No further national voting intention polls this week after the weekend Newspoll. Presumably this means the monthly Resolve Strategic will be along next week in the Age/Herald. Roy Morgan has for some time come along fortnightly and did not report last week, but the manner of its reporting is notoriously hard to predict. Together with the ongoing New South Wales by-elections count, which is covered in the post below this one, that just leaves the following:
• Roy Morgan did have an SMS poll of 1080 respondents conducted on Monday and Tuesday which found Josh Frydenberg favoured to lead the Coalition by 38.5%, ahead of Scott Morrison on 31% and Peter Dutton on 12.5%. The question specifically asked, “if you were a Liberal or National Party voter and helping to choose the Coalition Leader for the next Federal Election, who would you prefer”.
• The West Australian had a poll by Painted Dog Research on Wednesday which found Mark McGowan’s approval rating in Western Australia had fallen from 77% to 64% since December, having peaked at 91% in September 2020, with disapproval up from 14% to 25%. The poll was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 654.
• Recommended viewing and listening: Antony Green explains the dark art of election night results projection, while pollsters Peter Lewis and John Utting discuss the even darker art of opinion polling on 2SER’s Fourth Estate program.
I’ve been in cars where the driver prayed for a parking space.
Of course, when you’ve driven around twice without finding one, it’s easy to explain why God made you wait for the Right One to open up (“Oh look, it’s a Pillar 3 – it’s to remind us of the Trinity…”)
I’ve also often mused about the dynamics of it.
The parking space is a sort of Schrodingers Cat.
God’s omnipotent, so he knows you’re going to need one, but the niceties of the situation means that you must put in a formal request via prayer before it is revealed to you.
So the necessary chains of motion which must occur for the space to materialise – some random shopper inside the mall suddenly giving up on their quest to return to the perfectly placed car at exactly the right time – can’t be put in place until the actual prayer hits the carpet.
Which means the random shopper is hovering nearby, at once returning to their car and not returning to their car, until the crucial moment.
It’s possible, free will being what it is, that this requires several contingency plans – a skew of random shoppers poised to return to their perfectly placed car depending on where and when you do the praying.
Fwiw, my son did a 3 day Essential voting intention and election issues poll this week, so that will probably be dropped next week. 🙂
So, have we solved the answer to the problem of ‘Life, the Universe and Everything’?
I could have told you the answer is ’43’.
And for Snappy Tom, who is religious but does not believe in a corporeal entity with clearly-defined and delineated imagery, I have summed up his relationship with religion thus:
https://youtu.be/SJUhlRoBL8M
There we go. Sorted.
Now, can we get back to politics?
Hey, how about that Scott Morrison fellow? What norm isn’t he prepared to trash?
Love that they’re polling on preferred alternate Liberal leaders, and so close to the election. It just fuels the instability and disunity stories 🙂
https://pigeonsuperstition.org/skinner/
You could, but it’s actually 42.
Jaeger @ #6 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 6:52 am
Oops. 😳
I enjoy the discussions between 10pm-6am that often veer away from politics. I generally read all the posts during that time, unlike during the day when I scroll past pages of labor/green tirades.
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/what-a-tool-believes-or-pretends-to-believe/
How about the Olympics last night? Vladimir Putin’s attempt at worldwide domination via sport dealt a hammer blow when the disposable, abused 15yo Russian female competitor who was supposed to sweep all before her fell over 4 times on the ice during her routine and ended up only coming 4th.
Poor girl, my heart goes out to her. Just treated like a piece of meat on ice skates for the glory of Putin. If the IOC had a spine they would throw Russia out of the Olympics completely until such time as they allowed transparency and accountability wrt their athletes.
Objective observers need to be able to come in on every step of a Russian athlete’s journey and monitor them and the conditions under which they are being trained (the girls in the Russian ice skating team are fed nutrient powder only, they eat no real food, so that they are light as a feather and able to do high twisting jumps!), and urine-tested so regularly for performance-enhancing drugs that they give up the ghost at trying to get away with it. It’s Child Abuse, pure and simple.
Taz @ #NaN Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 7:07 am
I never read daytime posts. They stopped being informative some time ago.
I find early mornings before work and the evenings are the most interesting.
Speaking of Putin, here’s a podcast with the brilliant Garry Kasparov:
https://www.thebulwark.com/podcast-episode/garry-kasparov-putin-is-a-merchant-of-doubt/
“Mark McGowan’s approval rating in Western Australia had fallen from 77% to 64% since December”…
Scomocchio would sell his soul to Satan for a “fall” like that…. Oh, already done, but to no avail…
“Recommended listening and viewing: Antony Green explains the dark art of election night results projection”….
Is Antony already preparing the viewers for a very short night, so the Liberal party supporters don’t become shocked and start Trumpishly suspecting some fowl game?… I remember that the act of counting votes on election night for the latest WA state election achieved full consummation at the speed of light…. Much to the shock of the panel.
Good morning bludgers
Someone posted last night that the National Executive of the Liberal Party had acted to intervene in the NSW Liberal Party bun fight over pre-selections. No link to a source. I can’t find anything on it in the Guardian, Australian or ABC News. Might be fake. Has anyone seen anything on it ?
No one is above the law. The Trumps haven’t comprehended that yet. Also, the law isn’t there to be bent to their will. Clive Palmer also needs to read that memo.
Elmer_Fudd @ #16 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 7:25 am
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-liberals-again-refuse-to-endorse-sitting-federal-mps-20220217-p59xgq.html
Scott Morrison’s iron grip on the National Executive in action.
Snap.
Former Asio boss accuses Liberal senator of ‘grubby’ attack over Huawei comments
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/18/former-asio-boss-accuses-liberal-senator-of-grubby-attack-over-huawei-comments
Dennis Richardson, one of Australia’s finest diplomats and public servants, says what he thinks about the Liberals pathetic attempt to politicise national security. Worth a look at the whole article..
“If they want to cast aspersions, then bring it on. It is grubby and it is an attempt to blacken people’s names.
“It is despicable for them to want to engage in this sort of innuendo. The first thing they should do is get their facts right – that would help. To say that I advocated for Huawei’s involvement in 5G in 2018 is not even half true. It is extraordinarily misleading and it flies in the face of what happened in 2011.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/18/former-asio-boss-accuses-liberal-senator-of-grubby-attack-over-huawei-comments
It’s going to go to the courts though if he tries it(except for the 3 Sitting MPs, Zimmerman, Ley and Hawke, who were endorsed last night):
Earlier on Thursday, members of the NSW division’s Right faction warned they would seek to challenge any federal intervention in court.
sprocket_,
From memory Dennis Richardson came into prominence under Hawke and Keating. I bet the Liberals attempt to cast him as a Labor stooge or similar now as a result, when, in fact, the quality of the man saw Howard appoint him to high Public Service positions too.
Morgan on Scomo vs Friedhamburger:
“L-NP supporters: Morrison 47% cf. Frydenberg 38.5%;
ALP supporters: Frydenberg 50% cf. Morrison 34%;
Greens supporters: Frydenberg 65% cf. Morrison 27.5%;
Independents/ Others supporters: Frydenberg 38.5% cf. Morrison 33.5%.”
Yep, just as I suspected, everybody hates Scomo except his own side of politics…. Is that enough votes for Scomo to produce another “miracle”?… Nope, he and his mob are definitely on the way out…. and relying on the Pentecostal vote is just not enough….
Important FACTS (something the Liberals seem incapable of dealing in):
The NY Attorney General has been after Dotard and his family for years, over their dodgy business practices – in essence inflating the value of their properties to borrow more money, then deflating the value of the same properties to minimise tax.
And now the ‘45th and 47th President’ as he has started referring to himself, gets to explain himself in the dock under oath…
They still won gold and silver.
Kamila Valieva’s Olympic gold hopes vanish amid ROC anger, tears and joy
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/17/kamila-valieva-anna-shcherbakova-winter-olympics-beijing-figure-skating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZmlUV8muY
But wouldn’t an ALP supporter want the Liberals lead by the biggest dunderhead among them? There are plenty to choose from.
Did someone say ‘Snowflake’ 😆 Quick Concertina, ‘cancel him’ …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/02/liberal-senator-tells-asio-chief-his-use-of-term-rightwing-can-offend-conservatives
This will go down well in the Asian community:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/chris-bowen-attacks-scott-morrrison-q-a-manchurian-china-russia/100841352
“Prime Minister Scott Morrison has come under fire from all sides on Q+A for using parliamentary privilege to label Deputy Opposition Leader Richard Marles a “Manchurian candidate” and using the issue of national security as a tool by which to smear the opposition.”
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Maybe Boewar supports him?
Thanks Cat. I should have known you would be onto it quick smart. Looks like Ley and Scomo’s lap dog are going to have their way one way or another. What a mess. They don’t even have a candidate in place to take advantage of ZSs funding declaration stuff up in Warringah last I heard. Oops.
For those interested in Dotard’s NY crimes, this article has the detail – including the Judge’s 8 page ruling.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/judge-refuses-to-quash-subpoenas-and-depositions-for-donald-trump-and-his-children-it-would-be-a-blatant-dereliction-of-duty-not-to-investigate/
Good morning all.
My view is that this gang of third rate crooks will sacrifice anything and everything to keep their snouts in the trough.
A bipartisan approach to China? Out she goes!
Politicizing national security agencies? No worries!
Truth? Fuck that!
Shovel pork? Quick!
Personal vilification? Get the trip truck!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-orders-trump-children-answer-questions-business-practices-oath-rcna16659
A New York judge on Thursday ordered former President Donald Trump and two of his children to answer questions under oath about the Trump Organization’s business practices in the state attorney general’s civil probe of the company.
Lawyers for Trump, Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump had sought to quash the subpoenas from Attorney General Letitia James’ office, arguing her investigation is politically motivated and designed to provide fuel for an ongoing criminal probe into the company by the Manhattan district attorney’s office.
In his ruling, state Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron gave the green light for the three Trumps to be deposed within the next three weeks. He portrayed the Trumps’ claims of being selectively targeted as overblown.
Good morning Dawn Patrollers
Scott Morrison has gone negative early in the election campaign – but is Anthony Albanese a soft target, asks Michelle Grattan.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-18/morrison-goes-for-albanese-jugular-michelle-grattan-analysis/100841314
Michael Koziol reports that Scott Morrison has taken the first move to dissolving the Liberal Party’s troubled NSW division, with the party’s federal executive voting to give state officials 10 days to “rectify” their issues and endorse sitting MPs or face a federal takeover.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-liberals-again-refuse-to-endorse-sitting-federal-mps-20220217-p59xgq.html
David Crowe has a look at the mega-scare campaign kicking off and how Albanese is handling it.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/who-s-afraid-of-a-scare-campaign-albanese-had-better-watch-out-because-they-do-work-20220217-p59xaa.html
John Blaxland tells us that the appearance of ASIO boss Mike Burgess on 7:30 was a rare and alarming intervention by a senior bureaucrat into the rough-and-tumble of domestic politics – one that points to an apparently dangerous breakdown in bipartisanship on national security.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/politicising-national-security-the-pedigree-and-pitfalls-of-wedging-an-opponent-20220217-p59x6j.html
Katherine Murphy describes how one of Australia’s most respected former public servants, Dennis Richardson, has accused Liberal senator James Paterson of engaging in a “grubby” and “despicable” attempt to blacken his name over comments James Paterson made in an interview on Sky News.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/18/former-asio-boss-accuses-liberal-senator-of-grubby-attack-over-huawei-comments
The federal director of the Nationals failed to disclose a $1 million payment from a key financial supporter until a federal audit forced the party to reveal the transfer almost two years after the last election. David Crowe reports that the payment meant the Nationals gained much more support from a private fund than the party claimed in its report to the Australian Electoral Commission in a series of errors identified years afterwards.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/nationals-failed-to-disclose-1-million-payment-until-after-aec-audit-20220217-p59x6q.html
Morrison and Dutton are puffing themselves up like mini-me McCarthyists – and it’s beyond reckless, declares Katherine Murphy.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/17/morrison-and-dutton-are-imperilling-australias-national-security-to-hang-on-to-power
John Howard may have used a dog whistle rather than Scott Morrison’s bullhorn, but there’s a long and dishonourable tradition of security scares in election campaigns, says Phil Coorey.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/from-ukuleles-to-ukraine-we-re-in-uncertain-times-again-20220216-p59wug
Andrew Charlton reckons it’s time to return to Costello economics, whoever wins the federal election.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/it-s-time-to-return-to-costello-economics-whoever-wins-the-federal-election-20220217-p59xam.html
It is to be feared that the forthcoming budget will be a mixture of spending bribes and unsustainable tax cuts. This is not what is needed to restore economic stability and the provision of essential government services, writes Michael Keating.
https://johnmenadue.com/the-next-budget-what-can-we-expect-mm-need-to-put-in-a-link-to-article-22-9/
The NSW government is grappling with how it will pay for the multibillion-dollar cost of building the Western Harbour Tunnel, and Perrottet has refused to rule out new Harbour Bridge tolls.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/premier-refuses-to-rule-out-new-tolls-on-harbour-bridge-20220217-p59x99.html
Origin Energy’s plan to close Australia’s largest coal-fired power station seven years early has sparked fears over electricity supply and price spikes amid urgent calls for governments and industry to work together to manage the accelerating clean energy transition, write Nick Toscana and Mike Foley.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/origin-energy-to-bring-forward-closure-of-australia-s-largest-coal-fired-power-plant-20220216-p59x50.html
NSW Treasurer and Energy Minister Matt Kean says NSW’s energy supply will be secured through a “super” battery to be installed by the private sector as Australia’s largest coal-burning power station prepares to close early.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/super-battery-to-boost-nsw-supply-once-coal-fired-power-station-closes-20220217-p59x9w.html
Angus Taylor has slammed his NSW counterpart Matt Kean’s reliance on batteries as “delusional”, amid fresh fears energy prices will spike after Origin Energy’s shock decision to close the country’s biggest coal-fired power plant seven years early.
https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/early-eraring-closure-fires-up-the-energy-wars-20220217-p59xd3
The early closure of Australia’s biggest coal plant caught Angus Taylor by surprise – but it shouldn’t have, writes Adam Morton.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/18/on-coal-plant-closures-the-energy-industry-has-learned-to-keep-angus-taylor-out-of-the-loop
Elizabeth Knight explains the economics behind the early closure of “dirty and expensive” coal-fired power plants.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/dirty-and-expensive-the-economics-of-origin-s-early-exit-from-coal-20220217-p59xcu.html
Mark Ludlow tells us that the Australian Energy Market Operator is confident there will be enough new battery, gas and pumped hydrogen projects that will help fill the gap from the early exit of 2880 megawatt Eraring coal-fired power station when it closes in 2025.
https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/aemo-says-there-will-be-enough-capacity-to-replace-eraring-20220217-p59xby
The early closure of Australia’s biggest coal-fired power station in 2025 will test the energy grid and management of the inevitable transition from coal as these plants become uneconomic to operate, writes Jennifer Hewett who says Eraring is only the beginning of the end for coal.
https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/eraring-is-only-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-coal-20220217-p59xe3
Mike Foley says that this coal plant closure shows Australia is at the forefront of the global clean energy experiment.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coal-plant-closure-puts-australia-at-forefront-of-global-experiment-20220217-p59xao.html
Ben Doherty reports on another harmful day in court for Ben Roberts Smith.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/17/ben-roberts-smith-warned-soldier-he-would-get-bullet-in-the-back-of-the-head-court-told
Senior public servants have been accused of misleading a parliamentary committee over a contract which a department head concedes “wasn’t well handled” and could be in breach of Commonwealth procurement rules. Labor’s finance and public service spokeswoman Katy Gallagher is considering referring officials to parliament’s privileges committee amid claims they weren’t “upfront” in evidence relating to a contract to review a disability employment program. In explosive claims levelled in Senate estimates on Thursday morning, senator Gallagher named Nathan Williamson, a former Department of Social Services official who is now a deputy secretary at the Department of Finance, as one of the officers who had “misled” the committee over the past 15 months.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7624217/public-servants-accused-of-misleading-parliamentary-committee-over-controversial-contract/?cs=24204
Retailers are raising prices to recoup unprecedented cost increases and protect margins, but if prices rise too far, too fast they risk denting volumes, explains Sue Mitchell.
https://www.afr.com/companies/retail/retailers-face-pricing-dilemma-as-costs-soar-20220217-p59xa6
Michael Pascoe says that we should be careful what we wish for to cure inflation.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2022/02/18/michael-pascoe-inflation-complexities/
Has legislation to protect Australian publishers when dealing with multinational digital platforms worked? It might depend on which ones you ask, or how big they are, suggests Enna McDonald as twelve months since the government intervention ticks over.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/one-year-on-from-facebook-de-friending-australia-is-local-journalism-any-better-off-20220217-p59xd0.html
The Prime Minister’s abysmal ukulele performance is a parable for the off-key tune by which the Coalition governs Australia, Michelle Pini.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/coalition-gaffes-galore-to-the-tune-of-an-off-key-ukulele,16059
Health officials say proof of a third vaccine dose may be required to enter Victorian pubs and restaurants in coming months, as the government wound back most of the state’s COVID-19 restrictions.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/third-dose-mandate-may-still-be-needed-to-counter-winter-covid-threat-20220217-p59xd8.html
Madonna King writes that COVID-19 is a numbers game when it comes to protecting lives.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2022/02/18/madonna-king-covid-numbers-game/
The jump in the price of Rapid Antigen Tests over the summer outbreak has seen the competition commissioner refer 70 complaints to the Federal Police for investigation.
https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/business/accc-warns-retailers-of-rat-price-gouging-refers-70-complaints-to-afp/news-story/44792ce35b34cbc540be71dea5018a45
The Religious Discrimination Bill debate got taken-over by religious extremists with the mainstream wedged in the middle, writes Paul Collins who describes the fundamentalist take-over of ‘Christianity’.
https://johnmenadue.com/the-fundamentalist-take-over-of-christianity/
Bank closures in regional Australia will be an election issue for the first time for years, as the findings of a Government inquiry are being handed down just before the Federal Election.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/regional-bank-closures-set-to-become-election-issue,16058
One in five Australians quit their job within the last year, research by the National Australia Bank shows, and almost one quarter are considering changing their place of employment. NAB business banking executive Julie Rynski said the mass resignation over the past 12 months had not yet translated into higher wages but rather forced companies to offer perks and improve culture in an effort to retain staff.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/extreme-burnout-1-in-5-australians-quit-their-job-last-year-says-nab-20220216-p59x0u.html
The state government says former police commissioner Mick Fuller has been ruled out of the running for a position on the board of Racing NSW, two days after he confirmed his ambitions for the horseracing body.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/former-top-cop-mick-fuller-will-not-join-racing-nsw-board-20220217-p59xi0.html
The US Justice Department has tapped a seasoned computer crimes prosecutor to lead its new national cryptocurrency enforcement team and announced that the FBI is launching a unit for blockchain analysis and virtual asset seizure.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/crypto-cops-fbi-forms-digital-currency-unit-20220218-p59xiw.html
The House select committee investigating the Capitol attack is considering issuing a subpoena to Ivanka Trump to force her cooperation with the inquiry into Donald Trump’s efforts to return himself to power on 6 January, according to a source familiar with the matter.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/17/us-capitol-attack-ivanka-trump-subpoena-discussion
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So you would think with normal logic we wouldn’t hear much more about Zali’s ‘rookie’ mistake but I guess these aren’t normal times.
And so from one of the oldest parties in Australia.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/nationals-failed-to-disclose-1-million-payment-until-after-aec-audit-20220217-p59x6q.html
Grime says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:57 am
Tip of the Iceburg but media are biased afterall.
As for the Manchurian Candidate, there is probably not a single state in the world that would not welcome Albanese as prime minister.
All governments will have been briefed that Morrison leads an erratic and unpredictable clusterfuck of racist,arrogant, incompetent and venal pricks.
I would suggest that there’s a strong element of dog-whistling in this “Manchurian Candidate” stuff.
As for weaponising “national security”, the Coalition have been doing that for as long as I can remember.
The Liberal party is now fighting with ASIO and large corporate players in the energy market. Seems a strange tactic for en election campaign.
Steve777 @ #38 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 8:00 am
There are large Chinese populations in Sydney (and other capitals?) that are anti communist. Love their mother country, hate the party. The Anglican Church in Sydney has many Chinese congregations and services are in Chinese. I assume that other denominations are the same. The ALP vote in Strathfield went down because the PM made the ALP supports the Communist party jibes. It’s clearly dog whistling.
Tom
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The ALP vote in Strathfield went down because the PM made the ALP supports the Communist party jibes. It’s clearly dog whistling.
Not keeping up? There was a swing to the ALP relative to the LNP
Tom says:
Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:08 am
You have no idea about Chinese people do you ?
Frednk @ #39 Friday, February 18th, 2022 – 8:01 am
They are lashing out in any direction. Less tactical than desperate.
“The payment meant the Nationals gained much more support from a private fund than the party claimed in its report to the Australian Electoral Commission, (AEC) in a series of errors identified years afterwards.”
Claiming you only got $71,000 from a donor instead of $1m is not an “error” and there was a series of so called “errors”. That is not an ‘error’, it is a deliberate misleading and false declaration. IF you are going to go after Zali Steggall, you better make sure your accounting is squeaky clean first. Doh.
As has been said many times, most people are not so engaged in politics. They may generally vote red or blue or green or blow in the wind, but most people don’t feel that tribal instinct to always be looking for a way to get one up on the opposing team.
Sure, there will be a decent chunk of ALP-voting respondents to such a question who will answer “strategically” in a way that they think might look most damaging for the government, but most will just give as honest an answer as they can be bothered to give. And for many it will be “ooh I actually recognize that name and don’t feel anything particularly negative, I’ll tick that”.
Fraser et al tried the big reds under the bed scare campaign when Hawkey came along. He laughed it off with one joke and that was the end of it. Different time and people. I doubt Albo could manage that now.
One of these Honchos said it’s been decades since national security was politicised. Does anyone know what he is referring to?
Tony Windsor-
Morrison has always dog whistled race …the latest extension is Chinese people in a panicked attempt to create fear…destroyed farm trade only to see the US take our place in the market place.Our largest trading partner being used as a pawn in a domestic political game.
Wow, if true.
‘ Sam Dastyari divulged that the Liberals asked the Labor Party for their dirt file on Michael Towke after he beat Morrison 82-8 in a ballot. How does he know that he said? “I was the one who supplied it to them.”
Never has a party asked Labor for a dirt file on one of their own.’
As a great philosopher once said
“I enjoy the discussions between 10pm-6am that often veer away from politics. I generally read all the posts during that time, unlike during the day when I scroll past pages of labor/green tirades.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying discussions that veer away from politics, nor is there anything wrong with discussing policies, the goings on in parliament, the election, and psephology on a site that is dedicated to covering the aforementioned.