Sundry recent developments relevant to the next federal election, whenever that may be:
• A report by David Crowe of The Age/Herald relates that a) unidentified Liberals are “saying privately that a poll in the first months of 2022 is most likely”, and that b) the Greens are about to identify nine House of Representatives seats they will be targeting, and believe they would have won the inner Melbourne seat of Macnamara at the last election if the newly published draft boundaries had been in place. The latter propose tidying the electorate’s eastern boundary as a straight line down Williams Road and Hotham Street, which would remove Caulfield and its surrounds and add large parts of Prahran and South Yarra. My own estimates are perhaps a little less favourable for them, indicating a 2.0% boost in the Greens vote to 26.3%, still astern of Labor on 30.7% (down 1.1%) and the Liberals on 36.7% (down 0.6%). Josh Burns comfortably won the seat for Labor in 2019 after the Greens were excluded.
• Marion Scrymgour has been preselected as Labor’s candidate for Lingiari, which covers the Northern Territory outside of Darwin. Scrymgour served in the Northern Territory parliament from 2001 to 2012 and as Deputy Chief Minister from 2007 to 2009, and has more recently been chief executive of the Northern Land Council. The Northern Territory News reports other candidates for preselection included Matthew Bonson, who served in the territory parliament from 2001 to 2008; Jeanie Govan, a town planner; and Rowan Foley, chief executive of the Aboriginal Carbon Foundation.
• The New South Wales Greens have preselected David Shoebridge, who has held a seat in the state upper house since 2010, as lead Senate candidate for the next election. AAP reports Shoebridge won a ballot of 2263 party members ahead of Amanda Cohn, the deputy mayor of Albury, and Rachael Jacobs, a lecturer in creative arts education at Western Sydney University.
• Shortly after reports indicating former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson would seek preselection for the Nationals’ position on the New South Wales Coalition Senate ticket, The Australian reports Fiona Nash is keep to recover the position, which she lost in 2017 after being disqualified on grounds of dual British citizenship under Section 44. Also identified as a potential candidate is former state party director Ross Cadell.
lizzie @ #14 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 8:21 am
Has Dorothea Mackellar – the Coalition’s go-to expert on climate change – been heard from yet?
Theo Andelini @ #44 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 9:20 am
You are completely ignoring the perfectly clear logic I backed my statement up with and creating a fake conclusion from it. Then riffing off that.
For the slow learners and willfully ignorant like you, let me make it plain:
*Greens megaphone the fact they want to hold the BOP.
*The Coalition megaphones the fact The Greens want to hold the BOP with Labor.
*The Coalition scares people in already marginal Labor seats away from voting Labor.
*They vote for the Coalition instead.
*They don’t vote for The Greens. This is because they don’t want a Labor-Greens government, so instead of possibly voting Labor, they definitely vote Liberal/LNP.
*A marginal Labor seat thus falls to the Coalition.
*The Coalition retains all their present seats and probably increase their margins, as happened in Queensland in 2019, for the same reason.
*There are less Labor seats.
*Maybe 1 or 2 more Greens seats as Labor falls behind The Greens then.
*There are more Coalition seats.
There is no BOP with Labor and The Greens because there ends up being more Coalition seats than Labor + Greens
*The Greens are full of shit.
Note well. I am going to refuse to reply to any more of your crap. If you refuse to acknowledge the truth of the matter, then I can’t help you and you don’t want to.
sprocket_ @ #48 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 9:27 am
I thought Scott Morrison said he wouldn’t talk about it because there was no longer a police investigation underway?
And where is this police investigation which is underway?
‘BK says:
Monday, March 22, 2021 at 9:17 am
We seem to be having yet another once in 100 years repeated occurrence event.’
Fixed it for you, BK.
Cat, you do realize you are arguing with a Firefox chimera?
Fulvio Sammut @ #56 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 9:44 am
Yes, I do. One that Mr Bowe doesn’t want to do anything about, even though he says he gets rid of the sock puppets as soon as he sees them.
No, I just wanted to put the case twice. 😀
The Hungry Jack vegan Rebel Burger craps on anything the opposition has.
Case closed.
“I supported the Australian Democrats for a while. They seemed to want to bring balance to the Howard government, whereas the Greens are currently just spoilers, IMV. I’m sure that Bandt is really a sincere, likeable, and generous person, but he comes over as rather vindictive. So sad.”
I used to support Labor. I used to think that they were a party that represented left wing progressives like me. I was horrified to find out that in fact the opposite is true and that Labor often sides with the conservative right, as they did recently to leave people in poverty while giving tax cuts to the rich.
I have also been dismayed by the way in which many supporters of the Labor Party will defend anything their party does, even when what they’re doing is demonstrably wrong and involves supporting terrible Coalition policies (eg. leaving JobSeekers in poverty). Instead of admitting where Labor has it wrong, they instead choose to lash out at the Greens, both politically and personally, and seek to blame the left for Labor’s own terrible decisions to support Coalition policies.
C@t
The incident Scott Ryan won’t answer questions on is the Brittany Higgins allegation. This is absolutely pathetic
Also, Maccas coat their fries in animal fat.. probably the most unhealthy food anyone can eat
Five questions to the federal police:
1. Do they know where the alleged perpetrator is now?
2. Have they interviewed him?
3. Is he still in Australia?
4. If not, who authorised his leaving the country?
5. Are they capable of conducting a simple Google search to locate his family seat in Texas?
Morrison’s concrete wall is set at full stop at Senate Estimates.
sprocket_
I can never understand how so many ministers & others who have to attend Senate Estimates seem to turn up with no preparation.
“*Greens megaphone the fact they want to hold the BOP.”
Yes, holding the balance of power is one of our goals for sure. The Greens’ aren’t responsible for the Coalition’s scare campaigns, nor Labor’s either (such as this one you are running right now). Now Labor is trying to blame poor performances against the Coalition on the Greens. Do you lot ever take responsibility for anything at all? Apparently you aren’t responsible for how you vote in parliament, nor are you responsible when you run terrible campaigns, sit on the fence, and lose to the Libs. More Labor logic! Everything is the Greens’ fault. Everything!
In the various Estimates committees we are seeing a coordinated full defensive manoeuvre.
‘BK says:
Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:00 am
In the various Estimates committees we are seeing a coordinated full defensive manoeuvre.’
Yep. When they should be doing damage control on climate-related droughts, fires and floods, they are instead looking after No 1.
It was good to see the NSW Minister for Disasters showing a remarkably quick initiative in the face of yet another climate-related disaster.
He is kicking a fellow minister in the political goolies.
EVERY.SINGLE.THING.
Greens’ election strategy bets on Australians embracing hung Parliament
Voters will be asked to welcome the prospect of a hung Parliament after the next federal election in a Greens strategy to help Labor form a minority government and demand greater action on climate change and inequality.
Greens leader Adam Bandt will name nine target seats for the party in a bid to gain the balance of power, calculating this is far more likely than an outright Labor victory on polling.
The strategy comes after the Australian Electoral Commission proposed contentious changes last Friday that could see the Labor seat of Macnamara in Melbourne fall more easily to the Greens.
While major parties usually warn voters against minority government, the Greens are seeking to use the prospect to their advantage by telling voters this is the most likely way to remove Scott Morrison as Prime Minister.
“We are committed to turfing out the Liberal government so you will get more bang for your buck if you vote Green,” Mr Bandt told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald.
“The message to Labor voters is that if you want to kick the Liberals out and make the next government go further and faster on climate change, and make billionaires and big corporations pay their fair share, vote Green.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/greens-election-strategy-bets-on-australians-embracing-hung-parliament-20210321-p57clv.html
Yep. What Australia needs is a Green/Labor power-sharing government, as has been the case in the ACT for many years. Labor cannot be trusted alone, they’ll just go off and team up with the Coalition again if the Greens aren’t there to keep them from lurching to the right – someone has to “keep the bastards honest!”
Sure enough, there’s a wave of stench emanating from the NSW Government’s Bushfire Relief Spend. But it is not that someone found a whiteboard crowded with incriminating shonky data all over it.
They did not bother with the whiteboard in the first place. How easy is that? Nothing to shred. Nothing to rub out. Nothing to remember. Just a pork pit.
EVERY.SINGLE.THING.THEY.TOUCH.THEY.CORRUPT.
Theo
The Greens did not ‘stand loyally’ with Gillard’s government. They walked away from their agreement.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-20/gillard-distances-herself-from-greens-after-split/4530216
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/coal-mining-causing-irreversible-damage-to-endangered-swamps/13262840?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=twitter&utm_campaign=abc_news_web
This public accountability farce is being conducted by the Morrison Government on its own behalf as its latest major contribution to the women of Australia.
The burning issue is getting down to Scott Ryan getting legal advice to see whether he can answer the question, ‘Do you speak to yourself about anything at all?’
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/mar/22/senate-estimates-veteran-suicide-royal-commission-morrison-albanese-politics-live
The targets include five seats held by Labor: Griffith in Queensland, Richmond in NSW, Canberra in the ACT and Macnamara and Wills in Victoria.
The others are four held by the Liberals: Brisbane and Ryan in Queensland and Kooyong and Higgins in Victoria.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/greens-election-strategy-bets-on-australians-embracing-hung-parliament-20210321-p57clv.html
..just to dispel the myth that the Greens are only targeting Labor seats. More nonsense Labor Logic! More false Labor scare campaigns.
“The Greens did not ‘stand loyally’ with Gillard’s government. They walked away from their agreement.”
Incorrect. The Greens did stand loyally by as they maintained confidence and supply in the Gillard Gov for the entire term. The article you quoted even makes that very point…
…is unlikely to have any significant impact given Senator Milne’s promise to guarantee confidence in the Government and the passage of budget legislation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-20/gillard-distances-herself-from-greens-after-split/4530216
The Greens made sure the government didn’t fall. Scrapping the agreement at the end of the term was always going to happen, but even after that the Greens still stood by Gillard and then even the second coming of Rudd and gave them both confidence and supply.
I cannot make the arithmetic add up.
Let’s take a look at this statement by Bandt: “The message to Labor voters is that if you want to kick the Liberals out and make the next government go further and faster on climate change, and make billionaires and big corporations pay their fair share, vote Green.”
How does a voter changing their vote from Labor to Green reduce the Liberal (should be Coalition) majority in parliament? They need to target voters that voted for the Coalition surely.
As a swinging voter that has previously voted Green, they have lost me with this strategy. Illogical and counterproductive. We need a better option. Whither the Pirates?
The Morrison LNP plan is in action.
Whether it be question time, Senate estimates, door stops, non-announcement time times or in the streets, all matters relating to government of the Federation of Australian States are to go through the empathy officers within the PM’s office.
All communication with the media is vetted and distributed through friendly mediums.
Australia’s states stood up during Covid, demanding their concerns be included in any Covid policy. Thank goodness for the existence of such strong premiers.
The West Australian election suggests the states may even go further and remind Morrison and Federal Government that if state concerns aren’t foremost, the states will respond.
The polls have certainly shown in WA that the electorate is not prepared to accept the haphazardly constructed Morrison LNP policy with it’s main purpose to cling to government above all else.
Enough women have shown their displeasure with a government that hides and pretends with a complete dearth of empathy for the position of women.
Week after week, a production line of poor policy and scant leadership from the Morrison LNP government is shoved down the collective throats of the electorate.
The electorate or enough of them is calling “bullshit”.
Morrison may not get to another election as leader if the often maligned polls catch the mood of the electorate and mark the Morrison LNP government down for it’s deception, obtuse announcements and unfairness.
The sooner the bully boy Morrison LNP government is dismissed the sooner the nation moves forward.
NSW Residents Facing Fourth Once-In-A-Hundred-Year Event Since Last January
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/03/22/nsw-fourth-once-in-a-one-hundred-year-event-last-january/
Theo Andelini says:
Monday, March 22, 2021 at 9:48 am
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(eg. leaving JobSeekers in poverty)
..
The Greens willing to vote for no increase in job seeker so we can witness another Greens stunt. Walking all over the unemployed for another stunt is just stupid. We have all seen a Green stunt before, it is nothing new.
The Greens really are a sad sad bunch teaming up with the Liberals to destroy Labor. It really is beyond contempt.
Destroy Labor to beat the Liberals, ya right.
Griff @ #76 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 10:24 am
Not wanting to get into the perpertual Labor/Green war, but I think Bandt is making the point to Labor voters that he wants to “make the next government go further and faster on climate change” even if it is a Labor-led government – i.e. that the Greens in government with Labor would force Labor to move further and faster.
Given Federal Labor’s continued dithering on climate change policy, and State Labor’s contradictory policies (e.g. in WA) it’s not a completely unreasonable attitude.
lizzie @ #68 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 10:03 am
Yay! 😀
Theo
Oh so the Greens were always going to rat, so that makes it OK then and otherwise they didn’t do something which wouldn’t have affected anything anyway.
Up until the time the Democrats sold out to Howard with the GST I was prepared to give them some support but the second they got in bed with Rattus I figured they couldn’t be trusted and given they disappeared from the political landscape I figured most people who did support them thought the same way.
I am very suspicious of the Greens. I won’t vote for any party that is “pragmatic” on something like a regressive tax that hits the poor which is why the Democrats evaporated. The second they, or any other balance of power party starts getting pragmatic and forgets the reality of people’s lives and the impact the “Pragmatism” has on them on a daily basis is the second my support evaporates. I’m not from Tasmania but Lamie would never get my vote if I was for that reason. Too many times has she kicked people in the guts in real terms.
zoomster @ #72 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 10:13 am
And they grandstanded and bellyached constantly when they were in it.
Sarah Henderso is going to get jobbed by either Keneally, Carr or Patrick. Take your pick!
Finding out that The Greens’ candidates are getting lessons in politics from the Liberals, and that they willingly agree to do it, repeatedly, just did it for me. They are thus just another slimy political party who are out to destroy Labor and not the Coalition, as a result.
Theo Andelini says:
Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:07 am
Greens’ election strategy bets on Australians embracing hung Parliament
The country is fucked. The strategies of the GINOs will keep the LNP in office for all time.
Player One, you obviously cannot see what I can see, and indeed what David Crowe sees. Maybe we have it wrong, but Bandt had better improve his messaging then, as I am one of the target audience.
While I agree with many of the policies that The Australian Greens have, the current political strategy is reprehensible to me. Sad.
Edit: missing “of” inserted
BK @ #89 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 10:44 am
At least Linda Reynolds was fair and relatively reasonable.
BK
Can’t wait for the bloodletting. Henderson sails far too close to the wind with her snide put downs. Not a nice character at all.
Not a nice character at all.
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So the quintessential Liberal lady MP then.
lizzie @ #95 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 10:46 am
And the Coalition say the ABC is full of lefties?
Exhibit 1 for the No case: Sarah Henderson
I wonder if Labor’s internal polling is telling them they are now in with a chance at the next election, but that the outcome is so close it could be another minority Labor government?
This might explain the recent resurgence in greenhate by the Labor partisans here.
On a lighter note, this is a really cute Australian Unions t-shirt:
Griff @ #76 Monday, March 22nd, 2021 – 10:24 am
Compare what the greens say to what they do –
When the greens had the tories in a corner wanting help to pass bills in the senate – what did they demand to effectively help the environment ?
Answer – Nothing effective.
They didn’t demand a Federal RC on Water in the MD Basin. Nothing to effectively protect the GBR.
Nope they voted with the tories.
The Greens –
– sided with the tories in a deal which saw 100,000 people lose the pension and another 270,000 have their benefits reduced. Both of these measures cut pensions to under the UBI the Black Wiggle wanted.
– they opposed efforts to redraw company tax that is now going unpaid because of the LNP’s loopholes in the dividend imputation system and blocked Labor attempted to expose more of the companies which haven’t been paying any tax.
– expressed no support recently to FWA for increases in the minimum wage – again taking the same position of the tories.
– opposed efforts to close unfair loopholes in the dividend imputation system currently costing taxpayers almost $6 B pa.
– sided with the Coalition on the Malaysia solution.
– voted with the Coalition to defeat the CPRS.
– parked the environmental vote out of harm’s way, the environment would be in far better condition than it is now otherwise if the black wiggle greens weren’t tory light.
The Victorian Greens preferenced the Liberals (who want cattle back on the High Plains) above Country Alliance (who want cattle back on the High Plains) and that isn’t an own goal?
(cattle were removed from the High Plains by the then – State Labor government in 2005.)
The Greens preferenced the Liberal Party in Qld in 1995 over koalas. This led to the ultimate defeat of the Goss Govt after a by-election.
the Greens failed to support a motion to bring on debate in the Senate on their own marriage equality bill.
The Greens’ star candidate in the Sydney seat of Grayndler says he preferred Tony Abbott to Bill Shorten because the conservative prime minister’s rule helped trigger street protests and civil disruption.
Greens were advocating for ZERO ‘backpacker tax’ ..did a dirty backroom deal in the dead of night with their sworn enemy ..and settled for 15% + 30 pieces of silver..