The Age/Herald yesterday brought us the third result in its monthly federal polling series from Resolve Strategic, which had the Coalition on 40% (up one), Labor on 36% (up one), the Greens on 10% (down two) and One Nation on 3% (up one). This series doesn’t provide a published two-party result, but based on the last election this suggests a Labor lead of 50.5-49.5, down from around 51-49 last time. Scott Morrison has taken a hit on his personal ratings, down five on approval to 48% and up two on disapproval to 40%, while Anthony Albanese is down a point on both, to 31% and 44% respectively. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is at 46-23, unchanged in magnitude from 48-25 last time.
Full results from the poll, which was conducted last Tuesday to Saturday from a sample of 1600, can be viewed here. This includes the poll’s usual results for leader attributes and best party to handle various issues, as well as breakdowns for all major questions by region and gender. After last month’s poll unusually found Labor doing better in New South Wales than Victoria, this result reverts to normal. The pollster has also been up and down in its gender breakdowns, having found Labor doing better among women in the second poll a month ago, but little gender gap in the first poll and the third.
guytaur,
Have you worked out what Marles was talking about yet?
I notice Nicole Flint is unhappy with attempts to restrict the influx of these new members of the Liberal Party of SA. Saying it is undemocratic.
If she wants a fuller democracy I assume she would be a fan of open primaries to select one or more people to represent a political party at an election. Open it up to everyone to vote on it. Not just paid up members of that party. But everyone with the gumption to get out to a booth and tick a box.
Hey ~ even better. Our taxes go to these parties. So everybody is automatically an honorary member and can vote on selections.
I know a goodly proportion of the Mayo Lib members and I can heartedly say that leaving it up to them to choose a candidate for a winnable seat is hardly the most democratic or wise way of doing it. It is more like watching the build up in Lord of the Flies. Or, as the pantomimes are humorous, an all-in at the WWE.
Lizzie, one that always intrigued me was that Victorians pronounce castle and towns that have that word in their name with the “a” pronounced as in apple. We pronounce the “a” as are.
Years ago we had a Queenslander working with us and whenever we worked away from home he would go and pack his port (short for portmanteau) whereas the rest of us packed a case (for suitcase) Of course we ragged the crap out of him and he eventually made the point that at a railway station, as you could in those days, you might find a Porter to help you with your port but you would never find a Caser to help you with your case.
Barney
Have you worked out that directly quoting two politicians leaves you with no room to confuse matters.
If Marles was so clear Bandt saying look here is perfectly fine.
So stop screaming at people using direct quotes and pretending we don’t understand them.
@SatPaper tweets
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guytaur @ #104 Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 – 9:13 am
Marles was only talking about policy.
Bandt’s post implies that things would be exactly the same if Labor was in Government.
That is not a logical position as it discounts completely how a policy can be implemented.
Where in the policy does it say that you must further persecute them once they are detained?
It doesn’t, that all comes down to how the Government chose to implement the policy.
I grew up in Sydney but now live in Canberra.
One state difference that caught me out was scallops. To me they were potato slices fried in batter. In Melbourne I was given bits of orange coloured seafood fried in batter. I know, I should have asked for potato cakes. So in Canberra it’s usually ‘potato scallops’ to keep everyone happy.
Listening to and reading ALP MPs over the issue of Christmas Island – only one of them clearly and convincingly answers questions like ‘what would the ALP do’.
Unfortunately she comes from the wrong house and wrong state to be leader. IMO, the other concerns about her leading the ALP have, in recent times, disappeared in the face of her consistently impressive performances.
I’m a Victorian teaching history in NSW (5k across the border). Every time I pronounce ‘castle’ the class falls about laughing.
citizen @ #107 Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 – 9:21 am
In SA you need to ask for a potato fritter. 🙂
Moving from Sydney to Adelaide is a challenge. Hard to stay out of fights when the bartender doesn’t know what a pint is and the pool players all cheat.
citizen @ #58 Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 – 9:59 am
The best pasties in Australia (and Cornwall for that matter) are made at Chelsea Bakery, at 86 Main St, Mittagong. Just like my Aunty Agnes’s. I buy several every time I pass through. I detour from the expressway to get some.
C/- The Guardian
“For allegations of child abuse, sexual misconduct or serious crimimal conduct, the first port of call is SA. Complaints can also be made independently to the Australian Institute of Sport or Sport Integrity Australia, the email said.
SA said Baumann and president Kieren Perkins would meet with Groves, and that it was “looking forward to having this constructive conversation”, according to Nine newspapers.”
Police should be first port of call not SA and Perkins is not qualified.
I see Jeremy Poxon is still being a wanker on Twitter.
Barney
Your problem is that Bandt is 100% and your focus group sophistry is failing faced with reality.
Cat
I see you are still be a wanker on PB.
Yabba, I used to work near Mittagong on a six month project. loved the pies at a bakery inMittagong. Best I ever tasted by some distance. Better even than red door bakery here in Adelaide. It was waaaay back tho. Maybe late 90’s. Guessing it was the same place. Super glad to hear it still puts a smile on dials.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/06/16/resolve-strategic-coalition-40-labor-36-greens-10/comment-page-2/#comment-3626875
Antepodeans.
Amateurs.
Colonials.
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All of the above.
Human trafficking is an internationally organised criminal racket. The cargo is trafficked into a legal and economic twilight zone. It’s organised in the same way as the illegal trafficking of weapons and drugs, and relies on money laundering, the corruption of officials and the exploitation of the vulnerable.
The Greens have set themselves up as the promoters of human trafficking.
N
I see you are still using the Trumpian talking points.
Glad Bludgers can see you burnishing your right wing credentials.
@ChristineMilne tweets
Remember when Julie Bishop said ‘You’re not a celebrity, you’re an elected representative. You’re not Hollywood,’getting stuck into Julia Gillard. Now who’s got the Barbie Doll? #auspol
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What’s Bishop done now?
Granny Anny @ #102 Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 – 11:11 am
re Queensland and ‘castle pronunciation. In the middle of Townsville there is a prominent hill, shaped like a castle, that is named Castle Hill. The locals call it Cass’l Hill. Everybody else calls it Cars’l Hill. Go figure.
I married a Croweater and took my new bride to Adelaide to meet her grandmother way back in the late 60’s. I was sent to the shops to buy some groceries and thought the shopkeeper was being difficult until we realised what I called pumpkin he reckoned was trombone.
I was so frustrated I called into the pub on the way home. I grew up on the goldfields of WA where the average beer, at the time, was called a pot, but if you went to the coast you had to remember to ask for a middy.
When I entered that SA pub, the barmaid obviously recognised a yokel so when I asked for a beer she asked what size so I said a pot. She came back with this thing bigger than a bucket and as we all know, South Australian beer is made from the sludge at the bottom of the Murray River.
guytaur @ #116 Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 – 11:28 am
I guess you’re the best judge of that.
Btw, is Private School Boy and entitled tosser, Jeremy Poxon, still making a wage from exploiting the Unemployed, while he sits around all day being a mosquito that constantly attempts to cause irritation for the Labor Party? Sure looks like it.
Note that coal was phased out in SA back in 2016. Past tense mate. Coal is already over in South Australia.
“Coal was phased out in 2016. Today the grid is dominated by wind and solar backed up by battery storage and interstate grid connectivity, with peaking gas being used as a temporary generation technology until South Australia moves to net 100 per cent renewables.”
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/06/06/south-australia-climate-change/
Two distinct issues.
Arrivals by boat. Issue one. This is what Marles was talking about.
Cruel treatment of one particular AS family who had been living, working and going to school in Biloela and who had been embraced by the community. Issue two.
Now, Bandt and others are going on about how labor and coalition have the same policy. Given that, then the family would have been living in Biloela under a labor government.
The big difference between labor and the coalition is on the treatment of this particular family. Labor would not have forced the family out of Biloela and into detention on Christmas Island. Labor would have allowed this family to remain in Biloela and a labor immigration minister would have used his or her ministerial discretion to allow the family to remain in Biloela on a permanent basis.
This position has been articulated more than once by labor.
Now, if Bandt and others want to muddy the two issues then so be it. Up to them to drag politics into it. Climate inaction and AS inaction by th3 greens is their ongoing legacy and it appears they want this “ legacy” to continue.
Cat
The truth is you may not like Poxon agreeing with the Greens on a view on Labor policy. That doesn’t make him a wanker.
I don’t agree with him on some comments he has made about the Greens approach to politics either.
Calling him a wanker doesn’t do anything to help your argument
Renewables investment surging, despite the corrupt roadblock of the Federal LNP. Storage is the next big thing.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/06/16/renewables-investment-michael-pascoe/
Simon Katich @ #115 Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 – 11:29 am
Same place. Same people.
.doyley says:
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 11:41 am
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Now, if Bandt and others want to muddy the two issues then so be it. Up to them to drag politics into it. Climate inaction and AS inaction by th3 greens is their ongoing legacy and it appears they want this “ legacy” to continue.’
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Angry Bandt never saw a wedgie he didn’t love.
Doyley
Labor is being too cute by half.
I posted a range of views.
One was the Leader of the Greens saying directly look at this Labor quote.
I got the same reaction as the one where a lobbyist for unemployed people with no expertise in immigration law as far as I know sees Labor as at one with the Liberals. A lobbyist I know has some very disparaging things to say about the Greens in his lobbying area.
This is why Labor is wedged.
You have learnt nothing.
I stand by my endorsement of Rex’s comment.
So don’t say I am blind to party interests in rhetoric.
Labor has been trying to excuse itself for folding on human rights.
Stop saying our policy is the same as the Liberals. Then you won’t have to say no it’s different from the Liberals.
The roughly bipartisan policy against maritime arrivals is sensible and humane, the latter on several levels. It will reduce (and has actually eliminated) immigrant deaths at sea, has killed the people smuggling business, and is fair to other refugees whose cases are just as deserving as the plight of most oppressed boat person.
Allowing immigrants to self-select is rotten policy. Conferring an aura of nobility on immigrants simply because they go to the considerable risk and expense of coming by boat is nonsense. It doesn’t make them any more desperate or hard-done-by than the Ethiopian family starving in an African camp, or the Syrian couple fleeing God knows what Baathist faction or Islamic sect in the Middle East.
We owe our distressed fellow human beings some kind of a prima facie duty, wherever they are situated, and whatever their circumstances. But this is only within the rules we have agreed to abide by via international treaty, and the laws of our own land, especially the latter.
Labor tried the permissive approach to maritime arrivals and saw an original trickle turn into tens of thousands, which inevitably came to include deaths at sea, as the boats they came on became more unsafe, and the people smugglers more cynical and industrialized.
It was a situation that became untenable as a policy, and operated against our wider responsibilities to others equally deserving.
From being a humanitarian gesture on Australia’s part, it turned into blackmail on the part of the boat people and their criminal enablers. It was based on the fiction that if you were so desperate as to risk a boat trip you must be a special case, deserving of preferential treatment compared to others. It had to be stopped, and it has been.
Unfortunately there have been some that have been caught up on the cusp of policy change. They came here more or less innocently (or naively) believing that the situation would never change, or perhaps not knowing that it had. There was an acceleration towards the end as a change in policy became more likely.
These last relatively few arrivals should be allowed to stay, always dependent upon the facts of individual cases, security and criminal checks, and their good behaviour while here, the involvement of children and other humanitarian considerations. That would be the basic policy position I would take if I had any say in the matter.
On that basis the Biloela family should be allowed to stay and take up full citizenship. There will most likely be quite a few others, but not an unmanageable amount.
But one thing should be made clear: no more boat arrivals. No-one, not even the most oppressed refugee, can now claim that Australia’s policy position on irregular (ie. non-visa), self-selected arrivals is unclear.
guytaur,
It’s my opinion about the guy and my definition of what it takes to be labelled a wanker. He fits the definition perfectly. Whether he criticises Greens policy as well is beside the point.
When the facts change, I will change my mind.
Cat
It does nothing to say he is wrong about the issue.
Guytaur – try holding the vomit in…
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/it-sent-a-message-julie-bishop-just-got-her-own-barbie-doll-20210615-p5816v.html
BB
No Labor got scared and did not hold to principle.
The Democrats have. They had children dying on their watch.
Angela Merkel did not take Labor’s approach.
The cruel treatment of the Biloela family is the opportunity to wedge the LNP.
Just say you will use Canada’s sponsored refugee policy.
Canada is not being flooded with an out of control flood of refugees.
Use empathy. It works.
Alpha Zero @ #136 Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 – 11:54 am
Zsa Zsa lives…sort of.
Hard to believe some of the proposals coming from the Liberal party room re housing. Rebasing the capital gains tax in line with income tax, applying capital gains to the family home over 2 mill.
Is Bowen conducting mind control experiments in Parliament?
The pies at Harry’s Cafe de Wheels (Woolloomooloo, Newcastle and Ultimo that I know of) are yum.
Bushfire Bill
Self select ? A very large proportion have been “selected” by our government by way of destroying their native lands. Think Vietnamese and Cambodian “boat people” then later all the Afghan and Syrian ‘boat people’ .
As for so many of the concerns about “saving lives” 😆 Most sickening thing I’ve have ever seen was after that boat sank off Christmas Island. The loudest voices wailing “won’t somebody think of the children ? ” and concern for asylum seekers lives were all the arseholes of shoutback radio and the Coalition. Voices who for years previously had been slagging off all those ‘dirty’ , ‘disease carrying’ , ‘terrorists’ .
guytaur @ #135 Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 – 11:53 am
guytaur,
Read what Bushfire Bill said at 10.50am. As I, myself have said, to the absolute deafening concatenation of The Greens’ luvvies on this blog going all the way back to Fran Barlow. Common sense and the facts tell you that The Greens’ fanbois and girls were wrong and I, and Bushfire Bill and anyone who believes in reality, was right. Which also makes Richard Marles’ Tweet correct and the Tweet of Jeremy Poxon:
@JeremyPoxon tweets
Laborists, even your leaders say that your refugee policy is the same as the liberals’. So maybe stop screaming at us for pointing it out
a total wankfest. It’s creating a straw man and putting him on a People Traffickers’ boat and then pointing at it and going, shame on Labor, for realising it.
Cat
Read Rex’s comment.
Read my reply.
Then realise you are proving Poxon right.
Mandatory Detention is the problem. A Labor policy in lock step with the LNP.
Otherwise you would be using the fact no boats have arrived to end mandatory detention.
Granny Annysays:
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 11:37 am
“and as we all know, South Australian beer is made from the sludge at the bottom of the Murray River.”
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How dare you!
Hard to believe some of the proposals coming from the Liberal party room re housing
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They r just brain farts. Some of the wets enjoy smelling their own a little too much.
The Coalition will do nothing to rock their donations. Nothing to annoy their mates.
The Luberals Land Tax policy in SA was a surprisingly adventurous one. And got surprisingly far along the road to being enacted. But it came up against a lot of flack from donors, lobbyists and probably most tellingly powerful peeps in the membership who made it clear they would destroy the party rather than pay more tax.
Cat
Seeing as you are attacking him I will quote him more so people can judge for themselves.
@JeremyPoxon tweets
Seeing, the same “labor are not in power” + “the electorate is too conservative” cop-outs. In politics you’re meant to work to change ppl’s minds. We didn’t give up cause ppl thought unemployed ppl were bludgers. We have far less power than ALP & shifted what the public thinks
Arthur
After a pot of sludge from the bottom of the Murray River, people will dare pretty much anything.
It’s complicated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language_in_Northern_England#Phonological_characteristics
Interesting that Marles himself didn’t offer any of the nuance between ‘policy’ and ‘policy implementation’ that others are now attempting to ascribe to federal labor.
He pretty much came out and plainly said ‘we’re same same on AS policy’, and was perfectly happy to leave it right there.
The truth is, Marles has been at the vanguard of post-Gillard hardline asylum seeker policy. He was the one who pushed for boat turnbacks, which is now official labor policy. Keeping in mind that before that, labor attacked Abbot hard on his turnback policy.
Basically, if it was up to Marles, labor would be in absolute lockstep with the coalition’s hardline and frankly cruel AS policy. So IMO he deliberately sought to convey that sentiment in this morning’s interview. But had the same question been posed to say Kristina Keneally, I have no doubt the answer would have been very different.
The labor party is still hopelessly torn on this issue. And we can see the cognitive dissonance this is creating amongst the rank and file in the comments here. They can’t bring themselves to criticise either the hardline approach of Marles, or the compassionate approach of Keneally. So they end up doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to convince themselves that the two opposing positions are really compatible. They are obviously not, and Bandt and co are right to call out the hypocricy this causes.
guytaur,
You obviously refuse to take into consideration how Coalition scare campaigns work. That’s fine, you and Rex Douglas can propose solutions. You only have to listen to Michael McCormack in parliament this week going all the way back to Chris Bowen’s time as Immigration Minister in order to begin the process of vilifying Labor in the eyes of the electorate to know, viscerally, that there is zero empathy in the wider electorate, so hoping for it is a waste of time. And what is an even greater waste of time is vilifying Labor about it. They aren’t in government and what stands between them and government is a Coalition prepared to do and say whatever it takes to stop them getting there.
I’m simply being realistic, not idealistic.