After blowing out to 53-47 in favour of the Coalition two Newspolls ago, the latest result, courtesy of The Australian, has two-party preferred back at 50-50. The Coalition is down two on the primary vote to 41% and Labor is up three to 36%, with the Greens steady on 11% and One Nation down one to 3%. Similarly, Scott Morrison’s still-healthy personal ratings are down on the last three weeks ago, with approval at 64% (down four) and disapproval on 32% (up three). Anthony Albanese is up on both approval, by two points to 43%, and disapproval, by three points to 41%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is now 58-29, in from 60-25. The poll also includes a finding that “80 per cent of Australians support border closures if the health situation demands it”, which I’ll go into in greater detail when I see the full results.
UPDATE: The wording to the latter question was, “do you think premiers should have the authority to close their borders or restrict entry of Australians who live in other states”, which drew responses of 80% yes and 18% no. State breakdowns: 76-22 in New South Wales, 74-23 in Victoria, 84-15 in Queensland, 92-5 in South Australia and 91-7 in Western Australia, from respective samples of 475, 371, 311, 119 and 146. The overall sample of the poll was 1507, and it was conducted from Wednesday to Saturday.
UPDATE 2 (Tuesday): Today The Australian brings further findings on attitudes to the leaders, specifically that Scott Morrison is rated as experienced by 79% and Anthony Albanese by 63%; Morrison is reckoned to have a vision for Australia by 72% compared with 52% for Albanese; and that Morrison is rated arrogant by 46% and Albanese by 37%. In all three cases, Morrison’s ratings have improved by either 11% or 12% since the questions were last posed in December, which is fairly typical of such polling in closely tracking the leader’s overall approval rating.
lizzie @ #947 Tuesday, September 1st, 2020 – 1:38 pm
Herd Immunity, natch. 🙄
Love this from Amy
Was the Powerhouse backflip a pseudo-somersault?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/was-the-powerhouse-backflip-a-pseudo-somersault-20200827-p55q0w.html
Socrates @ #909 Tuesday, September 1st, 2020 – 12:52 pm
Socrates,
No, I don’t think you are reading it correctly. The article says that all five deaths in Victoria were related to Aged Care, not that all new cases were (it’s poorly worded at that point).
And also the locally acquired cases today in NSW numbered 11, not 13. And none of them are classified as “community transmission” because they were all linked to known clusters.
Which is not to deny your fundamental point that NSW cases may overtake Vic cases at some point in the near future. You’d expect no less given the current strict measures in Victoria, but it hasn’t happened yet. When it does, it won’t go unnoticed on PB!
Bucephalus
If only Peter border joke Dutton had shut the borders and imposed quarantine because he had those powers but nah it is so much easier to do nothing then bitch and moan about what others are doing cleaning up the mess.
AFAIK The alternative to lockdown is immunisation. Do the doctors want us to wait for that?
From the doctors’ letter. Apart from the virus being of “limited virulence” it’s apparently just loneliness and starvation making it look so bad in the homes.
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Thanks poroti.
So if only those private owners took better care of their residents, there would be no need for other actions.
But they didn’t and there was.
lizzie says:
Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 1:38 pm
“What is their alternative medical treatment for Covid-19?”
Targeted-risk-based protection of the highly vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life.
Bucephalus
The problem with that is we don’t know the full extent of at risk groups so the best strategy is to stop it at the border but Peter border joke Dutton was bludging on the job.
C@tmomma
I have collected China all my life and still have boxes and boxes, actually a storage shed of boxes of the stuff.
My collecting went in waves, I’d see something and go through 12 months of acquiring that type of item and then change tack when something else took my fancy.
Given I don’t like crowded benches I’d routinely swap displays to showcase different items. When we moved last I carefully stored and labelled it all. My kids hope that at some point in the future I will start selling it so they don’t have to. The family acquired China is being fought over by my daughter and daughter in law and I’m not dead yet. The oldest son has already taken possession of the Morano glass items as they suited his style of decoration.
Most treasured is my watch collection, most Art Deco style, all work but I can no longer read the dials, but they look stunning.
poroti @ #956 Tuesday, September 1st, 2020 – 1:52 pm
Yeah, due to the chronic understaffing and lack of a Morrison government plan, when care workers contracted COVID-19 there were no longer enough staff members to feed and bathe them and keep them company!
Biden:
“Covid has taken this year, just since the outbreak, has taken more than 100 year, look, here’s, the lives, it’s just, when you think about it.”
I just want to know if the Signer interpretation was word for word.
Assantdj,
I still have a complete dinner set of Royal Albert Country Roses which my parents bought for my 21st birthday. Which I have never opened and is now stored at my parent’s house. 😆
Bucephalus @ #962 Tuesday, September 1st, 2020 – 2:01 pm
I think the answer is covfefe, Buce. 😐
Ahhh Kuruvilla George – I remember that name! http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/antigay-marriage-professor-quits-equal-opportunity-board-20120515-1yo4i.html
Dr Eamonn Mathieson, president, Catholic Doctors Association of Victoria – noted anti-abortionist…
It I’ll be interesting to see if the sudden influx of acute care nurse into the aged care environment helps them get a better understanding of the inherent challenges in aged care.
Wandering patients can’t be sedated or tied down, will be interesting to see their suggestions for managing these people
Nutritious food is required but it has to be of a texture they can eat and feeding some residents a sufficient quantity can take up to an hour. Tube feeding is a great initiative but needs to be instigated at the start of their disease not 18 months later when they come into care.
No amount of pressure relief and turning will stop pressure sores developing in an elderly person who is actively dying over a period of months not days.
As I,said, will be interesting to see how they manage these issues.
Morrison still wants the borders open up, not for the health and safety of citizens,but for the liberal/national party donors and big businesses to get richer, and Australians to be poorer.
Pressure must be on newsltd/Morrsion and cronies to be held accountable , for the infections and death cause by the corona virus which spreads across Australia
As always, Tony Smith becomes hard of hearing when Morrison says Albo is “lying”.
This might be of interest, from the facebook page of Andy Meddick, Animal Justice Party MLC for Western Victoria:
I may be reading too much into the debate, but it does feel like Andrews was wedging the Coalition with the State of Emergency powers knowing that they would engage in overreach. We now have the the Coalition hyperventilating over laws that still give them less power in a State of Emergency situation than other (Liberal Governed) states, Andrews can be seen to have “compromised” in negociation with crossbenchers, and the Coalition voting against a vital extension of emergency powers.
Bugler
The level of misinformation that guides our politics is a real problem and the media are as much to blame as anyone.
Bucephalus @ #958 Tuesday, September 1st, 2020 – 1:55 pm
In other words, let the highly vulnerable get sick and die? Because that’s what happens as soon as their care workers (who will, mostly, be in the “everyone else” group) become infected. C19 has convincingly demonstrated it’s infectious enough that there’s no realistic prospect of containing it unless everyone participates.
Not sure how well Roy Morgan rates for NZ polling versus other NZ poll companies, but here it is anyway.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8509-nz-national-voting-intention-august-2020-202008310343
Labour support drops in August but still maintains huge lead of 19.5% over National
September 01 2020 Finding No. 8509 Topic: Public Opinion Federal Poll Press Release Country: New Zealand
In August support for Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s Labour Party was at 48%, down 5.5% since July, but well ahead of National on 28.5% (up 2%), with just over a month to go before the rescheduled election in mid-October.
If an election were held today Labour could govern with the support of current partners the Greens.
Interviewing for this survey in August encompassed the period including the enforcement of Stage 3 restrictions across Auckland following the renewed outbreak of COVID-19 in the city and the decision to postpone the election by four weeks.
The renewed outbreak of COVID-19 and the re-imposition of restrictions in Auckland and around the country has clearly proved frustrating to many and the subsequent drop in support for Labour in August has narrowed the lead to 19.5% points between the two major parties.
Although this is the smallest lead for Labour since March it still represents a huge advantage to Ardern’s Government as it seeks re-election in mid-October.
This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile – with a NZ-wide cross-section of 897 electors during August. Of all electors surveyed 5.5% (up 1.5%) didn’t name a party. Electors were asked: “If a New Zealand Election were held today which party would receive your party vote?”
Support for the Labour/NZ First/Greens coalition remains strong at 62% in August
Bugler
Thanks. You’ve linked a fullsome answer to the question that both Buce and Taylormade have been asked from me to answer but have failed to do so.
This is in response to their ongoing commentary about it as far as Victoria is concerned.
Just a reminder that they are hypocritical partisan rejects
zoomster : did you read the article? it really is worth reading from beginning to end. yes they used the same methodology, and over many years, on different cohorts. like “stars & stripes”/smithsonian do with their surveys.
there are of course a number of breakdowns, including age, rank, sex/gender, race, length of service. these are of interest & relevant in themselves and worth considering if you’re going to factor this survey into the picture you’re building for yourself from all the surveys you credit.
something coming through both the “military times” & the “stars & stripes”/smithsonian surveys is that lower ranks still like trump a lot more than higher ranks (though less in this survey than in the last) & that personnel serving long term (forging a career for themselves in the military) hate him a lot more than short term recruits do. there is a lot more interesting material in that report on the survey than just the distilled/weighted result shown on the graph.
i’m not critical of the survey. just saying there is much additional interesting & relevant stuff there than is captured in that one graph. -a.v.
Leroy
Thanks for that update. 🙂
Bugler
Andrews is a wily operator.
As I mentioned above, both Buce and taylormade have been commenting about it, totally ignoring that all the other states actually have more power than Victoria has ever had in this space.
But they will continue to make total fools of themselves.
See the subdued mood on this blog.
that’s labor not cutting through. The PM actually doesn’t care about old dead people. And labor can’t get him to get angry about it because he just doesn’t give a crap.
They need him to get yelly.
Victoria
VicLib pollies seem to have the same wrong information. Their screams of ‘dictatorship’ are just toddlers crying in the cot.
Hmmm
Nick McKenzie
@Ageinvestigates
Extraordinary fed court hearing about Ben Roberts-Smith. Court hears AFP wrote to VC recipient to tell him it had evidence from “eyewitnesses” who alleged he was involved in war crime in kicking an Afghan prisoner Ali Jan off cliff. First time AFP has disclosed such details.
11:57 AM · Sep 1, 2020·Twitter Web App
lizzie says:
Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 2:15 pm
“The level of misinformation that guides our politics is a real problem and the media are as much to blame as anyone.”
You mean like the fact that people in the UK think that 6% of the population has died from the virus and in Scotland they believe 10% of the population has died?
This is data from the KEKST Corona Virus tracker survey.
south
He’s also well prepared with screeds of statistics and ‘facts’ to answer any question – or not answer, according to choice.
Lizzie
The fiberals are deliberately being dishonest, and hoping the public wont know the facts.
Victoria,
It’s certainly disappointing. It’s unclear how they can expect the “good” state Governments in NSW, SA and Tas to continue with their border closures without Emergency powers.
Also, to the point Shellbell was making earlier, I think it’s not unreasonable for the federal Government to create guidelines or even run hotel quarantine programs. It’s well within their autority to take over such things if they object to how the state’s run them, but they don’t want to a) wear the cost or b) the responsibility when things go wrong. I really can’t imagine the states complaining about the Federal Government managing and funding hotel quarantine, but even in a hypothetical situation they did, the feds could really just override them.
I’m increasingly wondering what the point of having a federal government if they refuse to take action in situations like this. They could have a valuable role as a co-ordinator but have chosen to pick silly partisan fights with state Governments (usually notably refusing to criticise Liberal Governments who do precisely the thing they object to).
If the federal Government objects to how state’s are doing things, then they have plenty of levers available to them. That they refuse to utilise them is really more telling.
Chris Bowen
@Bowenchris
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When Morrison called on Annastacia Palaszczuk to open Qld’s borders to Vic, she was right & they were wrong.
When Morrison backed Clive Palmer’s court case, Mark McGowan was right & Morrison was wrong.
Morrison should concentrate on fixing Aged Care, not fights with Premiers.
Bugler
Morrison wants all the glory and none of the care and responsibility. Simple as that.
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Further critical fact aired in federal court- that is was Chief of Australian Defence Force who referred Ben Roberts-Smith VC to the federal police over alleged war crimes.
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@Ageinvestigates
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Extraordinary fed court hearing about Ben Roberts-Smith. Court hears AFP wrote to VC recipient to tell him it had evidence from “eyewitnesses” who alleged he was involved in war crime in kicking an Afghan prisoner Ali Jan off cliff. First time AFP has disclosed such details.
This mean and nasty McDonalds franchisee has learnt the hard way that screwing your employees is not a good policy. I imagine the McDonalds company would be none too pleased at the stain on its image.
Bugler says:
Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 2:37 pm
You appear to believe that Australia isn’t a Federation where the Constitution details the responsibilities of the Federal and State Governments and that the Constitution specifically limits the Federal Government’s ability to interfere in the States or, without their agreement, to treat on State differently to another.
PucePhallus. Could you interpret for us, please? Trump’s wondrous clarity is plainly your speciality.
yabba says:
Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 2:46 pm
I’m don’t defend Trump. He’s an UnPredidential buffoon but FMD is Biden the best the Democrats could find? Really? I would have thought that they would have learnt after Billary but apparently not.
Denise Shrivell – North Sydney for an Independent
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A good & timely reminder that these are all of media eco-system issues we’re dealing with #auspol
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Trump isn’t doing it alone.
Fox News is sending his lies to 4.2 million viewers each night.
Twitter is conveying them to his 83 million followers several times a day.
Facebook is targeting them to tens of millions.
This isn’t freedom of speech. It’s the seedbed of fascism
Trump labeled our ‘elderly relative in cognitive decline’ after ‘delusional’ Fox News interview
President Donald Trump spend over an hour of his time talking with Fox News personality Laura Ingraham on Monday, despite America’s ongoing coronavirus crisis and economic catastrophe.
Trump said some something absurd things, like warning that the press corps is “all going to die” of boredom if Joe Biden wins in November. He also spoke about what women want and why Black voters like police.
Ingraham asked Trump who he thinks it is that are pulling Joe Biden’s strings.
“People you’ve never heard of,” Trump replied, without naming names for Ingraham to familiarize herself with.
“People that are in the dark shadows,” Trump continued.
“What does that mean?” Ingraham asked. “That sounds like conspiracy theory, dark shadows.”
“No, people that you haven’t heard of,” Trump replied. “They’re people that are on the streets, they’re people that are controlling the streets.”
Trump then told an anecdote about somebody flying on a plane full of “thugs” who were wearing black uniforms.
But he refused to give any details.
Trump’s comments were widely derided
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/trump-labeled-our-elderly-relative-in-cognitive-decline-after-delusional-fox-news-interview/
Quite a good, targeted question from Chalmers. I hate it when Labor leaves form for prevarication.
However Josh still adds b.s. to fill in the time and ends with a reprimand from Speaker. A record!
Citizen
Good court decision.
Amazon won’t be happy.
Bucephalus
“You appear to believe that Australia isn’t a Federation where the Constitution details the responsibilities of the Federal and State Governments and that the Constitution specifically limits the Federal Government’s ability to interfere in the States or, without their agreement, to treat on State differently to another.”
Well there is no limit on Commonwealth powers on quarantine because of the existence of State power.
This is a bit beside the point anyway. The absence of any political or academic argument that agreement with the states and territories that they discharge their own powers and roles in respect of quarantining their residents was wrong is significant. The fact that Victoria does not contend it should not have been asked to exercise its quarantine power is significant.
By ‘unpresidential buffoon’ as your choice of criticism, does that mean you still approve of the outcomes of his presidency, just not the optics?
The Dems likely didn’t think Biden was the best option, he was just the only one with enough name recognition and insider clout to stave off the populist uprising
Morrison has announced 1/2 billion of age care. Is this the same 1/2 billion that hasn’t been sent on bush fire recovery?