The Age/Herald yesterday brought us the third result in its monthly federal polling series from Resolve Strategic, which had the Coalition on 40% (up one), Labor on 36% (up one), the Greens on 10% (down two) and One Nation on 3% (up one). This series doesn’t provide a published two-party result, but based on the last election this suggests a Labor lead of 50.5-49.5, down from around 51-49 last time. Scott Morrison has taken a hit on his personal ratings, down five on approval to 48% and up two on disapproval to 40%, while Anthony Albanese is down a point on both, to 31% and 44% respectively. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is at 46-23, unchanged in magnitude from 48-25 last time.
Full results from the poll, which was conducted last Tuesday to Saturday from a sample of 1600, can be viewed here. This includes the poll’s usual results for leader attributes and best party to handle various issues, as well as breakdowns for all major questions by region and gender. After last month’s poll unusually found Labor doing better in New South Wales than Victoria, this result reverts to normal. The pollster has also been up and down in its gender breakdowns, having found Labor doing better among women in the second poll a month ago, but little gender gap in the first poll and the third.
Though McCormack’s a plodder, it’s unlikely that Joyce will prevail. If there’s a spill, my pick is Littleproud:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/why-it-is-now-or-never-for-joyce-to-reclaim-the-leadership-20210620-p582ml.html
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Scottsays:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:42 pm
What really makes the federal political system in Australia a joke
A minor party like the National Party , claiming to be a Majority government
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They on their own never claimed that. In coalition with Libs, Yes.
Another answer to David WH
between the Major 2 Political parties
Labor has 45% of the seats in the house of reps
Liberal party has 39.7% of the seats in the house of reps
Liberal Party is in government
Ven,
Ari Melber is a lawyer. He is also a host on MSNBC. His most recent show outlined the legal case against Donald Trump and had a discussion with a Prosecutor who wrote the law in New York that can take whole organisations down, like The Trump Organisation:
https://youtu.be/OZRDsbA2CRA
Ven says:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:46 pm
They on their own never claimed that. In coalition with Libs, Yes.
They got no right to even claim that , because even in the coalition
Liberal Party does not have majority of seats , to form majority government
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Shellbellsays:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:07 pm
My mate Andrew Gee to come through the middle, or around the side, or underneath or maybe over the top.
Amazed if Littleproud does not benefit.
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It is possible that both have learnt from Morrison.
Sorry Ven. This is the clip that talks about the Insurrection charges:
https://youtu.be/b6yuPkvyYRU
It starts 5 minutes in and the particular segment that may interest you is when a former federal prosecutor, Glenn Kirschner, is interviewed.
And while the Country Party’s in turmoil, Dutton should make a move while Morrison’s in quarantine.
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Scottsays:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:51 pm
Ven says:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:46 pm
They on their own never claimed that. In coalition with Libs, Yes.
They got no right to even claim that , because even in the coalition
Liberal Party does not have majority of seats , to form majority government
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Do you know that in Australian Constitution, PM is the person who has confidence on majority of members of HOR?
It does not matter whether he/she gets it from one party or multiple parties or one party and multiple individuals.
Because Libs and Nats are in coalition, they can claim majority government
Gillard became PM after 2020 election and ALP claimed majority government because of third scenario from above
I think Dutton will make a move , if Joyce does become the National Party leader
Morrison and Joyce team – would end like Turnbull and Joyce
Dutton and Joyce team – Libs/nats in opposition for a lengthy period
Re TT @6:39.
Not familiar with the situation in Boothby. One thing is, however, that no matter how attractive the Liberal candidate, a vote for that person is a vote for Scott Morrison, a vote for Peter Dutton, A vote for Eric Abetz, a vote for Matt Canavan, a vote for Stuart Robert, a vote for Barnaby Joyce, etc etc. The local member will be nothing more than a cypher that helps keep an ugly, corrupt and incompetent hard-line right wing Government in power. In a sense the candidate doesn’t matter. If the Labor candidate, when he/she eventually gets preselected, turns out to be a dud, that should be the campaign message.
Bill Bowtell on the Project just now about Morrison et al choosing AstraZeneca over Pfizer and the disaster that has caused.
The last Country Party leader who was embued with authority was McEwen, dying (1980) of ‘self-imposed starvation’ resulting from severe dermatitis.
Ven says:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 7:00 pm
Do you know that in Australian Constitution, PM is the person who has confidence on majority of members of HOR?
It does not matter whether he/she gets it from one party or multiple parties or one party and multiple individuals.
Because Libs and Nats are in coalition, they can claim majority government
Gillard became PM after 2020 election and ALP claimed majority government because of third scenario from above
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Yes i understand how it works , Labor after the 2010 federal election did not claim Majority government , yes they claim the numbers to form government , they claimed to be a minority government
The liberal party and National Partys , claim to be different political entities , like Labor and the greens
So If Liberal Party can not form Majority government , if they need other members/parties to help them to get the numbers to be in government ,
They are a minority government , The national party , like the greens and other independents who helped Labor into government can withdraw their support.
On the other hand if the National party merged with Liberal Party like in QLD
That would be a majority government
Citizen
Had he made any mention of the covid situation in Sydney?
Greensborough Growlersays:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:15 pm
Not from that.
That was in Grade 4. I took her to the social in Grade 7. Caught up with her again for the first time in over 30 years in 2019.
Victoria
I came in part way through the broadcast, so only heard about the decision to choose AZ.
Citizen
No worries. Was interested to know his thoughts on it.
You would have thought “conservatives” would be right at home with risk management and contingency planning. Taking precautions. Erring on the side of caution. That sort of thing.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/06/16/resolve-strategic-coalition-40-labor-36-greens-10/comment-page-49/#comment-3629695
Despite the ‘challenges’ facing Australia, structurally such as climate, competitiveness, not complex economy, IHDI/ HDI and other rankings, national security and public safety, beyond tactical crises, I can’t imagine a national unity fed gov of Labs and Libs/ Nats, as in reaching out across the aisle to advance Australia, fair.
But an alliance of Greens/ Labs would make sense to me given coalition of Libs/ Nats patterns, PM the one that has ‘confidence’ of parliament, if not the numbers, which leaves largely independents.
Besides it would give social/ the media …
Well I have to say that NSW could do with taking a few leaves out of WA’s book when it comes to Covid management. It feels like the NSW govt has been slow to respond to this outbreak, and they seem ideologically opposed to lockdowns even though we know they work.
Pretty poor effort really. And all the poorer given the splashy, frothy coverage of the premier’s new love interest that’s been all over the media here this weekend. If only the govt had had its mind on the job at hand instead of media management of personal relationships.
Firefox2 @ #2373 Sunday, June 20th, 2021 – 6:02 pm
Don’t really get the whole “coal miners driving Teslas” thing. Coal miners don’t actually have an axe to grind against EV’s. EV’s run on electricity, which we currently get mostly from coal. More EV’s means more demand for electricity, means more demand for coal. So in fact, coal miners should love EV’s.
What we need to see is “oil rig workers driving Teslas”, probably with a side of “coal miners party off grid with solar and batteries”. Then we’d be getting somewhere.
It’s time to get rid of Pauline Hanson!
https://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/news/revealed-the-greens-candidate-who-will-defeat-paul/4280635/
“LNP Senator Amanda” would be Amanda Stoker.
For those wondering, Senator Waters is only half way though her 6 year term, so is not up for election this time.
Brilliant Scotty from Marketing gives Boris US owned Tim Tams.
‘You give us Tim Tams, we give you Penguins’: Scott Morrison and Boris Johnson exchange biscuits as they announce a trade agreement.
On ministers of state:
“The Governor-General may appoint officers to administer such departments of State of the Commonwealth as the Governor-General in Council may establish.
Such officers shall hold office during the pleasure of the Governor-General. They shall be members of the Federal Executive Council, and shall be the Queen’s Ministers of State for the Commonwealth.
After the first general election no Minister of State shall hold office for a longer period than three months unless he is or becomes a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.”
In other words, anything goes provided they don’t serve more than three months.
It’s not the party with the most seats that automatically forms government but the party, or combination of parties, that is able to guarantee the confidence of the parliament. That’s not an unusual circumstance throughout the world.
“Don’t really get the whole “coal miners driving Teslas” thing. Coal miners don’t actually have an axe to grind against EV’s. EV’s run on electricity, which we currently get mostly from coal. More EV’s means more demand for electricity, means more demand for coal. So in fact, coal miners should love EV’s.”
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Tesla supercharging stations are or will be all powered by renewables though.
All Tesla Supercharger stations to be solar powered, says Musk: https://reneweconomy.com.au/all-tesla-supercharger-stations-to-be-solar-powered-says-musk-55264/
But yes, getting oil rig workers driving them would be great too.
I think the main point is to show those who wouldn’t normally be interested in them just how good they are. There is a misconception out there that electric engines are weak compared to combustion engines, which just isn’t true. They may not sound as powerful but you can see from the reactions of the drivers that they feel very powerful.
David That’s not an unusual circumstance throughout the world.
In fact it’s situation normal in polities that use proportional representation (most EU Parliamentary democracies, ACT) or MMP (e.g. Germany, NZ).
Recon @ #2189 Sunday, June 20th, 2021 – 2:52 pm
Speaking of rock and roll there’s an ever so so slightly out of tune medieval wind instrument featured in ‘Zeppelin’s Stairway to Heaven….also Bon Scott was no slouch when it came to the medieval wind instrument back in the day as a member of Fraternity…where not talking about the chops required to play Bach, but still……
You’re a tremendously interesting fellow Recon…..
mundo @ #2296 Sunday, June 20th, 2021 – 8:08 pm
we’re not talking….
davidwh says:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 7:50 pm
It’s not the party with the most seats that automatically forms government but the party, or combination of parties, that is able to guarantee the confidence of the parliament. That’s not an unusual circumstance throughout the world.
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I agree , am not disagreeing on how government is form
What i am disagreeing on ,is technically what is a majority government and a government which is form by other parties or members .
This is what i call a majority government for the liberal party
2013 federal election , The liberal party won enough seats in the house of reps to govern alone , they did not need the National party at all to form government
This is what i call a minority government for the liberal party
2016 federal election , Where the Liberal Party lost too many seats to be able to govern alone and needed the national party
Mavis @ #2275 Sunday, June 20th, 2021 – 6:57 pm
Sweet Jesus Mavis, get a grip.
Q. What can Xi do around times faster than Morrison and Hunt taking population differentials into account?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1226579.shtml
Scott it never is a majority Liberal Government even when they have 76 Liberal seats. It’s a formal coalition of Libetal/LNP/Nationals regardless of what the party mix ends up.
I am struggling to understand what your point is.
God, remember when the sky was tipped To fall in under the Gillard minority government?
Never lost a vote of confidence (which is what counts) passed a ton of meaningful legislation and drove the Liberals and their cheersquad mad.
Minority governments and loose coalitions can be found all over the world.
Who would have thought a bunch of widely disparate parties could combine to get rid of Netanyahu?
Firefox2 @ #2426 Sunday, June 20th, 2021 – 7:53 pm
You can pretty much drop the “are” from that, in Australia at least. And it’s unlikely the “will be” will happen before the grid itself is powered by renewables.
And with home charging being more commonplace than supercharging, it’s the grid’s energy mix that really matters.
Musk says a lot of things, mostly of various degrees of dubiousness and almost always with an indefinite timeframe. That one is even more dubious and open-ended than most.
Teslas are awesome cars. I just wish Elon would stay the hell away from them. He can go do SpaceX or The Boring Company and let Tesla worry about Tesla.
I have to laugh at Matt Canavan , claiming Barnaby Joyce stands up for the National Party more than Micheal McCormack
If this was correct , If Joyce does challenge and wins the National Party , will Joyce withdraw support for the Liberal Party
Joyce is on record saying he is sick of the government being in his life , and he will not support any Liberal Party leader who wants action on climate change.
At the end of the day Barnaby Joyce would be doing the same as Micheal McCormack , the national party would still be in the coalition
davidwh says:
Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:22 pm
Scott it never is a majority Liberal Government even when they have 76 Liberal seats. It’s a formal coalition of Libetal/LNP/Nationals regardless of what the party mix ends up.
I am struggling to understand what your point is.
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If its a formal coalition ,then they are not seperate political entities as they claim , deliberately misleading voters
They should be made forced into one party , or made to stand a candidate against each other in seats they contest
Scott – best to quit trying to confuse us about coalitions.
Scott is saying that people who vote for the Liberal Party are not necessarily voting for the Coalition. If you say ‘they are the one and the same’ then Scott is arguing the ballot should reflect this. The ballot should say “Coalition; Liberals and Nationals”.
And then…. possibly…. some people may reflect on their ballot choices differently.
Dan Bleakley who is doing the Coal miners drive Tesla Youtube channel is actually originally from Central Qld himself, near Clermont where Adani is supposed to start, and his brother works for one of those coal mines, as do a bunch of his old mates. An ex-mining engineer himself I believe, now living in the heart of latte drinking, smashed Avo eating, extinction rebelling Melbourne.
So it’s obvious he was interested to show them what it was like compared to the utter BS being peddled about EV’s and the future of renewables and electrified transport.
These communities stand to have to deal with climate change and the renewables transition to a significant extent, and it is actually great that they are being given an opportunity to get a sense of what the future might be in a real sense. Other than just thinking about losing their jobs. From someone who knows where they’ve been but can also see what potential the future offers and the real challenges coming down the line.
Interesting to see Dan is getting all sorts of people to drive his Tesla now, such as SHY and David Pocock, except politicians who are from parties that accept donations from oil companies. So no Lib, Nat or Labor pollies, unless of course they can work to stop their parties taking corrupting corporate donations from oil companies.
Watching Insiders I find it sad that these journos can talk about short supply of vaccine and not breathe a word of the government’s stuffup last July.
Lib Nat coalition ceases at each election and is renegotiated after the election. There are numerous ways in which parties can work together as well as compete.
You know,
If I were Dutton and the rest of the liberals, I’d be thinking that spilling against Promo would be a good way to pin him with the blame of the Vaccine stuff-ups and to reset the agenda. All they’d need to do is pay through the nose to super charge our supply of Pfizer and get everyone done before xmas and call an election for late Feb next year on the coat tails of that success.
If i were the ALP, I’d be hoping that happens, because Dutton won’t be able to hold himself back from getting really ugly and everyone will remember why they don’t like him.
Anyway, anyone heard anything form dear Albo Lately?
South
Has the vaccine stuffup really stuck yet? Note what I said above about Insiders. I knew mid last year that our bean counters had fucked things up. But when will the media figure it out?
Wonder if Joyce and Morrison get on together? Hardly see them together anywhere.
The National Party represent the miners and big agribusiness, not farmers nor others who live in rural and regional Australia.
Personally I think it will make diddly difference in voting habits of city blue ribbon seats if the Liberal Party were forced to change their name to the “I’m with the Nutters” Party. Might even increase their primary.
The fact remains tho that neither party in the Coalition could govern in their own right. You are this getting a Party of compromises. A party that has to take notice of the extreme edges of the National Party to the point it wags the dog.
That the ALP haven’t been able to use this as a successful tactic is enlightening.
Simon do you believe people are not aware that the Liberals and Nationals are in coalition? In any case under our democratic system parties and individuals are free to nominate or not nominate for any electorate.
Technically we elect representatives and not political parties.
Interesting video with Professor Andrew McNaughton talking about HS2 in England.
The first part is a very clear explanation of why it needs to be built and yes this carries over to here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmWPr1_Ny2E