No further national voting intention polls this week after the weekend Newspoll. Presumably this means the monthly Resolve Strategic will be along next week in the Age/Herald. Roy Morgan has for some time come along fortnightly and did not report last week, but the manner of its reporting is notoriously hard to predict. Together with the ongoing New South Wales by-elections count, which is covered in the post below this one, that just leaves the following:
• Roy Morgan did have an SMS poll of 1080 respondents conducted on Monday and Tuesday which found Josh Frydenberg favoured to lead the Coalition by 38.5%, ahead of Scott Morrison on 31% and Peter Dutton on 12.5%. The question specifically asked, “if you were a Liberal or National Party voter and helping to choose the Coalition Leader for the next Federal Election, who would you prefer”.
• The West Australian had a poll by Painted Dog Research on Wednesday which found Mark McGowan’s approval rating in Western Australia had fallen from 77% to 64% since December, having peaked at 91% in September 2020, with disapproval up from 14% to 25%. The poll was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 654.
• Recommended viewing and listening: Antony Green explains the dark art of election night results projection, while pollsters Peter Lewis and John Utting discuss the even darker art of opinion polling on 2SER’s Fourth Estate program.
A lot of Pell horseshit going on tonight.
Pell was innocent and was totally exonerated.
Look it up.
ParkySP @ #399 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 7:38 pm
The High Court will never have the power to quash the verdict of the Court of public opinion.
Boar, the reason that Israel is criticised is that some, usually right wing religious loons, pretend that there is no problem with their behaviour.
We know there are far worse governments than theirs, to critisise those makes little difference. The Israelis deserve criticism and they get it.
I was one day off. It seems the exercises end on the 19th so troops should disperse, if Russia’s good to its word, from the 20th.
Greensborough Growler says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:42 pm
No he’s not he had mates clear him
Letter of references etc
Just remember those kids in graves in Canada if you think church or Pell is innocent
Zerlo,
You excel yourself in stupid commentary.
Well done!
Boerwar says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:34 pm
You have x amount to spend. To defend Australia, would you spend it on tanks, ships or planes?
Back on the religion tip again. Sigh.
Look, I don’t care if George Pell was guilty or innocent now, there’s too much water gone under that bridge. What I do know is that the man is an odious Right Wing toad and best friend of Tony Abbott, another odious Catholic cancer on the body politic. I would be overjoyed if both men dried up and blew away. Neither of them improved this country in any material way.
For an interesting perspective on how the Ukraine-Russia conflict might pan out, here is an article by Israeli journalist Anshell Pfeffer. He suggests that parallels with 1914 are out of date and that too many politicians and analysts are interpreting events through the ways wars were fought last century.
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-the-ukraine-war-has-already-begun-and-it-s-unlike-any-you-ve-seen-before-1.10617744
But he will need to have his shirt front ironed first.
Let’s have a go at answering WWP’s question.
I’ll constrain myself to civilian deaths inflicted within home territories since the formation of Israel in 1948. I will exclude wars of aggression against other states. I will exclude wars of national liberation.
The figures refer to civilians only.
(All figures rubbery)
1. Nigeria killed around 2,000,000 Biafrans.
2. China killed around 600,000 Tibetans.
3. Burma killed around 150,000 various national groups.
4. Russia killed between 100,000 and 150,000 Chechyans.
5. Sri Lanka killed between 50,000 and 150,000 Tamils.
6. Israel killed less than 30,000 Palestinians.
I have not unraveled various other sets of mass killings since 1948. The Democratic Republic of Congo in particular would be, as it were, fertile ground.
IMO ALL of the above involve race/ethnic based behaviours, discriminatory regulatory activity, mass incarcerations and mass displacements. I could go on.
The question remains, in the context of the above. Why single out the State of Israel above the others?
poroti @ #384 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 6:55 pm
I have unlocked this article for everyone who wants to to read it for free. Just click on this link:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/world/europe/ukraine-conflict-russia-military.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DPDm8diPsSGYyMvErQf617apwu3C6SRdlMdbQoQvJ2z-RDelZwUBKpq96BmZAEPywvuMSzQmYyldrrbIwPzAXLPCO_Ofstg_q2pQ6HOzy9RqXdgSZ3cApjvcAxJlq13XJYz7PPRrZxxtB63f1xAsxxEjlRZzKY_KW9U2UIM9uEbBDW4wM8SrsZDWmVxYjAnupGJAZCClvGT2d94nI_4b5eMdAQOqX5LH0waZa0wOVRWiEzctDfV9BmTJPUlr5qrbfMtReOrcO8zPkzH6hU16jWGywzypxSCu0W9uuKSqwv7Q&smid=url-share
Good one SHP, thanks.
So, Boerwar, how many Bludgers do you say don’t think all of those things are also bad? And do you have any evidence to back it up?
Edit: And how many of them did those things while purporting to adhere to liberal democratic principles?
C@tmomma2 at 8:00 pm
I use the ‘Google trick’ and Incognito to leap the wall. How does your one work ?
Quasar,
Take no notice of Taylormade. He is an insensitive overbearing RW bore. If you want me to help you with copying Twitter threads just ask. 🙂
“That is the question, IMO.”
Nice snark but why is it you are just incapable of a grown up discussion? You should and bloviate, but you just don’t engage with the substance if it has any complexity.
Frankly if you don’t take into account, as your snark suggests, all the bad things they do, why don’t they get into you 5 five countries, rather than being allegedly not in the worst 20. Other than North Korea, which I’ll give you, name one country worse than Israel for a Palestinian and your criteria for getting there.
I’ll make it a little harder for you by pointing out that I would take China with any ethnicity you wanted to give me over Israel as a Palestinian. The reason being in China you can pull your head in, go with the system and avoid the worst of the outcomes of its terrible system. But if you are a Palestinian in the Israel apartheid there is nothing you can do. You have no rights.
Edit: I saw your second post, and want to acknowledge you found a criteria to justify the conclusion you reached.
Greensborough Growlersays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:49 pm
Keep at it GG, tosser.
Stop being protectionist of the church.
For some reason the ABC is saying that Scotty is taking a leaf out of Howards playbook over security.
Which is weird, as I don’t see how the war on terrorism, which was always portrayed as a domestic threat is anything like the biffo with China or Russia.
poroti @ #415 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 8:03 pm
I have a subscription to the NYT and so I’m able to share 10 articles a month for free. 🙂
So, if you identify any articles that you want to share around, just ask me to get the free access link for it. Same goes for anyone.
Bernard Keane
@BernardKeane
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One of Xi Jinping’s main propaganda outlets has repeatedly endorsed Scott Morrison, raises major concerns about the Prime Minister’s role in Chinese efforts to control Australia
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Rex Douglassays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:42 pm
ParkySP @ #399 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 7:38 pm
My view on Pell, which obviously breaks all considered legal reason of course, is thus.
I thank the jury. They made him pay for his actions. It seems possible he paid not for what he did as the HC found. I hope he had every day in his cell where he had to think about what he was a part of over many years and how it lead him to where he was. He’s not a martyr he’s a lucky man that his actions couldn’t get a reasonable legal sentence under the law.
The victims had a win in court, he spent time in jail, his reputation amongst most thinking humans (I’ll include my religious self) is shot. Perhaps not the best win but if that’s what’s on offer then it’s reluctantly livable.
I completely understand why the victims would feel otherwise.
The High Court will never have the power to quash the verdict of the Court
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Law, legal arguments in courts, verdict and sentencing are based on ‘legal’ opinion not on ‘public’ opinion. When it is based on public opinion we get verdicts like Lindy Chamberlain verdict.
Nicko @ #419 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 8:08 pm
And doesn’t it just prove what an unoriginal thinker he is?
I bet he wishes he could make Gladys Liu go away.
However, as others have commented, he’s playing a dangerous game here when the Chinese-Australian community very easily feel victimised by Anglo Australian politicians. An Asian sentiment sunk the hopes of Labor’s Michael Daley in NSW and a backlash could very easily could sink Morrison.
C@tmomma at 8:08 pm
So do I ! I signed up in about 1997/8 and it was supposedly a lifetime subscription as I signed up before a certain date. Not that the feckers ended up honouring that. Rupert struck again 🙁
Come to think of it my old ‘subscription’ might actually get me those freebies. Note to self ‘try logging in again to NYT’ . Thanks.
Damn, need my ye olde iinet address and pasword 🙁
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C@tmommasays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:53 pm
Back on the religion tip again. Sigh.
Look, I don’t care if George Pell was guilty or innocent now, there’s too much water gone under that bridge. What I do know is that the man is an odious Right Wing toad and best friend of Tony Abbott, another odious Catholic cancer on the body politic. I would be overjoyed if both men dried up and blew away. Neither of them improved this country in any material way
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This.
However, I don’t know how much Pell influenced the body politic but we all know that he influenced Tony Abbott and Abbott was our PM and we are poorer for that.
poroti,
There’s a little gift box icon near the top of the article. Click on that and it will tell you how many gift articles you have to give away and the options you can choose from. I chose ‘Copy Link’. Click on it. Then it will say ‘Link copied’ and will give it a tick. Then paste it here. 🙂
Does he really think Australians are quaking in their boots over China invading us, or a Chinese person is gonna commit local terrorism ?
I mean thats the kind of logic you would have to go by to think this is anything like what Howard did, it is just absurd!
I guess Jenny wasn’t the secret weapon after all.
Zerlo,
It’s well known you are part of a multi person franchise here on PB sponsored by the CCP.
But, which Zerlo are you tonight?
Crazy Zerlo, Idiotic Zerlo, Completely fucking Mad Zerlo.?????
WeWantPaul:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 4:51 pm
[‘Yeah. And to be clear I haven’t gone anywhere near a court for decades and judge courts solely within the tax frame.’]
Cobber, you’re far from “clear”.
[‘However as I read the decision it is 7 people who weren’t in either the court or the jury room saying the 12 that were in it f*cked it up in a way no reasonable person would.’]
You make a sound point, and that’s why higher courts are loathe to overturn a jury verdict.
[‘Now if I had to chose between the 7 on the HC and a randomly selected jury, the HC would not ever get the gig.’]
Maybe I’ve got it wrong.]
Yes, you certainly have. Indeed, with respect, have you considered a career change(?).
C@tmomma at 8:12 pm
Re the ‘Asian community’. There is quite backlash from them happening in the US with regard to some of the Democrat’s ‘wokeish’ education policies. Guess which group is suffering from big cuts to admissions when there is ‘equity’ policies being put in place.
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How Asian Americans Fueled the San Francisco School Board Recall
The landslide vote cut across ethnicities and income levels. But Chinese American voters and volunteers were crucial to its success, organizers said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/us/san-francisco-school-board-parents.html
Loathe him, believe him guilty, all you want but God help us when a person can be convicted on the evidence that Pell was. It could be you or someone you love one day. The high court was absolutely correct in its findings.
Nicko at 8:19 pm
You may be surprised on the down side. Way back when The Rodent started his dog whistling over ‘boat people’ it was a real shock for me to hear ‘shout back radio’ and newspaper opinions flooded with the sort of rhetoric I thought had been dead buried and cremated decades before. The ‘Asian Invasion’ and ‘Asiatic hordes’ and its threat was as alive in the minds of people as it was in the days of Tojo or ‘White Australia’ .
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Sir Henry Parkessays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:54 pm
For an interesting perspective on how the Ukraine-Russia conflict might pan out, here is an article by Israeli journalist Anshell Pfeffer. He suggests that parallels with 1914 are out of date and that too many politicians and analysts are interpreting events through the ways wars were fought last century.
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-the-ukraine-war-has-already-begun-and-it-s-unlike-any-you-ve-seen-before-1.10617744
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I tend to agree with Anshell Pfeffer because all these analyses are based on past experiences and how past wars were fought. People tend to fight to their wars based on the perception that their war situations are different. Although the end result may have a technical winner but everyone involved in that war will be a loser.
The strangest thing about WW1 and WW2 was that USA were winners without any destruction of their land although they lost soldiers, which happens in a war. And they benefitted massively after WW2. I suspect the reason they fought so many wars after WW2 on foreign lands is because they appear to believe that their involvement on foreign land wars will benefit them.
As of today US is the only country that used Atomic bomb.
The world has gone crazy. A man who was ranked 462nd in the world for swimming is now a woman and beat her rivals by 38 seconds in the 1500meter and 7 seconds in the 500 meter. But get this she was overjoyed with her win…the delusion involved in that is beyond comprehension. It will blow up soon and only woman born woman will be able to compete against each other then what happens to these poor souls. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Yes but the fear was that these boat people could become domestic terrorists. Which is nothing like the China fear which is mostly people who are probably racist and would never vote Labor anyway .
And Michael Daley tried it on with the China taking jobs, which didn’t work in NSW at all.
Steelydan:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:26 pm
[‘Loathe him, believe him guilty, all you want but God help us when a person can be convicted on the evidence that Pell was. It could be you or someone you love one day. The high court was absolutely correct in its findings.’]
It’s said that your sins will find you out, not legally but perhaps personally?
poroti,
I think we have had the rumblings of a similar contretemps over here in NSW when some agitators saw that our Selective Schools were ending up with a lot of Asian and Subcontinent Asian students taking up places. However, the Education Department didn’t institute quotas, nor did they make all schools Comprehensive. Instead, the word went out that the best way to reverse the trend was to study just as hard as those students and you would get your child in too. The clamor died down after that. 😀
Nicko at 8:37 pm
That was Act II . When he kicked off is arsewipery there were plenty of refugees coming from Asia. After 9/11 of course ‘it all changed’ .
Mavis,
As you well know!
For Steve Schmidt fans, a long interview:
https://youtu.be/3bfMAcwBl-8
And Act II was why Howard won, if people fear that they could be attacked in their own community then all bets are off.
Greensborough Growler:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:44 pm
[‘Mavis,
As you well know!’]
Pray tell, what is that I ‘well know’?
OMFGOMGOMG ,Rule Brittania, Marmalade and Jam………..
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==Deeply concerning’: British government picks Alexander Downer to review UK’s border force==
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/18/deeply-concerning-british-government-picks-alexander-downer-to-review-uks-border-force
Mavis,
Lying, thieving, regretting, blackboard monitoring…….
There’s a big menu from which you can choose.
But, I assume you’ll go the Smorgasbord!
Let’s not forget that Howard’s attempt to redo 2001 in 2007 fell flat too (that doctor who they locked up because a second cousin tried to blow himself up in the UK). The tactic worked because of the environment into which was played.
In 1983, when Howard who was treasurer under Fraser said that people should hide their money under their beds if Labor was to win, Hawke quipped that they couldn’t do that because that was where the reds were hiding.
This Thorpe is a piece of work.
“The people I am bringing voice to in this place are very concerned that our flag has been colonised, given this is the colonisers’ headquarters and they’ve just purchased our flag,” Thorpe said.
“We have taken the flag from a situation where it was effectively being privately owned to a situation where, in accordance with the wishes of the Indigenous designer of the flag, it has been put in a position where it is safe, where it is available for Indigenous Australians, and indeed, all Australians full stop, because we want this to be a flag that gets the respect and enthusiasm it deserves,” Stoker said.
Bloody hell it gets better. This is rolled gold
Thorpe replied that it was “insulting” to her to be called an Indigenous Australian.
“I’m not going to be told by a white senator that I’m an Indigenous Australian. That is insulting,” she said.
“I’m a Gunnai Djap Wurrung Bralakaulung Gunditjmara woman,” Thorpe said.
Wow just wow.
Steelydan:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:26 pm
Protecting the church does not give you the right to say “it maybe you or someone you love”.
Steelydansays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:11 pm
Australian Government now resorting to theft of someone else’s property.
WOW.
poroti:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:02 pm
The last night of the Proms have always given me a high:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG1DI5ae_qY
I suspect you’ll go mental?