂
Hi Ven
That’s good and bad news re blockage,
So you have gone thru the procedure to check arteries which is shitty it’s self
If you had of had a 70% blockage they would’ve stented it so then there would be zero % blockage all good.
But now it’s still 60% and now you know about, take care with any symptoms over next few years as it most likely block in the next year or 2 .
That 10% won’t take much .
Speaking from experience after having 18 stents and then a triple bypass 2 years ago.
The right wing cartel is fcking over lower-middle Australians.
Rex: “bleep bloop”
Need to feed in some new talking points to the algorithm.
EA: “it is only towards Ukraine that there is blowback to the effect that ‘this is a blog for Australian politics’.”
Not actually true EA. I think it’s just you’re specifically invested in that subject. Don’t get me wrong, the dam thing is a big thing, and was worthy of discussion. But that intensity all of the time is what puts people off. There are many subjects that I specifically don’t talk about because this blog is not the place for them, and there’s no argument from me about it.
All things in moderation is fine.
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Shellbellsays:
Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:41 pm
Ven
Good to hear. Take it easy, mate.
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Thanks Shellbell. I will.
Socrates says:
Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:23 pm
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I mention that because I doubt Watermelon’s return to pollbludger at this time is a coincidence.
I have no doubt. The real question is why has he stayed? What other atrocities does Russia have planned?
Re Ukraine: if I want news and discussion about the Ukraine war, I generally go to actually-informed overseas sources, rather than watching a bunch of Australian politics followers go to town about something they’re about as informed on as any other rando on earth. I don’t disagree with most of it, it’s just completely uninformative.
I also don’t go to read specialists on eastern European and Russian military and geopolitical issues for their takes on Australian domestic political issues of the day either.
Sometimes overseas stuff has implications for our domestic politics – for example, the impact of Trump and DeSantis’ ideas crossing the pond. Ukraine, as horrendous (and important) as it is, is a bit further removed from anything anyone here knows about that isn’t fifth-hand info.
Ven
It was interesting to see how easily you were suckered in by Watermelon’s sctick.
“Some countries have made voting illegal. Do you want to go live in one of them?”
Mate you miss the point, I don’t think you are up for it personally.
Team Katich suggested a name for quotes on democracy and that was one of her quotes. That is simply the one I chose.
But the establishment and their tools, the media act as a mechanism to ensure progressive ideas don’t get on the ballot, so voters don’t get a choice and it makes her quote true. Even more true in her home.
Pollies of great vision, Obama sold a vision of hope he just didn’t deliver, can defeat them, but more fall.
And they tend to fall to the chicken shit centrists who are very right but with fantasises of being centrists or even centre left. The kind of nothing person who has no vison and indeed doesn’t even comprehend their power.
The kind of person who looks at an electorate given a choice between far right economic policy, far right climate inaction, far right everything really and the even more far right LNP that was corrupt and incompetent as well, and says ha people don’t want policy that will actually help them.
Email from AGL, increasing rates from July 1.
These are the increases, including GST.
General Usage 35% to 27.555 c/kWh
Supply charge 7% to 137.72 c/day
Demand Price 23% to 15.235 c/KW/day
That’s probably going to attract political attention.
55-45 looks ‘so much winning’ from where I am standing, but I admit, it could be 99-1. Now that would be SO MUCH WINNING! 😉
The cost of the Reserve Bank’s profit denialism will be counted in lives
The RBA insists there’s no link between rising profits and inflation. Why do other central banks and the OECD disagree?
https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/06/08/reserve-bank-rba-inflation-interest-rates/
Mostly Interested
You calculations are right but you interpretation is wrong. The person holding the debt is the lender ( interest has been below inflation so in real terms the value of the debt held has fallen). The person holding the asset has an asset that has appreciated.
All the other stuff ( income, wage growth) Is irrelevant candy.
If asset values keep up with inflation then you are better off buying assets than lending out below inflation. The thing is the length below inflation takes no risk on asst values, the borrowed does, but then the borrower gets a place to live.
Rebecca @ #1307 Thursday, June 8th, 2023 – 1:37 pm
Wait, what? Specialists on eastern European and Russian military and geopolitical issues are talking about Australian domestic political issues? Well I’ve just GOTTA tell them about a stadium.
:-J
I was there in ’89 as an impressionable teenager. I remember blue-eyed blondes and being driven down the footpath in a mini at speed through the heart of BA. Oh, and the massive posters of Carlos Menem and his ridiculous mutton chops.
The Greens aren’t Progressive? Because their ideas get on the ballot and only 10% of voters vote for them.
Looks like it’s actually WWP who isn’t up to it. His ‘logic’, such as it is, has fallen apart under the lightest scrutiny.
WeWantPaul @ #1309 Thursday, June 8th, 2023 – 1:39 pm
Maybe. But also, Obama would absolutely destroy Trump in a head-to-head matchup.
Michelle probably would too, subject to how strong the prevailing misogyny is.
frednk @ #1313 Thursday, June 8th, 2023 – 1:48 pm
yesh, I only just scrapped a pass in year 1 economics. Thanks for the clarification.
“Clearly, Rebecca has mistaken this blog for one that discusses politics.”
Clearly, Rebecca has mistaken that this blog discusses some politics and its implications for Labor that herself, Adam Bandt, Victoria Fielding and Ben Fordham feel, should be responded to, somewhere, so that they can be justified in an opinion that needs to be had because being in government is so brief, that any delay will be the catalyst for a return of a conservative government in Australia, according to Player One.
And of course, if I choose to disagree, then it follows I’m an apologist for Albanese and Labor and its non confrontational, non response for the non highlighting of the future employment of Philip Lowe and the future of the RBA.
Player One, you have been infected by “I’m So Significant” pandemic that has severely caused an outrage whenever your opinions are ignored.
Rebecca, Adam Bandt, Victoria Fielding, Ben Fordham have also been infected.
I wish all of you well.
The Stage 3 tax cuts will keep inflation and therefore interest rates high. The government has a clear responsibility to stopping the tax cuts happen. I guess it will depend if their economic responsibility for the nation means more than political advantage in keeping promises:
Inflation is estimated to still be above the RBA target range when the Stage 3 tax cuts come into effect in July 2024. They will do little more than add to aggregate demand and inflation. Because the RBA is focused on reducing inflation it will keep interest rates higher for longer.
https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/16-reasons-why-the-stage-3-tax-cuts-should-be-scrapped/
Pi
All things in moderation is fine.
Everything in moderation. Including moderation.
Oscar Wilde. Or at least attributed to him.
Pi @ Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:33 pm:
“EA: “it is only towards Ukraine that there is blowback to the effect that ‘this is a blog for Australian politics’.”
Not actually true EA. I think it’s just you’re specifically invested in that subject. Don’t get me wrong, the dam thing is a big thing, and was worthy of discussion. But that intensity all of the time is what puts people off. There are many subjects that I specifically don’t talk about because this blog is not the place for them, and there’s no argument from me about it.
All things in moderation is fine.”
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Pi, thank you, sometimes it is hard not to see every arrow flying around anywhere as all coming right your way.
I do agree with your point about being in tenth gear 24/7 about every comment made anywhere about the war. I was actually trying to throttle back over the recent past just before this dam blew up. Timing, eh?
All 20 of Trump’s Secret Service detail have also been interviewed by the Grand Jury. I wonder how many of them are willing to go to jail for Perjury to protect him? 1 or 2?
Taylormade says:
Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:36 pm
Herald Sun 08/06
The texts reveal Mr Sharaz’s fury towards former prime minister Scott Morrison, at one point admitting “I still hate the c…”.
Ms Higgins says: “He’s about to be f..ked over. Just wait. We’ve got him”.
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What a pair.
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LOL Taylormade
It’s not unique to Russia though is it. The US has been committing naked aggression all over the world for decades on the same principle. (I should add, with Australia’s frequent participation)
Fuck Credlin.
Get in the bin.
Her hagiography is completely at odds with her Hero’s own sworn testimony: when asked in cross examination whether – if the things he was alleged of were true, that would make him a war criminal and a murder he agreed. He knew – and never shied away from the fact – that his actions, if proven could NEVER be excluded as ‘excesses’ even partly justified by the heat of battle and the fog of war.
Credlin is outside polite society. A criminal apologist.
From The Chaser –
“Let those who haven’t kicked a handcuffed man off a cliff cast the first stone” by Peta Credlin.
Rebecca @ Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:37 pm:
“Sometimes overseas stuff has implications for our domestic politics – for example, the impact of Trump and DeSantis’ ideas crossing the pond…”
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Rebecca, good to engage with you on this. Perhaps consider two other angles to the point you’re making here:
1. Maybe Putin’s neo-imperialist, white nationalist, ‘woke’-phobic ideas are also taking root here, as they have been across Europe for two decades now? Recall the Sydney Town Hall Russian choir scandal of a couple of months ago, or the Russian flag and Z-wearing spectators at the Australian Open this year.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/sydney-russian-orthodox-choir-z-shirt-men-war-ukraine-putin/102290226
2. The very Trumpism you cite as domestically relevant here is, arguably, a consequence of Russian disinformation-seeding in the US, using Trump himself as its chief standard-bearer. Any analysis of Trumpism which ignores Putinism is bound to be inadequate, I would argue. So, if you assert Trumpism is a domestically relevant overseas topic, I argue that this means Putinism is as well. And where is both Putinism and the resistance against Putinism displaying itself most clearly right now?
The lib/nats and their propaganda media units are kicking own goals once again
How politically dumb is Peter Dutton wanting labor to answer questions about Exliberal party staffers Brittany Higgins when Dutton a member of the government who tried to keep the Higgins scandal quiet
Labor/Albanese must really be laughing at Lib/nats and thier propaganda media units , bringing up scandal which showed and told the voting public how horrid the lib/nats treat their female political staffers
Why would the Lib/nats and Newsltd hacks thought this was a good politic idea, is beyond help
Watermelon @ Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 2:08 pm:
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Ukraine has never committed those imperialist atrocities you think are (a) monstrosities when committed by the US, but (b) OK when committed by Russia. (You are still not making yourself clear whether you think those imperialist acts are OK or not. Oh wait, yes you did. You thought they were, as long as done by a nuclear power against a non-nuclear one.)
Ukraine has never lifted a finger against Iraq. Or Vietnam. So, how exactly does pointing out an atrocity committed by the US against Vietnam in any way justify Russia committing atrocities against Ukraine?
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Mrmoneysays:
Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:30 pm
Hi Ven
That’s good and bad news re blockage,
So you have gone thru the procedure to check arteries which is shitty it’s self
If you had of had a 70% blockage they would’ve stented it so then there would be zero % blockage all good.
But now it’s still 60% and now you know about, take care with any symptoms over next few years as it most likely block in the next year or 2 .
That 10% won’t take much .
Speaking from experience after having 18 stents and then a triple bypass 2 years ago.
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Mrmoney
Thanks for your advice. WTH. 18 stents and triple bypass. That is out there. Take care of yourself man.
Is it possible that politicians will develop a new attack line other than ‘there are questions to be answered here’.
I may not like Chris Christie’s politics in general but he just made a very perceptive comment about the nature of the Russian-Chinese No Limits partnership. He made the astute observation that, by buying so much of Russia’s oil and gas, it is funding the war in Ukraine by proxy.
Which makes total sense when you think about it, because, if Russia wins, China knows it can win against the West too in it’s own mooted war of aggression and conquest.
I’m not trying to ‘justify’ anything, and I don’t think anything that is happening is ‘OK’. I’m just saying that what Russia is doing is basically following the example set by the US. Which makes it particularly perverse to be advocating that the US now escalate this conflict to the nuclear brink. A conflict that owes its origin to a US-backed coup d’etat in 2014.
Ven,
Sorry to hear about your health problems. Take care and maybe try some gentle exercise like a walk every day? I have no idea whether it will actually help but it can’t hurt. 🙂
It’s not unique to Russia though is it.
Whataboutism from Watermelon.
Putin orders his military to invade Ukraine for no justifiable reason, and commits atrocities and war crimes against the Ukrainian people. But the United States once invaded Iraq, and that was bad too. And Germany once invaded the USSR, and that was bad too. So why is everyone picking on Russia?
Keep it all together, Ven. All the best.
“Whataboutism”: the hypocrite’s favorite brush-off
“ I may not like Chris Christie’s politics in general but he just made a very perceptive comment about the nature of the Russian-Chinese No Limits partnership. He made the astute observation that, by buying so much of Russia’s oil and gas, it is funding the war in Ukraine by proxy.
Which makes total sense when you think about it, because, if Russia wins, China knows it can win against the West too in its own mooted war of aggression and conquest.”
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Trust you to buy into a shit argument just because it feeds and reinforces your chicomm paranoia.
China doesn’t want Russia to win: it just wants the war to continue forever.
Why?
Because with a rampant Putin ‘still on the board’ there is enough resultant geopolitical uncertainty to ensure that America has to keep half its military firmly ensconced in the western hemisphere. This matters, because while on paper America still easily accounts for the Chinese in military superiority, the equation is changed dramatically if half of America’s chess pieces are stuck in the North Atlantic and Western Europe.
If the war ended, on favourable terms to Putin, then after much harrumphing by America and NATO that outcome may well be accepted, leaving America free to send most of its western hemisphere power into the Asia Pacific: Beijing obviously doesn’t want that. If the war ended with a dramatic Russian defeat – especially if Putin lost power as a consequence, then that would also free up the Americans to pivot further into the Asia-Pacific. Again, Beijing doesn’t want that either.
War without end in Ukraine suits Beijing perfectly.
Edited to add: if ‘the west’ were serious about defending Taiwan from ChiComm invasion, it would be funding mass missile defence systems – for both land based assets and Taiwan’s merchantile marine fleet. The simple truth is that such maters are still firmly in ‘the ideas phase’ of (non) planning. Moreover, Taiwan has consistently underspent on defence for the last three decades. So there is that as well.
I mention THIS, because IMO with a proper air-defence system in place in my view Taiwan would be impenetrable to the PLA-N. I also think everybody who is a serious thinker, and not a Jinggo or propaganda merchant on both sides of the fence know this as well.
“War without end in Ukraine suits Beijing perfectly.”
Yeah 100%. A diminished Russia, Europe and the US engaged more and more and for longer in Ukraine.
It is perfect for China.
They’d probably enjoy India pouring military hardware into Ukraine as well but you can’t have everything.
Pi @ #1304 Thursday, June 8th, 2023 – 1:33 pm
Why? The ones he uses are pretty devastating. And, I’m sure there will be more to come.
goll @ #1319 Thursday, June 8th, 2023 – 1:52 pm
Oh, you so clearly don’t. You wish we would all just fuck off and die.
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frednksays:
Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:37 pm
Ven
It was interesting to see how easily you were suckered in by Watermelon’s sctick.
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frednk
fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
I swear PBers suffer sugar crashes at about 2:30pm every day. There’s a daily rhythm I’m starting to see that the morning shift clock off at about that time, and the evening shift clocks on. It’s quite marked.
MI,
Yeah it’s the school day effect.
I know my brain I goes offline at around 3pm, as it was trained to do for 12 years. It’s proven to be a hard habit to break!
Taylormade says:
‘The texts reveal Mr Sharaz’s fury towards former prime minister Scott Morrison, at one point admitting “I still hate the c…”.’
And so say all of us …
The latest need to spread propaganda are the lib/nats and their propaganda media units showing signs of getting worried about the by-election in the safe LNP seat of Fadden , surely Duttons reputation couldn’t lose the seat in QLD
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Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 2:54 pm
“ I may not like Chris Christie’s politics in general but he just made a very perceptive comment about the nature of the Russian-Chinese No Limits partnership. He made the astute observation that, by buying so much of Russia’s oil and gas, it is funding the war in Ukraine by proxy.
Which makes total sense when you think about it, because, if Russia wins, China knows it can win against the West too in its own mooted war of aggression and conquest.”
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Trust you to buy into a shit argument just because it feeds and reinforces your chicomm paranoia.
China doesn’t want Russia to win: it just wants the war to continue forever.
Why?
Because with a rampant Putin ‘still on the board’ there is enough resultant geopolitical uncertainty to ensure that America has to keep half its military firmly ensconced in the western hemisphere. This matters, because while on paper America still easily accounts for the Chinese in military superiority, the equation is changed dramatically if half of America’s chess pieces are stuck in the North Atlantic and Western Europe.
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A-E
Couple of days ago Peter Hartcher wrote an article in SMH (which BK linked in Dawn patrol), according to which Democracies main objective is to defeat Putin and restrain Xi.
Watermelon
I’m just saying that what Russia is doing is basically following the example set by the US.
That is just horseshit. Putin is following the examples set by his predecessors – the Soviet Premiers (including Lenin and Stalin), and the Russian Tsars before them. It is quite clear that Putin considers Ukraine to be part of Russia.
When Biden invades Canada, and bombs the bejesus out of Montreal, get back to me.