The Age/Herald has published the second of what hopefully looks like being a regular monthly federal polling series, showing Labor down three points on the primary vote 39%, the Coalition up four to 32%, the Greens down two to 10%, One Nation up one to 6% and the United Australia Party steady on 2%. Based on preferences from the May election, this suggests a Labor two-party lead of 57-43, in from 61-39 last time. Anthony Albanese’s combined good plus very good rating is down one to 60% and his poor plus very poor rating is up two to 24%. Peter Dutton is respectively down two to 28% and up three to 40%, and his deficit on preferred prime minister has narrowed from 55-17 to 53-19.
The poll also finds 54-46 support for retaining the monarchy over becoming a republic in the event of a referendum, reversing a result from January. The late Queen’s “time as Australia’s head of state” was rated as good by 75% and poor by 5%, while David Hurley’s tenure as Governor-General was rated good by 30% and poor by 13%, with the remainder unsure or neutral. Forty-five per cent expect that King Charles III will perform well compared with 14% for badly. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1607.
Also out yesterday was the regular fortnightly release from Essential Research, which features the pollster’s monthly leadership ratings, though still nothing on voting intention. Its new method for gauging leadership invites respondents introduced last month is to rate the leaders on a scale from zero to ten, categorising scores of seven to ten as positive, zero to three as negative and four to six as neutral. Contra Resolve Strategic, this has Albanese’s positive rating up three to 46%, his negative rating down six to 17% and his neutral rating up three to 31%. Dutton’s is down three on positive to 23%, steady on negative at 34% and up four on negative to 34%.
The poll also gauged support for a republic, and its specification of an “Australian head of state” elicited a more positive response than for Resolve Strategic or Roy Morgan, with support at 43% and opposition at 37%, although this is the narrowest result from the pollster out of seven going back to January 2017, with support down one since June and opposition up three. When asked if King Charles III should be Australia’s head of state, the sample came down exactly 50-50. The late Queen posthumously records a positive rating of 71% and a negative rating of 8% and Prince William comes in at 64% and 10%, but the King’s ratings of 44% and 21% are only slightly better than those of Prince Harry at 42% and 22%. The September 22 public holiday has the support of 61%, but 48% consider the media coverage excessive, compared with 42% for about right and 10% for insufficient. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Monday from a sample of 1075.
The weekly Roy Morgan federal voting intention result, as related in threadbare form in its weekly update videos, gives Labor a lead of 54.5-45.5, out from 53.5-46.5 and the pollster’s strongest result for Labor since the election.
Finally, some resolution to recent by-election coverage:
• Saturday’s by-election for the Western Australian state seat of North West Central produced a comfortable win for Nationals candidate Merome Beard in the absence of a candidate from Labor, who polled 40.2% in the March 2021 landslide and fell 1.7% short after preferences. Beard leads Liberal candidate Will Baston with a 9.7% margin on the two-candidate preferred count, although the Nationals primary vote was scarcely changed despite the absence of Labor, while the Liberals were up from an abysmal 7.9% to 26.7%. The by-elections other remarkable feature was turnout – low in this electorate at the best of times, it currently stands at 42.2% of the enrolment with a mere 4490 formal votes cast, down from 73.8% and 7741 formal votes in 2021, with likely only a few hundred postals yet to come. Results have not been updated since Sunday, but continue to be tracked on my results page.
• A provisional distribution of preferences recorded Labor candidate Luke Edmunds winning the Tasmanian Legislative Council seat of Pembroke by a margin of 13.3%, out from 8.7% when the electorate last went to polls in May 2019. Labor’s primary vote was down from 45.2% to 39.5% in the face of competition from the Greens, who polled a solid 19.3% after declining to contest last time, while the Liberals were up to 28.8% from 25.3% last time, when a conservative independent polled 18.4%.
And this is what actual First Nations people say – whatever the 47% of the (almost certainly) 98% white people surveyed might believe —
‘Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have consistently called for self-determination, rather than symbolism, to make a real difference to their lives. A Voice to Parliament will give Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people agency to help inform decisions that impact their lives.
Current policy-making does not have a systematic process for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders to provide advice, meaning that policy is often made for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people rather than with them.
A Voice to Parliament, enshrined in the Constitution, would enable Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people to give advice to the Federal Parliament about laws and policies that impact them through a simplified policy making process and structural change.
This means that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are included in the law-making process, rather than having bureaucrats and politicians deciding what is best for them.
A Voice to Parliament, enshrined in the Australian Constitution, will deliver real and practical advice to Parliament and the Government on how laws and policies can best improve the lives of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.
When Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people who know and understand the best way to deliver real and practical change in their communities have a say through a Voice, we will finally be able to close the gap that still exists between Indigenous and Non-Indigenous Australians. This is why it is so important.’
https://fromtheheart.com.au/what-is-a-voice-to-parliament/
More than a bit condescending/patronising for anyone here to tell them they’ve got it wrong.
Boerwar
Hanson appears to be mainly against immigrants from: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka,.
Probably also Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, China.
All differences on skin, religion, but mainly- culture!
Boerwar at 5:08 pm
That was not what I meant but as turns out I misread the letter so it doesn’t matter what I meant, I got it wRONg.
‘poroti says:
Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00 pm
Boerwar at 4:42 pm
Did you like the part in that letter where only one sort of racism is to be condemned rather than all racism ? Rather ‘racist’ don’t you think ? ‘
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This might go to personal experience. I have been told to wette, ‘piss off home’ which was the Hanson phrase to which the Faruqi motion goes and which is labelled ‘anti-migrant’ and ‘racist’.
I have been told to ‘piss off home’. But I am white. As it were. So the proposition that Hanson’s phrase is automatically anti-racist may not quite fit the facts. IMO. Those who DO claim that it is racist are having difficulty saying just why it is racist. I remain curious on the matter – having a claim to some skin to the game in this space.
p
LOL. At least we are trying to figure it all out!
‘phylactella says:
Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:18 pm
Boerwar
Hanson appears to be mainly against immigrants from: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka,.
Probably also Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, China.
All differences on skin, religion, but mainly- culture!’
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This may be true but, IMO, that does not demonstrate that the phrase that Faruqi objects to is racist.
C@tmomma @ #1784 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 4:34 pm
The lottery was pulling birthdays from a barrel, publicised and described as being the selection method. There were 365 balls in the barrel. My birthday was in it too. The letter Bernie received said that he had been selected by that means. Sorry, Cat, but you are incorrect in this instance.
This is what the National Archives branch of the Australian Government says:
“Selective conscription meant that a certain number of 20-year-old Australian men would be chosen to serve in the Australian army. The process for choosing them was similar to a lottery. Numbered marbles, each representing a day of the year, were placed in a barrel. A predetermined number were then drawn individually and randomly by hand. If the number picked corresponded to the day of the year on which a person was born, they were required to present themselves for national service.”
Or be sent to gaol!!! You will note that the voting age at the time was 21.
https://www.naa.gov.au/learn/learning-resources/learning-resource-themes/war/vietnam-war/national-service-ballot-balls-conscription-lottery
Which direction is North, Cat?
I note that Rex has gone to ground. Usually a bad sign for the Rex position.
yabba
I have the feeling that those who were engaged in tertiary education could get their entry to the Army deferred until their studies were complete.
Is this true?
(My number did not come up. I remember the day well. Looking back, it was probably the most significantly kind thing that random chance ever did for me. I would have gone.)
Boerwar @ #1798 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 5:08 pm
You’re doing irrelevant technicalities. A person has no more choice in terms of being born in Pakistan than they do being born black, white, male, female, straight, gay, etc.. Nativist, racist, misogynist, hombophobic, etc. are all just the same side of the same coin.
Even if Hanson’s words don’t invoke race (this time around), they demonstrate the exact same prejudice and bigotry that underpins racism (and all the rest).
Nah just CBF going down the rabbit hole, old mate.
“More than a bit condescending/patronising for anyone here to tell them they’ve got it wrong.”
Ta for posting that link and extract zoom. I think its a pretty clear and rational laying out of some of the basic why’s of the Uluru Statement position on Voice, Treaty and Truth. It actually accounts for First Nations aspirations AS WELL as the current political landscape that we ALL have to work within.
ar
I am not sure what you mean here. You seem to be arguing that there is no actual evidence of racism in what Hanson said but you do seem to be arguing that what she said is wtte like racism and therefore should be treated like racism. Which is not the same thing at all.
In terms of whether ‘giving offence’ is the test here, then it could be argued that Faruqi gave considerable offence to a considerable number of Australians with her original words.
Rex
So. What is there to support Faruqui’s claim that Hanson’s statement was ‘racist’? I await your usual lucid exegesis.
Late Riser
I too had little exposure to HISTORY
Professor Timothy Snyder is lecturing first years on the history of Ukraine starting from ancient Athens and conducting a wide sweep through European history. Lecture 6 mentions Charlemagne and the Crusades
There are 6 lectures on YouTube so far. . . .
Lecture 1. https://youtu.be/bJczLlwp-d8
‘imacca says:
Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:25 pm
“More than a bit condescending/patronising for anyone here to tell them they’ve got it wrong.”’
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Classic whitefella stuff, actually. We know what is good for you. We know what you mean. Let us just fix it for you. With the icing of Bwana Bandt posturing righteous rage over the Hawthorn Allegations.
billie
Lesson No 1. Do not try to establish a nation state in an endless plain. There is nothing but pain in such a plan.
Old mate, I’ll leave you to your inner conflict…
Rex
I am not your old mate. I have no inner conflict on this matter. But it IS a classic Greens gambit to start talking about others’ mental health when the Greens have talked themselves into a corner.
Old pal, it amuses me that you are now trying to deflect.
Where is the racism in Hanson’s statement?
I recall I got called up when I had not fully completed university.
(And at the time I was attending anti-war demonstrations in Melbourne CBD).
Rex Douglas @ #1818 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 5:31 pm
Cutting and running, Rex Douglas? 🙂
For Luigi. William White enjoying his ‘conscientious objector’ status, and freedom from conscription. Four obese cops to deal with a 65kg teacher, who was not resisting.
Boerwar says:
“I have the feeling that those who were engaged in tertiary education could get their entry to the Army deferred until their studies were complete.
Is this true?”
Yes, that’s correct. The guy in the room/cell next to mine at Scheyville was a Dr – but a PhD kinda Dr; not a medico. He was quite proud of the fact that he had successfully deferred his callup for a decade with continuous study. He went on to gentle life as a teacher, subject master and head teacher of a fine school in Adelaide.
yabba at 5:39 pm
Jeebus,there really was a Russ Hinze cloning program after all.
Boerwar
One of the ironies of Dubyas war hungry crew was its being packed with Vietnam draft ‘avoidance specialists’.
Which direction is North, Cat?
Don’t be a smart arse, yabba. It doesn’t suit you. Hobbits don’t make good smart arses.
So, I’ll just have you know while you were ensconced in the comfort of Uni lecture halls, my late husband was having his nose smeared across his face by NSW Police who had removed their badges so they could beat protesters against the Vietnam War like him. This was at the same time that he was thrown into a plate glass window by Robin Askin’s thugs in blue uniforms.
So I got one thing wrong because I presumed that the system would be randomised to the extent that some on a particular day would be called up and others not. Big deal!
Oh well, I guess being comfortably ensconced in the University allowed you to develop your taste for the finer things in life unencumbered, instead of getting out to fight for the things you believe in, as others were doing at that time.
Bert,
Thanks for the heads-up. 🙂
Boerwar @ #1813 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 5:27 pm
Not at all. I’m saying Hanson’s words demonstrated the fundamental quality of racism, that being a negative prejudice against a group of people which overwhelmingly has involuntary birthright membership and no way to exit.
Racism, nativism, etc., etc., is all the same shit. I’m arguing that which one Hanson’s words get classified as makes no real difference in terms of how she should be treated.
Giving offence is neither here nor there. It’s more about expressing a viewpoint that’s in the same class of things as racism, or not. Classification goes by the logic (or lack thereof) behind what’s expressed, not whether it’s expressed in an offensive or disrespectful way.
You can frame racist sentiment in inoffensive language, or find a million ways to disrespect and upset someone without invoking their race, gender, etc.. Doesn’t make the latter thing worse than the former.
Thanks billie. I’ve been slowly working my way through these “Crash Course” presentations. They’re entertaining and, because I don’t know different, informative. I’ll take a look at the Snyder lectures too.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBDA2E52FB1EF80C9
ar
So you are saying that Hanson’s words must have been racist because of a general vibe.
But those words, wtte, have been directed at me. I am white.
So now there is a ‘class’ of words that must be racist even if they are not racist words.
Boerwar @ #1809 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 5:24 pm
In USyd case, if you joined the University Regiment, then you were deferred. Otherwise not.
This meant wasting time doing pointless things with WWII Lee-Enfield rifles in the company of people with whom one was unlikely to find much in common. Better than being forced to kill people for no reason, without a doubt (on my part, anyway).
The best out was to fail the medical. It’s not that hard to induce remarkably high blood pressure readings for a shortish period.
60 minutes USA
Former January 6 committee senior staffer Denver Riggleman says Mark Meadows’ text trove revealed a “roadmap to an attempted coup” cbsn.ws/3Sg2Jo3
yabba
I had never heard that there were university specific rules. First time. Could this be legal, even?
Victoria @ #1833 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 6:05 pm
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3660679-riggleman-says-mark-meadows-text-messages-reveal-roadmap-to-an-attempted-coup/
yabba says:
Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:05 pm
……The best out was to fail the medical…….
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That was me.
yabba your spot on again apart from recent AFL football. Ha
Boerwar @ #1830 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 6:03 pm
I’m saying treating Hanson as a racist would be treated is 100% fair enough, imo. Make of that what you will, I guess. 😐
Perhaps the speaker took you for some sort of Italian? 🙂
C@tmomma @ #1826 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 5:46 pm
Oh dear Cat! I was directly involved in organising the demonstrations, with Hall Greenland (a Fort St classmate), Peter B, George the Greek, Gareth, Hansen, and several fellow members of the SRC. I was trampled by police horses in the pillared entrance to the old Bank of NSW building in Martin Place, diagonally opposite the GPO, after marching from outside the uni Union building. I spent that night ensconced in Darlinghurst lockup.
You tend to presume too much, Cat, based on ‘facts’ which you dream up for yourself. I really do suggest that you ponder, which direction is North? It just, possibly, may not coincide with your assumption.
Egypt’s economy pushed to brink as one third of nation living in poverty
https://amp-abc-net-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101472574?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16641683998618&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2022-09-25%2Fpoverty-inflation-fear-egypts-economy-pushed-to-brink%2F101472574
PeterDutton is such a great guy he has discontinued his legal action against Shane Bazzi.
The greatest Liberal legal victory since Christian Porter.
My birthdate came out of the barrel. Being at university at the time, I applied for and received a student deferment. Some months later, I received a letter directing me to go to the local public hospital for a medical, even though I was still a student. Back in those days, I enjoyed perfect health. However, a history of childhood asthma put paid to any military career.
Later that year, the day after finishing my last exams, I voted for the first time, for the young local member Paul Keating. Labor won and the rest is history.
C@t
Jan 6 hearings resume this week.
And Putin is quickly becoming persona non gratis amongst his own people.
We continue to live in interesting times.
Socrates says:
Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:33 pm
PeterDutton is such a great guy he has discontinued his legal action against Shane Bazzi…
…The greatest Liberal legal victory since Christian Porter.
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One of the characteristics of the New Right: they make no mistakes and suffer no defeats!
IIRC, Howard lost a couple of Ministers early in his regime, then decided that no one ever contravened Standards again – whatever they did. One of many lessons he taught the Australian Right.
Remember when A Jazeera planted a journo with two of Hanson’s senior people. He traveled with them to an NRA thing in the US and recorded them discussing getting NRA $ in return for watering down Aus gun laws?
Hanson tried to spin it as “foreign interference”…
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Late Risersays:
Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:01 pm
B.S. Fairman @ #1764 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 3:36 pm
The AUD is plunging. This is going to drive up inflation on items that we import (almost everything that is highly manufactured like cars, electronics, clothes, footwear etc). So Tuesday week, we are going to get another rate rise and it will probably still have to be 0.5% or more too.
Is the Trade Weighted Index still a thing? All I can find is definitions. But playing with XE.COM you can pull up AUD versus other currencies to get a feeling for what’s happening. For example, here’s AUD versus South Korean Won.
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=AUD&to=KRW&view=1W
Just skimming and roughly judging I get this for the last week of exchange rates.
AUD is gaining against: GBP
AUD is stable against: EUR, JPY, NZD, CNY, UAH, KRW
AUD is falling against: USD, CAD, INR, CHF
So overall, I agree the AUD is falling, but it could be argued that the North American currencies are climbing, and the UK is not a happy place.
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LR
IMO the world should abondon US $ as Reserve currency of the world.
We cannot allow US Reserve to print Reserve currency after what we have seen since 2008.
A prime example of how US misused its premier economy status to get rich and gave us GFC in turn.
Boerwar @ #1834 Monday, September 26th, 2022 – 6:10 pm
I think they were making it up as they went along. The degree and vehemence of the opposition was a shock to them, I suspect. The original penalty for refusal to report for enrolment was 2 years gaol. That disgusting scene of Bill White’s arrest, all over the evening Sun and Mirror shit sheets, was not great publicity, and quite soon they found ways to ignore their own laws. In the same way as they ignored the laws regarding gambling establishments, directly over Oxford St from police headquarters, and the multiple brothels in Palmer St a couple of blocks away. All under the benevolent eyes of Norm (pustular) Allen and bold Sir Robin Askin, with their giant paper bags.
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C@tmommasays:
Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:15 pm
It’s amazing how the Shadow Opposition Ministers have all these helpful suggestions for what the government should do (just watching Karen Andrews on Afternoon Briefing spruiking her private Members Bill to increase the penalties for cyber attacks).
Pity they could never seem to rub their brain cells together when in government to generate enough light and heat to come up with it then.
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What can one do when Morrison had God complex and held as many Ministries in secret as possible and being intimidating towards female Liberal parliamentarians. 🙂
I have no specific knowledge about the 1960s conscription procedures, other than having been around at the time – and therefore being able to draw on a not always reliable memory. Contemporaneously, I assumed that the birthdays were randomly chosen (at least some of the “draws” were public, and even televised) and everyone who had registered* whose date was pulled out was required to present for a medical. Happily, that was a raffle where my number was not drawn, so apart from survivor’s guilt, I was not affected.
My understanding, as some contributors to the forum have indicated, was that failing the medical was a “get out”. A friend claimed that at his medical when he indicated that he was hostile to the Vietnam action, the examining doctor exempted him on (medical) psychological grounds. I don’t have grounds to disbelieve him, but have no way of confirming his version of events. He thought that the army didn’t want people with non-malleable hostile opinions.
I also understood that deferrals while completing university studies were relatively easy to come by. That was my brother-in-law’s experience, although I don’t know whether there were restrictions on conscripts proceeding beyond an undergraduate degree (a career grade in the late sixties).
I also recall rumours about the dates being fudged. One example was a suggestion that Normie Rowe, then a celebrated singer, was called up as some sort of PR for the war, even though his date of birth was not drawn.
* Declaring publicly that one had not registered was a form of protest for draft resisters, some of whom I knew personally. I expect not registering and staying under the radar was a form of avoidance, contrasted with public statements or letters to the Department which were conscious efforts to undermine the system, and typically brought a heavy-handed response.
Victoria at 6:05, C@tmomma at 6:13
It will take me a while to get my head around that, both the attempt and the unravelling. Meadows, I think, originally cooperated and suddenly withdrew his cooperation. If the J6C have confirmed links all the way to SCOTUS then (1) yikes but (2) impeach them and (3) why is Riggleman spilling his guts right now?
I need to think this out.
Thanks
Boerwar and Yabba are older than me, Yabba a few years older. I was in lottery the year Whitlam got elected. The Frazer government became less forceful with the enforcement as time went on, Yabba is describing the early years. When you consider how pointless the Vietnam war was, it was a serious failure of government policy.
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