The Australian reports the first Newspoll in four weeks has Labor leading 54-46, in from 55-45 last time. The primary votes are Labor 37% (down one), Coalition 35% (up one), Greens 10% (down one) and One Nation 7% (up one). Anthony Albanese’s approval rating is down two to 55% and his disapproval is up five to 38%, and his lead on preferred prime minister is in from 56-26 to 54-28. We are told that Peter Dutton’s net rating is at minus 11 – he was at 36% approval and 46% disapproval last time (UPDATE: Now 37% approval and 48% disapproval).
The poll also finds very strong support for the proposed changes to taxation of superannuation, which the question goes to some lengths to explain. Sixty-four per cent registered support for the idea, with only 29% opposed, with breakdowns viewable here finding the proposal seemingly scoring well with every constituency other than journalists.
The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1530.
hopefuly Dreyfuss can introduce the legislation to get rid of the admin tribunal apart from president all liberal appointments in place how long will it take for Dreyfuss to replace the tribunal compensate the members can pezzulos do nothing worth sacking
I would think that the party which has the most to lose in a DD is the Coalition.
Oh, and if Labor can’t get their legislation through the senate, and the senators are voting in reasonable accordance with the policies of the parties and people they were elected to represent, then the ones at fault here are Labor, not the senators.
C@tmomma says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:47 pm
Oh goodness gracious me, another self-serving ‘poll’ by The Australia Institute. Hmm, now let me get this right … Sarah Hanson-Young, veteran Greens Senator, is married to Ben Oquist. Ben Oquist is … the former executive Director, until 2022, of The Australia Institute. Nothing fishy going on there.
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As far as we can tell so far, the questions were framed about level of support for the Senate ‘improving’ Labor legislation.
So, not leading questions at all…
And in Ahmedahbad:
Peter Lalor
@plalor
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OMG. Check out the sight screens!!!!
C@tmomma says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:53 pm
And in Ahmedahbad:
Peter Lalor
@plalor
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OMG. Check out the sight screens!!!!
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Tricky picking up a red cricket ball against those “sight” screens!
More Qld government recalcitrance:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/07/queensland-to-spend-5bn-on-1100km-copperstring-power-line-to-unlock-renewables-potential
yes a dd is so good with the lower quaoter making it eazier for minor party senaters to get up it would mean more greens plus posible one nation and posibly others it worked very well in 2016 whiy wouldnt albanese go to the poles early and increase the minor party senate
it only worked in 1987 becaus of the special reason joescampaign forced the nats to split splitting the anti labor vote which helped hawke plus the greens wernt a force then only the democrats 2016dd is the reason hanson got re elected
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Snappy Tomsays:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 3:44 pm
Dandy Murray says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 3:40 pm
“Theist, in this day and age means ignorant, easily led and delusional. It did not necessarily mean so a couple of hundred years ago, but now it denotes either thoroughly brainwashed, like Pell’s fans, or just too thick to understand, like, perhaps, F*lau, or both, like Morrison et al.
Atheist means able to think straight, for oneself.”
Here endeth the lesson.
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I agree with the sentiment and would appreciate a source for the quote.
A friend once described himself as a “non-theistic” Christian – not a bad formulation of where I stand.
I suspect “theism” is basically about sky fairies, as yabba has described with some precision.
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It doesn’t matter whether you are a atheist or theist now.
But their morals, values, ethics and beliefs stem from the religion or a sub-sect of the religion they are born and raised.
For example, You were born as a catholic but you may be a atheist now. However, your thinking and thoughts were based on your initial years as catholic. That will not escape you through out your existence. You can never think like a Jew or a Hindu or a Muslim atheist.
Technically an Catholic atheist will not criticise Hinduism like a Hindu atheist criticises Hinduism.
Another example, People like BW criticise Hinduism by calling “extreme Hinduism”, which is based on their thought process of criticising Christianity they do.
I know I will face sarcasm and criticism FC PBers. So be it.
“Do unto others as thy would have done to you”
This is not a religious statement. Christians who say that it is, are misinformed. (In fact, saying that it is, as is often the case, total bullshit). It has been stated, in various closely related forms, and in multiple languages. for thousands of years. Any intersections between religion, ethics and inter-human relationships is coincidental. Religion is much more closely related to the exertion of power by those with assumed authority, and imposing unthinking adherence to dogma, on pain of death. Just like Xi’s China.
The African pygmies, who had no identifiable religious beliefs at all, stated to early contacts that a very similar idea was the basic creed under which their small societies operated.
It is also around in multifarious early societies, for example in ancient Egyptian stories around 2000 BCE, and in the ancient Indian story, the Mahābhārata to quote: ” One should never do something to others that one would regard as an injury to one’s own self. Anything else is succumbing to desire.” (circa 400 BCE)
The sentiment was around in completely non-religious contexts way before whoever cobbled together the “gospel (not) according to Matthew” dreamt up the so-called ‘Sermon on the Mount’. (Which transcendent event none of the so-called Mark, Luke and John thought worth mentioning). Christians generally and multiple other sources falsely claim that ‘event’ to be its source. Its absorption into the whole ‘christian’ confabulation is typical, but spurious.
but oqist is also a long time greens party memberran for nsw parliament and federaly for greens and was a close advisor to bob brown no wonder he wants a dd it would increas the greens senaters
Dandy Murray says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:56 pm
More Qld government recalcitrance:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/07/queensland-to-spend-5bn-on-1100km-copperstring-power-line-to-unlock-renewables-potential
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I assume by “recalcitrance” you mean the Qld govt’s refusal to respect the federal LNP’s policy mandate (by virtue of winning 21 of 30 Qld HR seats) to promote the cooking of the planet?
Just applying the VE statistical analysis method…
A solution to the putin problem? One man or woman, one rifle and one bullet….
Voice Endeavour says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:02 pm
@BW – you’re talking about a theoretical election fought on an issue that 7% of ACT voters support Labor’s position, and 85% support Pocock’s position.
I know that ‘single issue’ polls don’t map exactly to vote share, people care about more than 1 issue, even at a DD about that issue.
But I cannot think of a better start to a campaign for Pocock than Labor calling a DD on a 7% issue.
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Refresh me, when did the ACT last elect a non-Labor government?
And if having contributed to just electing a federal Labor government, why would they now want them to get out of the way? There appears to be a distinct logic mismatch here.
Thats a remarkable poll….I find it hard to believe that 85% of Australians could be found to agree on anything
‘Enough Already says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:47 pm
I think this is the bloodiest day of the war on the Russian side since last March:
Russians KIA Mar 6: 1,060
Total Russians KIA: 154,830
Daily average Russians KIA: 411.8
Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/7/7392279/
At a ratio of between 5:1 and 7:1 (Russian:Ukrainian KIA) Ukraine would have lost 150-200 KIA on Mar 6.’
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What is the source of those KIA ratios?
FMD! I can’t believe Albanese said this today …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2023/mar/07/australia-politics-live-albanese-labor-essential-poll-rba-cash-rate-superannuation-super-greens-safeguard-mechanism-carbon-climate-change?page=with:block-6406bc098f0894c1206ea68a#block-6406bc098f0894c1206ea68a
Let’s repeat that last bit …
“They [ i.e. the COALition ] say no to even their own policy, their own policy on climate change the safeguard mechanism.”
Labor only has this goddam policy because after agreeing to support every goddam half-baked climate policy the COALition ever put forward, this was the one they had in their hand when the music finally stopped.
The COALition is clearly never going to support any Labor policy, not even if it is their own policy – so why not put up a real policy?
I think we all know why.
Just makes you want to weep, doesn’t it?
Asha
Completely agree.
for Rudd in 2009 a DD would have been the best option.
For Albo in 2023, it would be a terrible option.
Our polity is now far more divided than it was in 2009.
At the end of the day, the electorate voted for the Albanese Labor government (majority TPP) to manage the next three years.
The electorate voted for a very specific platform regarding climate change: action will occur, but the approval of individual coal or gas projects is subject to them 1) Overcoming legal environmental hurdles, and 2) getting the finance.
This policy will see very few new gas exploration projects approved, and no new coal mines approved.
The ALP is also throwing its resources and money into supporting the development of renewables.
This approach has been a demonstrated success in South Australia.
Make sure the supply side has plenty of renewables which are at least as cheap as fossil fuels, and the demand side will use them.
Easy – fossil fuels disappear as the demand for them disappears.
Does this make all fossil fuel use cease tomorrow: No, but at least we are on the right track to phasing them out within a decade. And phasing out does not mean no use of gas at all.
I am a bit despairing that the generally erudite pollbludgertariat cannot understand the simple arithmetic of “Carbon budget”, and the fact that some 60 -70% of climate change that will occur in the next 30 years is due to carbon emission produced far earlier, in the last century.
Insisting that we need to stop all gas exploration immediately will 1) Make zero difference to emission in the next half decade – it is exploration, not production, and 2) Lead to the loss of confidence of the electorate in the electorate that pre-election promises can be trusted, which will lead to Dutton PM in 2024 / 2025.
Unless we can bring the Australian people with us, to believe that acting on climate change will not see them with electricity and gas bills they cannot pay, the electorate will quickly put the Coalition back into power.
And “Trust in Politicians” is one of the biggest issues in the electorate today. Labor won a majority with a particular platform. They deviate from their platform at their political peril.
And no, the destruction of the ALP will not see the sudden flowering of peace, love and the Greens / Teal coalition – it will see Dutton PM, and Rupert Murdoch restored to his rightful place (in his humble opinion) as the Kingmaker and chief policy maker in Australia.
The official US view of the worth or otherwise of Bakhmut to Russia:
“The city of Bakhmut is not strategically important for Russia, but attempts to capture it are the only opportunity to demonstrate at least some results on the battlefield.
Source: US State Department spokesman Ned Price, quoted by Ukrinform
Details: According to Price, Bakhmut, where the fiercest fighting is currently taking place, is of little strategic importance to the Russians in terms of the operational situation.
Russian forces seek to capture the city because they have no other options to achieve at least some gains on the battlefield, he emphasised.”
Tens of thousands of corpses for a propaganda ‘announceable’. Putin is truly despicable.
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One big probable difference in a DD is that Queensland’s moneybags will probably give up.
A second big difference is that the Teals have been lacklustre. They talked a good story but have achieved bugger all. They have exposed their inner moneybags during the Super stoush. Steggal opined that Abanese is worse than Morrison. Ryan appears to be having difficulty managing two or three staff at the same time.
A third big difference is that Labor has demonstrated competence in government.
A fourth big difference is that the Coalition has been a pathetic opposition.
A fifth big difference is that the Greens have not changed their spots since 2009.
Labor would certainly increase its majority in the House.
As for the senate, nothing could be worse than the current Blocker and Wrecker dynamic duo of Bandt and Dutton.
Labor has nothing to lose and everything to gain from a DD.
Bert: “A solution to the putin problem? One man or woman, one rifle and one bullet….”
I’m trying to think of a single instance where this has been the case. The only cases I can remember are exactly the wrong ones being at the wrong end of that bullet. Maybe because only certain sorts of people are capable of doing such things.
There was only one party that promised to stop new coal and new gas.
In the only poll that counts it got 12%.
On the latest polling it is actually going backwards.
Boerwar @ Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:10 pm:
“‘Enough Already says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:47 pm
I think this is the bloodiest day of the war on the Russian side since last March:
Russians KIA Mar 6: 1,060
Total Russians KIA: 154,830
Daily average Russians KIA: 411.8
Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/7/7392279/
At a ratio of between 5:1 and 7:1 (Russian:Ukrainian KIA) Ukraine would have lost 150-200 KIA on Mar 6.’
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What is the source of those KIA ratios?”
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The 5:1 ratio I posted about earlier and linked to the source. It was “an unnamed NATO military official” who told it to CNN.
https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/cnn-russia-lost-5-times-more-soldiers-in-bakhmut-than-ukraine
The 7:1 ratio is again from CNN: “The Ukrainians have used Bakhmut to inflict massive losses on the attacking force: by some estimates at a ratio of 7:1.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
Whichever end of that range you take, losing 1,060 troops to knock out 150-200 of the enemy and advance maybe 100-200 metres is an atrocious waste of manpower.
Douglas and Milko @ #969 Tuesday, March 7th, 2023 – 6:13 pm
Why allow exploration if you don’t intend to allow exploitation?
Will it make a difference in the next half decade? No, it probably won’t. But so what? It will make one hell of a difference in the next 20-50 years. It will in fact make the difference between having a decent life, or misery and possibly death for millions.
But hey, at least Labor will get re-elected, right? After all, that’s the important thing here.
yabba,
I don’t really care about the sanctimonious piffle you keep regurgitating in your jihad against Christians and Christianity. If I want to believe in the maxim of ‘do unto others as you would have them do unto you’, then I will. To do so does not make me religious OR a Christian, per se. It simply means that I have decided to be a good person. As much as humanly possible by following that tenet. Nothing more, nothing less.
And I used the word ‘sanctimonious’, deliberately. As you put yourself up on a pedestal as the first and last word in any discussion about religion. As you appear to quaintly embody this: “I am the way and the truth and the life.” (John 14:6). Kind of like a religious horseshoe. You are so rabidly against religion that you end up being almost perfectly aligned to religious zealots.
EA
Thanks. ‘unnamed NATO official’ and unreferenced ‘CNN comment’ are not very reliable, IMO.
I feel a beatitude coming on… ah…
Blessed are the tentmakers for their’s is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Boerwar @ Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:25 pm:
“EA
Thanks. ‘unnamed NATO official’ and unreferenced ‘CNN comment’ are not very reliable, IMO.”
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As opposed to?
32% Labor got into Govt off the back of the Greens/Teal.
In the spirit of democracy they owe them the ‘no new thermal coal and gas’ policy concessions.
Rex Douglas says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 4:59 pm
32% Labor won’t give concessions then squeals about blockers and delayers. Delusional.
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Rex Douglas, doing the rounding
You robbed Labor of 0.6% , Labor rounded up to 33%
‘Enough Already says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:30 pm
Boerwar @ Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:25 pm:
“EA
Thanks. ‘unnamed NATO official’ and unreferenced ‘CNN comment’ are not very reliable, IMO.”
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As opposed to?’
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Nothing much at all. I believe that the official Russian and Ukraine figures are falsified for obvious morale reasons on both sides. I don’t know by how much.
I believe the margin of error is probably very large. For example, how are WIA, MIA and KIA separated when there are tens of thousands of shells a day going overhead?
I find a KIA ratio of 1:7 to be stonkingly high. It might obtain in individual battles but with something like 25,000 shells a day being fired, I assume that most of the battle deaths will now be the result of the same cause of death as obtained in World War 1 and World War 2: shellfire. The Russians are firing three to four times as many shells as the Ukrainians.
The Western press is not, IMO, being critical enough in this sphere.
Lordy, Integrity has his blood up and one-liner his baits laid out. Thorpie has been put on the back burner. S3 has been put on the backburner. Super has been put on the backburner. Rents have been put on the back burner.
What comes out of Integrity’s bait bucket? Dutton blocking climate action.
Pi @ #972 Tuesday, March 7th, 2023 – 5:50 pm
Christopher Walken shooting Martin Sheen?
Oh, wait. He missed, didnt he.
Snappy Tom says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:55 pm
Tricky picking up a red cricket ball against those “sight” screens.
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Looking forward to the snap-o-meter for the next test.
Lets see if it can improve its accruacy.
25 runs is the variance to beat.
None of Your Beeswax @ #967 Tuesday, March 7th, 2023 – 6:10 pm
They did a whip around at the office at The Australia Institute. 😐
Boerwar @ Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:38 pm:
“I find a KIA ratio of 1:7 to be stonkingly high….”
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Me too. But this may be what happens when you force poorly trained and equipped troops to advance across an exposed ‘no man’s land’ against hardened troops occupying a well-entrenched position. The Russian assaults upon Bakhmut have been likened to WW1 style ‘over the top’ charges at the enemy trenches. Also, Ukraine possesses vastly more accurate and responsive artillery than does Russia. 7:1 isn’t that much of a stretch in those circumstances.
Isn’t it the 10% Greens that won’t budge?
Pi
I’m trying to think of a single instance where this has been the case.
Does Nicolae Ceausescu count?
A firing squad would be an appropriate way for Putin to be “managed out” (to use a Rex-ism).
Ha, I can just see it, Albo goes to a DD, all the maths lines up for him and he passes his legislation… and it’s still a crock of shit, doesn’t do anything.
Oh joy.
‘Enough Already says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:47 pm
Boerwar @ Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:38 pm:
“I find a KIA ratio of 1:7 to be stonkingly high….”
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Me too. But this may be what happens when you force poorly trained and equipped troops to advance across an exposed ‘no man’s land’ against hardened troops occupying a well-entrenched position. The Russian assaults upon Bakhmut have been likened to WW1 style ‘over the top’ charges at the enemy trenches. Also, Ukraine possesses vastly more accurate and responsive artillery than does Russia. 7:1 isn’t that much of a stretch in those circumstances.’
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My point is that we don’t really know.
C@tmomma @ #980 Tuesday, March 7th, 2023 – 6:24 pm
As happens so often C@t, you have completely the wrong end of the stick. My parents, who were completely non-religious, but scrupulously moral persons and upright citizens, drummed the golden rule into me from as early as I can remember, and I have followed it all my life, except where confronted with blatant injustice, or just plain evil, like Pell.
I was simply pointing out that the co-opting of a statement of plain decency that predated their con trick by a couple of thousand years was typical of the christian cabal.
Which way is north?
Boerwar @ Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:54 pm:
“My point is that we don’t really know.”
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Naturally. These are all estimates. My point is they’re not my estimates, but are those which are reportedly based upon official assessments, by people much more qualified to make them than I. Like any other estimate, I am transparent about where they come from, and leave it to others to make of them what they will.
‘Calyptorhynchus says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:52 pm
Ha, I can just see it, Albo goes to a DD, all the maths lines up for him and he passes his legislation… and it’s still a crock of shit, doesn’t do anything.
Oh joy.’
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Let’s face it. The Greens loathe the private sector with a passion. They want some sort of GosPlan in which they control all the economic levers of the Greens Soviet Socialist Republic.
The Greens simply do not understand private sector investment. They do not understand capital strike. The Greens actually believe that their 2009 strike had zero impact on private sector climate investment for the following decade.
Which is why the Greens have been totally silent on the billion dollar investment in a the NSW battery. Not a peep. Not a squeal of delight. Not a yelp of joy. Silence. It is as if they hate that battery. The Queensland Government invests a billion in upgrading the grid which is a sine qua non for renewables? Silence. Not a whole-hearted yippee! Nothing. It is as if the Greens hate progress on climate action.
It is ALREADY abundantly clear that Labor is triggering massive private sector investments. These will almost certainly get us well past 43/30. The simple act of delaying, obstructing or destroying Labor’s climate package is national vandalism.
I can understand why Dutton is doing it. After all, we have had ten years of the Coalition doing its best to destroy private and public sector investment in climate action.
But why are the Greens so bloody keen to repeat 2009? Squalid political power?
‘Enough Already says:
Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:58 pm
Boerwar @ Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 6:54 pm:
“My point is that we don’t really know.”
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Naturally. These are all estimates. My point is they’re not my estimates, but are those which are reportedly based upon official assessments, by people much more qualified to make them than I. Like any other estimate, I am transparent about where they come from, and leave it to others to make of them what they will.’
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Fair enough, IMO. One possible trajectory is that as the West gets jaded with the Ukraine War certain elements will start looking for excuses to pull back on support. Obviously false casualty figures are money for jam in that context.
Move over Stuart Robert, it’s Bowen’s turn to show ‘cabinet solidarity’.
Boerwars @ Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:04 pm:
“Fair enough, IMO. One possible trajectory is that as the West gets jaded with the Ukraine War certain elements will start looking for excuses to pull back on support. Obviously false casualty figures are money for jam in that context.”
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BW, also a fair point. Hopefully, the West gets ‘jaded with the Ukraine war’ almost as slowly as Ukrainians will, But if they get jaded appreciably faster, it won’t stop Ukrainians resisting Russia’s invasion. It will just mean it takes Ukraine much longer and cost them more lives.
Albo setting up a DD?
Bloody hell, yesterday he wasn’t even gunna be Prime Minister in six months.
Everyone who thinks that a limit mechanism on climate will actually do something is being fooled. And that’s mostly all of the greens.
A legislated cap on carbon, in Australia doesn’t solve any problems. But it signals that something is happening. When the greens started protesting the gordan river dam, the effect was to stop a dam. Stopping coal mines doesn’t stop climate change, it just moves coal mining to another country that doesn’t have a green party. The effect the greens are trying to create is bigger than their actual reach.
Chris Bowen is the most significant member of the ALP ministry, with respect to climate. Second is Tanya P. The ALP has set limits, but Bowen wants to exceed them. Offshore wind (protested by the greens), large solar (protested against by the greens). New Hydro plants, and hydrogen generation (Nimby’d by the greens) are all ways to create new energy that undercut the cost of coal.
The greens want to be seen to be environmental, but don’t actually want to do the things that will change the nation. Halting all coal plants only creates an expensive litigation mess for the government. However, letting foolish investors, invest in coal plants whilst the government builds out green energy and works to spread green energy in Asia will kill the demand for coal. It’s the 4d chess move here.
You don’t need to shutter the mines, they will do it themselves.
I could handle Bandt saying, we want to stop all coal mining and invest all the money in lithium mining and processing with the intent to have the worlds largest battery factories right here in Australia. Except I’ve never heard Bandt talk about new industries like that, all he does is complain at labor.
The jobs in lithium mining would pay so well that it would just put more and more pressure on the coal mines.
Anyway. Long story short. If the climate bill fails. That’s on the greens most of all. I expect it to pass, because after lidia, then greens are on the ropes and can’t risk it. I also don’t think it matters at all. New industry creation is more important and I think Chris bowen gets it.
BTW, the greens don’t talk about electric cars, large cars, electric bikes, import tarrifts on electric bikes or any of these smaller scale person issues that would help move along the cause.