More coronavirus polling, more Eden-Monaro by-election wash-up

More evidence that Australians are heartily satisfied by the approaches taken by their governments in tackling COVID-19, even in Victoria, plus some concluding book-keeping from Eden-Monaro.

When too much of the above is barely enough:

• The Australian Electoral Commission has published preference flow data from the July 4 Eden-Monaro by-election, showing exactly how many of each candidate’s preferences ended up with Labor and Liberal. Of the 6.34% Nationals vote, 77.73% went to Liberal and 22.27% went to Labor, compared with an unusually polarised 87.16% and 12.84% in 2019, and 55.98% of preferences from the 5.34% Shooters Fishers and Farmers vote went to Labor and 44.02% to Liberal, after the party directed preferences to Labor on its how-to-vote cards. More on this from Kevin Bonham.

• Roy Morgan has published an SMS poll conducted in Victoria, which finds strong support for the state’s lockdown measures: 89-11 in favour of compulsory face masks, 76-24 against reopening schools and day care centres to all, 71-29 against relaxing the 5km travel restriction, 75-25 against allowing table service at pubs, restaurants and cafes, and 72-28 against lifting the curfew. The closest result to dissent was a relatively narrow 57-43 against allowing visits to immediate family members, currently allowed only for delivering care or essential services. The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday from a sample of 2110.

• A Pew Research Centre survey global survey finds 94% of Australian respondents believing their country had done a good job of handling COVID-19 compared with 6% for bad, a shade behind Denmark as the best result out of 14 countries. The only two countries that failed to crack 50% positive ratings were the United States and United Kingdom, at 47% and 46% respectively. Australia’s performance on the question of whether the country was now more united than before the outbreak was more modest, at 54% for more united and 40% for more divided, compared with a 14-nation median of 46% and 48%. The United States was a serious outler at 18% for more united and 77% for more united. The Australian component was conducted by telephone from June 11 to July 25 from a sample of 1016.

• The West Australian reports that WA Liberal Party state director Sam Calabrese will not contest the preselection to fill Mathias Cormann’s Senate vacancy, after earlier being considered the front-runner. The list of prospective nominees now seems to consist of Joe Francis, a Barnett government minister who lost his seat of Jandakot in the 2017 state election landslide; Sherry Sufi, arch-conservative party policy committee chairman; and Julian Ambrose, a director at construction company BGC and the stepson of its late founder, Len Buckeridge.

• My coverage of the Northern Territory election count contains with daily updates and live results reporting here. Labor has 13 confirmed wins out of 25 and leads over the CLP in another two; the CLP with six confirmed wins and leads over Labor in one; and the Territory Alliance with a lead over CLP in another.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

1,001 comments on “More coronavirus polling, more Eden-Monaro by-election wash-up”

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  1. lizzie @ #847 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 10:19 am

    I’m getting tired of the repetition of that ” Can you read this?” stuff. Why should anyone have to fight through a spelling muddle just to please someone too lazy to learn the right way? A teacher’s job is hard enough already.

    I think it just focuses on how important grammar is.

    I have to really concentrate on each word when I read students writing, otherwise I miss spelling errors, whilst grammar errors stand out like a sore thumb. 🙂

  2. ItzaDream
    During my childhood we had a three generation household at times as different grandparents came to live out their lives. It helped us learn about our family history and grandparents can be great friends and confidants.

    My children had an extended period of a three generation family during their teenage years and loved the home cooked treats grandma made for them each day. I loved the additional help that my mother offered because I worked long hours and was a single parent.

    When my son was building his house we discussed my husband and I staying for a year to help with childminding because DIL needed to go back to work. With my sons strange hours and her full time work traditional Childcare was not going to cut it. We have now been here five years, I get assistance with my husband who has Alzheimer’s and they get free childcare, meals cooked when they get home and laundry services. Now they are expecting again I thought they may want us to move but this was roundly knocked on the head as not being a good idea. Luckily because the decision was originally made prior to the house build they added an extra ensuite bathroom so we have a discreet space consisting of study bedroom and bathroom we use so we are not on top of each other when we are all home.

    It is working well and would make more sense for a lot of people if they can get over the idea of living with their kids. Moving in when you can contribute is preferable to feeling you have no options due to health and see yourself as a burden.

  3. Lars Von Trier @ #808 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 10:50 am

    C@t, here is adrian’s latest comment from the US politics post:

    “And in the first two polls since the Republican convention, Trump narrows Biden’s national lead to six points, the narrowest lead for Biden in one of those polls for two months.”

    Less posting, more packing….

    Stick your advice up your jumper, LvT. I’ll post as much as I like. Frankly, I’m ahead of schedule, so you’ll see more of my posts, not less. Like it, or lump it. And if it gets in the way of your attempts to skew the debate. Tough.

  4. The thing with the can you read this with muddled up letters statment.

    two and three letters words are fine.
    four letters words are a simple switch.
    More then half of all five letters words have at least one of the three middle letters in the right place.

    BLWON
    EEVRY
    WOLHE
    PEOWR
    FIURT

    Very few words actually have six or more letters.

    This means you can work out most of the words by themselves without the context of the other words.

  5. SRSLY? You had to go to all that trouble just to prove you’re right.

    Neither myself nor GG gave two shits about Savva’s ancestory. You did though.

    That’s exactly what I mean by “smartarsery”. If you don’t care about Savva’s ancestry, why start an argument about it?

    The reason I brought it up is because a high number of Victorian fatalities due to COVID-19 occurred in a nursing home called St Basil’s, which is run by the Greek Orthodox church.

    Savva is likely to have extensive contacts within the Greek community of Melbourne, as she was brought up and schooled there. It is likely that she has heard from some of her Greek relatives and/or other contacts within the Greek community about the situation at St. Basil’s.

    It’s not hard to put 2+2 together and posit a possible reason as to why Savva has expressed a negative view on Federal government administration of people under their ultimate care in Federally regulated nursing homes.

    If, instead of falling over yourself trying to be a smartarse, you knew anything at all about Savva, you’d also know that she identifies as Greek, and indeed is the author of a book called So Greek: Confessions of a Conservative Leftie, which, if you hadn’t been in such a hurry to troll me on a trivial point that you admit you don’t give a shit about anyway, you might have checked up on.

    Everyone knows that Cyprus has both Greek and Turkish communities, and that it was once formally divided along ethnic lines. They even had a war over it. Do you think you’re the only genius aware of that?

    When it’s pointed out just how wrong you were on the fact and how petty your point was (by your own admission), you counter it by accusing me of being obsessive-compulsive.

    You’re just too much of a smartarse for your own good DP. Next time you buy into a factual dispute, try coming armed with facts instead of smartarsery.

    And if you’re wrong, either admit it, or keep the insults to yourself.

  6. lizzie @ #797 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 10:35 am

    I missed this point by Savva. I think it’s a good one.

    @noplaceforsheep
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    Savva notes that Sukkar & Andrews are deeply committed to creating a home for the religious right in the Liberal party.
    Which is why Sukkar will not be significantly punished by Morrison #Insiders

    Savva must have been asleep for some time (see below). This is more a take over rather than merely finding a home , they already had one.

    God under Howard: The rise of the religious right in Australia
    February 26, 2005 — 11.00am

    Marion Maddox’s powerful analysis of the insidious growth of the religious Right in Australian politics demonstrates the danger of this ignorance. For all the acres of newsprint devoted to political commentary in this country, the influence of fundamentalist varieties of Christianity within the Howard Government over a period of years now has gone virtually unreported.

    God under Howard: The rise of the religious right in Australia
    By Marion Maddox
    Allen & Unwin, $29.95
    https://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/books/god-under-howard-the-rise-of-the-religious-right-in-australia-20050226-gdznpq.html

  7. QLD 2020 Election Predictions:

    It’s been a month since the last QLD thread and since I posted my last round of predictions (still awaiting final NT Results to see how I went there). To report my last predictions:

    ALP 41, LNP 40, KAP 3, GRN 2, ON 1, IND 1 , 5 Toss Ups
    (Green to gain South Brisbane, Toss-ups: Bundamba, Maryborough, Mundingburra, Thuringowa, Whitsunday)
    Seats to watch: Aspley, Baron River, Gaven, Keppel, Logan, Mansfield, Mulgrave, Redlands, Rockhampton, Springwood, Townsville,

    ———————————————–

    I won’t post a full detailed analysis/prediction until a dedicated QLD thread pops-up again by I now have my numbers as follows:
    ALP 39, LNP 33, KAP 3, GRN 2, ON 1, IND 1, 14 Toss Ups
    (Toss Ups [brackets indicate party leaning]: Caloundra [LNP], Chatsworth [LNP], Cook [ALP], Gaven [ALP], Glasshouse [LNP], Keppel [ALP], Lockyer [LNP], Maryborough [ALP], Mulgrave [ALP], Mundingburra [??], Pumicestone [Possible ALP Gain], Thuringowa [??], Townsville [Goodluck in this one! See notes below], Whitsunday [NQ])

    Forcing those toss-ups to lean. I get final numbers:
    ALP 45, LNP 37, KAP 3, GRN 2, ON 1, NQ 1, IND 1, No idea 3

    For a brief summary of interest:
    *From various sources I get the following candidates currently endorsed: ALP 77 seats, LNP 78, Green 32, KAP 12, One Nation 36, Palmer 11, IND 3, AJP 6, Legalise Cannibis Qld 13, IMOP 12, Motorists/No Tolls 1)

    Mundingburra and Thuringowa are Townsville based seats. It could literally go to anyone of ALP, LNP, ON or KAP.

    Pumicestone: LNP Member (2017-2020) retiring. Open seat. ALP Candidate Ali King who ran as the ALP Candidte in Maiwar in 2017. Was ALP pre-2017 and on such a tight margin less than 1 %, this is one seat I think the ALP can seriously gain. Although 2 months out to election, anything can happen but see this firming for the ALP.

    Whitsunday: Well the ALP candidate was ‘pushed’ with a ‘captains pick’ from AnnaPal (thanks to a previous poster for this shortening, I like it!) for a new candidate. So the old ALP candidate is now barracking for the KAP Candidate. Costigan (NQ 1st) may take from LNP voters with him but right now it’s a NQ lead with possibility of KAP or LNP gain.

    Townsville: 8 candidates already endorsed! ALP, LNP, GRN, KAP, NQ, UAP (Palmer), LCQ, IMOP. And that’s before even One Nation picks someone. Seriously, good luck to anyone who can pick the winner from this seat!

  8. Maverick businessman Clive Palmer claims central Queensland has become a Third World economy, warns the state’s future is on a knife-edge, and accuses the Premier of politicising the COVID-19 pandemic to be re-elected.

    In a provocative attack, he described Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk as hopeless and said he wanted to use his influence to save Queensland from Labor, as he did for Australia in the 2019 federal election.

    Mr Palmer said voters should not discount the possibility of a re-elected Labor Government turning the rest of the Sunshine State into an economic basket case.

    Mr Palmer, who says he’s worth $9 billion, told The Sunday Mail that in coming weeks he would ramp up his campaign against Ms Palaszczuk.

    In his first major declaration of why he’s investing heavily in the October 31 election, Mr Palmer said he had saved Australia from “dodgy” then Labor leader Bill Shorten at the last federal poll, and he intended to do the same for Queensland with Ms Palaszczuk.

    https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/qld-election-2020-clive-palmer-says-state-cant-afford-labor-win/news-story/000275efdf7e49a44fb8e0260ade34c6

  9. Super Fat Bastard Arsehat to save Queensland, huh?

    I just hope that Queensland Labor gather up all the lies he told at the last federal election about Bill Shorten’s Labor and throw them back in his fat face.

  11. ‘Maverick businessman Clive Palmer claims…’

    There’s your problem, right there. What he claims bears no resemblance to reality.

  16. Danama Paperssays:
    Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 1:22 pm
    lizzie @ #857 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 11:13 am

    Mr Palmer, who says he’s worth $9 billion

    And yet he doesn’t seem to have the money to pay his workers what they’re entitled to.
    _______________________
    You don’t become a billionaire by writing cheques to people. Just ask the owner of Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Net.

  17. Maverick businessman Clive Palmer claims central Queensland has become a Third World economy,

    And he welcomes the improvement.

  18. Either the leader of the Labour Party is doing something right, or the Tories are doing something drastically wrong (my money is on the later – bigly):

    Today, in a further blow to Conservative morale, a poll by Opinium for the Observer shows Labour is now level-pegging with the Tories for the first time since last summer, before Johnson was leader. In just five months since the full lockdown was imposed by the prime minister, the Conservatives have lost a 26-point lead over Labour who now stand neck-and-neck with the Tories on 40%.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/29/boris-johnson-faces-tory-wrath-as-party-slumps-in-shock-poll

    PS I don’t know anything about this Opinium mob, and it could be a yooge outlier, but it seems to have BoJo and his unmerry band of miscreants shitting bricks, which can’t be a bad thing.

    If Bojo starts a long descent down the gurgler, and Trumpenstein goes down, then ScoMoFo…., well let’s just say I’d hate to be a cleaner at Engadine Maccas. 😆

  19. Assantdj @ #851 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 12:31 pm

    ItzaDream
    During my childhood we had a three generation household at times as different grandparents came to live out their lives. It helped us learn about our family history and grandparents can be great friends and confidants.

    My children had an extended period of a three generation family during their teenage years and loved the home cooked treats grandma made for them each day. I loved the additional help that my mother offered because I worked long hours and was a single parent.

    When my son was building his house we discussed my husband and I staying for a year to help with childminding because DIL needed to go back to work. With my sons strange hours and her full time work traditional Childcare was not going to cut it. We have now been here five years, I get assistance with my husband who has Alzheimer’s and they get free childcare, meals cooked when they get home and laundry services. Now they are expecting again I thought they may want us to move but this was roundly knocked on the head as not being a good idea. Luckily because the decision was originally made prior to the house build they added an extra ensuite bathroom so we have a discreet space consisting of study bedroom and bathroom we use so we are not on top of each other when we are all home.

    It is working well and would make more sense for a lot of people if they can get over the idea of living with their kids. Moving in when you can contribute is preferable to feeling you have no options due to health and see yourself as a burden.

    Lovely read Assantdj. All the best to you all

  20. Biden only won the nomination because Obama persuaded the other centrists to withdraw. Had there been no intervention there would have been no consolidation behind Biden, Bernie would have won the nomination, and the Democrats would be in a much stronger position right now.

    Neoliberal corporatist Democrats are more concerned to preserve their stranglehold on the Democratic Party than to remove Trump. That is the bottom line. Americans are paying a very steep price because of that power play.

  21. Nicholas @ #869 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 11:57 am

    Biden only won the nomination because Obama persuaded the other centrists to withdraw. Had there been no intervention there would have been no consolidation behind Biden, Bernie would have won the nomination, and the Democrats would be in a much stronger position right now.

    Neoliberal corporatist Democrats are more concerned to preserve their stranglehold on the Democratic Party than to remove Trump. That is the bottom line. Americans are paying a very steep price because of that power play.

    So the majority was never with Sanders and his only chance was to have other candidates splitting the vote! 😆

  22. ItzaDream @ #819 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 11:17 am

    Can the Supreme Court amend the amendment? It can elect Presidents.

    They can judicially interpret it. Though the text leaves little wiggle-room for interpretation:

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    Suppose an argument can be made that Trump can get extra terms if it’s by appointment rather than by election. But then who makes the appointments? The Court, I suppose?

    But can’t see the current Supreme Court pushing that sort of interpretation. There aren’t enough Trump lackeys on it, yet.

  23. The Sparrow Project
    @sparrowmedia
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    5m
    DEVELOPING: A protestor was just shot in Portland near the Justice Center, reports of multiple shots fired, situation fluid.

    Robert Evans (The Only Robert Evans)
    @IwriteOK
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    3m
    One person, reportedly a black male, shot and very likely killed in Downtown Portland after Trump Cruise. Unclear if it was connected.

    Ambulance drove off leaving body. Police were not rendering aid. I saw no motion.

    America……

  24. a r @ #871 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 12:02 pm

    ItzaDream @ #819 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 11:17 am

    Can the Supreme Court amend the amendment? It can elect Presidents.

    They can judicially interpret it. Though the text leaves little wiggle-room for interpretation:

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    Suppose an argument can be made that Trump can get extra terms if its by appointment rather than by election. But then who makes the appointments? The Court, I suppose?

    But can’t see the current Supreme Court pushing that sort of interpretation. There aren’t enough Trump lackeys on it, yet.

    Trump could argue that he never acted as a President! 🙂

  25. Politics Obsessed,

    I won’t try and match the detail of your review. I think its really hard to read the election at this stage. The Southerners will all be going – hey cakewalk for Palasczuck given COVID19 and the low profile of Deb Frecklington, but i think that underestimates how much Queenslanders are tired of Labor.

    If I had to guess, it would be the LNP winning 5 or so regional swats (the Townsville three plus Maryborough and another one somewhere), but nothing else. Plus the Greens get South Brisbane. I don’t think the ALP will.win any.

    This would give a result of ALP 42 seats, greens 2, ind 1, KAP 3, ON1, LNP.44. So a minority LNP government as I can’t see the Katters supporting Labor given the way Palasczuck treated them, plus they are basically more to the right overall.

    But despite trecent polling showing the LNP ahead, and the betting markets, most people still seem to think the ALP win.

  26. Barney in Tanjung Bunga @ #872 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 2:07 pm

    a r @ #871 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 12:02 pm

    ItzaDream @ #819 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 11:17 am

    Can the Supreme Court amend the amendment? It can elect Presidents.

    They can judicially interpret it. Though the text leaves little wiggle-room for interpretation:

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    Suppose an argument can be made that Trump can get extra terms if its by appointment rather than by election. But then who makes the appointments? The Court, I suppose?

    But can’t see the current Supreme Court pushing that sort of interpretation. There aren’t enough Trump lackeys on it, yet.

    Trump could argue that he never acted as a President! 🙂

    And never profoundly!

    And thanks ar. He’s already been saying, often, that he’s been robbed of his first term by the wicked impeachment process. Nothing is off his perpetual victim agenda. As David Frum said, all he can feel is pain, and all he can give back is …. pain.

    The Dems need to win both houses, and won bigly. Anything less than very convincing will be disputed, and if it goes to the Court, we know how that went last time.

  28. The estate of Leonard Cohen joins a looooong list of other artists and former artists unhappy with their work being associated with Trump.

    Last week’s Republican National Convention didn’t just conclude with fireworks spelling out the word TRUMP beside the Washington Monument. It included two uses of the late Leonard Cohen’s most famous song “Hallelujah.” In a statement on the artist’s Facebook page on Friday, representatives from Cohen’s estate and Sony ATV Music Publishing said they are “exploring legal options” for the unauthorized use.

    Michelle L. Rice, legal representative of Leonard Cohen’s estate, wrote “we are surprised and dismayed that the RNC would proceed knowing that the Cohen Estate had specifically declined the RNC’s use request, and their rather brazen attempt to politicize and exploit in such an egregious manner ‘Hallelujah’, one of the most important songs in the Cohen song catalogue.”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/08/leonard-cohens-estate-may-sue-donald-trump-for-unauthorized-use-of-hallelujah

  29. DP wrote:

    “Yawn”

    I’ll take that as a concession of defeat from Danama.

    Starts a fight. Runs away when confronted by facts.

  30. Bushfire Bill @ #877 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 12:47 pm

    DP wrote:

    “Yawn”

    I’ll take that as a concession of defeat from Danama.

    Starts a fight. Runs away when confronted by facts.

    I’m still here, S.F.B*.

    By the way, if you look back on today’s posts YOU were the one who picked a fight with both me and the Growler, because your anall retentive nature just couldn’t let anyone else be right, so you spent more time than either me or the Growler could be bothered with looking up the exact details of Nikki Savva’s ancestry.

    All I did was point out what a dickhead you are by obsessing over such trivial shit.

    AND YOU”RE STILL OBSESSING WITH IT!

    FFS, get a life, or even an existence would be an improvement.

    Oh, and in case you’re wondering, I’m off out now for about half an hour. I know you’ll still be here when I get back, so that gives you time to work yourself up into a right old lather.

    Toodle pip.

  32. So what Victorian Federal seats are in danger if the religious nutcases take over the Libs down there? Savvy Victorian Bludgers please fill in the blanks.

    Australians are a notoriously unreligious lot. Perhaps you could say even “anti-religious”? We are not America, where every street corner has a pop-up church full of Happy Clappers and God-fearing adulterers.

    What possible benefit could the Religious Right hope to achieve, now that the branch stacking cat is out of the bag? As long as it is kept stealthy religious nuttery makes progress, but when it’s exposed it usually dies a large and ugly death at the polling booth.

    The suspicion of course is that ScoMo wants to see more religion in government, not less. It’s the Pentecostal way. But he’s sensible enough to hide his zealotry, even almost deny it on occasions. The la-la land Victorians don’t seem to care.

    What are the odds for an implosion in Victoria if Morrison keeps backing the anti-Andrews terrorists?

  33. “ Biden only won the nomination because Obama persuaded the other centrists to withdraw. ”

    Just horseshit Nicholas. Unadulterated horseshit. A complete historical fiction. Deluded.

    Rank and file support for the other ‘centrists’ tanked and surprisingly little of that went to your puny god.

    Obama only came out and endorsed Biden way later. Neither he or his proxies were hitting the phones for joe or pulling in favours in early to late March. Actual democrat supporters simply worked out that Bernie couldn’t shift his plurality out of the low 30s and that none of the other candidates left in the race – warren and Buttigieg etc etc – could sustain anything more that bare double digit support.

    Joe on the other hand demonstrates he could get the job done in the one geographical area that his threadbare campaign could actually mount an on the ground presence – the Carolinas – and that was enough for real democrats to simply shift back behind him.

  35. M.McMahon
    @martinm34060415

    Trump Re-election Plan

    1. Create conditions for social disorder by stoking racial tensions

    2. Manipulate media imagery to amplify social tensions

    3. Send in National Guard to suppress ( incited) protests

    4. Use all of above to scare voters to re-elect Trump

  38. Danama Papers @ #866 Sunday, August 30th, 2020 – 1:49 pm

    Either the leader of the Labour Party is doing something right, or the Tories are doing something drastically wrong (my money is on the later – bigly):

    Today, in a further blow to Conservative morale, a poll by Opinium for the Observer shows Labour is now level-pegging with the Tories for the first time since last summer, before Johnson was leader. In just five months since the full lockdown was imposed by the prime minister, the Conservatives have lost a 26-point lead over Labour who now stand neck-and-neck with the Tories on 40%.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/29/boris-johnson-faces-tory-wrath-as-party-slumps-in-shock-poll

    PS I don’t know anything about this Opinium mob, and it could be a yooge outlier, but it seems to have BoJo and his unmerry band of miscreants shitting bricks, which can’t be a bad thing.

    If Bojo starts a long descent down the gurgler, and Trumpenstein goes down, then ScoMoFo…., well let’s just say I’d hate to be a cleaner at Engadine Maccas. 😆

    Amazing how an effective leader can turn things around.
    Starmer will be the next PM

  40. BB
    The most likely candidates would be Deakin Menzies and Casey. Depending on how the religious right developed it could see the Liberals improve among migrant communities in Melbourne’s north and south east.

  41. PORTLAND, Ore. —

    One person is dead after a shooting in downtown Portland Saturday night following skirmishes between pro-Trump and Black Lives Matter protesters, the department confirmed in a statement.

    A man was seen with a gunshot wound laying motionless on the ground in the area near where the opposing groups had fought and where mace had been deployed. Police and emergency medical vehicles surrounded the man. That in turn amplified tensions among protesters as police attempted to secure the area in a busy part of the riot-stricken city.

    “Portland Police officers heard sounds of gunfire from the area of Southeast 3rd Avenue and Southwest Alder Street,” the Portland Police Bureau said in a statement. “They responded and located a victim with a gunshot wound to the chest. Medical responded and determined that the victim was deceased.”

    Police did not release information on a suspect.

    Earlier in the evening, skirmishes between pro-Trump rallygoers and BLM supporters in downtown Portland left multiple people injured. The sparring groups threw punches at one another and hurled debris between vehicles, and some groups broke into open fighting in the street. Trump supporters in trucks were at one point blocked in by the Black Lives Matter activists, and began exiting their vehicles, precipitating the violence.

    Blood was streaming down the face of one Trump supporter who had challenged an activist to a fight.

    Tony Bartell, 26, of Vancouver, Wash., said one of the Trump rallygoers punched him after jumping out of a vehicle. Bartell had photographed his license plate, agitating a man.

    “While he’s in my face and I’m recording him, someone else comes up behind me and smacks my phone on the ground,” he said. He said he was hit in the face and shaken up.

    Earlier in the evening, activists met Trump supporters, some of them armed, who were waving flags and driving pickups on a highway on-ramp leading to Interstate 5.

    The Black Lives Matter activists initially blocked traffic onto the highway as some yelled “Just go home!” and “Don’t come to our city!” Others urged restraint, yelling, “Don’t give them a reason!” They apparently were trying to ensure that a vehicle would not charge into the activists.

    A small fight broke out at the head of the on-ramp before police arrived moments later and separated the groups, which had gathered earlier in the day at a shopping center just outside Portland. Police were seen making multiple arrests.

    The truck-driving Trump supporters, some armed, planned to follow a highway route around the city, according to a route map posted on social media.

    The groups were separated after skirmishes broke out, and they began hurling obscenities at each other from opposite sides of the highway.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/29/blm-activists-counterprotesters-clash-portland-leading-arrests/

  42. DP,

    All I did was point out what a dickhead you are by obsessing over such trivial shit.

    I made an obvious point about Nikki Savva’s position on Federally regulated nursing homes, backed up by facts. I left it at that. Didn’t make a big thing out of it. It was a passing comment about the Insiders program.

    The point I was making may be completely wrong. But it won’t be because Nikki Savva is a Turkish Cypriot, as you suggested.

    At least I argued my case. Your response was to buy into the discussion, first with erroneous facts, then by throwing around insults when pinged for them, like a child would do.

    You’re STILL acting like a child, and are obviously way out of your depth. I’m quite happy to let it go, but not at the expense of being labelled as a dickhead, an obsessive compulsive and accused of talking shit simply because I proved I was correct in my facts (and you were wrong).

    YOU’RE the one who said he doesn’t care about Savva’s ethnicity. Why are you continuing to be so childish about it?

  43. The police in America should pay a price for allowing this to happen:

    TYLER, Tex. — The goal of the rally was to oppose the deployment of federal agents to quell protests in American cities — and to register new Democratic voters here in the heart of conservative East Texas.

    But it had hardly begun when hundreds of conservative counterprotesters and supporters of President Trump, many with military-style rifles slung over their shoulders, swarmed the town square and began pushing and shoving and yelling obscenities.

    One man punched Democrat Nancy Nichols in the chest, she said, and three others pinned her husband against Tyler’s war memorial. Other armed men were positioned around the edges of the square in military-style defensive formation, their hands clutching their rifles.

    “They were yelling Democrats are f—ing idiots and Democrats are demons,” recalled Nichols, 65. “It makes me feel angry that this is allowed and that our police are allowing this kind of hate-filled atmosphere to take over.”

    Nancy Nichols, a Democratic activist and voter deputy registrar, said she was punched in the chest by a counter protestor at Gilbert’s rally. “It’s honestly made me more hopeful. Let’s bring it all to the surface so it can be healed,” said Nichols, who posed for a portrait at her home in Tyler on Wednesday. (Julia Robinson/For The Washington Post)
    The scuffling, which injured a top aide for Democratic congressional candidate Hank Gilbert, is part of a wave of politically tinged violence across the nation in recent weeks after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, rattling communities facing a toxic mix of partisanship and guns ahead of the 2020 election.

    In a spate of exchanges that have spanned from Kalamazoo, Mich., and Bloomington, Ind., to Chicago and Portland, Ore., people on both sides of the United States’ political and cultural divide have been filmed exchanging punches, beating one another with sticks and flagpoles, or standing face-to-face with weapons, often with police appearing to be little more than observers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-violence/2020/08/27/3f232e66-e578-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html

  46. C@tmomma says:
    Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:24 pm
    “The police in America should pay a price for allowing this to happen:”

    Have you seen Portland or Seattle in the great State of Oregon? The intimidation of people leaving the Whitehouse after the RNC close?

    Yet, Police have to pay for what?

  49. “ The point I was making may be completely wrong. But it won’t be because Nikki Savva is a Turkish Cypriot, as you suggested.”

    Huh?

    While I dunno what the ‘debate’ between DP and BB is headed (I usually scroll past a lot of that) Nikki is definitely not a Turkish Cypriot. She hails from Choli, part of the internationally recognised Republic of Cypress. I’d eat a hat if she were actually of Turkish extraction.

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