The Age/Herald published a Resolve Strategic poll on Saturday concerning AUKUS and nuclear submarines, which I held back on doing a post on because I thought voting intention results might follow. That hasn’t happened yet, so here goes.
As is perhaps unavoidable with the matter at hand, respondents were given fairly lengthly explanations of the relevant issues before having their opinions gauged on them, such that the results need to be considered carefully alongside what was actually asked. The first outlined the proposed acquisition and pointed out both the expense and the expectation that it would create 20,000 jobs, and found 50% in favour and 17% opposed. Breakdowns by party support found near identical results for Labor and Coalition results, with weaker support among an “others” category inclusive of both the Greens and minor parties of the right.
The second question asked respondents how they felt specifically about Australian submarines being nuclear-powered, finding 25% actively supportive, 39% considering the notion “acceptable”, and 17% actively opposed. The third put it to respondents that the federal government has hitherto being committed to spending 2% of GDP on defence, and that Anthony Albanese says he would like to spend more: 39% concurred, 31% said it should remain as is, and 9% felt it should be reduced. Finally, 46% felt “large single-party states, like Russia and China” were a threat to Australia, but one that could be carefully managed; 36% felt they were a threat that “needed to be confronted soon”; and 8% felt they were no threat at all.
The sample was conducted last Sunday to Thursday from a sample of 1600.
If I were to be in Gobbo’s place I’d do exactly what she plans to do & then leave town:
[‘Nicola Gobbo is attempting to negotiate an immunity deal that could result in the barrister-turned-informer avoiding criminal prosecution for her involvement in the Lawyer X scandal in exchange for providing evidence against more than a dozen current and former police officers.
A series of sworn statements taken by the Office of the Special Investigator, obtained by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, detail the evidence Gobbo claims she can provide in exchange for an undertaking of “indemnity” or “immunity” from future criminal charges or punishment.
Gobbo represented a number of underworld figures in the early 2000s, including Carl Williams and Tony Mokbel. At the same time she was acting as a police informer, providing information on her criminal associates, including her clients.
In the statements, Gobbo admits her actions in some instances were “immoral”, “illegal” and a “perversion of justice”. She also acknowledges participating in a “giant conspiracy” with Victoria Police to cover up her work as an informer by destroying or modifying documents and violating legal privilege.
The identities of the police officers Gobbo has named were redacted in the documents but include former members of the elite Purana anti-gangland taskforce as well as her handlers in the Source Development Unit.
The OSI, which is headed by former High Court justice Geoffrey Nettle, is investigating whether Gobbo, members of Victoria Police or any other person should face criminal.’]
https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/gobbo-working-on-immunity-deal-in-return-for-rolling-on-police-20230321-p5cu14.html
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PageBoisays:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:31 pm
@alpo
I find it hilarious that you continually deride the coalition for being neoliberal, when it’s the ALP who not only ushered in the neoliberal era in this country, but continue to double down on it! Some examples……
Biodiversity/extinction – rather than, you know, maybe just preventing furth habitat destruction, Tanya P (who I have a fair deal of respect for) floats the absolutely asinine idea of creating some sort of market for biodiversity, and allowing it to be traded (eg rorted) – sounds pretty neoliberal to me!
Housing – instead of just building houses, their plan is to take some money, invest it, then use the earnings of those investments not even to build housing, but to somehow incentivise property developers to add a few more affordable or social houses – pure neoliberalism
Safeguards mechanism – again creating a dodgy market for even dodgier carbon credits, uncapped, effectively allowing the affected industries to pay to continue to pollute
The LNP don’t really have any real agenda other than pork barreling, rewarding their mates and donors, transferring wealth upwards and doing or saying whatever it takes to get and retain power (and keep the ALP out), but the ALP are neoliberal to the core
I notice also that poor bashing policies like job active, parents next, work for the sole, talk of the ‘integrity’ of the welfare system all remain, whilst refusing to provide any meaningful difference to the less well off
I’m not saying same same, the ALP have done some good things so far , but I’m seeing very little evidence that they actually want to shift the country for the better rather than just temper the worst excesses of the coalition
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Pageboi
As of now current ALP government is just tempering the worst excesses of the coalition. Super change is the best example of that.
Yes, you can say they are implementing their election promises. Good on them.
Have they made any big policy announcement yet? Not yet.
US Dept of Energy/.. what does a proposition mean when they say X is likely .. with a low level of confidence…
It means we have no idea & the idea we have is not supportable on a scientific basis.
Windhover says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:14 pm
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Don’t get me wrong, I believe China is a bully and a threat. But if diplomacy fails unless we stop trading with them now, I fully expect a Beijing friendly government installed in Australia, whether or not we have a whole bunch of subs.
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China is taking care of your trading issues as we speak. It is developing multiple additional external and internal sources for its increased coal-fired build. It i developing stupendous iron ore deposits in Africa.
We could go with a Light Mobile Force build and install a government friendly to China. But the Greens are dreadfully slow in building their vote.
‘Sceptic says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:41 pm
US Dept of Energy/.. what does a proposition mean when they say X is likely .. with a low level of confidence…
It means we have no idea & the idea we have is not supportable on a scientific basis.’
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It means that the chicommies have successfully controlled the samples.
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Socratessays:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:43 pm
From the party that gave us Barnaby Joyce and the member for Manilla:
“ Public Health Association of Australia CEO Adj Prof Terry Slevin, said by being the only major political party in Australia that takes tobacco industry money – “at least $276,062 between 2015-16 and 2021-22 from Philip Morris Ltd, the Nationals have ensured its views on vaping are worse than irrelevant”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/21/shocker-health-experts-condemn-nationals-proposal-to-relax-vaping-laws
What is the point of the National Party today? Is it anything besides grifting?
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Grifting.
Otherwise how can a heart rendering disaster like Menindee dead fish happen.
Look at ex-leaders of Nationals like Barilaro, Joyce. Totally corrupt.
Oh dear poor Rupert wearing another law suit on Dominion.
Now he is being sued by his own producers saying that Fox lawyers coerced them into acting as fall guys for Fox.. Fox countersuing to stop the dirt on Fox Lawyers coming out…
Looking more likely this will cost Rupert north of $4Billion
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/20/business/media/fox-news-abby-grossberg.html
On Monday afternoon, Fox filed its own suit against Ms. Grossberg, seeking to enjoin her from filing claims that would shed light on her discussions with the company’s lawyers. A judge has not yet ruled on Fox’s suit. Later on Monday, according to her lawyer, Parisis G. Filippatos, Fox also placed Ms. Grossberg on forced administrative leave.
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Labor is honouring its election promises. This is so unusual that lots of peeps still don’t actually get that trust in government actually starts with doing what you promised and not doing what you promised not to do.
The major promises not implemented are the ones that the Coalition and the Greens are blocking. These are some biggies: housing, climate action and the Voice.
“Historyintime says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:29 pm
“That was the most Neoliberal government the ALP has ever produced. Since 2008, we have come to realise how wrong they were on many fronts”
They were mildly neoliberal at various points and Keating absolutely stuffed up macroeconomic policy with the recession we had to have. But they were also, at least in the Hawke years, a very thoughtful and brave government. I’d also argue that they were more to the Left overall than at least the Gillard government which was very conventional.
I’d still rather take my policy advice from Paul Keating and Gareth Evans than their current counterparts”
I am not sure where have you been hibernating since 2008, but Rudd, Gillard and then Shorten and now Albo are a million times more Social Democratic than Keating, the Neoliberal ALP PM. Keating and Evans have the right to speak of course, and current ALP PMs should display enough deference to listen carefully. But in the end, it’s the Government that knows what the current reality is, and they are asked to act on that reality.
Despite the comments of some, Beazley was strong on building up Australia’s defence capability, but cautious in committing Australian troops to foreign wars.
Beazley was not a lapdog for all things American. He criticised sending Australian troops to Iraq in 2003, long before it became fashionable to do so. His warnings of embittering Arab peoples were regrettably accurate. Beazley supported the US alliance, but not blindly.
https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/war-buff-fires-a-few-shots-over-his-stance-on-iraq-20030418-gdgmbu.html
‘PageBoisays:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:31 pm
@alpo
I find it hilarious that you continually deride the coalition for being neoliberal, when it’s the ALP who not only ushered in the neoliberal era in this country, but continue to double down on it! Some examples……
Biodiversity/extinction – rather than, you know, maybe just preventing furth habitat destruction, Tanya P (who I have a fair deal of respect for) floats the absolutely asinine idea of creating some sort of market for biodiversity, and allowing it to be traded (eg rorted) – sounds pretty neoliberal to me!
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The biggest single driver for biodiversity loss in Australia is population growth. The Coalition, Labor and the Greens are on the same page on supporting it. This has zip to do with neo-liberalism.
Bomber Beazely was interested in defence?
I just wish that Labor would call the Coalition and Greens bluff and take their major policies back to the people.
https://mountvicandme.com/shop/bomber-beazley-classic-cotton-t-shirt/
Gobbo’s rolling over credentials are pretty good.
In the previous open thread I raised half a dozen concerns relating AUKUS. Not one fan Boi of this policy has yet negated a single one of them. Just Cold war rhetoric, smears, and Grouper group think. It makes me laugh that they get all precious about the other side getting too aggressive in terms of language use. Alpo insinuated that I was a communist and Catcrank suggested that I was a drunk. “But, but YOUR side are calling US names.” Dish it out okay, but not so good at taking it.
Calling a spade a spade.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mnB5ErGU36I
Trump’s arraignment looks like being delayed until next week due to another witness being slated to appear before a grand jury over the alleged hush money paid to Stormy Daniels. When he’s arraigned, he’ll have to appear in person, not virtually – Fox News.
“PageBoi says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:31 pm
@alpo
I find it hilarious that you continually deride the coalition for being neoliberal, when it’s the ALP who not only ushered in the neoliberal era in this country [TRUE, BUT I HAVE NEVER DENIED THAT HISTORICAL FACT OF THE HAWKE-KEATING ERA], but continue to double down on it! [FALSE!] Some examples……” [TO BE DEBUNKED BELOW]
YOU WRITE: “Biodiversity/extinction – rather than, you know, maybe just preventing furth habitat destruction, Tanya P (who I have a fair deal of respect for) floats the absolutely asinine idea of creating some sort of market for biodiversity, and allowing it to be traded (eg rorted) – sounds pretty neoliberal to me!”
READ HERE: “Environment: “On 19 July 2022, Plibersek released the State of the Environment Report which had been handed to the previous government in December 2021. The Report provided that every category of the Australian environment – apart from urban environments – was now in a poor and deteriorating state. In response, Plibersek announced that the government would adopt a new target of protecting 30% of the Australian environment and promised stronger environmental protection legislation to be introduced in 2023. On 8 December 2022, Plibersek announced that the government would commit to a reform of federal environmental laws, in response to an independent review first submitted to the Morrison Government in 2020. The reform would include the creation of a federal Environment Protection Agency (EPA) which would impose legally binding environmental standards and oversee decision-making processes of the states and territories, as well as increased restrictions to native logging and the establishment of a “traffic light” rating system where some areas could be designated as having a high conservation value. The government planned to introduce legislation to parliament before the end of 2023″. Oh, and what about this: “Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek blocks Clive Palmer’s Central Queensland coal mine”… and this “States back Plibersek’s pledge for big conservation rollout”… etc., etc.
YOU WRITE: “Housing – instead of just building houses, their plan is to take some money, invest it, then use the earnings of those investments not even to build housing, but to somehow incentivise property developers to add a few more affordable or social houses – pure neoliberalism”
READ HERE: “Housing: “Julie Collins was appointed Minister for Housing. The government’s Regional First Home Buyer Guarantee was launched on 1 October 2022. The program provides a government guarantee of up to 15 per cent for eligible first home buyers, so regional Australians with a deposit of as little as 5 per cent can avoid paying lenders’ mortgage insurance.” Plus, in the ALP program: “Labor will create the $10 billion Housing Australia Future Fund which will build 30,000 new social and affordable housing properties in its first five years. Each year investment returns from the Housing Australia Future Fund will be transferred to the National Housing Finance and Investment Corporation (NHFIC) to pay for social and affordable housing projects.
In its first five years, the Fund will aim to build around 20,000 social housing properties (4000 specifically for women and children escaping domestic and family violence and older women at risk of homelessness), and 10,000 affordable homes for key workers. Additionally, the returns from the Fund will pay for $200 million for the repair, maintenance and improvements of housing in remote Indigenous communities and $30 million to build more housing and fund specialist services for veterans who are experiencing homelessness or at risk of homelessness.
The Help to Buy program will give 10,000 Australians per year the opportunity to share ownership of a home with the Government which will put in up to 40% of the purchase price for a new home, and up to 30% for an existing home. Under Help to Buy, eligible homebuyers would pay a 2% rather than a 5% deposit, and would avoid the need for lenders mortgage insurance.
The Regional First Home Buyer Support Scheme will aim to assist 10,000 first-home buyers a year in regional Australia purchase a home. Labor says those buyers will save up to $32,000 in mortgage insurance and be able to secure a home with a deposit as low as 5 per cent – with the government guaranteeing up to 15 per cent of the purchase price.
The National Housing Finance and Investment Corporation, established in 2018 as a corporate Commonwealth entity built to support housing outcomes nationally, will be renamed Housing Australia.
The ALP will establish a National Housing Supply and Affordability Council, which will be advised by experts from various sectors with the aim to finding the best approaches to increasing housing supply and improving affordability.
The National Housing and Homelessness Plan will be developed in consultation with key stakeholders from across national, state and territory, and local governments and private sectors. It will aim to set key short, medium and longer term reforms needed to increase the supply and affordability of homes to buy and rent and reducing rates of homelessness.”
YOU WRITE: “Safeguards mechanism – again creating a dodgy market for even dodgier carbon credits, uncapped, effectively allowing the affected industries to pay to continue to pollute”
READ HERE: This is just one of the many ALP climate change policies. There are many others, read here:
https://alp.org.au/policies/powering-australia
https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/australias-major-parties-climate-action-policy-2022/
Oh, and if you are worried about policies that use the “market”, for your information the ALP has not defined themselves as a “Socialist party”. If you want Socialism vote for the Socialist Alliance, because not even the Greens are Socialist, they are basically capitalist, like the ALP, hence they are not scared of the word “market”. But none of them is Neoliberal! Neoliberals did not invent the word “market”.
YOU WRITE: “The LNP don’t really have any real agenda other than pork barreling, rewarding their mates and donors, transferring wealth upwards and doing or saying whatever it takes to get and retain power (and keep the ALP out), but the ALP are neoliberal to the core”
READ HERE: At this stage and after reading all the above, you surely are dropping that “neoliberal” label to refer to the ALP in 2023, are you?
YOU WRITE: “I notice also that poor bashing policies like job active, parents next, work for the sole, talk of the ‘integrity’ of the welfare system all remain, whilst refusing to provide any meaningful difference to the less well off”
READ HERE: There is no “poor bashing” from the ALP, there is job creating, providing better salaries, providing better minimum wages. The ones who regularly bash the poor are the Coalition Neoliberals.
YOU WRITE: “I’m not saying same same, the ALP have done some good things so far , but I’m seeing very little evidence that they actually want to shift the country for the better rather than just temper the worst excesses of the coalition”
READ HERE: It looks like that you had a final moment of reflection there, perhaps you went over the top before, as I demonstrated in my replies? In any event, politically this is the current situation:
a) The ALP are Social Democratic.
b) However, they support a socially and environmentally sensitive form of Capitalism, they are not Marxist.
c) The ALP must introduce Social Democratic reforms in a way that it takes the majority of the People with them.
d) The ALP has to maintain that majority for a few terms, if they want to transform this country from the current Neoliberal system to a Social Democratic one.
e) If they go fast and furious with revolutionary zeal, they will be gone at the next federal election…. Then what are you going to do?
Alpo says:
I am not sure where have you been hibernating since 2008, but Rudd, Gillard and then Shorten and now Albo are a million times more Social Democratic than Keating, the Neoliberal ALP PM.
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You are a special kind of moron Alpo. The Hawke/Keating governments oversaw a significant decline in child poverty which has been on the rise ever since 1996. Helped along by changes to the Single Parents Allowence introduced by Howard and pushed forward and defended by Gillard.
Rudd, Gillard and Shorten didn’t believe in anything but careerism and narcissism.
“clem attlee says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 8:15 pm
In the previous open thread I raised half a dozen concerns relating AUKUS. Not one fan Boi of this policy has yet negated a single one of them. Just Cold war rhetoric, smears, and Grouper group think. It makes me laugh that they get all precious about the other side getting too aggressive in terms of language use. Alpo insinuated that I was a communist and Catcrank suggested that I was a drunk. “But, but YOUR side are calling US names.” Dish it out okay, but not so good at taking it.”
clem, I would appreciate if you could quote the statement from me that has annoyed you. If I tell that somebody is this or that: A communist, a Neoliberal or whatever, it’s because it’s a deduction from what that person writes. I am not in the business of inventing stuff. Sometimes people become surprised to be described as this or that in reaction to what they write, my suggestion is just to be more careful to write posts that truly reflect what you think and who you are. I do that all the time, btw.
“nath says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 8:32 pm
Alpo says:
I am not sure where have you been hibernating since 2008, but Rudd, Gillard and then Shorten and now Albo are a million times more Social Democratic than Keating, the Neoliberal ALP PM.
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You are a special kind of moron Alpo….”
Oh look, stupid Neoliberal nath is writing…. Gees stupid Neoliberal nath, we now know that you made it through primary school…. Congratulations!
B.S. Fairmansays:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 1:32 pm
Don’t worry, it’s just his body double. 🙂
The greens protest. This and other news at 11.
Now Kim IL Carr:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-s-old-guard-follow-keating-into-the-trenches-over-368b-submarine-deal-20230321-p5cu1h.html
Boerwar says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:52 pm
The biggest single driver for biodiversity loss in Australia is population growth. The Coalition, Labor and the Greens are on the same page on supporting it. This has zip to do with neo-liberalism.
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I agree that population growth is the immediate cause of ecosystem destruction and biodiversity loss, the cult of growth and the neoliberal hatred for a government role (collective responsibility) are also hcultural and political determinants.
Just sayin’.
The legislative reforms that allowed for negative gearing were introduced in 1985 by the Hawke/Keating government. From this point onwards, investment property expenses could be used to offset personal income and reduce tax on said income.
the Stooges going after the best government in Australian history, and a Labor one at that.
Interesting developments on the Voice battlefront:
“Coalition considers backflip to support Labor referendum changes after last-minute negotiations”…
Albo is correct in going step by step in his approach to this referendum… He must build consensus, allow positions to reconcile with each other on some basic issues, cool down the potential animosity…. until the initial legislation is passed and we go to a vote. Then speed will certainly pick up, until the Voice itself is passed with majority vote at the referendum….
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/21/coalition-considers-backflip-to-support-labor-referendum-changes-after-last-minute-negotiations
It is absolutely fucking unbelievable, isn’t it nath?
Madam Defarge in particular is nauseating.
Dear, oh deary me! clem atlee is another one who thinks the blog revolves around him. Has he stopped to think that no one has replied to him because his guff isn’t worth replying to? Or that his accusation of ‘Grouper group think’ about other people here has no basis in fact, as I did bother to refute explicitly, which he obviously must have missed because he still keeps hurling that old chestnut around like it’s meaningful. To me that he does that, and keeps on doing it, is simply a sign that he has nothing. So, until he wakes up to himself and actually contributes something intelligent and thoughtful, I see no need to engage with him. To me he’s just one of those old Leftys unable to move with the times but who thinks that the times should move back to them. Bo-ring.
And to think he’s smart calling me ‘Catcrank’, how old are you clem attlee, 7?
“New York prepares for possible unrest if Donald Trump is indicted.
Grand jury investigating ex-president over hush money payment to an adult film star appears poised to complete its work soon”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/21/new-york-prepares-for-possible-unrest-if-donald-trump-is-indicted
… and of course the NYPD will be more than prepared to contrast any illegal action carried out by MAGA terrorists.
See clem, to me you guys came out with nothing but rhetoric and accusations and generally haven’t tried to answer our substantive points. Everyone talking past each other more than at each other. S’why I’ve tried to be nicer about the whole thing after ParkySP’s excellent post (but still not taking shit from people intent on continuing to take the low road).
Much of this is a difference in values which people then just squirrel the facts to suit (we are all guilty of this to varying degrees; few arguments are genuinely 100% one way and most people do badly at acknowledging the other side’s legit points). That simply won’t be resolved, it’s agree to disagree stuff more than anything. Like, I’m not going to agree with someone like WWP who’s squeeing over Taiwan voluntarily going back to mainland control. We’re not going to win each other over. Why pretend he’s going to genuinely listen to me about this or that he’s going to persuade me of anything about this?
Labor has always had this divide in it. That’s OK. It’s a narrow church where everyone agrees on everything.
And in any case the Hawke/Keating government abolished negative gearing in 1985.
It did re introduce it in 1987 and you can argue against the merits of that. But the real ‘reforms’ that made negative gearing such a lucrative hustle was what Howard did in 1999.
“clem, I would appreciate if you could quote the statement from me that has annoyed you. If I tell that somebody is this or that: A communist, a Neoliberal or whatever, it’s because it’s a deduction from what that person writes. I am not in the business of inventing stuff. Sometimes people become surprised to be described as this or that in reaction to what they write, my suggestion is just to be more careful to write posts that truly reflect what you think and who you are. I do that all the time, btw.”
You know very well which comment i am referring to, as I have already referenced it. Unfortunately I mistakenly attributed it to Arky. I am not going to complain because I’m a big boy and not a hypocritical squealer. I pointed it out to expose the hypocrisy of the other side of the debate. You can call me whatever you like, I don’t give a fuck what you think!
Upnorth @ #649 Tuesday, March 21st, 2023 – 7:25 pm
The Stamford in Macquarie Street, just down from the NSW Parliament. 🙂
Hey Cat, ever heard of the psychological theory of transference? You have it in spades, ie accusing people of being ‘sad and lonely’ or I love this one, ‘thinking the board is all about them.’ You are devoid of a sense of irony. You make me laugh.
“clem attlee says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:39 pm”
So, I asked you to quote the comment but you refuse to do so.
Then you end with this pearl: “You can call me whatever you like, I don’t give a fuck what you think!”
Fine, have a good night clem.
I suppose the ALP Commonwealth Government will soon be re-introducing conscription in order to train up the many hundreds of thousands of cannon fodder Aussies they will need to sacrifice for their POTUS God over the next 40 years.
Being cannon fodder for Empires is a proud Australian tradition that the ALP used to oppose but sadly now assiduously promotes.
It’s ironic, I originally supported and joined the ALP in 1972 because of its opposition to the Vietnam War, conscription and the Liberal Party desire to replace Britain with the US as the imperial power to arse lick and a desire for an independent Australia.
But times change! The current ALP is a bigger imperial arse licker than the Menzies Government ever was. It’s just a different flavour of arse, I suppose.
From The Guardian:
“Zelenskiy hails EU deal to supply a million rounds of shells as a ‘strategic step’ towards victory”
Well, that’s a hell of a lot of shells…. Should anyone tell the Russian soldiers waiting in their trenches?
“Rakali says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:54 pm
I suppose the ALP Commonwealth Government will soon be re-introducing conscription in order to train up the many hundreds of thousands of cannon fodder Aussies they will need to sacrifice for their POTUS God over the next 40 years.”
How much have you been drinking, Rak?…. Isn’t it time to stop and go to bed?
Alpo @ #689 Tuesday, March 21st, 2023 – 9:56 pm
It’s only about half of what they need, actually, according to ‘Ukraine the Latest’ today.
When Labor partisans agree with a Labor policy, it’s because they’re just Labor stooges… and Labor is therefore terrible.
When Labor partisans disagree with a Labor policy, it proves that Labor is hopelessly divided…. and Labor is therefore terrible.
Shogun thinks some people are just conditioned to think Labor is terrible, and that they don’t really care much about policy.
Alposays:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:57 pm
“Rakali says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:54 pm
I suppose the ALP Commonwealth Government will soon be re-introducing conscription in order to train up the many hundreds of thousands of cannon fodder Aussies they will need to sacrifice for their POTUS God over the next 40 years.”
How much have you been drinking, Rak?…. Isn’t it time to stop and go to bed?
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Don’t you think Alpo that this is kinda the point some bludgers are trying to make? Rakali is only giving an opinion, doesn’t drag any other bludger into that opinion and that’s it. But you assert (unprompted other than your own obvious objections to the comment) that Rakali drinks too much. Maybe stick to disagreeing with the comment or put your own view. The personal attack is unwarranted. Other bludgers could do the same I might add.
Alpo
“How much have you been drinking, Rak?…. Isn’t it time to stop and go to bed?“
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It’s true, i have had a few wines! I need that to post. It’s social phobia.
But i have been seething for weeks about this AUKUS rubbish. There is no way that the US will give “secret” technology without maintaining control.
Helen Clark has now endorsed Gareth Evan’s article. This is becoming the first big test of the Government; ironically precipitated by friendly fire. Actually, I wonder what Albanese and Wong’s real views are on AUKUS. They must be a little shaken at the criticism.
“Historyintime says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 10:16 pm
Helen Clark has now endorsed Gareth Evan’s article. This is becoming the first big test of the Government; ironically precipitated by friendly fire. Actually, I wonder what Albanese and Wong’s real views are on AUKUS. They must be a little shaken at the criticism.”….
This is a “test” for the ALP government?…. Really?…. I thought that the Voice was the real test that this government is facing right now, but no, it’s a bunch of submarines that won’t be built for years…
Oh dear…. some people look a bit too desperate.
Hosting Xi hasn’t stopped Moscow firing missiles at civilians in Ukraine:
“Over the past 24 hours, Russia launched attacks against Kherson, Kharkiv, and Donetsk oblasts, resulting in at least three deaths and 10 injuries. ”
https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/russia-attacks-multiple-oblasts-killing-3-injuring-10
How can Xi be right there, talking to the man responsible for all this death and destruction occurring as they speak, and not speak up about this? I very much doubt he is scared of Putin!
“Rakali says:
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 10:07 pm
…There is no way that the US will give “secret” technology without maintaining control.”
The US only need to train Australians to run the subs and perhaps a bunch of technicians to fix them. If the problem is too complex, I am sure that we will ask them to fly some of their experts to have a look at the technical issue. I mean, are we giving up our sovereignty because of that?
Alpo ,
Even with Aukus, I still the Albo’s in the honeymoon period. Dutton has nothing and I’m half expecting him to loose the aston bi-election and face some questions internally.
I also hope for good things from NSW. But I do note that last time the country was all Labor, it swung the other way pretty quickly.