Today’s Daily Telegraph has a YouGov poll showing 46% support for a yes vote in a referendum on an indigenous voice compared with 30% for no, with 24% undecided. Support was at 61% among Labor voters, 31% among Coalition voters and 72% among the small sample of Greens voters. Sixty-eight per cent rated that the government had done a poor job of explaining how the voice would work, with no detail provided on other responses. The poll was conducted online “last week” from a sample of 1069. UPDATE: The poll was limited to New South Wales.
Other than that, the only bit of recent polling I’m aware of is the return of Roy Morgan’s weekly update video and its regular serving of thin gruel on federal voting intention. This records Labor’s two-party lead at 59.5-40.5, out from 58.5-41.5 before the summer break, and a notably wide gap from a series that had found Labor with relatively modest leads for much of last year.
Also:
• Following the death on Tuesday of New South Wales Liberal Senator Jim Molan, reports suggest the front-runner to succeed him is fellow conservative Dallas McInerney, chief executive of Catholic Schools NSW. However, Max Maddison of The Australian reports some moderates believe the faction should try to poach the seat for one of their own, the chief contenders being defeated Wentworth MP Dave Sharma, unsuccessful Gilmore candidate Andrew Constance and thwarted Warringah preselection hopeful Jane Buncle. Tony Abbott has ruled out a suggestion by former Victorian state party president Michael Kroger that the position should go to him, although Dennis Shanahan of The Australian today reports that would be open to a lower house seat if it had “overwhelming support” in the party.
• Matthew Knott of the Sydney Morning Herald reported on Thursday that moderates were urging Marise Payne to create a second New South Wales Senate vacancy by retiring shortly after the March state election, potentially to be succeeded by Fiona Martin, who lost her seat of Reid at the federal election last year; Gisele Kapterian, former staffer to Julie Bishop and Michaelia Cash; or Maria Kovacic, state party president and unsuccessful federal candidate for Parramatta. Dennis Shanahan of The Australian reported today that Payne has “told colleagues she does not intend to retire”.
• Lydia Lynch of The Australian reported yesterday on a “push within Queensland’s Liberal National Party to bring former Senator Amanda Stoker back into the fold”, with the suggestion that she might topple lower-profile incumbent Paul Scarr to gain the top position on the Senate ticket at the next election. With the second place on the ticket reserved for the Nationals, and no suggestion in the report that a position might become available in the lower house, the only other possibility would be for her to again take third place. This was a losing proposition for her at last year’s election and would also require her to depose an incumbent, in this case ideological fringe dweller Gerard Rennick.
Next up at the Robodebt royal commission? Alan Grinsell-Jones, the former Branch Manager of Legal Services at DSS.
GREGGERY: What do you recall of the background to this sequence of emails?
GRINSELL-JONES: I can’t recall anything of their background.
Three questions and three cant recalls from new witness
These people never surprise.
zoomster says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:07 pm
and
zoomster says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:08 pm
So, the Greens seem to know what kind of outcome they want from any conversation with the ALP. Now, do the Greens understand what a process of “negotiations” means?… And finally, would they wreak the referendum if they don’t get all what they want, by supporting the “No” option?
The Greens look very determined to bluff…. but I wonder whether they know how to do it in an intelligent way.
enjaybee says:
“Most of the government employees appearing before the Royal commission are shown as former acting holders of positions with the government. Have they all been moved on or out?”
It’s a career service; people routinely move sideways and, now and then, up. And the events under scrutiny were several years ago.
Sound check.
Testing 1, 2,2,2, Testing 1,2.
Is there a sound issue at the RC
It must be my fault I just joined in
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These sound and video issues do not amuse Her Honour!
BK
they all working overtime as it is and every minute counts.
Mexicanbeemer says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 4:33 pm
…….That’s the battle i was thinking of and Brighton is a long way from Gippsland. ……
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Actually, the Victorian colonial western boundary of Gippsland was the Eummemmering Creek, which runs through present day Dandenong, so not that far away. There is no necessary connection between colonial and traditional boundaries but they do both tend to follow natural geographic barriers and the colonial boundaries were shaped by the existing (traditional) boundaries.
“… the former head of international tax for PwC Australia Peter-John Collins had been deregistered by the tax practitioners board for failing to act with integrity and for sharing confidential government briefings.
“… Collins “made unauthorised disclosures” to partners and staff at PwC of confidential information, obtained in consultations, about new rules to stop multinationals avoiding tax by shifting profits from Australia to tax and secrecy havens.”
Who woulda thunk it?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/25/jim-chalmers-furious-after-former-pwc-tax-adviser-found-to-have-shared-confidential-government-briefings-with-staff
Aaron newton says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 4:22 pm
was just thinking costellows heralddesided they dont like vested interests maybi we could have an inquiry in to media consentration and costellow should be nine chairmann with hisbeing a former liberal mp he must have some influence over the heralds pro perottit campaigning he can not say he is not influencing edatorial policy alix smith is particulay terible in her reporting evry positive labor story she demises or down plays she must just be reliying on leaks from perottits ofice and just reporting as fact plus former costelow staffer fifield as comunications minister got rid of the 2 out of 3 rule which means nine can own radio 2gb herald and tv
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I’d love some investigation into media ownership concentration. I don’t expect it to happen for two reasons:
1. Liberal govts are mates with media owners, whose organisations work hard to get Liberals elected
2. A Labor govt initiating such an investigation would be attacked by every media organisation imaginable until it lost govt
As I’ve advocated previously, I think one of the few ways to proceed is to get the Productivity Commission to review ‘productivity and consumer value in the media sector’. If the Commission is truly neoliberal, it will find that current ownership concentration reduces competition and call for breaking up oligopolistic media companies.
Labor can then implement the recommendations of the independent report.
The media will still go ape, but they won’t have many legs on which to stand.
Then again, it took our mainstream media an age (like the pun?) to even mention the Robodebt RC. Would they go as far as to edit out any mention of a Productivity Commission report and attack a Labor govt whilst pretending said report doesn’t exist?
Probably.
Snappy Tom
“ BTW, in about a month Ms Snappy and I are relocating to Brisbane (south side, so not Duttonsville). Maybe we could consider some sort of Bludging long lunch…”
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Apologies for the delay, just out from a minor op (a bit groggy). A catch up sounds good and an early welcome to Brissie to you both. Dutton aside, it’s a nice lifestyle up here which explains our tolerance of the LNP (barely).
“‘Decisions imminent’ in Trump election case, Atlanta district attorney says”…
I truly hope that the decision is imminent and that it will be disclosed in full. The American Democracy (no less) is at stake here. If judges don’t take that seriously, what are they supposed to take seriously?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/24/donald-trump-georgia-judge-grand-jury-report
Snappy Tom
“ BTW, in about a month Ms Snappy and I are relocating to Brisbane (south side, so not Duttonsville).”
If you’ll pardon the pedantry, most of Duttonsville is beyond the border of Brisbane, in Moreton Region.
LOL… deBurgh does not seem to have noticed a media storm around his area of responsibility. This defies credibility.
All SES have access to media clippings or the like on a daily basis.
The first job in the morning is to answer the question: ‘Does the general manager or the secretary need to be advised?’ and/or ‘Does the minister need to be briefed about the contents of such and such an article?’
Boerwar says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 4:41 pm
‘Here we go again says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 4:35 pm
As but one example, in Europe, as we communicate, there is conflict over where lines have been drawn on a map (and who speaks what language within those lines).
So why single out the history of our First Nation’s people?
Tribes, hey?’
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The context is that the Greens Spokesperson for Indigenous Affairs has declared that the Voice is a ‘joke’, that a State of War exists (presumably between First Nations and the Commonwealth of Australia) and further, that prior to 1978 First Nations lived in a state of peace.
I am curious to know whether Mr Bandt concurs?
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Perhaps there could be a new book series: “Where’s Adam?”
How, pray tell, could you be a senior public servant in the DSS in early 2017 and not be aware of adverse media coverage of Robodebt?
Is this man a mushroom?
Gives de Burgh a nudge about the APS Code of Conduct….
De Burgh – stop it – don’t be so cocky. You are about to be crucified. Confidence is good when you have grounds, but you do realise you are bringing cockiness to a KC fight right?
zoomster @ Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:07 pm
Thorpe: “Labor has asserted through our negotiations that Sovereignty isn’t impacted. It’s not enough. It needs to be explicit.”
This might be a sticking point. I wonder what Thorpe will accept.
Andrew_Earlwood says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:00 pm
I think that Ukraine is looking to re-equip its 10 tank battalions with western MBT. So @ 40 at ask per battalion, we are looking at 400 plus another 200 held in reserve for resupply in the field as tanks are destroyed or breakdown to an extent that they can not be repaired in the field. So 600.
Ukraine might be able to source around 300 Leo 2s from Poland (maybe 240-250, if the Americans fast track supplying Poland with Abrams), Germany, and Finland.
That would leave another 300 tanks to source from elsewhere. Perhaps Britain will up its offer from 12 to 60 (enough for a whole tank battalion), maybe even double that if they reduce the number of Challenger 2s they plan on upgrading to challenge 3 capabilities. So, that would be another 2 tank battalions re-equipped. Leaving at least three battalions to be re-equipped by other options. Le Clercs and … Abrams.
In my view, to try to ‘keep it simple, stupid’ the west should focus on the source of the most available tanks, which in this case would be Leo 2s and Abrams. Due to logistical support issues the battalions that end up with Abrams tanks could be assigned tasks that don’t require as much mobility and endurance as the other tank battalions.
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Perhaps nations that don’t operate either Leopards or Abrams would help better by purchasing such tanks and donating them, rather than Ukraine winding up with a hodge-podge of different types.
timbo @ Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:49 pm
But he may know something we don’t. He is not left-handed?
Andrew Earlwood
On your earlier comment about how many Leopard 2 tanks Ukraine would need, a force of 300 is certainly feasible, even if we ignore Greece and Turkey in the following table. In combination the other NATO countries have over 1000.
Germany 312
Greece 353
Spain 327
Turkey 316
Poland 247
Finland 200
*Switzerland 134
Sweden 120
Canada 82
*Austria 56
Boerwar says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:05 pm
The Abrams has a range of 300 miles at 45 mph.
If they can get even 50 Abrams to do a run of half that length in less 24 hours then the whole front would be shattered.
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I suspect the Abrams has a range of “up to” 300 miles and a top speed of 45mph. I doubt it can travel 300 while maintaining 45 all the way…
ST
Them’s the specs. My point is that the endurance of the Abrams is simply not an issue given the battlefield realities in Putin’s War. The Leopard 2 has 310 miles at 42mph.
The Abrams has plenty of endurance.
de Burgh is constructing an artificial excuse … or to put it another way he’s lying
Griff @ #1921 Wednesday, January 25th, 2023 – 5:51 pm
You sound like a used car salesman.
Sceptic
he says there’s nothing in emails to support the Commissioners suggestion that the DSS set out to hide 2014 advice from Ombudsman.
Never put it in writing … PS tactics 101
Shellbell says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:22 pm
Sound check.
Testing 1, 2,2,2, Testing 1,2.
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Decades ago, I made the mistake of attending an evangelical crusade-type gathering. There were lots of fundamentalist Christians there. To this day I can’t recall (your honour!) why I was.
A mate of mine was one of the guitarists and had the know-how to set up the microphones.
He conducted a sound check by approaching the central microphone and speaking into it, saying, “Testes, 1, 2…”
I crapped myself laughing – on the inside.
The fundamentalists didn’t even seem to notice.
Boerwar @ #1915 Wednesday, January 25th, 2023 – 5:41 pm
The only excuse may be that such services were cut along with the Dept libraries
Centrellink or Services Australia did not have a library. They relied on FaHCsia or human services
Cronus says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:33 pm
Snappy Tom
“ BTW, in about a month Ms Snappy and I are relocating to Brisbane (south side, so not Duttonsville). Maybe we could consider some sort of Bludging long lunch…”
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Apologies for the delay, just out from a minor op (a bit groggy). A catch up sounds good and an early welcome to Brissie to you both. Dutton aside, it’s a nice lifestyle up here which explains our tolerance of the LNP (barely).
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Hope your recovery’s going OK!
Ms Snappy is a native of Brisbane but hasn’t lived in Qld since last century. Me? NSW country, born and bred. Had an interesting culture shock when I moved to Melbourne late last century…
Anyway, closer to the time, I’ll arrange with Mr Bowe to send my email address to you.
Oliver Sutton says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:41 pm
Snappy Tom
“ BTW, in about a month Ms Snappy and I are relocating to Brisbane (south side, so not Duttonsville).”
If you’ll pardon the pedantry, most of Duttonsville is beyond the border of Brisbane, in Moreton Region.
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Good thing, too.
Snappy Tom
The op went well thanks. Sounds fine and good luck with the move.
‘laughtong says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 6:04 pm
Boerwar @ #1915 Wednesday, January 25th, 2023 – 5:41 pm
LOL… deBurgh does not seem to have noticed a media storm around his area of responsibility. This defies credibility.
All SES have access to media clippings or the like on a daily basis.
The first job in the morning is to answer the question: ‘Does the general manager or the secretary need to be advised?’ and/or ‘Does the minister need to be briefed about the contents of such and such an article?’
The only excuse may be that such services were cut along with the Dept libraries
Centrellink or Services Australia did not have a library. They relied on FaHCsia or human services’
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True. Regardless. Job No 1 is to scan the MSM and sending up the U flag as required.
Snappy moving to Brisbane. And the Southside too! What a guy!!
Rossmcg: “Is this man a mushroom?”
He’s certainly coming across as a toad’s tool …
Tudge visited my school about four years ago and I provided him with an unsolicited character judgement re Robotdebt. The prick has not been back since.
OS
I’ll pay that
“Griff says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:51 pm
zoomster @ Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:07 pm
Thorpe: “Labor has asserted through our negotiations that Sovereignty isn’t impacted. It’s not enough. It needs to be explicit.”
This might be a sticking point. I wonder what Thorpe will accept.”
I guess that she will only accept the ALP abandoning their current “plicit” position in order to become an “ex”… Surely that’s clear enough?
Correct me if I’m wrong.
I’ve barely followed much politics over the last couple of months.
It seems the Voice vote is coming up soon.
I feel as though there’s poor messaging/confusing messaging right now and that’s causing a lot of people to not want to vote yes (as evidenced by the noticeable shift from yes to no in the recent poll)? On top of this, the change the date rallies will soon take place and not a lot of people appear to be in support of changing the date (maybe I’m wrong – I personally am happy to change the date, I’ve just seen more support for the voice rather than changing the date). I can see this deterring some people from wanting to vote yet. Does anybody think this vote is going to fail miserably and potentially end Albo if it does? I hope not – I’m not sure why he didn’t get on top of this while public support was high in the 60s.
Mr Mysterious
Nice little concern trolling effort there.
Boerwar
I’m not trolling. Polls a few months ago showed support for the voice at being mid 60 percent to now being mid to high 40s. You don’t think that is concerning?
Rex Douglas @ Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 6:02 pm
“Griff @ #1921 Wednesday, January 25th, 2023 – 5:51 pm
zoomster @ Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:07 pm
Thorpe: “Labor has asserted through our negotiations that Sovereignty isn’t impacted. It’s not enough. It needs to be explicit.”
This might be a sticking point. I wonder what Thorpe will accept.”
You sound like a used car salesman.”
You got me bang to rights. I am definitely trying to negotiate until Lidia Thorpe is on board to promote YES for the Voice referendum!
And why the gendered language? Normally you are as pure as the driven snow 😉
The leaders who are likely to go after the voice vote this year
Will be National party leader David LittleProud and Liberal party leader Peter Dutton
Mr Mysterious says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 6:25 pm
Boerwar
I’m not trolling. Polls a few months ago showed support for the voice at being mid 60 percent to now being mid to high 40s. You don’t think that is concerning?
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I’ve seen recent polls quoted here with Yes support at 47% (recent weeks) and 53% (late last year).
Of further note is that Undecided was 30 and 29 respectively. Thus No was tiny.
My understanding is the referendum date isn’t yet set and may be months away (August?)
Dutton and Thorpe will have to work hard to torpedo the Voice.
Mr Mysterious @ Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 6:21 pm
It has the risk of ending Bandt.
Thorpe has, at various times, demanded the following as her price for supporting the Yes referendum:
1. Passing of the UNDRIP implementation Bill.
2. Implementation of all recommendations of the RCDIAC.
3. Statement by the Albanese Government that First Nations have not ceded sovereignty.
4. Progress on Makarrata.
5. Progress on the Treaty.
Further, Thorpe has described the referendum as:
1. A joke.
2. A waste.
Further, Thorpe has informed the Greens decision-making body, whatever that is, that she will not support the referendum unless some or all of the above are met. I am not clear on this. Having announced this, she has now cleared the Greens process hurdle for being able to not support the Yes.
Labor and the Greens will cobble together a face saver for Bandt that enables the Fed Greens to formally adopt a position of supporting the referendum.
It leaves Bandt in a position that the Greens official spokesperson on Indigenous Affairs is in furious disagreement with the vast majority of the Greens members and with the Greens formal position on the Yes.
This whole process has given some nice oxygen to Dutton’s strategy of muddying the waters. The Greens’ declaration of War on the Commonwealth and state and territory governments may need some tidying up.
“Mr Mysterious says:
Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 6:21 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong.”
Re: Support for the Yes option at the Voice referendum.
From the SMH (24 January 2023):
“But an exclusive survey for this masthead shows 60 per cent of voters would back the Voice if forced to answer only “yes” or “no” in a choice akin to a referendum (with no “undecided” option), although this has fallen from 64 per cent over four months.”
A fall of 4% is not a real fall, and I would be more than happy with 60% support for the Voice at the referendum.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/support-for-voice-slips-as-voters-await-more-detail-20230123-p5cenw.html
But I agree that the Government should start a media campaign of information about the Voice referendum asap, and continue it until the day we vote. The “No” camp will strongly rely on “lack of information”, “if you don’t know what to do, just vote no and keep everything as it is”, “this is a jump into the unknown, don’t risk it”… and more crap along those lines.
Snappy Tom
Thank you for engaging with my post.
If it’s not until August, I guess that makes sense. A lot can happen before then. I found the poll I was referring to. It was a poll carried out by Essential in August 2022 – 65% yes, 35% no.
Hoping yes wins, but we’ll see.
Mr M
LOL. Your post is such an obvious concern troll post. Did you use AI or is it all your own ‘work’?You need to get your act together.