The Australian reports the latest Newspoll has Labor returning to a 51-49 lead on two-party preferred after a tied result last time, from primary votes of Coalition 41% (steady), Labor 37% (up one), Greens 11% (steady) and One Nation 3% (steady). Changes on leadership ratings are likewise very modest, with Scott Morrison up a point on approval to 55% and down two on disapproval to 41%, while Anthony Albanese is up two to 40% and down two to 45%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is barely changed at 53-33, compared with 53-32 last time. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1513.
UPDATE (29/6): The Australian has published further results from the poll relating to COVID-19, including a fourth go at the question of how the Prime Minister has handled the situation. This series records a pattern of decline since his debut result of 85% good and 14% poor in April last year, to a current showing of 61% good (down nine over the last two months) and 36% bad (up nine points). Satisfaction with the government’s handling of the vaccine rollout is down three to 50% compared with two months ago, with dissatisfied up three to 46%. A new question on whether Labor would have done better turns up a neutral result, with 25% saying better, 36% no difference and 27% worse.
The other plus of french nuclear is that the french are free of Russian and ME oil/gas blackmail.
It’s 26 hours since my AZ jab and so far not much reaction – some sore joints but that could be due to weeding and sawing!
Genuine question (I once worked in low level nuclear waste storage design), how do the French manage the low level waste, and the high level stuff too for that matter?
citizen
My 2nd jab didn’t leave me feeling as “off”.. but the soreness and tiredness lasted nearly a week.
Hmmm,
With AZ and age, I think we need more information.
I found an amazing GP near us who saw my mother before her first and second doses. If my GP retires (I fear she is my age or older), I will definitely go to this woman.
Mum’s second dose was last Wed, and she was all over the stats. Read the odds for mum from a table (very low odds of complications at 86), and said she mum could divide the probability of her getting blood clots by 14, as this was a second dose.
However, for younger people, the risk is definitely higher.
Does anyone know if the age profile for the chance of being affected by the weird low-platelet blood clots?
Does it match the age profile of developing above rare and weird condition?
Or are we into Poisson statistics?
Thanks in advance for answers.
Looks like NSW is joining Qld and WA.
PM Morrison hasn’t had a jab of AstraZeneca but he’s getting plenty of reactions due to some sort of clot somewhere.
Sceptic
https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated
What would have been interesting (but the study didn’t do the breakdown) is this. Of all those in the UK who had been full vaccinated and then died, what proportion had Pfizer and what propoprtion had AZ.
Let’s just do a little thought experiment … if you were the leader of a nation, and you had completely failed to order enough vaccines for the population, which all evidence suggests is simply crying out to get vaccinated, largely because you had also screwed up the quarantine system and were now facing a new and deadly wave of the virus as a result … would you perhaps consider trying to generate some vaccine hesitancy so that you could then claim there were indeed enough vaccines to meet the demand and it was therefore not your fault that your country was insufficiently vaccinated and so had to remain isolated and vulnerable?
Asking for an enemy.
Spray @ #2187 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 4:57 pm
Thankyou – from fellow citizen.
Goll @ #2207 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 4:58 pm
I heard his genius has had a stroke.
Is this true?
Goll @ #2207 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 5:28 pm
Very good! 😆
Vaccine causal link
A helpful example might be the link between sunburn and ice cream. Sunburn may appear to occur after people eat ice cream. Eating ice cream doesn’t cause the sunburn; rather, ice cream is eaten more frequently by people out in the sun. So ice-cream eaters aren’t necessarily a genetically or physiologically ‘at risk’ group when it comes to sunburn, even if they get sunburn more frequently.
So, compared to the AstraZeneca vaccine, the chance of blood clots is about 50 times greater for the pill, 2500 times greater for pregnancy, and 38,750 times greater from COVID-19 infection.
Based on the UK percentages, if all Australians contracted COVID-19, 7.7 million of them would get COVID-related blood clots, and 750,000 would likely die from the disease (based on global averages). On the other hand, if every Australian got the vaccine, 200 would develop blood clots – less than the number of people who’ve already died in Australia from COVID-19 (909 people from 29,000 cases).
With an average eight blood-clot cases per million in the UK, the risk of blood clots from the AstraZeneca vaccine is much lower than the risks of blood clot from an oral contraceptive pill (400 per million in Australia), pregnancy (2000 per million) or severe COVID-19 itself (about 31% of people admitted to the ICU, or 310,000 per million ).
https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/medicine/astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clots-statistics-percentage/
guytaur @ #2181 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 4:48 pm
A 50,000-1 chance of a clot vs risk of Covid infection and more lockdowns.
It’s a no brainer.
ACT position on giving AZ at vaccination hubs is in line with NSW – hubs are not the appropriate place for in-depth discussions on the risks for under 60s.
Presumably all states and territories are taking a similar position?
lizzie says:
Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 5:35 pm
Is this true?
The_Pythia
@TPythia
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Labor states will find supply tricky while loads of young people have been getting Pfizer in Liberal South Australia for weeks. Also Littleproud’s Nats electorate was vaccinating all comers with Pfizer since forever. #porkbarrellingvaccine, I guess.
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Given this government’s track record this is highly believable, except for one thing. There are far more complex logistics in accurately distributing Pfizer vaccines to your mates and their electors than there are in distributing money to them. Still, given that Gladys claimed today that they were not running short of Pfizer, there is a real possibility of that Pfizer vaccines were being distributed on a political basis.
Spray @5:01pm
Regarding WA tests.. which day is this?
Hasn’t shown up here: https://www.covid19data.com.au/testing
Player One @ #2211 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 5:32 pm
I’m taking him on face value that he just wants more people being vaccinated. It’s a transactional tactic.
citizen @ #2218 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 5:40 pm
That’s fair enough.
Barnaby is sure to have a mate somewhere near Armidale or Tamworth who is itching to sell some land to the Government for a nuclear power plant.
TPOF
I’m just trundling along behind the crowd, doing what I’m told, and hoping that everything will work out OK. Like many others in Morrison-world, I feel powerless at the moment.
Sceptic @ #2168 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 4:31 pm
I admit, I haven’t read the link, but I believe that the AZ vaccine doesn’t cause Deep Vein Thrombosis. So the comparison of numbers between DVT and the blood clot that kills from the AZ vaccine is like comparing apples with oranges, it seems to me.
@drkerrynphelps tweets
Age recommendation change announced by @ScottMorrisonMP without consulting the medical profession. Political decision to move AstraZeneca vaccine stocks while waiting for mRNA supplies to arrive. GPs blindsided, left to negotiate risk/ benefit with patients against ATAGI advice
Rex Douglas @ #2212 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 5:39 pm
Less risk of Covid-19 and more risk of a blood clot if you are <50 in my neck of the woods.
I had assumed from the beginning that Pfizer would be distributed by Morrison on a political basis as every other grants/distribution program has been.
Of course Morrison would prevent the figures becoming available but every jab of AZ and Pfizer would be recorded on a location basis and could be consolidated by electorate. Someone just has to locate the spreadsheet (in Hunt’s office?)
A bit of light relief.
Simon Katich @ #2208 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 5:34 pm
And I know what sort of stroke too. 😐
Mick from GC @3:43
“I’d actually encourage anyone and everyone to go out and get an AZ shot ASAP. If you procrastinate, and wait for Pfizer, believing it’s far superior, you run the risk of delaying further our recovery and path out of lock downs. Anyway……that’s my 2 cents on this matter.”
Whilst the sensible thing to do is just to go out and get vaccinated now with whatever you can get, the rest of what you say does not follow.
It is very likely that we will need a third booster shot before we can have quarantine free travel with the rest of the world. And those who have had the AZ shot will have to be first in line for the booster.
citizen @ #2223 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 5:53 pm
Can Senate Estimates call for the information?
guytaur,
And that is why people like Jonathan Green give me the shits.
Any Australian should be able to see that the Morrison government no longer feels it is accountable to anyone, except perhaps Rupert, Neinfax and Channel 7, least of all Australian voters. It is an 8-year-old government that is only going to get worse as the time-servers get a go.
Rupert Murdoch started this editorial line in the lat 1970’s. Politicians and political parties are all corrupt and bad. There are all the same.
So, people stop being interested in politics, not caring who wins: “no matter who you vote for, the Government always get in” etc.
But, the nasty little secret is that those who benefit from conservative governments, who always privatise the profits and socialise the losses, quietly go out and vote conservative (Coalition in Australia).
The newsltd hacks and lib/nats propaganda media units are being caught out playing politics by defending Morrison and showing how Narcissistic they are
They claim to go to see a doctor to get advice do not listen to the premiers or their chief medical officers , and in the next statement they claim Scott Morrison is correct
And they cannot see how that is not playing politics and wrong
Morrison lied about the premiers/chief medical officers , also Scott Morrison is not a medical doctor
It is very likely that we will need a third booster shot before we can have quarantine free travel with the rest of the world. And those who have had the AZ shot will have to be first in line for the booster.
So, why not combine the best of all worlds wrt the AZ vaccine, for those for whom it is eminently safe to get it, and give them boosters at 4 weeks and 8 weeks? 3 shots should theoretically boost the immunity cf 2 shots of AZ? Seeing as how we can produce a surfeit of AZ.
Stephen Koukoulas
@TheKouk
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By 2025, no child will be living without a car park.
And that is why people like Jonathan Green give me the shits.
Ditto. The guy is just so insufferably smug. One of those, I’m more cluey than the rest of you, insiders.
C@t
In practice, a lot of people are going to get their first AZ shot in the next couple of months and then get Pfizer for their second shot. For several reasons. One of which will be the shorter dosing interval for Pfizer.
My problem is that we’re still in denial about the relative weakness of AZ and the sick Hunt still hasn’t breathed a word about the need for a booster and its probably time the government made a booster part of the plan. Its also time the media caught on.
Btw, despite the limited mixed vaccine trials, I’ve still not seen any hard numbers on where you stand with a 1st dose of AZ and a second dose of Pfizer – compared to 2 doses of Pfizer. Again, lots of weasel words are being used.
NSW looks like it had 26,000 Cth vaccines yesterday, Victoria about 16,000 Cth vaccines
A wonderful man:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/639580/tonight-celebrating-silk-s-400th-why-the-champ-thought-choco-didn-t-like-him
My sibling saw her GP today. They discussed the covid vaccine. He basically said that the govt has been telling lots of lies and his GP cohort have had a gutful of it.
When you lose the GP cohort………
Sceptic
The thing about commuter carparks is that they’re politically popular, but often a waste of money. In most places all a commuter carpark does is it allows someone who would have formerly used a bus to get to the train station to instead use a car. The car parking spaces that represent new users (of the train) are in a minority.
There are of course exceptions. Train stations that happen to be somewhere where land is cheap and you can build a big parking station relatively cost effectively. Holsworthy station for instance. There’s probably a few stations on the Central Coast line. But not Woy Woy, where building new parking stations is expensive.
Serious question.
Has Scummo been sighted today?
Cud,
When I had my first AZ jab I was given an appointment for the second one.
D & M
GreenJ was making a joke to make exactly that same point. Thus the deer reference.
You may think it’s smug but it’s not an attempt to say don’t hold the government accountable.
Scomo STILL nowhere to be seen.
Cud Chewer @ #2238 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 6:02 pm
I’d need it explained to me why 2 shots of differing type vaccine is better than 2 shots of same type vaccine.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/06/27/newspoll-51-49-to-labor-10/comment-page-45/#comment-3639588
… there’s a pattern to it, set or have a flunky set, something off.
Then wait for the noise to reduce [had a ‘boss’ like it once, even arrogant enough to misbehave in front of a customer, got said ‘boss’ undone, oops].
Come in and be there for the glory?
Victoria @ #2242 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 6:06 pm
Why wouldn’t said GP just present the stats without the politics ..?
lizzie @ #2207 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 5:35 pm
If it was they’d never have given me a Pfizer. Let alone two. But they did.
Though I guess technically I’m in a Lib electorate.
BK @ #2245 Wednesday, June 30th, 2021 – 5:40 pm
Where is that bloody Rapture when you need it?
I would suggest he is in the hall of mirrors but… nah. He is busy hatching another cunning stunt of a plan.