The Australian reports what sounds like it will be the last Newspoll for the year has come in with the two-party preferred unchanged at 55-45 in favour of Labor 39% (up one), Coalition 35% (steady), Greens 11% (steady), One Nation 6% and United Australia Party 1%. Anthony Albanese’s approval rating is up three to a new high of 62% and down four on disapproval to 29%, and his lead over Peter Dutton as preferred prime minister has blown out from 54-27 to 59-24. Peter Dutton is respectively down three to 36% and one to 45%. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1508.
In further federal polling news, I missed that Essential Research has snuck out its first set of voting intention numbers since the election, which it will hopefully now resume reporting regularly. Without excluding a 6% undecided component, this showed primary votes of Labor 33%, Coalition 31%, Greens 13% and others 6%, with the “2PP+” measure at Labor 51%, Coalition 43% and undecided 6%. The poll was conducted November 23 to 29 from a sample of 1042.
Note also the post immediately below from Adrian Beaumont on the US Senate run-off election for Georgia, which will unfold over the coming week.
Look at the hounding and attempted trashing of the reputations of Gillard and Shorten in past RCs. No latitude was given even though Shorten, like Scomo, was still in parliament.
___________
The RC that got into Shorten did reveal a 40k donation from Unibilt that Shorten had failed to disclose?
Why did he fail to disclose it?
Perhaps because Unbilt was a Labour hire company supposedly an enemy of the unions. But they were close to Shorten and involved in some of his ‘deals’.
On Labor v Teals I have a clear memory of Holmes a Court being asked at the press club if he wasn’t running an ALP front organisation why were the independents he was supporting only running in Liberal-held seats.
It was a recurring theme in the media then from hacks didn’t really understand what the independents were mostly about.
His answer? If Australia had had a Labor government as bad as the LNP had been for nine years there would be independents running in Labor seats.
And therein lies the lesson for Labor. Ignore your constituency at your peril.
sprocket – didn’t miss, typed in the wrong year!
sprocket_ says:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:02 pm
Zoom, you missed:
VIC 2022 -Greens 11.5%
Primary Per William’s tally
中华人民共和国
Well they are consistent.
the only actual labor mp the roil comition could find any rong doing against was seazar melhim dont think he got re elected think he was part of somyureks group but when he lost his preselection the abc and age reported saying the somyurek group would distroy andrews and andrews must save there preselections desbite melhim being chargedwith riping of his members
”
zoomstersays:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:58 pm
Vic 2006 – Greens 10%
Vic 2010 – Greens 11.2%
Vic 2014 – Greens 11.5%
Vic 2018 – Greens 10.7%
Vic 2011 – Greens 11.5%
”
Unless otherwise Greens, who lived/ living in other Victorian electorates, are moving into electorates like Preston, Footscray, Northcote, the Greens vote seems almost static.
A protestor jailed for disrupting our way of live protesting about the greatest existential threat to our way of life. Oh the conundrum!
Vic 2006 – Greens 0 seats
Vic 2010 Greens 0 seats
Vic 2014 Greens 2 seats
Vic 2018 Greens 3 seats
Vic 2022 Greens 4 seats
mikehilliard @ #910 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 7:07 pm
Howard moulded our boomer class into self-interested elitists.
‘mikehilliard says:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:07 pm
A protestor jailed for disrupting our way of live protesting about the greatest existential threat to our way of life. Oh the conundrum!’
———————-
You would be talking about the thousands of Cookers who disrupted out way of life for weeks on end here in the best kept secret in the Nation. They were disruptive. Bloody hell, they were disruptive. They blocked roads. They swaggered around town with loud mouths and without face masks, waving flags in our faces.
Fearing that the Deep State had captured one of their own they organized a comprehensive denial of service attack on Canberra Hospital’s phone lines. It turns out that this person had had a seizure and Canberra’s health system had saved his life.
And the Cookers knew they were right, just like Coco knew she was right.
Apart from a couple who had outstanding warrants, the AFP left the Cookers to their own devices. No-one was martyred. Not a Coco in sight.
BW
They won’t lock up their base.
has there been any indication that Coco might appeal her conviction or the sentence. Seems like a live option given that the law is pretty new.
Apropos of nothing in particular (and Scummo in particular), I give you old Tom Waits (and emus): “God’s Away On Business”.
AJM
I heard on the Drum that she’s appealing in March. Still gets 4 months in the slammer though.
‘mikehilliard says:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:14 pm
BW
They won’t lock up their base.’
——————-
LOL
I’m all for CoCo protesting, and getting publicity for the cause, by gluing herself to artwork at Sydney Modern, bike locking her head to Macquarie Street Parliament fence, even painting slogans on the sails of the Opera House. All would get covered by the media pack which frequents the inner city.
Read last night Coco Chanel was a Nazi collaborator and shacked up with an Abwher Officer for the duration.
Wow, one seat in five years.
zoomster @ #889 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 6:44 pm
This is precisely the sense of entitlement that is the reason both major parties are losing votes.
Long may it continue.
How do you compare the inconvenience caused by Coco to the inconvenience caused to the thousands of dead people caused by Perottet and his government and their let it rip Covid policy.
The dis junction in our society is sickening.
Upnorth says:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:25 pm
Read last night Coco Chanel was a Nazi collaborator and shacked up with an Abwher Officer for the duration.
________
You might be interested in this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2a4G5f-hU
P1
No, it’s a mixture of maths and democracy.
nath says:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:31 pm
Upnorth says:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:25 pm
Read last night Coco Chanel was a Nazi collaborator and shacked up with an Abwher Officer for the duration.
________
You might be interested in this
中华人民共和国
Damn easy to get cancelled when you’re alive! When I meet Buddha I reckon I will be erased not cancelled but liked the link Nath me old China.
Richmond is such a sweet gain. The original heartland of the ALP, the suburbs of Richmond, Collingwood and Fitzroy.
Henry @ #576 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 7:25 pm
I know, right? 🙄
On the jail sentence for Coco and the extinction protesters on Sydney Harbour Bridge, I am not a lawyer and do not know how the sentence sits in the available range.
However I think the bridge protest was a big mistake. I opposed it.
In the past I have expressed support for protests like that outside a former SA MPs office that were controversial. However I see a world of difference between making life hard for one of the political figures actively opposing climate change action, and making life hard for the general public who often have little choice in how they get to work.
Ambulances could have been delayed by that protest. A basic ethical rule is do no harm. I don’t think the organisers of this protest thought it through.
I have a similar view of the attacks on art works. Surely that is a complete non-sequiter. What has art got to do with climate change? Nothing I’d say. This is just deliberately choosing targets to gain maximum attention, regardless of whether involving them is morally justifiable.
So I remain opposed to climate change, and support strong action to fight it. But strong does not mean blind or reactionary actions. You don’t get a free pass on ethics for protesting an ethical issue.
Rossmcg says:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:05 pm
On Labor v Teals I have a clear memory of Holmes a Court being asked at the press club if he wasn’t running an ALP front organisation why were the independents he was supporting only running in Liberal-held seats.
————————
The thing the media has chosen to ignore about Simon Holmes a Court is he was a Liberal Party member until he fell out with Frydenberg over the need to take climate change seriously.
Watching The Greens’ march to majority government, nay the Balance of Power in any government bar the ACT anywhere, is like watching Slow TV 😀
https://youtu.be/hvHK4yZNXpk
You eventually end up with White Line Fever.
Mexicanbeemer @ #585 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 7:54 pm
Winning Kooyong must have been the sweetest victory of all. 🙂
Socrates @ #926 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 6:51 pm
If it is the only way to wake the public up to an existential threat I think the balance is tipped a fair bit.
The majority, if not all, of the current TEALS will, in the future vote with the Liberal Party in circumstances of hung parliament. They will leverage their position appropriately to get concessions from the Liberals and there job will be done. The only solid party which would support Labor in a hung Parliament would be the Greens. It would be nice if they would occassionally pick up a Liberal held seat.
I only got to view around 15 minutes of the Robodebt RC today, so I’m not speaking with much knowledge. That said, as I understand Renwick’s argument, cabinet-in-confidence documents should be revealed so as share the responsibility for this illegal scheme. I think Renwick’s point is well made.
And while he presents as arrogant as his client, it matters not.
ahm
“If it is the only way to wake the public up to an existential threat I think the balance is tipped a fair bit.”
That isn’t how ethics works. The more important the cause, the more regrettable it is to act in a counter-productive way.
It were ‘er uncle as dunnit:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/06/violet-coco-nsw-minister-voted-for-laws-used-to-jail-his-niece-for-15-months-over-climate-protest
Apologies if others are already aware of it, but I have started listening to a BBC podcast on the life of Putin, which explains a lot about the background to his life, thinking, and reasons for current actions.
It is here. 11 x 30 min episodes. Well researched by experts in contemporary Russia.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0015nfd/episodes/guide
Mavis says:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:04 pm
I only got to view around 15 minutes of the Robodebt RC today, so I’m not speaking with much knowledge. That said, as I understand Renwick’s argument, cabinet-in-confidence documents should be revealed so as share the responsibility for this illegal scheme. I think Renwick’s point is well made.
And while he presents as arrogant as his client, it matters not.
**********
It just strikes me as perverse for the position of Renwick SC to be that the Royal Commission should treat his client as a ‘defendant’, to quote the learned counsel, on trial. It’s not the sort of concession of possibly criminal behaviour by his client that I was expecting.
Not sure is anyone has posted this analysis by Possum from 2009. Unfortunately the charts are missing but it is uncannily similar to the Australian Election Study recently published -looks like the Libs are toast – the conventional wisdom about people voting more conservative as they age is wrong https://www.crikey.com.au/2009/05/18/generation-blue-coalition-mortality-and-electoral-decline/
Bennelong Lurker:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:36 pm
[‘I am so ancient that I have found myself wondering, as I observe some of the senior public servants at the RC, what people like Nugget Coombs and Jack Crawford would have thought of them and their approach to their functions.’]
I take it you’re not referring to the tennis great Jack Crawford.
The Cabinet in Confidence nature of the Robodebt documents will hardly reflect matters of national security so no big deal in releasing.
The modern obsession with the sancity of classified documents is a puzzle to me. It’s worse than a lot of it comes from the Left.
Socrates @ #933 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 7:08 pm
It would be nice if conflict could always be resolved without actual struggle and struggle often results in ethically ambiguous situations. Ask the Ukrainians
andrewmck:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:12 pm
[‘It just strikes me as perverse for the position of Renwick SC to be that the Royal Commission should treat his client as a ‘defendant’, to quote the learned counsel, on trial. It’s not the sort of concession of possibly criminal behaviour by his client that I was expecting.’]
A Freudian slip perhaps?
Just received an electricity rates increase note from my electricity supplier (SA, supplier rhymes with NoMerd)
Peak: was 33c/kWh. Now 62.15c
Off peak: was 19.8c. Now 47.85c
Shoulder: was 9.9c. Now 47.85c
Well this is going to make things awkward
ajm
“It would be nice if conflict could always be resolved without actual struggle and struggle often results in ethically ambiguous situations. Ask the Ukrainians”
Once more with the non-sequiter. Not clear how Ukraine defending itself justifies blocking a bridge in another country. You are free to have your own opinion, and I won’t try to change your mind, but I do not find your reasoning compatible with any ethical theories I am familiar with.
Historyintime:
Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:22 pm
[‘The modern obsession with the sancity of classified documents is a puzzle to me. It’s worse than a lot of it comes from the Left.’]
It’s not modern. It has a well-established history & utility.
https://apple.news/ANKH9RwlpTxGpxiV3Sur-xw
Hmmm, former PM+ now arguing there was a team?
There’s no i in team.
Socrates @ #936 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 8:11 pm
Bookmarked for the holidays. Thanks, Soc. 🙂
Ven @ #901 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 5:56 pm
I’ll give him half a point on this one. I think technically his original remarks were about terminating only the specific parts of the Constitution that prevent him from being handed the presidency. Deplorable, as always. But the media ran that as Trump saying the entire document should be terminated. Slightly misleading. But only slightly.
Anyways, why is he not in jail already?
Scott Morrison didn’t have a Cabinet, he had a rubber stamp.
Eston Kohver @ #941 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 8:25 pm
There are several suppliers in Adelaide that will provide you with a single rate contract around 37c/kwh. Try OVO. http://www.ovoenergy.com.au/
Socrates @ #943 Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 – 7:30 pm
So you’re happy with the planet becoming uninhabitabke because everyone complied with a set of ethics. It’s actually that stark.