No further national voting intention polls this week after the weekend Newspoll. Presumably this means the monthly Resolve Strategic will be along next week in the Age/Herald. Roy Morgan has for some time come along fortnightly and did not report last week, but the manner of its reporting is notoriously hard to predict. Together with the ongoing New South Wales by-elections count, which is covered in the post below this one, that just leaves the following:
• Roy Morgan did have an SMS poll of 1080 respondents conducted on Monday and Tuesday which found Josh Frydenberg favoured to lead the Coalition by 38.5%, ahead of Scott Morrison on 31% and Peter Dutton on 12.5%. The question specifically asked, “if you were a Liberal or National Party voter and helping to choose the Coalition Leader for the next Federal Election, who would you prefer”.
• The West Australian had a poll by Painted Dog Research on Wednesday which found Mark McGowan’s approval rating in Western Australia had fallen from 77% to 64% since December, having peaked at 91% in September 2020, with disapproval up from 14% to 25%. The poll was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 654.
• Recommended viewing and listening: Antony Green explains the dark art of election night results projection, while pollsters Peter Lewis and John Utting discuss the even darker art of opinion polling on 2SER’s Fourth Estate program.
B.S. Fairman at 9:10 pm
😆 ah yes, that’s the one.
The liberals security scare campaign reminds me of days gone by during the GFC. Experts in their respective fields lining up to pour cold water on coalition talking points & all of it unreported by the media. They seem to be doing a slightly better job this time round, will it continue?
@poroti:
Rule Brittania, Marmalade and Jam………..five chinese crackers up your arseole bang, bang, bang, bang bang
We sung that at school speech night in 198X and got a right telling off lol
If we did it now it would be treason like ordering special fried rice in a fish shop in oxley – halal of course
Greensborough Growler:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:03 pm
I think you’ve taken a cautious course.
Latest Meanwhile in Australia – Part 49:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2vnkKiTZ1o
Mavis at 9:26 pm
And it would seem the lowest of low roads.
WeWantPaul says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:06 pm
“That is the question, IMO.”
Nice snark but why is it you are just incapable of a grown up discussion?
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It was a compliment.
Mavis,
It’s your meal.
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C@tmommasays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:41 pm
poroti,
I think we have had the rumblings of a similar contretemps over here in NSW when some agitators saw that our Selective Schools were ending up with a lot of Asian and Subcontinent Asian students taking up places. However, the Education Department didn’t institute quotas, nor did they make all schools Comprehensive. Instead, the word went out that the best way to reverse the trend was to study just as hard as those students and you would get your child in too. The clamor died down after that.
”
One of the agitators was a Labor MP and Minister in Bob Carr ministry by name Anderson. He was perceived as rival leadership contender to Carr. It is opinion of some commentators that Carr was able to suppress and withstood Anderson challenge because Anderson made the fatal mistake of being an agitator to institute quotas for Anglo-Saxons in Selective schools.
‘Rewi says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:03 pm
So, Boerwar, how many Bludgers do you say don’t think all of those things are also bad? And do you have any evidence to back it up?
Edit: And how many of them did those things while purporting to adhere to liberal democratic principles?’
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Of course all Bludgers think all of those things are bad.
The question is why single out Israel.
If you seriously think any of the above did not happen I suggest you re-order the set to suit your version of the facts. It makes no difference to my case.
Why ‘purporting’ to be anything at all is supposed to make a difference to the ethics of killing a hundred thousand completely innocent people is beyond me.
Angelina Jolie should be made to give her Oscar back after her performance in Those Who Wish Me Dead
‘ As a son of a police officer, understanding Law and Order issues, Scott Morrison is well aware that a properly funded Federal ICAC with retrospective powers would see him and his colleagues facing quite a few potential prison sentences.’
Greensborough Growler:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:31 pm
You’re more than a little aggressive tonight. Is it that you can’t maintain an argument in the absence of rancour or is that you can’t post without it?
poroti @ #443 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 9:02 pm
Privileged Toffs Inc. always preference their own.
‘poroti says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 6:55 pm
If the US has made this offer then there is a real chance of things settling down. As long as the article I posted yesterday was right. It argued that these missiles, which the US claims are defensive but the Russians argue can be easily swapped to offensive, are what is really at the heart of it all . An offer like this would definitely ease Russian fears….’
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It is performance art. What are the Russians going to learn in an inspection that they don’t know perfectly well already? The rascally cunning bit is that it might give the appearance that Putin has scored a ‘win’ over the perfidious yankees.
Ven @ #459 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 9:35 pm
A very old school member of Labor’s entitled elite. Thank goodness he didn’t get too far.
It looks like another round of cuts is coming for the UK Armed Forces.
I’m just happy that Putin’s False Flag operation went nowhere today and was met with the derision it so much deserved.
C
I am not convinced it was a Putin false flag operation. The evidence is that somebody fired 8 artillery rounds. Who fired them, from where, and at whose behest we don’t know.
One thing is sure. A class full of kids and their families are very, very lucky.
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C@tmommasays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:48 pm
poroti @ #443 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 9:02 pm
OMFGOMGOMG ,Rule Brittania, Marmalade and Jam………..
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==Deeply concerning’: British government picks Alexander Downer to review UK’s border force==
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/18/deeply-concerning-british-government-picks-alexander-downer-to-review-uks-border-force
Privileged Toffs Inc. always preference
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Crosby and Abbott might have recommended Downer name.
Isn’t it true Abbott is appointed as some sort of UK Trade official?
Also, recently Downer was High Commissioner in London for 5 years.
When I think of the fallibility of juries, say for example the ones who sent thousands of African-American men and women to execution because of their color, of the couple of juries closer to home who voted to send Lindy Chamberlain to jail for life for murdering her baby daughter, I chuckle at remarks like the one quoted above.
In the case of Pell its a little-known fact that there were two juries: one that found him guilty and an earlier one that couldn’t reach a decision. Which jury do we prefer when we go jury shopping?
The basic problem was this: Pell’s defence team called witnesses who swore that he could not have committed the crime of which he was accused because he was elsewhere. They were eye witnesses to this effect. The Crown’s problem was that this evidence was never rebutted. This we had the evidence of the accuser and the evidence of the other witnesses who said Pell was otherwise innocently engaged at the time of the alleged offence. The key point was that this exculpatory evidence – of equal weight before the Court to the complainant’s – was not challenged. Therefore there was clearly reasonable doubt, raised and not challenged, concerning Pell’s guilt. Hence the High Court acquitted him.
However much you might hate Pell, and all he stands for, you have to take a step back from your personal feelings to remember that hard cases make bad law. This means that what might look like a “hard” result can very often be counterintuitively correct, because it upholds the fundamental principles of the legal system that everyone – the innocent and the guilty – rely on to get a fair hearing before the law. Whatever Pell’s personal failings, there will be plenty of genuinely innocent people in the future, charged with crimes they did not commit, who will thank their stars that Pell appealed his verdict, and won.
We live in a society of laws, not a village of hatreds.
Mavis,
You seem to be feeling a little more inadequate than usual.
Why is that?
Boerwar @ #413 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 7:56 pm
1 wrong does not make others right.
Boerwar
FFS , why do you claim the Russkiys know exactly what is going on in secret US bases in Europe ?
Tom
Agreed.
The original point goes to BK’s question about why it was possible to be anti-semitic by criticizing the State of Israel.
My point is this. Why choose Israel from states which are behaving in the same, or worse, manner?
The criticism of Israel’s behaviour might be valid in and of itself.
But why select Israel’s behaviour from a set of similar or worse behaviours?
Boerwar @ #413 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 7:56 pm
Bullshit and that is before we come to the ‘Apartheid’
Boerwar at 10:01 pm
Israel claims to be one of the ‘good guys’ . Behaving like one tends to be part of the deal.
‘poroti says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:58 pm
Boerwar
What are the Russians going to learn in an inspection that they don’t know perfectly well already?
FFS , why do you claim the Russkiys know exactly what is going on in secret US bases in Europe ‘
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They will know the kind of missiles and hence their capability already. They will have tracked test flights from space. Poland is awash with svr operatives. They will have been reading most of what is in the Pentagon’s files for years. You know the drill.
Ven @ #470 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 9:55 pm
Privileged Toffs Inc intersects with Global Conservatives Inc.
‘poroti says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:04 pm
Boerwar at 10:01 pm
Israel claims to be one of the ‘good guys’ . Behaving like one tends to be part of the deal.’
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This one does not remotely pass the pub test. Why?
Everyone claims to be the good guys. The Nigerian Government claimed it was the good guys when it massacred the Biafrans. Aung Sung Su Chyi was explaining why the Rohynga massacres and expulsion was a good thing forced on Myanmmar by the Rohynga. The Chinese reckoned they doing good by reuniting Tibet with China. Israel reckons that the Palestinians are infested with terrorists who want to push the Jews into the sea. Take a look at the Sri Lankan good guy crapola.
Whoever heard of any government explaining that they decided to kill 100,000 civilians because they, the government, were evil?
Greensborough Growler:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:57 pm
Mavis,
Age, most coming to the conclusion that they’re not as smart as you.
‘poroti says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:03 pm
Boerwar @ #413 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 7:56 pm
6. Israel killed less than 30,000 Palestinians.
Bullshit and that is before we come to the ‘Apartheid’’
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As noted in the intro, the figures were rubbery. If you can come up with a better set of figures for any of numbers in my list, feel free. The numbers do not change my point at all.
Can you fit 5 Liberals into one ABC program?
You betcha!
Oh, I got that wrong.
Downer’s task is to recommend that the UK adopts the Australian Border Farce model. I imagine that if that includes boat turnbacks there french will bite back with considerably more vigor than did the Indonesians.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/18/deeply-concerning-british-government-picks-alexander-downer-to-review-uks-border-force
Boerwarsays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:51 pm
It looks like another round of cuts is coming for the UK Armed Forces.
But it’s all GREENS FAULT.
All 5 of the Insiders are current or former Rupert lackeys
Greensborough Growler @ #401 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 7:42 pm
In my fully considered opinion Pell is an evil shitstain on the fabric of society, who deliberately, with forethought, personally psychologically tortured hundreds of the victims of the child rapists he protected, and their families. Look it up. He has cost his paedophile protection society many tens of millions of dollars, and has presided over a precipitous fall in the numbers of ‘faithful’ who are prepared to admit to any connection with that disgusting organisation. He is rightfully reviled as an prime example of the worst kind of human being, being proud, arrogant and totally lacking in common decency and any empathy with and sympathy for the victims of his foul, hypocritical, criminal cult. An utter failure in his life and career.
GG defends him. Look it up.
Greensborough Growlersays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:42 pm
A lot of Pell horseshit going on tonight.
Pell was innocent and was totally exonerated.
Look it up
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Could not agree more with you on the result from the High Court decision. Acquitted on all charges on appeal.
Unfortunately though for my outlook on it he was part of a management regime that move paedophile priests from one parish to another (oh didn’t it become embarrasing later when those same priests became actually really honest to truth convicted of those crimes…)
On that basis I’ll form my opinion of Pell so I’ll take his ‘undeserved’ punishment as the karma bus.
So yep you’re right on the exonerated for that decision but I don’t agree with the horseshit. sorry. I don’t think I’m alone.
sprocket_ says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:20 pm
Really, cobber. You don’t think you may be overstating it by more than a country mile?
British government picks Alexander Downer to review UK’s border force==
At least he will fit in as he speaks with a British accent
It seems that GG’s retired hurt. I’d do likewise if were him. Pepys.
Bushfire Billsays:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:55 pm
However as I read the decision it is 7 people who weren’t in either the court or the jury room saying the 12 that were in it f*cked it up in a way no reasonable person would.
When I think of the fallibility of juries, say for example the ones who sent thousands of African-American men and women to execution because of their color, of the couple of juries closer to home who voted to send Lindy Chamberlain to jail for life for murdering her baby daughter, I chuckle at remarks like the one quoted above.
In the case of Pell its a little-known fact that there were two juries: one that found him guilty and an earlier one that couldn’t reach a decision. Which jury do we prefer when we go jury shopping?
The basic problem was this: Pell’s defence team called witnesses who swore that he could not have committed the crime of which he was accused because he was elsewhere. They were eye witnesses to this effect. The Crown’s problem was that this evidence was never rebutted. This we had the evidence of the accuser and the evidence of the other witnesses who said Pell was otherwise innocently engaged at the time of the alleged offence. The key point was that this exculpatory evidence – of equal weight before the Court to the complainant’s – was not challenged. Therefore there was clearly reasonable doubt, raised and not challenged, concerning Pell’s guilt. Hence the High Court acquitted him.
However much you might hate Pell, and all he stands for, you have to take a step back from your personal feelings to remember that hard cases make bad law. This means that what might look like a “hard” result can very often be counterintuitively correct, because it upholds the fundamental principles of the legal system that everyone – the innocent and the guilty – rely on to get a fair hearing before the law. Whatever Pell’s personal failings, there will be plenty of genuinely innocent people in the future, charged with crimes they did not commit, who will thank their stars that Pell appealed his verdict, and won.
We live in a society of laws, not a village of hatreds.
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This is it.
C@t says ‘I’m just happy that Putin’s False Flag operation went nowhere today’. Boris decries it too.
But Liz Truss condemns a Russian attack on a kindergarten in Ukrainian held territory.
Did both sides decide to attack the same kindergarten or did they just come up with the same idea in the same day?
Whoever attacked this one should probably use shells that go bang next time rather than just a cannonball.
https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1494225743747944450/photo/1
p.s. when attacked with things that go bang buildings tend to look more like this
https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_JD_ArticleMainImageFaceDetect/431605
Boar, you nominated 6 countries that have committed crimes against humanity, it decending order of magnitude Nigeria, China, Burma, Russia, Sri Lanka, and Israel.
I can’t find much evidence of people denying the guilt of of the first 5, but there is plenty denying the guilt of Israel, including Morrison:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/no-country-is-perfect-morrison-critical-of-amnesty-international-report-on-israel
Why is that do you think?
Poroti at 8.28 and Nicko at 8.37pm
I don’t think people thought boat people were terribly likely to be or become terrorists. Actually, I haven’t much clue what white Australians were thinking.
Not wanting ancient foreign hatreds here? Not wanting gangs? Not wanting competition for jobs? Not wanting tax dollars spent on foreigners?
I’ve never met anyone who supported Howard’s border protection thing who could explain it rationally. I’ve asked questions, then raised problems with their answers, only to see them shift their comments to a different but parallel line.
If anyone can enlighten me on what sentiment Howard tapped, I’d appreciate it.
All I can surmise is that White Australia either never really died, or was resurrected (sorry for the religious language) by Howard, to his eternal discredit.
The fact we tolerate offshore ‘processing’ (really indefinite imprisonment) indicates it is still alive and the nation is unwell because of it.
Not wanting brown people….
Latest from Grumpy Geezer, always worth a read courtesy of the AIMN
https://theaimn.com/dear-scotty-from-his-god/
Not wanting brown people
+1
More to do with being Islamic than brown.