Budget polling: Essential Research and Resolve Strategic (open thread)

Resolve Strategic offers better budget response numbers than Essential or Newspoll, with no sign of any impact one way or the other on voting intention.

Essential Research and Resolve Strategic offer further numbers on budget polling, both tending to support Newspoll’s impression of a lukewarm response to the budget, and one — or possibly two, with Resolve Strategic to be confirmed — also supporting its finding of no discernible impact on voting intention.

What we have so far from Essential Research is a report in The Guardian relating that its 2PP+ measure of voting intention has Labor steady on 53% and the Coalition up one to 42%, with the remainder undecided; Anthony Albanese up three on approval to 54% and down two on disapproval to 35%; and Peter Dutton steady on approval at 36% and up one on disapproval to 45%. For primary votes will have to wait for the pollster’s publication of its full results later today.

The poll found 24% expecting the government would be good for them personally, which presumably had a corresponding result for bad that will also have to wait for the full report. Only limited numbers felt it would create jobs (33%), reduce debt (29%), reduce cost-of-living pressures (26%), whereas 46% felt it would “create long-term problems that will need to be fixed in the future”. Respondents were most likely to rate that the budget would be good for people receiving government payments and least likely to younger Australians and “average working people”.

There was also a forced response questions on the Indigenous Voice and a republic, the former finding the margin from yes in to 59-41 from 60-40 a month ago, with small state sub-samples finding recording big leads in New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia, but an even balance in Queensland and Western Australia. The republic question, which apparently left the devil undetailed, broke 54-46 in favour. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1080.

The Resolve Strategic poll in the Age/Herald, which will presumably follow up with voting intention results fairly short, seemingly produced the most favourable results for the budget, with 31% saying it would be good for them and their household compared with 26% for bad; 44% good for the country with 17% for bad; 36% good for the health of the economy with 15% for bad; and 39% good for “rebuilding a healthy budget” with 17% for bad. Similarly to Essential Research, it found respondents were most likely to see the budget as good for the less fortunate and disadvantaged, with 56% for good and 14% for poor, but it substantially more positive results for both older people (48% good and 17% bad) and younger people (39% and 17%).

Respondents were asked about twelve specific items in the budget, finding majority support for all but two: limiting growth in NDIS spending to 8% a year, which still recorded a net positive result with 37% in favour and 17% opposed, and facilities for the Brisbane Olympics and Tasmanian AFL, which were supported by 27% and opposed by 37%. The most popular measure was the spending on Medicare to encourage bulk billing, at 81% in favour and 5% opposed, with funding for a wage increase for aged care workers, energy bill relief and doubling of medicine prescription periods recording between 73% and 75% support. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1610.

UPDATE (Essential Research): Essential Research voting intention numbers are here and the full report here. The former’s primary votes are very strong for Labor, suggesting the static 2PP+ numbers relied on a change in respondent-allocated preferences: Labor are up two 35%, the Coalition are down one to 31%, the Greens are steady on 14%, One Nation are steady on 5% and the United Australia Party is down one to 1%. Further, the report allows comparison of the budget response with five budgets going back to 2020, which makes the numbers look better than at first blush. Twenty-four per cent for “good for you personally” is about par for the course; the 41% and 37% for “good for people on lower incomes” and “good for older Australians” are comfortably the strongest results out of five budgets going back to 2020; 46% for “place unnecessary burdens on future generations” is the best result of the five.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Giving up mud crabs and prawns would be a bridge too far for me Upnorth.
    Not that I have or had gout.
    Edit: I’m sure it was turf toe.

  2. Asha wrote, “is that you, Nigel Powers?”

    Maybe. But seriously, all the Dutchies I have meet have been exceedingly arrogant and nationalistic. Why I have no idea. what are they noted for? Dykes, tulips and surrendering to the Nazis in two weeks..

  3. Cronus @ #740 Wednesday, May 17th, 2023 – 7:01 pm

    “ The Victorian government’s expert panel on emission reductions has recommended natural gas “be largely phased out” and the sale of “emitting road vehicles” also end by 2035.”

    https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/ban-petrol-car-sales-phase-out-gas-by-2035-andrews-expert-panel-20230517-p5d93t

    Won’t have an issue with household gas appliances disappearing sooner than that.

  4. The US debt ceiling practically doesn’t exist. Biden could dig in and, if it becomes necessary, can invoke the relevant part of the 14th Amendment.
    The reason for his preparedness to indulge in meaningless negotiations with the Republicans is the fact that he is, economically at least, a defacto Republican and always has been. He will negotiate away spending programs because that’s the outcome he prefers. Sad but true. He’s old, weak and happy to work against the majority wishes of the American people and the majority of Democratic lawmakers are in lockstep with him. Gutless.

  5. About 2500 construction companies went into administration in last 2 years.

    But Bandt wants Australian government to build 1 million houses by end of the decade. This is really Cookers territory.

  6. clem attlee:

    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:15 pm

    Really, you do carry on. The Dutch had canals; the Brits had a moat & the RAF.

  7. Henry says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:15 pm
    Giving up mud crabs and prawns would be a bridge too far for me Upnorth.
    Not that I have or had gout.
    Edit: I’m sure it was turf toe.
    中华人民共和国
    I concur! Apparently anything red colored can trigger an attack. Cherries, tomatoes, red apples and the like.

    Your namesake Henry VIII apparently suffered from Gout terribly. Maybe a few heads were chopped off in crankiness.

  8. What is the US debt ceiling? How does it affect the economy? Could Australia be impacted?

    https://amp-abc-net-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/102346434?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16843157204119&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2023-05-17%2Fwhat-is-the-us-debt-ceiling-and-what-does-it-mean-for-australia%2F102346434

    Could it affect Australia?
    Australia “absolutely would” feel the effects of the US being unable to meet its obligations and defaulting on its payments, Mr Picton said.

    He said the flow-on effects would be because of how interconnected the global financial market is with the US.

    “If there’s a US default, it affects everybody, because the United States or US bonds are really the cornerstone of global financial markets, and the US dollar is the world’s reserve currency,” he said.

    “So, if there’s a default in the United States, that affects the entire world.”

  9. Joe Biden isn’t cognitively fit to be president now let alone five years from now. It is irresponsible of him to run for a second term. Let’s hope he still has the mental acuity to recognize that fact and to reverse his misguided decision. The enablers who surround him aren’t going to be the ones who do the right thing by him and the American people.

  10. Mavis wrote, “the Dutch had canals; the Brits had a moat & the RAF.”

    You missed one. The Dutch also had lots of collaborators.

  11. A Danish renewable energy giant has unveiled a bold $30bn plan to make South Australia’s Eyre Peninsula a global wind, solar and green hydrogen powerhouse.

    It is part of a $100bn pipeline of Australian renewables projects being led by fund manager Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners (CIP), which is looking to capitalise on the federal government’s commitment to net zero by 2050 and its $2bn pledge to support several flagship green hydrogen projects. The Eyre Peninsula development, dubbed ‘Evergreen’, would include about 4GW of solar generation capacity, 10GW of wind and 7GW of electrolysis.

    That’s more than double South Australia’s current network-wide generation capacity of about 6.6GW, and equates to about 1600 wind turbines, which would be erected on land somewhere between Iron Knob and Ceduna. CIP vice president Matthew Stuchbery said the company had spent the past 12 to 18 months engaging with pastoral lease holders on government-owned Crown land in the region, as well as traditional owners the Gawler Ranges and Barngarla Aboriginal corporations. He said the region had some of the best wind and solar resources in the world, and the huge scale of the proposal would enable the company to produce hydrogen at a globally competitive price.

    https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/danish-firm-copenhagen-infrastructure-partners-unveils-30bn-green-energy-plan-in-sa/news-story/d61f5af2e40f313aa24e5386505c448c

  12. Although as far as I know Clem it was only vertical collaboration with the Dutch, it was the French who were renowned for horizontal collaboration (or at least inventing the term)


  13. Nicholas Hainessays:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:41 pm
    Joe Biden isn’t cognitively fit to be president now let alone five years from now. It is irresponsible of him to run for a second term. Let’s hope he still has the mental acuity to recognize that fact and to reverse his misguided decision. The enablers who surround him aren’t going to be the ones who do the right thing by him and the American people.

    You don’t get it do you? He is running for second term to stop Trump from becoming POTUS. I think this decision was taken after establishment Democrats thought there is no other Democrat to defeat Trump. It doesn’t matter whether that it is a correct assessment by them or not. Even Bernie Sanders endorsed him. Unless he really falters from now to end of Primary season, he will be the Democrat contender.

  14. Dr John
    There’s a line in the song -” back beach in the summer, Chalet for the snow” That was what I was referring to.

  15. “ Although as far as I know Clem it was only vertical collaboration with the Dutch”

    The Dutch were notoriously harsh on their women folk who consorted horizontally with the Nazi’s during the occupation at the end of the war: having their hair shaved off was only the start of the ill treatment.

    It wasn’t just the Dutch of course. Anni-Frid Lyngstad of Abba fame was born of a union between a german soldier and Norwegian mother and grew up in Sweden partly because of the discrimination she faced in her native land because of that.

  16. Bellweather
    The reason for his preparedness to indulge in meaningless negotiations with the Republicans is the fact that he is, economically at least, a defacto Republican and always has been. He will negotiate away spending programs because that’s the outcome he prefers. Sad but true. He’s old, weak and happy to work against the majority wishes of the American people and the majority of Democratic lawmakers are in lockstep with him. Gutless.

    I have not heard that one before. I do not believe a word of it – but at least it is original.

  17. If I were a female in continental Europe during WWII I’d have no problems with fraternising with the enemy. And if there were gays in those days, which I highly doubt, I’d do likewise.

  18. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen just dialled up the heat on debt-default worries in some of her most dire warnings yet. Speaking on Tuesday at the Independent Community Bankers of America Capital Summit, Yellen said a US default could “break” markets and leave millions of Americans jobless in what could lead to an economic slump as bad as the Great Recession, per CNBC.

    “A default would crack open the foundations upon which our financial system is built,” Yellen said.
    “It is very conceivable that we’d see a number of financial markets break – with worldwide panic triggering margin calls, runs and fire sales,” she added.

    US debt default fears have been heating up as a months-long political deadlock over the government’s borrowing limit continues. Lawmakers have been unable to break the impasse even though the Treasury is set to run out of money by June 1, according to some estimates, if the $31.4 trillion ceiling isn’t lifted by then.

    Yellen has made a number of warnings about the risk of a US default, repeatedly urging Congress to lift the ceiling to avoid potentially “catastrophic” fallout. “Our current best estimate underscores the urgency of this moment: it is essential that Congress act as soon as possible,” Yellen said at the summit. She added that a default would “generate an economic and financial catastrophe” and lead to “an unprecedented economic and financial storm” that would immediately cease the government’s Social Security payments to 66 million Americans.
    https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/janet-yellen-us-debt-default-break-markets-economic-storm-2023-5

  19. Shogun

    Well you’re not going to hear it from the likes of MSNBC or read about it in the Washington Post are you, but how else do you explain his rationale for entering into negotiations with the devil when it will forever lead the Republicans to hold the country hostage each time the debt limit comes up? It’s not that different to, say, telling Putin he can have the entirety of the occupied lands plus a few thousand km2 extra in a futile attempt to pacify him.

  20. For what it’s worth:

    17 May 2023

    [‘The Royal Commission into the Robodebt Scheme has updated a Do Not Publish order.

    DNP-0022 has been updated to include an additional exception on point (b) of page one.

    It can be found at https://robodebt.royalcommission.gov.au/system/files/2023-05/DNP–0022.pdf

    Meanwhile the Royal Commission into the Robodebt Scheme has updated its YouTube page with chapters for each hearing day.

    The chapters include a list of witnesses which makes it easier to skip to a specific witness’s evidence.

    The chapters can be accessed via the video description at https://youtube.com/@robodebtroyalcommission.’]

    Sine die.

  21. Andrew_Earlwood says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:56 pm

    “ Although as far as I know Clem it was only vertical collaboration with the Dutch”

    The Dutch were notoriously harsh on their women folk who consorted horizontally with the Nazi’s during the occupation at the end of the war: having their hair shaved off was only the start of the ill treatment.

    It wasn’t just the Dutch of course. Anni-Frid Lyngstad of Abba fame was born of a union between a german soldier and Norwegian mother and grew up in Sweden partly because of the discrimination she faced in her native land because of that.
    中华人共和国
    Mamma Mia

  22. Lars Von Trier says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:05 pm
    Ok bonus question Andy:

    who said “My heart is French but my ass is international”

    The Lars Team ™ in a moment of self reflection…

  23. sprocket_ says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:47 pm

    Lars Von Trier says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:05 pm
    Ok bonus question Andy:

    who said “My heart is French but my ass is international”

    The Lars Team ™ in a moment of self reflection…
    中华人民共和国
    Sprocket wins quote of the day – no ifs and no buts. You can bank that one.

  24. Dog’s brunch

    “ Why do I get the feeling this technology is more like holding in your farts?

    United States oil and gas giant Chevron has acknowledged its flagship carbon capture and storage project off Australia’s north-west coast is operating at just a third of its capacity as problems bedevil the facility.”

    Carbon capture has always been an excuse to allow coal and gas to keep operating as long as possible. Its proponents know it doesn’t work.

    My brother was chief engineer at a large coal power plant. I asked him once what he thought of carbon capture? His response “its a non-project”. They had lloked at it for their plant. CCS had insanely high capital and operating cost. Even if running perfectly, CCS consumed 1/3 of the power output of the plant to run the machinery.

  25. Asha says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:51 pm

    The Courier Mail’s very reasonable and dispassionate take on a cabinet reshuffle:
    中华人民共和国
    A Journal of fine repute known for its balance. The “Curious Snail” never disappoints.

  26. the former cumberlind mayor christou he is very popular on sky news basickly an other carbone former labor talked about running in granvill but pulled out maybi he is hopeing latham will give him the next one nation upper house vackintsey seing as mihaylouk got this one like carbone he like his pr ran in paramatter

  27. Nicholas Haines says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:41 pm
    Joe Biden isn’t cognitively fit to be president now let alone five years from now. It is irresponsible of him to run for a second term. Let’s hope he still has the mental acuity to recognize that fact and to reverse his misguided decision. The enablers who surround him aren’t going to be the ones who do the right thing by him and the American people.

    —————————————–
    Let me fix that for you;

    DONALD DRUMPF isn’t cognitively fit to be president now let alone five years from now. It is irresponsible of him to run for a second term. Let’s hope he still has the mental acuity to recognize that fact and to reverse his misguided decision. The enablers who surround him aren’t going to be the ones who do the right thing by him and the American people.

    -Bizarre how the Reactionary right are blind to reality. Drumpf is was and always will be a friggin’ moron. HE is the harbinger of the death of democracy.

  28. think di le will struggle to retain fowler if labor picks a local candadate they could pick it up hadley and 2gb were excited about labor loosing one seat only problim liberals lost a a lot of safe seats including higins to labor and benalong which did not get much coverige robertson tangney which was a suprise

  29. Carbone talked a big game but did not bother running in fairfield at state election so dont know he has registed this political party the fowler winn was only because hadley distroyed kenearleys reputation how ever that was more likely nathan rees with his unfortunate pupit claim forgetting he was installed buy the power brockers to

  30. Carbone talked a big game but did not bother running in fairfield at state election so dont know he has registed this political party the fowler winn was only because hadley distroyed kenearleys reputation how ever that was more likely nathan rees with his unfortunate pupit claim forgetting he was installed buy the power brockers to how many reshufils has the imbattled duton had three so far plus a future reshufil morison also had three duton will need to replace robbert who is shadow asistant treasurer morrison had several cabenit reshufils not to mention tasmania whos liberals have reshufils evry few months yet the liberals are strong in tasmania plus on to there third premier like nsw palaschzuk and andrews are stillp premiers after years

  31. I must admit that I find the commentary on Dutch history a bit surprising. Ignorance abounds.

    I do find especially amusing Clem’s apparent inability to find a single decent Dutch person. Not one. He does not seem to realize that they might just possibly be responding directly to Clem’s routine bombastic arrogance. I do know some Dutch Clems!

    There was a wide variety of responses to the occupation – of which collaboration was one. I suggest that no-one who has not lived in a conquered and occupied country can know what decisions they might make. I have given the matter a fair bit of thought. How would I have behaved? What decisions would I have made? I certainly don’t presume to assume. Hard questions when getting the answer wrong could get you and your family bashed, jailed or shot.

    Are we to treat Indigenous people who work with governments as collaborators? After all the British in Australia killed far more Indigenous people, shot more, starved more, dispossessed more Indigenous people than the germans did the Dutch. Are coconuts collaborators? Is Thorpe right, after all?

    I have always admired the moral and physical courage of people who resisted. At the same time I wonder whether the underground movements in occupied european countries made much of a difference to the timing of the end of the war. Perhaps by a day or so.

    One of my childhood memories is mum talking about the winter in which the germans used starvation as a management policy. Try talking you your mum about people around you starving or very, very hungry. Around 50,000 dutch people were deliberately starved to death in a single winter. Of course that is the tip of the iceberg. It might have been 40,000. It might have been 60,000.

    I was in Alkmaar the day after September Eleven. The Dutch Government had requested a time of silence in memoriam. Everything stopped. They all remembered with gratitude who had delivered them from evil.

    We had a letter at home from Mum’s boyfriend. She was never quite clear on that. A german officer had been killed by the Underground. The germans rounded up the first 20 people who passed the same spot. The message went out. Either the killers gave themselves up or the germans would shoot the 20 at dawn. And so it came to be. The letter was the letter he wrote on the evening before he was executed. I had an uncle in the Underground. He refused to talk about it and eventually blew his brains out. I had a genteel auntie who shat herself during a razzia in her village. She was seven months pregnant. Try hearing that story from an Auntie. I had another Auntie who was beating a cloth outside an upper floor window. Germans departing in a barge had a bit of fun taking pot shots at her. And so on and so forth.

    There are all sorts of war stories that simply relate to my family. While some are black humour, most are horrible. My mother hated germans with a venomous hatred all her life. She could not abide being near one. Her neighbours, father, mother and kids, in my mother’s home village were sent to the camps when they were discovered hiding a jew. Neither they nor the jew survived the war.

    The bombing of Rotterdam persuaded the Dutch that it was all over red rover. Just months after the invasion the Dutch Nazi party decided to have a big outdoor picnic. They cheered as three german bombers flew low overhead to help with the celebrations.

    The Dutch royal family distinguished themselves by doing a runner. The last instruction to the senior public servants was more or less sort yourselves out.

    The Dutch civil servants were efficient when it came to doing the paperwork for resettling jews in the East. One consequence was a very high percentage of Dutch jews died in the concentration camps. Others died because they hid jews and down airmen. I wonder how efficient Australian civil servants would have been? Again, I don’t presume to know how I would have behaved personally in the same situation.

    I have no problems at with critiques of Dutch behaviour and long term posters will have read my various swingeing critiques of Dutch behaviour in colonial times.

    As for the sneering about Dutch POWs of the Japanese, my father was one. He survived. He was 47kgs at the end. Possibly he did have a perceived failure to collaborate moment. He was bashed with a pick handle for his troubles. What did he do I asked. Nothing. It was random. His PTSD affected the family negatively.

    Oh, and I did meet a couple of years ago one of Nath’s and L’arses other dutch collaborators. She was a civilian woman. She was raped thousands of times over three years as a so-called ‘comfort woman’.

    The bad faith cynicism of Nath@Arsehole reflects on them. They are pale shadows of a Coalition which has no moral compass, and nothing much to offer but greed, cheating, lying, kicking down and lashing out,and sneering at others.

    I find it difficult to even imagine what it must be like to inhabit a mind like that. They would, of course, have thrived during the occupation.

  32. Upnorth – A Labor Partisan says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:35 pm
    Andrew_Earlwood says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:56 pm

    “ Although as far as I know Clem it was only vertical collaboration with the Dutch”

    Just got back tonight from a fabulous 2 weeks in Amsterdam.

    Possibly the most liveable & beautiful city in the world.
    Every museum we visited …. Every …. had extensive recognition of Dutch colonial repression & their extensive abuse of & part in world slave trade.. including treatment of their Jewish community…

    I look forward to the English doing the same.

    As for their town planning & building typology, I look forward to Sydney catching up… in 2 or 3 hundred years.

  33. BW
    I was in Amsterdam once on Liberation Day. I was impressed by the sense of dignified rememberance. I was having dinner in a restaurant and the waiter asked me to stand in silence (if I didn’t mind)

  34. Shogun
    “Approach a CUB (cashed up bogan) with caution, if you are a Labor or Greens supporter”.
    ———————————————————————-
    Ran into one today at the club today, otherwise sensible person, good chat about most things.

    They mentioned how the family happened to come into massive inheritance a few years ago.

    Good homes for them and all the kids, well done, all the best I said.

    The moment I brought up homelessness, rent assistance, the increase in welfare payments etc, this well-off person by accident exploded.

    Bludgers!! Should get a job!! $40 a fortnight too much!!

    Labor, blah, blah ,blah, etc, etc!

    You a Green I asked?

    No, I just hate Labor!

    Why I asked?

    Because I just hate Labor!

    Didn’t even bother trying to argue, can’t win an argument with a fencepost.

    This is what we are dealing with trying to get a fair country, the CUB’s (refresher.. cashed up bogans)!

  35. Sceptic says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:40 pm
    Upnorth – A Labor Partisan says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:35 pm
    Andrew_Earlwood says:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:56 pm

    “ Although as far as I know Clem it was only vertical collaboration with the Dutch”

    Just got back tonight from a fabulous 2 weeks in Amsterdam.

    Possibly the most liveable & beautiful city in the world.
    Every museum we visited …. Every …. had extensive recognition of Dutch colonial repression & their extensive abuse of & part in world slave trade.. including treatment of their Jewish community…

    I look forward to the English doing the same.

    As for their town planning & building typology, I look forward to Sydney catching up… in 2 or 3 hundred years.
    中华人民共和国
    Growing up one of my best mates’ dad was a Sugar Chemist at the Mill.

    As a child he and his family suffered “internment” by the Japanese after the fall of the Dutch East Indies.

    He would tell us stories of regular beatings by the Japanese on family members. Forced Labour and chronic lack of nutrition and medicines.

    However his most vivid memory was he and his friends being forced to clear the sewer drains during the Monsoon season.

    Go up to Kanchanaburi on the Kwai Noi, Hellfire Pass. Commonwealth War Graves. Know that Asian people (Indians, Burmese and Chinese) died in massive numbers and are uncounted as the Japanese pushed the rail line from Thailand to Burma.

    No matter Dutch, Australian, English, Chinese or Indian the treatment of not only POWs but non-combatants by the Japanese during the Second World War is not something to be scoffed at.

  36. And of course some people on here have ‘celebrated’ anniversaries of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. But their own personal tragedies are worthy of solemnity.

  37. “And of course some people on here have ‘celebrated’ anniversaries of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. But their own personal tragedies are worthy of solemnity.”

    Name one person Nath!

    Be careful!

  38. Been Theresays:
    Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:11 pm
    “And of course some people on here have ‘celebrated’ anniversaries of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. But their own personal tragedies are worthy of solemnity.”

    Name one person Nath!

    Be careful!
    __________
    Boerwar

  39. How odd. I just suffered through my first gout flare.

    As a child of the 80’s i thought was i was too young for such ailments.

    Funnily enough, mine was triggered by a surfeit of tomatoes.

  40. “Gout is caused by too much meat and seafood.

    “Easy cure is to become Vegan/vegetarian.”

    “I concur! Apparently anything red colored can trigger an attack. Cherries, tomatoes, red apples and the like.”

    Yeah nah. Gout is caused by a kidney disfunction that reduces their ability to remove uric acid from the blood.

    Uric acid is produced by metabolising foods with high levels of purines – this includes pork, beer and vegemite, red wine, shellfish and asparagus. At least in my experience. But the specifics are personal and variable.

    I’ve been off all but the red wine for about 5 years. I have always had a 2-3 full vego days a week, but I think it was the accumulated regular vegemite at breakfast, and semi-regular pork and prawns that did it to me.

    And the red foods thing is a complete furphy. I drink cherry juice as a natural anti-inflammatory treatment for the gout and drink cider instead of beer. Gout symptom free for a good while now.

  41. Okay Nath.

    I’ll leave you and Boerwar to determine whether they have ” celebrated” the Atomic bombing of Hiroshoma!

    All yours Boerwar!

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