Newspoll: 53-47 to Labor

No real change from Newspoll, except perhaps to its release schedule.

The Australian has dropped a new Newspoll a fortnight rather than three weeks after the last, perhaps portending a quickening of the schedule as the federal election approaches. Labor’s two-party lead is unchanged at 53-47, from primary votes of Coalition 37% (steady), Labor 37% (down one), Greens 11% (up one) and One Nation 2% (down one). Scott Morrison is up two on approval to 48% and disapproval to 49%, while Anthony Albanese is steady on 37% and down one to 47%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister edges from 47-35 to 47-34. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1545.

UPDATE: The poll also found 59% approval and 31% disapproval for Australia “building and operating nuclear-powered submarines”, which was put to respondents after an introductory spiel explaining the AUKUS deal. Forty-six per cent felt it would make Australia more secure, compared with 14% less secure and 29% for no difference. Seventy-five per cent rated that China posed a significant threat to Australia’s national security, compared with 15% who did not.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

1,554 comments on “Newspoll: 53-47 to Labor”

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  1. Mavissays:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 9:16 am
    The French snub poor Tehan, a man just a wee bit short of charisma. Perhaps Joyce should’ve gone to Paris, to do his Sir Les party tricks. The frogs would love him given their lack of sophistication:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/dan-tehan-in-france-amid-climate-and-submarines-tension/100512418
    ~

    Mavis
    From the above article:
    “Mr Morrison has talked of “old friends” and “forever friends” in recent times, but when it comes to action on climate change, Australia is increasingly friendless.”

    It looks like we will be treated as pariahs in near to medium future.
    But tour has it that the thinking in the government is that once Morrison government gets reelected and Macron gets defeated in French presidential elections everything will be hunkydory.

    The resident deal supporter berated all of us who thought that deal is crook for not knowing how politics and deal making works

  2. Morrison would be showing his faith in the current management of Australia Post if he decides on a late November/early December election. With forecasts already of considerable delays in Christmas mail, coupled with the likelihood of much more pre-Christmas on -line shopping, an influx of requests for postal votes, their timely delivery and their return could be interesting? challenging? another miracle?

  3. Morrison would love to have an election before Christmas.
    At the moment the best conditions for a winning outcome are just not presenting themselves but ….
    The LNP will be forced to go to an election with death taxes, jobs, franking credits, grossly subsidized superannuation balances and tax concessions, inflated wealth from house prices and tax cuts.
    Add in some anti Chinese fear mongering and racism.
    Promise a new beginning, more jobs and opening everything by Christmas.
    That’s roughly the process.
    There is no doubt that much of the above appeals to enough voters.
    Blanket advertising using public money and assisted by Palmer millions is a huge advantage.
    The media will fall into step with the bullshit and bravado.
    Morrison will take the polls on again. He has nothing to lose.
    Morrison is only up against common sense, honesty and science, hardly a worry for the doer of God’s work.
    The money or the box?
    It’s a worry!
    Versus what can’t be controlled!
    LNP politicians generally, Covid, the state leaders, Barnaby, China, France, the USA, inflation and the assortment of commies and lefties ( mostly all fighting amongst themselves).
    What’s at stake ?
    Honesty, corruption, transparency, climate change, inequality, housing, transport, trade, renewables, the GBR and plenty more than that looks at risk.
    Morrison will be hoping everyone gets on the turps, putting it all in the too hard basket and generally go about some serious wishful thinking and re-elect the ridiculous parody.
    As I often refer ” it’s a weird mob”.

  4. Hmmm….Interesting possibility to consider on the subs.

    If we wind up going with the Astute class its possible we may get a UK built boat sooner.

    Brits are cutting a lot of things military. They still have 2 Astute boats in build but not in service out of 7 ordered.

    So, rather than try and crew / run those they may offer to sell or lease one to Australia. Gives Australia very limited nuke capability much sooner, gets training on a nuke happening, makes it appear that Scomo’s subs deal actually has some kind of substance, and gives that idiot BoJo something to help deflect attention from what an unmitigated disaster Brexit has become.

    Methinks there are announcables for all in that. 🙂 Which is a worry. 🙁

  5. Magpie Cafe reminds me of that very old style restaurant near/in Civic in Canberra which served plates of food heaped up like a hill.

    It even had a menu with GST and non-GST prices for no ostensible reason.


  6. C@tmommasays:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 9:39 am
    Sceptic @ #964 Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 – 9:38 am

    Is there anything Perrottet & Boris Johnson have in common?

    6 children.

    But there is a difference to that. BOJO has 6 children while screwing ( literally and figuratively) many women whereas Dom P is 1 woman man, which is commendable in current environment.

  7. Paul Toole will be the new deputy premier of New South Wales, after he was elected leader of the state Nationals in a ballot held this morning.

    Nationals MPs voted 15-3 in favour of Toole over water minister Melinda Pavey to replace outgoing Nationals leader and deputy premier John Barilaro.

    Toole was previously deputy leader of the NSW Nationals, and his ascension to leader on Wednesday meant his party deputy leadership was vacant.

    The Nationals party room elected Bronnie Taylor as new deputy leader of the party.

    (guardian)

  8. Scott says:

    Playing politics not only with the coronavirus, but anti-corruption commissions…

    The Liberals are trying to normalize not only corruption, but one of the main means to punish it: ICAC.

    When Gladys said “So what? Every government does it,” a few months ago, it seemed like a verbal slip-up, an inadvertent, even embarrassing revelation of the truth.

    But judging by the way the media and the Libs have been running around like headless chooks in the last few days regarding ICAC, it seems to have been a deliberate strategy, the final piece of the puzzle finally put in place: getting the public to actually support corruption, the ultimate “Hey, we’re all grown-ups here, aren’t we?” state of affairs.

    I’m not so sure that it will work, though. The media have gotten an awful lot wrong lately. They misjudged the popularity of AUKUS. They continually underestimate the popularity of Labor governments in Queensland, Victoria and Western Australia. And they didn’t have a clue about Gladys’s resignation coming up.

    Faced with the latter, and their already stated position regarding Berejiklian’s sainted invulnerability to criticism, the Media had little choice but to join the anti-ICAC hecklers until, after a few days, they let some dissenters in their ranks finally have a say.

    The punters may not cop it, though.

    The basic position of the Liberal Party seems to be that ICAC-like bodies are fine as long as they go after Labor crooks and don’t catch Liberals on the take. The Media help them by airbrushing away the fact that far more Liberal politicians (Premiers, ministers and backbenchers) have been unmasked by ICAC than Labor politicians.

    “Business” spivs like Tony Shepherd chime in with the line that it doesn’t matter how corrupt you are as long as (a) you’re a Liberal and (b) you allow business to make profits from sweetheart privatisation deals (whose costs are inevitably gouged back from the public, over a longer and less conspicuous term, as part of the cosy arrangement). Any questioning, or variation of these deals by later Labor governments is condemned as “Sovereign Risk”.

    Gradually, at least in theory, the public begins not only to believe that “All politicians are corrupt”, but that corruption is a necessary part of government and an actual good thing… as long as it’s the Libs doing it. Why? Because Libs are “good with money” and “friendly towards business”.

  9. NSW recorded 594 new locally acquired cases of #COVID19 in the 24 hours to 8pm last night.

    Sadly, NSW Health is reporting the deaths of ten people – seven men and three women.

    One person was in their 40s, one person was in their 60s, four people were in their 70s, two people were in their 80s, and two people were in their 90s

  10. Good Morning

    As Itza beat me to the important personnel update I will just add this

    @cheryl_kernot tweets

    “New treasurer Matt Kean engaged in “electric vehicle diplomacy” with Perroret, who until recently questioned whether climate change was man-made, by letting him drive his Tesla (Inside Story)” @DanielBleakley

  11. guytaur @ #1313 Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 – 11:04 am

    Good Morning

    As Itza beat me to the important personnel update I will just add this

    @cheryl_kernot tweets

    “New treasurer Matt Kean engaged in “electric vehicle diplomacy” with Perroret, who until recently questioned whether climate change was man-made, by letting him drive his Tesla (Inside Story)” @DanielBleakley

    They’re pushing hard on EVs, and charge stations infrastructure.

    (it’s not a race 🙂 )

  12. One of the little known byways of the Vietnam War was that we could not use our Carl Gustav recoiless rifles because the Swedes refused to approve using the ammunition.
    Exactly the same set of rules would apply to subs leased off the US.
    We would be allowed to fight US wars but not necessarily our own.
    This would be extremely attractive to the corrupt and incompetent menage that passes for a federal government.


  13. C@tmommasays:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 9:45 am
    Ven @ #939 Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 – 8:28 am


    Cud Chewersays:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 12:47 am
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/05/will-all-submarines-even-nuclear-ones-be-obsolete-and-visible-by-2040

    Remember what I was saying about submarines really serving no purpose post 2040?

    Australia’s proposed nuclear-powered submarines could be obsolete by the time they hit the water in the 2040s due to new technologies making underwater vessels “visible”, some experts argue.

    Don’t tell that to PB’s biggest supporter of this deal.

    Why? I made the point to poroti yesterday when he brought it up as some sort of, la la la I told you so moment, that you know it applies to the Chinese as well?

    But the thing is that the 6 Nuclear powered Sub using countries (which includes China among others) are already using those Subs, whereas Australian Nuclear Sub deal in in La la land. So if and when these things become obsolete, those countries got their some of their money’s worth.

  14. BB

    “The basic position of the Liberal Party seems to be that ICAC-like bodies are fine as long as they go after Labor crooks and don’t catch Liberals on the take. The Media help them by airbrushing away the fact that far more Liberal politicians (Premiers, ministers and backbenchers) have been unmasked by ICAC than Labor politicians.”

    _________________________________________

    Adrian Piccoli on the Drum last night said that the ICAC has been really bad and that the only time it did a good job was getting Obeid and Macdonald.

  15. From the little I’ve heard about the defaults by China’s property speculators, Xi has decided to make an example of them and to make it clear they are subordinate to the Party and therefore to him. They have been allowed to default on their foreign loans but not on their domestic ones. Essentially, a quasi-nationalisation of the assets and liabilities of the speculators is underway.

    So China’s own financial system and internal markets have been insulated for the time being from the stresses in property speculation. The losses will accrue to foreign interests. This is just normal for neo-Imperialist China in many ways. China’s system is State centred and fundamentally inwardly focused. The rest of the world is not China’s problem. We should get used to this China. Their focus is on themselves, not on us. The Imperial system is being reconstructed. The only thing missing is the principle of hereditary dynasty.

  16. Mavis is quite right about the comments on the Tony Shepherd piece: 70-odd comments and but ONE supportive (and even that reckons Perrotet’s not as good as Gladys was).

  17. @adamjacoby tweets

    Conservatism does not mean responsible, it means afraid.

    Afraid of change, difference, equality, transparency, accountability, diversity, meritocracy, emancipation, democracy, compassion, decency and fair competition.

    Conservatives hold us back from becoming better. #auspol

  18. Ven @ #1030 Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 – 11:09 am


    C@tmommasays:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 9:45 am
    Ven @ #939 Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 – 8:28 am


    Cud Chewersays:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 12:47 am
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/05/will-all-submarines-even-nuclear-ones-be-obsolete-and-visible-by-2040

    Remember what I was saying about submarines really serving no purpose post 2040?

    Australia’s proposed nuclear-powered submarines could be obsolete by the time they hit the water in the 2040s due to new technologies making underwater vessels “visible”, some experts argue.

    Don’t tell that to PB’s biggest supporter of this deal.

    Why? I made the point to poroti yesterday when he brought it up as some sort of, la la la I told you so moment, that you know it applies to the Chinese as well?

    But the thing is that the 6 Nuclear powered Sub using countries (which includes China among others) are already using those Subs, whereas Australian Nuclear Sub deal in in La la land. So if and when these things become obsolete, those countries got their some of their money’s worth.

    And that’s why I told you, that the Indo Pacific alliance will get THEIR money’s worth when Australia leases some of these subs. Just like I pointed out to you that India has done just the same thing, except they have leased their subs from Russia.

  19. guytaur @ #1323 Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 – 11:27 am

    @adamjacoby tweets

    Conservatism does not mean responsible, it means afraid.

    Afraid of change, difference, equality, transparency, accountability, diversity, meritocracy, emancipation, democracy, compassion, decency and fair competition.

    Conservatives hold us back from becoming better. #auspol

    Totally. All about fear. Howard was the template. Think of the fearless – Whitlam, Hawke, Keating, Gillard.

  20. @BenDohertyCorro tweets

    “PNG is not capable of resettling refugees and that has been proved over past years. What we should support is that PNG starts negotiations with New Zealand directly. Australia does not have the right to prevent this negotiation.” @BehrouzBoochani

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/06/australia-to-end-offshore-processing-in-papua-new-guinea

    Edit:

    Itza

    Yes. My problems with Labor all come down to the incrementalism restricts Labor from being bold when it needs to be. Not against the philosophy of incrementalism itself.

    On that theme this is a good sign.
    @Albo tweeted 3 hours ago

    Scott Morrison’s proposed corruption watchdog would be the weakest in the nation and would “hide corruption, not expose it”, according to integrity experts.

    Only a Labor Government will deliver a National Anti-Corruption Commission with teeth.

  21. “Everygrande’s debts are over $400 billion Oz. The synergy is that as the thing begins to implode, property values – collateral to many of the bodgie loans – also spiral down in value as fire sales accumulate.”

    BW,

    So less ponzi scheme, more an economy built on margin lending.

    Plus lucky foreign investors are just working out now that they have bought a lower-priority tranche of debt than Chinese investors. Not that it said so on the label, but if you want a commercial return, you take a commercial risk!

  22. Re

    The Australian government has raised concerns about China’s increased incursions into Taiwan’s air defence zone

    Looking at the maps Chinese planes could be flying over Mainland China and still constitute an “incursion” into that zone. It’s very different to Taiwan’s airspace.
    .
    Taiwan Air Defense Identification Zone.

    Taiwan Airspace

  23. Itza
    I’m now more concerned about the Nats position on Greenwich’s VAD bill now Barilaro, who said the Nats would support it, has gone. I don’t know how much sway Trevor Khan, a major proponent, has in the party. Perrottet has said he supports a conscious vote. Perrottet and the independent Greenwich have spoken about ‘Government stability’.

    Hopefully as you say Alex Greenwich will capably negotiate to keep a conscience vote on VAD.

    When Clover had to resign after being got by the “Get Clover” laws, Kristina Keneally strongly supported Alex Greenwich for Sydney, and pushed for Labor not to run a candidate, but to vote for Greenwich.

    Her main argument was he would be good for marriage equality, but that he also had a very progressive outlook generally.

    She made a good choice n that one.

    And thanks for pointing out Lourmarin. I have only read one Camus novel- The Stranger – and found it excellent but depressing.

    Loumarin is 600 Km (2 Renault Zoe battery charges) from Sainte-Foy.

  24. guytaur @ #1324 Wednesday, October 6th, 2021 – 8:27 am

    @adamjacoby tweets

    Conservatism does not mean responsible, it means afraid.

    Afraid of change, difference, equality, transparency, accountability, diversity, meritocracy, emancipation, democracy, compassion, decency and fair competition.

    Conservatives hold us back from becoming better. #auspol

    Often restraint holds us back from making a mistake.

  25. @knausc tweets

    Bernard Collaery has won a bid to overturn a ruling shrouding parts of his trial in secrecy. The ACT court of appeal said open justice was important to deter political prosecutions, among other things. More to come on @GuardianAus shortly.

  26. So less Ponzi scheme, more an economy built on margin lending.

    How do you think they bulked up their economy so spectacularly, so quickly? By opaque fudges to normal accounting rules.

  27. There seems to be a real disconnect between the political commentariat, based mostly in the inner city, eastern suburbs and north shore and the real people in western Sydney. I don’t think many journos properly appreciate how pissed off people are in the LGAs hit hardest by the lock down.

    People are properly furious, and I can’t see Morrison going to an election this year when people’s memories are still fresh of months of hard lock downs and curfews, for which he (rightly) takes a pretty large portion of the blame, while those people have seen a lot of other parts of Sydney pretty much allowed to go about their business.

    It’s very much a city divided right now. Ed Husic nailed the sentiment pretty damn well on insiders on Sunday morning. Let’s be honest, no one from the ABC or SMH, let alone the Guardian, has probably set foot in the western suburbs in over a decade. Especially the Herald. It’s basically an eastern suburbs/ north shore wank fest these days.


  28. Boerwarsays:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 9:53 am
    BK
    ‘Bloomberg reports that a missed bond payment by a Chinese developer has reignited investor angst about the health of the nation’s property sector. Chinese junk dollar bonds were poised for their biggest selloff in at least eight years amid renewed concern that authorities will do little to alleviate the credit crisis gripping the industry. Yields are near a decade high.
    https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/china-s-property-sector-in-turmoil-as-another-developer-hits-trouble-20211005-p58xix.html‘
    ————————————
    I am sure it is all strictly according to Marx, Lenin and the Thought of Xi, but the world’s largest ever property Ponzi scheme is falling apart.

    Following the Evergrande failure to meet interest payments, another three or four major Chinese property developers are having trouble meeting interest payments and/or refinancing their loans.

    Everygrande’s debts are over $400 billion Oz. The synergy is that as the thing begins to implode, property values – collateral to many of the bodgie loans – also spiral down in value as fire sales accumulate.

    So far the Chicommies’ only official response has been to increase the daily incursions into Taiwanese airspace to record daily levels. This is, of course, accompanied with lots of bellicose war mongering, bluster and threats.

    One of the very, very worst reasons for a leader to start a war is to distract his domestic audience.

    China’s Taiwan War Clock is racing towards midnight as we post.

    BW
    Today there is breathless reporting of Toned Abs visiting Taiwan in private capacity.
    The federal government could have sent him in private capacity to convey one of the 2 messages after Taiwan Foreign Minister specifically requested Australia’s help in their war effort against China.
    1. Either Toned Abs could be conveying that Australia will not be in frontline of Taiwan war, which is breaking of our commitment to another foreign ally.
    2. Or they he could be conveying that will be should to shoulder in its war efforts with Taiwan, which will threaten our national security.

  29. ‘Dandy Murray says:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:59 am

    “Everygrande’s debts are over $400 billion Oz. The synergy is that as the thing begins to implode, property values – collateral to many of the bodgie loans – also spiral down in value as fire sales accumulate.”

    BW,

    So less ponzi scheme, more an economy built on margin lending.

    Plus lucky foreign investors are just working out now that they have bought a lower-priority tranche of debt than Chinese investors. Not that it said so on the label, but if you want a commercial return, you take a commercial risk!’
    —————————
    That is not commercial risk. That is sovereign risk. The Comrades will make sure that the Home Front gets first dibs. Mind you, the total debt is $400 billion and of that only $20 billion is o/s debt.


  30. sprocket_says:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:17 am
    Why is Matthew Guy doing a presser in front of a chook pen?

    May be it is Lobster farm with some chooks in it. If so, it makes sense. 🙂

  31. Ven
    Who knows what the Coalition’s intentions are? Last week McKenzie was saying that the Nats were not being shown drafts of Morrison’s Climate Action Plan.
    A nation of mushrooms run by third rate crooks, shysters and liars.

  32. Also, thanks to everyone for your feedback on driving in France, and EVs.

    FredNK, when I saw how many secondhand Zoes were for sale, and how cheaply, I was concerned there may be something wrong with them. But apparently it is just that Renault have cornered the market, as you say.

    I have driven in Paris, but only once (by mistake) around the Arc de Triomphe. I have made sure never to do it again.

    I have lived happily in Sydney without a car since 2014, and would not bother buying one here. GoGet is perfect for us.

    We have also chosen our (very cheap) place between Bordeaux and Bergerac very carefully, bang in the centre of Sainte-Foy, so we will not need a car.

    However, I am taking my mother there for 3 months early next year, and she is very keen to travel, especially to Italy, and it is likely to be her last trip to Europe, so I am happy to indulge. Also, with COVID still very much on the loose, I thought the car might be a good option for staying outside major cities.

    I was a bit worried about taking her, but she is really looking forward to it, and it seems to have given her a new lease of life.

    I also figure an EV can just sit in the garage between our visits, and will not cost much in maintenance apart from battery replacements.

    So thanks again for all the suggestions (and the jokes). I had to do something else last night after making the post, and only have got to checking things now.

  33. Douglas and Milko,
    It looks like we will have to organise our Sydney PB get-together, and farewell party for Douglas and Milko, to be as soon as it can possibly be!

    Let us know what your thoughts are please?

  34. Burgey,
    If Dominic Parrothead thinks Western Sydney can be bought off with a few million $$, then he has another think coming! Though, you’ve got to admit, that’s how Liberals roll. It’s all about money to them and what, or who, it can buy.

  35. guytaur says:
    Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:27 am

    @adamjacoby tweets

    Conservatism does not mean responsible, it means afraid.
    ———————-
    Nah that is rubbish being conservative is about supporting existing social structures and institutions. Conservatives can be pro change but want it introduced gradually and being conservative means taking less risk.

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