Queensland’s Liberal National Party will take a break from electioneering tomorrow to determine its candidate for Groom,who is all but assured of a quick passage to parliament after the by-election on November 24. This contest has been enlivened by reports that David van Gend, an unsuccessful past nominee with unorthodox views on social issues, has emerged as the front-runner. Van Gend reportedly enjoys well-organised backing from religious conservatives, and Crikey reports he bears endorsement Eric Abetz, Matt Canavan, Miranda Devine and Howard-era Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson. As The Guardian notes, this comes at a time when conservative state MPs are making life difficult for their leadership by conjuring controversies around abortion at the sharp end of an election campaign. The LNP’s deep state would evidently prefer it if locals favoured Toowoomba councillor Rebecca Vonhoff or Australian Lot Feeders president Bryce Camm.
Other preselection news:
• In other Queensland federal preselection news, a gossip column in the Cairns Post reports Cairns regional councillor Brett Olds will seek preselection to succeed Warren Entsch in the far north Queensland seat of Leichhardt, and suggests Olds has the support of Entsch. The 70-year-old Entsch said before the last election that this term would be his last.
• The Western Australian Greens have preselected Dorinda Cox, an anti-domestic violence campaigner and former police office of Yamatji Noongar background, to lead the party’s Senate ticket at the next election, in place of the retiring Rachel Siewert. It is often the practice in the Greens for outgoing Senators to retire before the election and allow their preselected successor to fill their vacancy, but it is unclear if this is the idea on this occasion.
• The Australian Capital Territory election would seem to have been decided with a result of Labor 10 (down two), Liberal nine (down two) and Greens six (up four), which you can read all about here.
Wayne has popped up in the Queensland election thread with a series of wayne-like predictions e.g.
The ACT Liberals will be most upset to hear that Wayne did not intervene in the ACT election to prevent them losing badly.
C@t,
The ALP need to show grit, they need to force a vote on everything and use every prodecdural trick in the book to grind things to a crawl. Coalition MP’s like going to dinner. If Labor MP’s can do dinner in 15 mins every night they can keep the pressure up. Forcing votes, having numbers in the chamber. They can make it ‘unfun’ to have parliament.
Then they can announce their plans then take flak from the Murdoch press, and just do it anyway.
If they keep it up, the Morrison agenda stalls. But better, the journalists get to talk about that stalled agenda. Albo and his team then need to be super present on social media.
There should be more yelling, An that yelling should also happen towards the speaker. The speaker sits over a house that doesn’t debate. The speaker is confusing order in the house and democracy.
Labor has embarrassed this government by winning votes in the reps before. So lets see them keep up the pressure. With no other business in canberra the opposition should just cause trouble.
C@t.
Yes, Abbot and others have a hand from Murdoch, But it’d be news if the leader of the opposition signed Rudds petition. And then started asking journalists at his pressers if they have?
Anyway, we’ve been let down by the boomer remove (covid). I was hoping for a large scale generational refresh. Next pandemic maybe.
The Shovel…………
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/10/26/morrison-praises-efforts-of-victorians-saying-they-couldnt-have-done-it-without-him/
Andrew_Earlwood @ #798 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 8:48 pm
Guy was born in Greensborough and afaik is not private school educated.
Windhover says Monday, October 26, 2020 at 8:38 pm
When Morrison is holding the hose you know it will be pumping kerosene.
ajm:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 8:49 pm
[‘I can see you’re in the “bad faith” category, as I’ve always suspected.’]
Really, pal, get an effing grip. Have you heard of Question Time? Actually, I suspect you’re a fifth-columnist.
Mavis says:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 7:51 pm
There is plenty to throw at the Morrison Government, not the least of which is its corruption, its shady deals. Now that the C.19 crisis appears to be over(?), I’d like to see Labor prosecute its case via MPIs, just like Abbott did so successfully. To said end, mundo’s right.
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You do know what Labor and Albo did in question time today?
You do know that every question asked related to one instance or another of corruption?
You do know that just before the end of a time Albo moved to suspend standing orders to move a motion condemning the Fed government for its record on corruption?
No? You didn’t see it lead all the msm news broadcasts leading up to a crescendo building to ABC tv news at 7.00 followed by a special 7.30 report featuring Mark Dreyfus drawing the threads of corruption together and demanding a federal ICAC?
Gosh, you missed all that and yet feel competent to comment.
Funnily enough, so did I. Fortunately my local abc news still had time for its near daily comedy sketch featuring transparent mick o brien.
Will Trump be Trickle-Treating this Saturday?
My major criticism of the Victorian government (and the NSW government) is that they didn’t close their bordersas all the other states did.
Apart from the direct positive effect of limiting movement, this acted as a strong social signal of how serious the situation was. Queensland actually proclaimed a health emergency in JANUARY
citizen says:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 8:52 pm
Wayne has popped up in the Queensland election thread with a series of wayne-like predictions e.g.
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To be fair to Wayne, he was the ONLY pollbludger to get the result right in the 2019 election. Even the Mighty Mondo thought that his scrooter was cactus I tells ya (which perhaps explains his resultant continuing imbalance).
Windhover says Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:03 pm
A stopped clock and all that….
south @ #802 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 7:52 pm
The only thing the ordinary voter will notice is the increase in yelling which will confirm the cynical view that “they’re each as bad as the other”1
Windhover:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 8:56 pm
Yes, I did, dear. I also watched Drefuss detailing how many ex-Tory parliamentarians have been appointed to the AAT until the time for asking the question expired. Labor needs more smarts, starting with more forensic questioning going to the corruption of the Morrison Government.
Mavis @ #806 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 7:56 pm
Refer Windhover’s review of question time today.
Windover,
Lookup Tony Burkes speach aroun ~6:40pm ish this evening. Albo and team need to only ask these questions. Corruption is it. They are corrupt. the ALP are less corrupt. You’ll see it on the news when the ALP start making it hard for the deputy speakers in the reps in the evenings calling SSO’s and derailing government business.
I bet, labor will change tack tomorrow. I bet it. I hope I’m wrong, but I’ve seen a pattern over time where the nature of the questions in QT is very much, “everyone in the ALP caucus has their little pet question they want to ask”. So you get one day of concerted message and then it’s a mess.
Albo and team need to put the foot down and just have one topic for a whole week. No other questions.
Not one that doesn’t make the government answer about it’s corruption.
NSW closed their border to Victoria.
zoomster @ #816 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 8:12 pm
Eventually
The problem isn’t that this is wrong. Australia has done well.* The problem is that Morrison is the guy saying it. Morrison just wants the reflected credit. It’s all he’s got. He chases it. He always has. He always will.
The US has it’s “crazy uncle”. What’s Aussie for the guy who turns up after the clubhouse is built and enjoys a cold one? (And brags how much he helped even though he said all along it was a waste of time.)
* Victoria did it toughest. I don’t want to take away from your heroism. Your sacrifice allows me to feel safe today.
This guy pushing for the longest personal leave on record..
https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6980976/david-coleman-mp-may-lose-ministerial-role-in-cabinet-reshuffle/
south,
No one knows the Procedural Rules of federal parliament better than Tony Bourke and Anthony Albanese. Guess what? “I move that the Member no longer be heard” trumps them all. In case you hadn’t noticed, it has been happening very frequently lately, mainly because Labor HAVE been trying every which way but loose to put the wind up Morrison and Co. However, as was commented earlier, unlike Gillard, who needed support from the Cross Bench for MPI and SSOs, and rarely got it, Morrison has the numbers to stomp on the attempts by Labor to do these things. That is what the Coalition are ruthlessly doing.
Then they can announce their plans then take flak from the Murdoch press, and just do it anyway.
You make this sound like a mere bagatelle. Murdoch plays hardball against Labor, especially when Labor tries to play hardball against Murdoch and his minions in the media. I’d like to see you prevail over their wall of sound and fury, signifying nothing, but boy it works a treat with the punters.
If they keep it up, the Morrison agenda stalls.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that you said this. Probably both.
Apparently you haven’t realised that Morrison’s agenda is the same agenda as the media owners’ agenda and, being so, they will never let it stall.
But better, the journalists get to talk about that stalled agenda.
Um, no, the journalists talk about whatever the PMO wants them to talk about. They have very little agency these days if they want to keep their jobs.
Albo and his team then need to be super present on social media.
They are. Apparently you have failed to notice. Must be the fb pages you go to or the Twitterati you follow. You can’t see what you aren’t fed by the algorithms, which are determined by your viewing habits on social media.
There should be more yelling, An that yelling should also happen towards the speaker. The speaker sits over a house that doesn’t debate. The speaker is confusing order in the house and democracy.
The Speaker has the power of the Sin Bin and Liberal Speakers always use it ruthlessly. I thought you knew that?
Yes, Abbott and others have a hand from Murdoch, But it’d be news if the leader of the opposition signed Rudds petition. And then started asking journalists at his pressers if they have?
Lol. Murdoch gives the Liberals ‘a hand’. Try, an iron fist in a velvet glove that gives Labor an uppercut on a regular basis, in contrast to a feather bed for the Coalition.
Oh, and journalists would rather not say they have signed a petition against the boss. I thought you could have figured that out as well. Apparently not.
ajm:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:11 pm
[‘Refer Windhover’s review of question time today.’]
I have but I remain unconvinced. Incidentally, and to set the record straight, I’ve voted Labor since the ’66 federal election. Thus please don’t question my bona fides!
south @ #815 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 8:12 pm
The only really effective question in question time is one where:
1 You already know the answer
2 It’s highly embarrassing to the government.
3 The minister isn’t expecting it and doesn’t know the answer.
Back in the day (ie about 50 years ago ago when I first listened to parliament) there used to be lots of these. They forced errors from the government.
Now question time is no more than a predictable slugfest.
south:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:12 pm
[‘Albo and team need to put the foot down and just have one topic for a whole week. No other questions. Not one that doesn’t make the government answer about it’s corruption.’]
I’m on all four with you, corruption is Morrison’s Achilles’ heel. Moreso, in the absence of the corruption commission without teeth.
sprocket_ says:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:15 pm
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Your a ghoul sprockets, presumably Labor granted him a 12 month pair because of a serious illness.
I missed this cracker of a question from NSW Labor Oppposition Leader, Jodi McKay, to #GuiltyGladys:
“Daryl Maguire complained to you about the Greater Sydney Commission and you took it over; he complained about Rob Stokes and you stripped him of the planning portfolio; he complained about your department head and you sacked him. Why was Daryl Maguire running your government?” – Opposition Leader Jodi McKay, to the Premier, in Parliament.
ajm:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:22 pm
Gawd, mate, what a waste of space you’d be on a tactics committee.
Mavis says:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:18 pm
ajm:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:11 pm
[‘Refer Windhover’s review of question time today.’]
I have but I remain unconvinced. Incidentally, and to set the record straight, I’ve voted Labor since the ’66 federal election. Thus please don’t question my bona fides!
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My great-aunt , Eunice is 112 and has voted Labor in every election since Scullin – and yet there is still criticism of her on here.
Lib von Tryer appears to have a Pollyanna view on Liberal Party entitlement – members who can’t undertake their duties retire all the time, two recent examples being John McVeigh in Groom and Mike Kelly in Eden Monaro.
Why should Morrison’s mate David Coleman spend 12 months on the full pay not attending Parliament? Nobody else gets such an indulgence.
Mavis @ #823 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 8:30 pm
A bit of a sex scandal in high places would help. I’ve always suspected Shortens marital history and the stories about him as a young man were a definitive negative at the margins.
I reckon we all think we’re super tolerant (and many of us have a “complex” history in this respect ourselves) but I think there is still a bit of a cultural norm which benefits those with a straightforward background in their love life.
I don’t think this is actually a good thing but I think it exists and cuts in for some people when it comes to applying the pencil to the ballot paper.
Sprockets, why did Labor agree to a 12 month pair arrangement if it is unjustified?
Another thing Labor should do is to drop the preamble to a question, thereby giving it the opportunity to mount an argument of relevance. Too often, there’s too much verbiage going on, ostensibly to make the questioner sound more compelling, Speaker Smith today, as he often does, pointing that out, allowing, I think, Burke’s point of order.
C@tmomma says:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:33 pm
I missed this cracker of a question from NSW Labor Oppposition Leader, Jodi McKay, to #GuiltyGladys:
“Daryl Maguire complained to you about the Greater Sydney Commission and you took it over; he complained about Rob Stokes and you stripped him of the planning portfolio; he complained about your department head and you sacked him. Why was Daryl Maguire running your government?” – Opposition Leader Jodi McKay, to the Premier, in Parliament.
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Because c@t – women are always dominated and controlled by men ?
@cat
Right now I feel how fortunate that NSW Labor have Jodie McKay as leader.
She is untainted by Obeid et al and can as ask those utterly devastating questions to Gladys.
Lars Von Trier:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9pm
[‘My great-aunt , Eunice is 112 and has voted Labor in every election since Scullin – and yet there is still criticism of her on here.’]
As your great-aunt Eunice has voted Labor since 1929, she deserves a gong.
Lars Von Trier @ #830 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 8:43 pm
I can actually think of some circumstances which might have caused Labor to agree to it, especially reasons pertaining to Mr Coleman’s health in the broadest sense, so I’m hesitant to criticise and it probably isn’t helpful to canvass the matter any further than that.
I think that if it was only driven by a cynical attempt by Morrison to preserve his majority Labor probably would have called time by now.
C@t,
I guess your approach is to just what, wait them out. Eventually they’ll get tired of being in government and give Labor a go?
Mavis says:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:53 pm
Lars Von Trier:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9pm
[‘My great-aunt , Eunice is 112 and has voted Labor in every election since Scullin – and yet there is still criticism of her on here.’]
As your great-aunt Eunice has voted Labor since 1929, she deserves a gong.
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She is very proud that she never ratted ! Although she does admit she was tempted on a few occasions!
CNN has posted a story tonight on Covid-19 in Victoria, with the sort of even-handed treatment that is mostly lacking in the Australian media.
south @ #802 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 8:52 pm
Dickhead.
The way Q&A is going I reckon Dave Sharma is wondering why he got the gig tonight.
If South got his way PB membership would be decimated.
davidwh
More like ‘dimidiamated’
To be fair, that criticism only comes from Briefly who suspects Eunice to be an anti-Labor sleeper agent.
WCH has literally been on the front page of the Tiser six days in a row. Even the Crows have never managed that. Years of incompetence and lack of leadership blowing up in the governments face.
south @ #836 Monday, October 26th, 2020 – 9:56 pm
Don’t put words in my mouth. And you should at least have the intestinal fortitude to, when you come to a board like this, acknowledge that some of the things put to you are factual, instead of just replying with some more gimcrack. It may also help if you agree that, given the circumstances of the first global pandemic in a 100 years, which Morrison has taken full advantage of, that Labor aren’t doing as badly as what you would like to make out? These are not normal political times, yet you are prescribing routine political tactics in order to seemingly advance Labor’s cause at this extraordinary time.
Could I finally add, before I retire for the night, that I would fully expect some US operatives to make the journey down under if Joe Biden’s campaign is successful, in order to help out their political brethren.
As a prelude to that, maybe you should check out some of the Biden Campaign’s election ads. They have been said by political observers to be quite brilliant and are being very successful for him. He seems to me to be using a similar template to outline a leader for our times to the one Albanese is advancing. Maybe you should get with the program? It has changed from that which you seem to think is necessary to win.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/non-voters-poll-2020-election/
On non voting in the US.
Cat,
Right back at cha.
Where was Albo and labor during the fires? Albo’s and Labor have been leaving the easy shots on the deck with the LNP. The government shouldn’t be to cocky. But they are.
Let’s hear you acknowledge that.
Scott isn’t trump. He’s smarter and more cunning. Don’t get fooled into thinking progress in the USA means progress here.
Ken Henry spinning madly when asked about his OWN ethics.
south says:
Monday, October 26, 2020 at 10:38 pm
Where was Albo and labor during the fires?
Labor’s responses during the fires were exactly right.
There are many, many reasons Trump needs to go. This is another and it’s consequences are devastating now, let alone if he gets another 4 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2020/oct/26/revealed-trump-public-lands-oil-drilling?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other