Today is the day of the federal by-election for the Queensland seat of Groom, which you can offer your thoughts on on this post in the apparently unlikely event that you have something specifically to say about it through the course of the day. This site will naturally be all over the count this evening, complete with a live results facility that is fully battle-tested so far as federal elections are concerned.
Other news of note:
• Roy Morgan had a result this week from the federal voting intention series it conducts regularly but publishes erratically. This one credited the Coalition with a slender two-party lead of 50.5-49.5, from primary votes of Coalition 42%, Labor 34%, Greens 12% and One Nation 4%. State breakdowns had the Coalition leading 53.5-46.5 in New South Wales, the reverse in Victoria, the Coalition leading 54.5-45.5 in Queensland, the Coalition leading 51-49 in Western Australia, and Labor leading 52.5-47.5 in South Australia. The poll was conducted online and by telephone over the two previous weekends from a sample of 2824.
• The Financial Review reports on JWS Research polling that shows 20% believe states should close borders to other states that have any active COVID-19 cases, “almost 60%” believe the same should happen if there are 25 active cases, and 75% say the same for 100 active cases. The report further relates that 60% of respondents rated the federal government’s handling of the virus positively, down six points from July, and that 87% of Western Australians, 82% of South Australians and 57% of Victorians (up seven since July) did likewise for their state goverments, with due caution for the small size of the relevant sub-samples. The poll was conducted from a sample of 1035 from last Friday to Sunday.
• John Ferguson of The Australian reports on Victorial Liberal Senate preselection contenders for the next election: Simon Frost, staffer to Josh Frydenberg and the party’s former state director (including at the time of its disastrous 2018 campaign); Roshena Campbell, a Melbourne lawyer; Greg Mirabella, Wangaratta farmer and husband of Sophie Mirabella; and Jess Wilson, policy director at the Business Council of Australia. This is likely to amount to a race for the second position on the ticket, with Sarah Henderson to be promoted to first and Scott Ryan not seeking another term. There is contention in the state branch over president Robert Clark’s reluctance to have preselections determined through party plebiscites, with critics accusing him of using COVID-19 to maintain control by the central administration, as it did before the last election. According to the report, “a statewide ballot would favour Mr Frost, while an administrative committee vote would favour those loyal to Mr Clark’s forces“.
zoomster @ #148 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 3:21 pm
So you admit there is evidence of Labor attacking the Greens? Which was what you claimed there was not?
zoomster @ #149 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 3:23 pm
Oh, FFS Zoomster. You asked for evidence. I gave you some.
Just for once in your life admit you were mistaken.
C@tmomma says Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:09 am
If the Democrats can’t get to 50 Senators it’s not really going to matter what Senator Collins thinks. Mitch McConnell will be the speaker and he won’t allow the legislation to come to the floor. To quote the recent Axefiles podcast, Mitch doesn’t give a shit about anything except power.
Andrew Hickey @andrewmhickey
BREAKING: #DiaperDon joins the tea party……. small desk – small man
In southern Canberra it got to 34deg, now dropping as a thunderstorm gives strong winds and periodical rain. A large branch fell off the big gum tree on the nature strip onto a rose bush but it seems to have survived. Probably time to report the tree to City Services again for examination.
The tree actually provides a lot of material that I use for mulching as it is always dropping small branches.
I find it rather amusing that Labor speakers are being urged not to ‘drone’. Haven’t you listened to any of the Morrison cabinet?
Why does Labor continue to grant the Libs a pair for David Coleman ??
I see I made a big mistake. So a second post.
It should have been Good Afternoon.
Steve.
Yes. Exactly how I see it.
On the trigger issue. Those enemies of Shanks will do the same to him as was done to the gay Labor candidate in the 2019 election. If they get the chance.
“ Pretty sure Labor’s all over it.”
Labor IS all over it. But tumbleweeds from our cyphers in the MSM.
That’s the most annoying bit of your repetitious shit, Mundo. You don’t get that bit.
He doesn’t want to. Never has.
Perhaps the Democrats could let Trump fulfil his dream of staying in the White House by giving him a room like this with little playmates like those shown, a toy phone, a little desk, a little bed and a mini golf course. Oh and keep the door locked with meals passed through a slot.
Citizen
When is he going to grab their pussies?
citizensays: Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 3:42 pm
Perhaps the Democrats could let Trump fulfil his dream of staying in the White House by giving him a room like this with little playmates like those shown, a toy phone, a little desk, a little bed and a mini golf course. Oh and keep the door locked with meals passed through a slot.
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Don is said to like the little desk – cause it makes his hands look bigger
citizen @ #160 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 3:42 pm
We knew he was renovating Mar-a-Lago. I guess we should have guessed he would go for the “White House” look. I would have thought he could afford to go full-scale, but perhaps he thinks this way makes him look taller.
The History Behind the Donald Trump ‘Small Hands’ Insult
Almost 30 years ago Trump was described as a “short-fingered vulgarian.”
— — Marco Rubio told supporters last week that GOP presidential rival Donald Trump is “always calling me ‘little Marco.'”
“He is taller than me, he’s like 6′ 2″, which is why I don’t understand why his hands are the size of someone who is 5’ 2″,” Rubio joked. “Have you seen his hands? And you know what they say about men with small hands — ”
Nearly 30 years ago, Graydon Carter, the editor of Vanity Fair magazine, described Trump in Spy magazine as a “short-fingered vulgarian.”
In an editor’s letter in “Vanity Fair” last November, Carter said that he wrote the Sky magazine comment in 1988 “just to drive him a little bit crazy.”
And according to Carter, it still does.
“Like so many bullies, Trump has skin of gossamer,” Carter wrote in November.
“To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump. There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers,” Carter wrote. “I almost feel sorry for the poor fellow because, to me, the fingers still look abnormally stubby.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/history-donald-trump-small-hands-insult/story?id=37395515
Those images of Trump sat at the little desk. The memes will just write themselves…
Why did Trump do that to himself?
Why sit instead of having a lecturn-podium?
C@tmomma @ #159 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 3:41 pm
Labor needs to recruit some decent communicators and stop sending out the boring mushrooms that don’t attract eyes or clicks and act as repellents.
Andrew_Earlwood @ #166 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 3:57 pm
Maybe he isn’t allowed to use them anymore now that Biden has been Ascertained? Just a thought.
C@tmomma @ #168 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 3:58 pm
He is President until Jan 20, midday, and until then can do anything a president is allowed to do, which, in his case, includes many things that no other president has had the indecency to do.
Utter madness!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-moves-to-strip-job-protections-from-white-house-budget-analysts-as-he-races-to-transform-civil-service/2020/11/27/d04f6eba-2e69-11eb-96c2-aac3f162215d_story.html
Greens never stoppped attackeding Labor from day one by their demands they only care about 1 thing.
Yabba @ #170 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:02 pm
Okay, so Option B is considered. Does he do these things in an attempt to game the media, social and MSM?
Zerlo @ #171 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:08 pm
Correct. The environment.
Andrew_Earlwoods
Perhaps the desk has some great historical significance, where Washington signed ‘X’ or Abe Lincoln signed ‘Y’
Rex Douglas says:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:10 pm
Which is a short lived, because Greens abandoned Labor.
So same same Lib-Greens.
Federal authorities arrested a former U.S. Army service member and Army National Guardsman in New Jersey on Wednesday on charges of supporting a foreign terrorist organization, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
U.S. Attorney Dean Sovolos described Bell as a danger to the community and a flight risk during her first federal court appearance Wednesday.
He said when the FBI arrested her, they found 136 operable handguns and rifles, as well as 15 canisters of ammunition and a short-range rocket launcher inside her two-bedroom home.
Bell’s attorney, Rahul Sharma, said many of the firearms recovered were antiques she received from her deceased husband, who worked at an armory.
Zerlo @ #175 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:14 pm
Labor sided with fossil fuels.
So same same Lib-Lab.
You know it’s true.
Rex Douglas says:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:10 pm
Zerlo @ #171 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:08 pm
Greens never stoppped attackeding Labor from day one by their demands they only care about 1 thing.
Correct. The environment.
If only.
The Greens have put a lot of effort into destroying the ACF because they actually support political parties that actually have credible environmental policies.
https://www.acf.org.au/response_to_labor_energy_policy
Rex Douglas says:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:20 pm
It’s wrong, because Greens abandoned labor, they abandoned Environment and any chance of actually doing something.
frednk @ #178 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:20 pm
Fake newz.
P1
Increasing means just that – that there is more attention from Labor to the Greens.
You provided the example of one MP, who has made a couple of attacks on the Greens over a month ago.
One MP attacking the Greens – even if he was doing it day in, day out, which he clearly isn’t – is not proof of your assertion.
It’s OK, I know you can’t prove anything, it’s just part of your Fitzgibbon association.
Zerlo @ #179 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:22 pm
I know you don’t mean that.
Anyone know whether the cases today in South Australia were people already in isolation?
Being a party of potential government means you have to be able to do more than recite meaningless cliches and unachievable or dubiouusly desirable objectives.
Voters tend to say they believe that Climate Change action is important to them. However, there is no evidence that the proposed solutions propagated day after day here on PB by the usual fuckwits is actually what voters are interested in supporting.
It’s a bit like that movie “Miss Congeality” where the Sandra Bullock character had to say she was in favour of “World Peace” because it was a basic demand of the audience and the promoters.
Election after election where the LNP have been elected despite having no CC policies tellls you that CC support by voters is a mile wide, but an inch deep.
Labor’s just decided to go where the votes are and that isn’t in prescriptive policies about CC.
Rex Douglas says:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:23 pm
…
Fake newz.
Oh; and as well as support Labor policy the ACF actually has some successes, which is more than the Greens can claim. Another reason why the Greens want to destroy them.
https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Inside_the_Greening.html?id=vbYsAAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y
The Greens are a blight on Australian politics and have setback environmental politics by decades.
“Correct. The environment.”
voting down a CPRS would not support this.
zoomster @ #181 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:24 pm
You asked for evidence, because you said you had been offered none. None at all. “Crickets”, you said.
So I gave you one example. A fairly relevant one, I thought. If you wanted more, all you needed to do was ask for it, or else find it yourself.
It’s easy enough to do, FFS …
letmegooglethat.com/?q=Labor+attacks+%22Greens%22
But instead of admitting you may have been mistaken, you took your usual route of pretending you had somehow won the point and (like so many others here) then resorting to smear and insult to try and terminate the discussion before you were called out on it.
It seems to be a common tactic for the Labor partisans here on PB.
Cud Chewersays: Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:26 pm
Anyone know whether the cases today in South Australia were people already in isolation?
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South Australia records two new coronavirus cases linked to Parafield cluster
Key points:
Two new cases of COVID-19 have been identified and linked to SA’s Parafield cluster
The two people are contacts of previous cases
There are now 33 cases linked to the cluster
MORE : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-28/two-new-coronavirus-cases-in-south-australia/12931288
Rex Douglas says:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:25 pm
Truth hurts Rexy.
When you side with the evils that be.
And they are Evil – Liberals.
Player One says:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 1:08 pm
One for the Gibbons….
As you elaborate in your post, the seaborne coal trade is mobilised by demand from abroad. It is not a supply-instigated trade. You have nailed this in your post. Good on you. The penny seems to have dropped.
Notwithstanding that, you say that “we” continue to make financial commitments to coal. This is a deceptive generalisation. In the main, financing for coal is being withdrawn. “We” do not invest in coal. A few lost commercial souls might be, but in general the industry is being orphaned, step by step.
The disingenuous rationalisations of Labor partisans here sure can be comical
Top vid result for Labor MP + Greens
Oh shock, Labor MP Terri Butler running all the idiotic talking points the Labor partisans run daily here on ‘teh Greens’, to Kenny on Sky and repeated widely via the Tele and other Murdoch organs at the time
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6176149598001
The Greens are ‘bad for jobs and the environment’: Labor MP
29/07/2020|8min
Labor environment spokesperson Terri Butler told Sky News the Greens are both “bad for jobs and bad for the environment” as internal division within the ALP over climate change heats up.
Labor frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon has been criticised by his leader Anthony Albanese after the shadow resources minister described the Labor Environment Action Network as a “fundamentalist” group.
It comes as Mr Fitzgibbon had told Sky News Political Editor Andrew Clennell on Tuesday, he rejected an invitation to speak at a Labor Environment Action Network (LEAN) event because he believes people with “Green T-shirts” are attempting to infiltrate the party.
thanks phoenix
Labor generally ignore the Greens. This is the correct strategy. A few bludgers, such as this one, feel obliged to answer the disgraceful sanctimony and sneering of Labor-phobic wannabes who masquerade here as lefties and goodies, in their two shoes and fairy wings, several imaginary flights above the rest of us.
One consequence of the SA covid outbreak is that Brett Sutton has lost the title of “most attractive Chief Health Officer”.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1332560973933277184
This was posted a couple of minutes ago.
She knows how to engage the youth vote.
Non @ #190 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:40 pm
Clearly, not for you. Did you miss the bit where it says demand is going to increase? Which directly contradicts most of your posts on the issue 🙁
Of course we do. We subsidize coal directly to the tune of billions of dollars, and indirectly by very much more. I could list the individual subsidies for you, but I am betting that you know them all a whole lot better than I do. From the inside out, possibly.
But the fact that we burn coal but do not impose a cost for doing so is possibly the biggest subsidy of all.
How Gibbon-like of you to conveniently forget all this 🙁
Mitch McConnell will be the speaker
He would be the Majority Leader. The presiding officer in the Senate is the Vice President. The Speaker presides in the House.
Player One says:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:49 pm
Non @ #190 Saturday, November 28th, 2020 – 4:40 pm
Player One says:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 1:08 pm
One for the Gibbons….
As you elaborate in your post, the seaborne coal trade is mobilised by demand from abroad. It is not a supply-instigated trade. You have nailed this in your post. Good on you. The penny seems to have dropped.
Clearly, not for you. Did you miss the bit where it says demand is going to increase? Which directly contradicts most of your posts on the issue
You are making a demand-side argument. Correct insofar as that goes. Where will demand head? Downwards….no question whatsoever. At last you’ve stopped construing this as a supply-side issue, which it most clearly isn’t.
Fitzgibbon might be a personal friend of Albanese but he’s being deliberately destructive.
If Joe Biden can come to grips with embracing the environment and reaching out to the youth vote, why can’t old Labor partisans and Albo do it as well …?