Miscellany: leadership approval and JSCEM (open thread)

Stable personal ratings for Anthony Albanese; election staffing concerns at the AEC; and a call for more territory Senators.

The flood of polling in the week after the budget is inevitably followed in the week after that. Here’s all I have:

• The tracking poll of Anthony Albanese’s personal ratings maintained by US pollster Morning Consult records no significant change, with Albanese starting November on 57% approval and 30% disapproval, down one and up two from the start of October.

• As reported by Anna Macdonald at The Mandarin, Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers told the Joint Standing Committe on Electoral Matters the commission was struggling to attract staff at election time due to low pay and “bizarre behaviour” at polling places. Specifically, Rogers said the May federal election was marked by “people coming into the polling place and recording interactions with our staff, shouting at our staff, and some fairly bizarre behaviour that we haven’t seen previously”.

• Independent ACT Senator David Pocock has made a submission to the inquiry calling for the two territories to have six Senators serving six-year terms on the same staggered cycle that applies to the rest of the Senate, as distinct from the current situation where they have two Senators each whose terms are tied to the House.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Rex Douglas @ #95 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 9:33 am

    brett @ #77 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 10:55 am

    Pocock wants to take some time and be sure that he’s doing his new job as well as he can.

    We have enough Senators that are only there because of their party brand. They don’t have to think for themselves so it only takes them five seconds to work out how they’re going to vote.

    I think it’s a healthy sign that Pocock is taking his responsibility seriously and given the alternative (Zed) I think we can all afford to wait and see.

    There’s no point in making an enemy of a potential ally who isn’t going to agree on every point when the alternative is a hard no at every turn.

    They could take a lesson from Vic Labor who have maintained a great relationship with the non-cooker members of the crossbench.

    Are you calling the Greens, cookers? 😆

  2. At least the Coalition is not hypocritical in this matter. They WANT real wages to tank.

    The Xbenchers? Two Bob Each Way Mit Waffles.

    Any Xbencher whinging, squealing and whining about workers being unable to meet the COL after this is now shown up for what it is: two-faced populist pandering.

  3. Barney in Cherating says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:40 pm

    Rex Douglas @ #95 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 9:33 am

    Are you calling the Greens, cookers?
    中华人共和国
    “Kookbabblers” I believe is the correct term.

  4. I just caught up with this story about the behavior of AAT members. That body has needed a clean-out for many years. I can’t think of a better reason to do it.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-08/attorney-general-seeks-meeting-with-aat-about-allegations/101626828

    If the AAT won’t clean up its own act, it should be replaced by a more accountable body.

    Poroti

    Thanks for those graphs on profit share and worker wages. Sadly predictable. US data on profit share is funny. Some firms in industries like IT really do reward staff well. But other whole industries like retail are abysmal.

  5. Rex Douglas says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:37 pm
    Cronus @ #64 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 10:28 am

    Boerwar says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 9:33 am
    Real wages are tanking. Pocock is standing in the way of reforms that would help reverse that. Pocock did NOT promise to support employer IR interests but that is what he is doing.
    Lambie has outed herself as profoundly anti-union.
    Those voting for Xbenchers are voting for delay, stunts, look-at-moi noise and bosses’ stooges.
    ———————————————————————————————-

    It’s ironic that those who spruik themselves as being of the people are not necessarily for the people.
    32% Labor has no right to throw tantrums when asked to negotiate their legislation.
    ——————————————————————————————-

    So all you are actually saying there is that the only party that truly cares about workers wages and rights is the ALP. Nothing to do with tantrums. If your party wants to disenfranchise workers Rex then fine but at least be up front about it. Only one party it seems can lay claim to being unambiguously for working Australians. Some might’ve expected the same from Greens and Independents but it seems they’d be wrong.

  6. Cronus @ #106 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 1:08 pm

    Rex Douglas says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:37 pm
    Cronus @ #64 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 10:28 am

    Boerwar says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 9:33 am
    Real wages are tanking. Pocock is standing in the way of reforms that would help reverse that. Pocock did NOT promise to support employer IR interests but that is what he is doing.
    Lambie has outed herself as profoundly anti-union.
    Those voting for Xbenchers are voting for delay, stunts, look-at-moi noise and bosses’ stooges.
    ———————————————————————————————-

    It’s ironic that those who spruik themselves as being of the people are not necessarily for the people.
    32% Labor has no right to throw tantrums when asked to negotiate their legislation.
    ——————————————————————————————-

    So all you are actually saying there is that the only party that truly cares about workers wages and rights is the ALP. Nothing to do with tantrums. If your party wants to disenfranchise workers Rex then fine but at least be up front about it. Only one party it seems can lay claim to being unambiguously for working Australians. Some might’ve expected the same from Greens and Independents but it seems they’d be wrong.

    32% Labor can’t expect to get everything all their own way. Throwing tantys won’t help.

  7. A FICAC should be joined by a federal judicial commission – the lack of a body to deal with allegations against federal judges has been an issue since at least 1986 with Lionel Murphy

  8. “ Mr Guy’s reputation as a political conservative appears out of step in a state where Mr Andrews’ social progressivism appeals. As the loss of blue-ribbon seats to teal independents at the May federal election showed, Victoria is no longer the Liberal Party’s jewel in the crown. Hence, while the state Liberal Party might win back two or three of the seats lost to Labor in the 2018 “Dan-slide” election, it is also being challenged by Climate 200-funded teal candidates in two or three leafy Melbourne electorates.”

    Begrudgingly even the AFR acknowledges the obvious in the Victorian election.

    Paywalled https://www.afr.com/politics/love-him-or-loathe-him-dan-remains-dominant-in-victoria-20221106-p5bvy4

  9. Rex Douglas says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:20 pm

    Here’s Somyurek trying on the scam by chasing the Sky cooker vote.

    Honestly, who’d fall for this ..?
    ____________
    He was on the National Executive of the Labor Party not long ago. Going Full Latham.

  10. Rex

    “ 32% Labor can’t expect to get everything all their own way. Throwing tantys won’t help.”

    You must do better, exhibitions of repetitive puerility are beginning to define you, do you realise that? Engage in discussion on PB or join Twitter.

  11. Cronus says:

    You must do better, exhibitions of repetitive puerility are beginning to define you, do you realise that? Engage in discussion on PB or join Twitter.
    ___________
    Rex is far from the worst in that regard. Direct your horror at repetition towards Borewar. Or historically, Briefly, who probably holds many records.

  12. Having been dudded by the national selectors in the T20 cricket comp, the selectors now recycle Marcus Harris (age older than batting average) for the soft opponents, West Indies?

  13. Rex at 12.51 pm

    Yes, the lockdowns worked.

    Remember the comedy skit from Sammy G in Federation era costume? Too easily forgotten.

    The expert advice was that more than vaccination would be needed to manage the health challenges of Omicron well.

    Yet, in contrast, every other jurisdiction has followed the Perrottet nonchalance about the serious health risks of Covid.

    Third dose vaccination rates in Australia are worse than in most of Europe, except for WA and ACT. Masks are reportedly being worn more regularly in Italy than in Melbourne or other Australian capitals.

    The per capita death rate from Covid in Victoria is now worse than Norway. And the level of public awareness about Covid has slipped badly as the new wave of Omicron is growing.

  14. “ Reserve Bank boss Phil Lowe will be somewhat frustrated as he casts an eye over Westpac’s latest profit result, which clearly shows that the bank’s 12.7 million customers are pretty unfazed by this year’s rapid-fire rate rises.”
    “ Westpac’s results show very few signs that the big jump in the Reserve Bank’s cash rate – from 0.1 per cent in April to 2.85 per cent at present – is causing much financial stress. Indeed, Australian consumers and businesses are in the best financial condition they’ve been since 2018, well before the Covid-19 pandemic struck.”

    Exactly the point of been making for months. In which case dribbling 0.25% rate rises will do little for many months or longer other than extend the pain.

    Paywalled https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/the-challenge-for-the-reserve-bank-in-westpac-s-result-20221106-p5bvwk

  15. nath says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:31 pm
    Cronus says:

    You must do better, exhibitions of repetitive puerility are beginning to define you, do you realise that? Engage in discussion on PB or join Twitter.
    ___________
    Rex is far from the worst in that regard. Direct your horror at repetition towards Borewar. Or historically, Briefly, who probably holds many records.
    ———————————————————————————————

    Boerwar engages with justification and explanation (whether we agree with him or not), he doesn’t simply repeat puerile single sentences or deflect due to an intellectually inferior base argument.

  16. Cronus says:

    Boerwar engages with justification and explanation (whether we agree with him or not), he doesn’t simply repeat puerile single sentences or deflect due to an intellectually inferior base argument.
    _________
    No it’s just because you agree with him.

  17. Rex Douglas should be fair to Labor , that the 32% primary vote was the highest primary vote for any political party received at the 2022 federal election

  18. Cronus @ #121 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 1:38 pm

    nath says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:31 pm
    Cronus says:

    You must do better, exhibitions of repetitive puerility are beginning to define you, do you realise that? Engage in discussion on PB or join Twitter.
    ___________
    Rex is far from the worst in that regard. Direct your horror at repetition towards Borewar. Or historically, Briefly, who probably holds many records.
    ———————————————————————————————

    Boerwar engages with justification and explanation (whether we agree with him or not), he doesn’t simply repeat puerile single sentences or deflect due to an intellectually inferior base argument.

    But you’ve hit on the reason nath backs Rex Douglas. They are birds of a feather. 🙂

  19. Katharine Murphy
    @murpharoo
    ·
    9m
    Q: When

    Ed Husic

    calls these gas producers greedy, tone deaf, milking gas prices? Is that a fair observation to make?

    @MadeleineMHKing
    “It is not the kind of language I would use.”

    #auspol

    Ok, it’s time Albo showed some authority got his cabinet under control. Division is death.

  20. nath says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:48 pm
    Cronus says:

    Boerwar engages with justification and explanation (whether we agree with him or not), he doesn’t simply repeat puerile single sentences or deflect due to an intellectually inferior base argument.
    _________
    No it’s just because you agree with him.
    ———————————————————————————————

    Sometimes, even often I do, but then how do you explain then that as recently as yesterday I gave a “+1” to one of Rex’s comments. IMO I treat every worthwhile comment on its merit, regardless of whom the author is.

  21. I admit it, the words coming from the character Rex Douglas are generally soothing to me. Although he is far too supportive of Dan Andrews for my liking. And a Carlton supporter, which almost make him a mortal enemy. Despite that I respect his opinion.

  22. Scott says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:48 pm

    Rex Douglas should be fair to Labor , that the 32% primary vote was the highest primary vote for any political party received at the 2022 federal election
    中华人民共和国
    So the Greens would be a “minority” of the “minority”?

  23. Cronus says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:52 pm

    Sometimes, even often I do, but then how do you explain then that as recently as yesterday I gave a “+1” to one of Rex’s comments.
    ______
    Hell, even I agree with some of the comments that spew forth from the torrential Borewar.

  24. So, if US voters actually go through with abandoning democracy for a fascist dictatorship, should we maintain ties with them or become a genuinely neutral player …?

  25. Yes, Rex at least does not get himself tied up in the contortions of the “my party right or wrong” brigade…except when it comes to Dan Andrews.

  26. Stephen Koukoulas @TheKouk

    News of an economic slowdown is going from a trickle to a flood. Even before the RBA hikes took effect.
    Retail sales have stalled, sentiment is gloomy.
    Biz confidence, the mainstay of the economy in 2023, is off its highs
    The end of the RBA hiking cycle is near

  27. Am i dreaming , The corrupt lib/nats who majority are anti-climate change and had former leader who called climate change crap , and the current leader who mocked the pacific islands about climate change ,

    are now trying to claim they are concerned for the climate

  28. Rex Douglas @ #125 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 10:51 am

    Katharine Murphy
    @murpharoo
    ·
    9m
    Q: When

    Ed Husic

    calls these gas producers greedy, tone deaf, milking gas prices? Is that a fair observation to make?

    @MadeleineMHKing
    “It is not the kind of language I would use.”

    #auspol

    Ok, it’s time Albo showed some authority got his cabinet under control. Division is death.

    What’s the problem?

    Is she disagseeing with him?

  29. Cronus @ #119 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 1:34 pm

    Westpac’s results show very few signs that the big jump in the Reserve Bank’s cash rate – from 0.1 per cent in April to 2.85 per cent at present – is causing much financial stress. Indeed, Australian consumers and businesses are in the best financial condition they’ve been since 2018, well before the Covid-19 pandemic struck.”

    Exactly the point of been making for months. In which case dribbling 0.25% rate rises will do little for many months or longer other than extend the pain.

    Holdenhillbilly @ #134 Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 – 2:14 pm

    Stephen Koukoulas @TheKouk

    News of an economic slowdown is going from a trickle to a flood. Even before the RBA hikes took effect.
    Retail sales have stalled, sentiment is gloomy.
    Biz confidence, the mainstay of the economy in 2023, is off its highs
    The end of the RBA hiking cycle is near

    Who to believe? Such blunt weapons, wielded by blindfolded persons with no imagination, and one track minds.

  30. Shellbell

    “A FICAC should be joined by a federal judicial commission – the lack of a body to deal with allegations against federal judges has been an issue since at least 1986 with Lionel Murphy”

    Thanks and that makes sense. The behaviour of some recent FWC court appointees comes to mind as well.

    I take it that a judicial commission would include AAT appointees in its remit? If so how long would it take to set up?

    One more thing before I forget – in a nation that trains thousands of lawyers per year, is there any requirement for a judge or AAT appointment to have a degree in law? Should there be?

  31. Socrates

    “I take it that a judicial commission would include AAT appointees in its remit? If so how long would it take to set up?”

    It should do. There is a template in NSW which they can use although the process here is slow even once implemented and its end point, in the absence of a resignation, is a judge or magistrate appearing before the houses of parliament to state their case.

    (Trigger warning – good looking guy in photo)

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/respected-nsw-magistrate-brian-maloney-has-died/news-story/8472032ef4e9027cf8951ffa5478ee2f

  32. sterl should have been managed out when he joined with the cfmeu to defend john setca when albanese cicked him oveout whiy the alp kept him at the labor party re preselected him last election doesnt make sence

  33. Holdenhillbilly

    I’m by no means certain of the Kouk’s sentiments, they seem to contradict a lot of the statistics. The link below is a good one if you can access it. I’d be interested on your interpretation of Maley’s article.

    “ Cronus says:
    Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:34 pm
    “ Reserve Bank boss Phil Lowe will be somewhat frustrated as he casts an eye over Westpac’s latest profit result, which clearly shows that the bank’s 12.7 million customers are pretty unfazed by this year’s rapid-fire rate rises.”
    “ Westpac’s results show very few signs that the big jump in the Reserve Bank’s cash rate – from 0.1 per cent in April to 2.85 per cent at present – is causing much financial stress. Indeed, Australian consumers and businesses are in the best financial condition they’ve been since 2018, well before the Covid-19 pandemic struck.”

    Exactly the point of been making for months. In which case dribbling 0.25% rate rises will do little for many months or longer other than extend the pain.

    Paywalled https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/the-challenge-for-the-reserve-bank-in-westpac-s-result-20221106-p5bvwk

  34. yabba
    Agreed, they can’t both be right, somebody is terribly wrong.
    My own take is that there has been so much money saved over the past two years that it’ll take another 8-12 months to wash through during which time people will continue to spend. It also means they have money to pay higher bills (energy). This will diminish chances of inflation dropping.

    I take no comfort whatsoever from the fact that apparently many of the economic experts know little more than some of us here on PB.

    “ Consumer confidence has plunged below the levels seen during the global financial crisis, causing a record number of households to slash their Christmas spending plans.”

    So they expect me to believe consumer confidence is plunging while they’re actually spending at rates similar or above 2018?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-08/consumer-confidence-plunges-below-gfc-lows-christmas-scrooge/101628696

  35. News of an economic slowdown is going from a trickle to a flood. Even before the RBA hikes took effect.
    Retail sales have stalled, sentiment is gloomy.
    Biz confidence, the mainstay of the economy in 2023, is off its highs
    The end of the RBA hiking cycle is near

    RBAs mission to kill businesses and jobs is almost coming to an end!
    Really interested to see how much inflation will be shaved off by doing that!

  36. as well as getting rid of the aat the government should find a way of geting rid of federal court judge salvadooor v asta he has had some good cansis but several warnings and sometimes if he dislikes the person hedoes not liston as an extreme cathlick in a family law matter he ordered the family baptise there chield as cathlick desbiteniver pairent requesting this he is the brother of qld mp ros vasta and was appointed buy brandis who is triying to re invent him self as a [ pompis columist desbit beeing the worst aterney

  37. if somyurek hated dan andrews so much whiy did he serve in his cabenit twice he seems one of the most nasty mps to ever says he aposis ceruption when he branch stacked

  38. Excellent move


    Republicans are panicking as the NBA announces that it will drive its millions of their “woke” fans to the voting booth on Tuesday by holding “GOTV” games today and they are cancelling all Election Day games so that its fans can go vote. RT TO THANK THE NBA!

  39. i thank people are being very unfair on rex yes as alabor often disagree but there is a ppoaster that repetaivkly attacks the greens and for the bigest tantrum thrown that would have to be the vandictive somyurek who is turned in to a n other latham allmost as crasy as bernie finn probaly whiy there joining together

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