As reported by The Guardian, the latest fortnightly Essential Research poll finds approval of Scott Morrison’s handling of COVID-19 at 61%, which is off from a high of 72% in June. Approval ratings for state governments in New South Wales as well as Victoria are also trending gently downwards, with both having lost two points in the past fortnight, leaving them at 59% and 47% respectively. The Western Australian government continues to lead the field on 84%, though this too is down two on last time, with due regard to the very small sample size.
The poll also suggests Australians are unsentimental about civil liberties in the face of COVID-19, with 65% favouring closing the border to all foreign travellers and 52% supporting dedicated quarantine facilities for convalescents. Concerning outbreaks at aged care clinics, 42% blamed the providers, 30% the federal goverment and 28% state governments, and 70% believed the situation had been aggravated by long-term under-funding. The poll also gauged support for taxpayers to underwrite new gas infrastructure at 27% for, 27% against and 32% for neither. The poll was conducted from 1068 respondents from Thursday to Sunday; the pollster will publish its full report will be published later today.
UPDATE: Full report here. It should be noted that the 61% approval rating for handling of COVID-19 related to “the government” rather than Scott Morrison.
We also had on Friday one of the occasional Roy Morgan polls on federal voting intention, which finds the Coalition lead out to 54-46 from 51.5-48.5 when the last such poll was published in mid-July. The Coalition is up 2.5% on the primary vote to 46%, with Labor down one to 32.5%, the Greens steady on 11% and One Nation up half a point to 3%. The poll was conducted over the previous two weekends by phone and online interviewing from a sample of 2841.
ItzaDream @ #1339 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 12:59 pm
I think you left an ‘s’ out there in your last word. 😆
Though, seriously, the affrontery of Bucephalus to think that he knows more about Hydroxychloroquine than you, a medical professional.
But that’s how these delusional RWNJs roll. More front than Myer. Less factual accuracy than a kindergardener being asked about brain surgery.
Bonza says:
Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 12:59 pm
“Like cigarettes?”
WTF?
You idiot.
yes, “hit”= “shit”
lizzie
As you have to take the stuff and would have heard chapter and verse its effects/risks perhaps you could enlighten Buce as to how safe it is ?
C@tmommasays:
Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:04 pm
“Though, seriously, the affrontery of Bucephalus to think that he knows more about Hydroxychloroquine than you, a medical professional.”
Where have I said that? I’ve specifically said, because morons don’t understand it, that it should only be taken as prescribed by a Doctor. How is that saying I know more than a medical professional?
I knew it was used for Malaria and since the publicity started around it I have learnt that it is actually used by a lot of people for other reasons than just Malaria – all under the supervision of Doctors.
If idiots want to take prescription drugs without them being prescribed then they are fucking idiots who deserve whatever happens to them.
poroti
I don’t think that Buce would take the slightest notice of anything I say. He knows best on all subjects.
Albanese speaking well
Buce, you’re point of view on guns, human life (other’s that is) and law and order make me thankful we have strong gun laws!
“I’ve been waiting for him to finally fire up.”
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Albo has been pretty timid to say the least. This is what you call firing up…
Watch: https://twitter.com/SenatorSiewert/status/1298810873323036672
That’s what someone speaking with real passion looks like right there.
Bucephalus @ #1349 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 1:03 pm
* If Doctors don’t think that it should be taken then don’t take it. FFS*
By George he’s got it. At last. The doctors say don’t take it for Covid. That is to say, the doctors say don’t take it for Covid. FFS.
Now, if you’d be so good to tell that Kelly person next.
Firefox,
Your right. Labor needs someone on the front bench to behave like that. Someone occa. If Fitz was a team player he’d be the ALP barnaby
“Of course, hurricane damage has increased, as people flock to the nation’s coasts and associated infrastructure increases. But we should remember that (for example) Miami only had 444 residents when incorporated in 1896, and now the Miami metroplex has over 6,000,000 inhabitants.
So, yes, storm damage will increase, but not because the weather has gotten worse.
Given the current event, which is sure to bring major damage to southwest Louisiana, I thought I would present the statistics for all documented hurricanes affecting Louisiana in the last 170 years (1851-2020).
Neither Hurricane Numbers nor Intensities Have Increased in Louisiana
If we examine all of the hurricanes affecting Louisiana in the last 170 years in the National Hurricane Center’s HURDAT database (as summarized on Wikipedia) we find that there has been no long-term increase in either the number of hurricanes or their intensity since 1851.”
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/08/even-with-laura-louisiana-hurricanes-have-not-increased-since-1851/
Lizzie, who needs Google when you have Buce.
PeeBee
😆
Bucephalus @ #1288 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 12:18 pm
Buce,
Just catching up, but you’ve omitted a pretty important bit of context here…..like the fact that the kid had already killed someone.
When you order people to get their facts straight, you should include all of the relevant facts.
ItzaDreamsays:
Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:13 pm
“Now, if you’d be so good to tell that Kelly person next.”
Why? Are Doctors taking his advice to prescribe it wrongly? Utter stupidity.
When Albo says the labor party does reforms.
He should then list.
Medicare, Super, Hecs etc. Just to stamp it in.
Spray – please don’t quote an important fact.
Firefox
And in the end what will in amount to, a raised voice. You should stop highlighting the Greens total and complete political failure.
Good to see Albo perform well. I know he’s got it in him. He’s got far more substance than Shorten, despite what the Shorten cult will have you believe.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/08/26/kenosha-shooting-video-shows-suspected-gunman-kyle-rittenhouse-being-allowed-to-leave-scene/
Just watch this news report, and reflect on the fact that the leader of this unfortunate society has been known to refer to other places as “shithole countries”.
Anyone who wants to take Hydroxychloroquine based on the word of a failed furniture salesman is more than welcome.
In fact I encourage it, earlier rather than later, at least we might rid the world of one or two halfwits before they can breed and thereby improve the genepool.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-joes-energy-jobs-11598310676
“North America’s Building Trades Unions, a labor federation of 14 unions and three million members, begs to differ. In July the NABTU—whose affiliates include the Teamsters and International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers—released two surveys of workers and statistics that analyze jobs across the energy economy. They found that “both union and non-union” tradespeople report that oil and gas jobs “have better wages, benefits and opportunities than renewables projects.”
One survey conducted interviews, focus groups and an online survey with some 1,700 union and non-union workers in energy jobs. Workers reported that oil and gas jobs were longer-term, resulting in steadier incomes and more consistent benefits. “With solar, you work your way out of a job. . . . Three months duration [then] you’re done,” explained one electrician. Workers also liked that there was “better project variety, skill development and project consistency.” The report emphasized that “skilled trade jobs are not highly interchangeable between industries.”
The Bureau of Labor Statistics says the oil and gas industry provides an average annual salary of $108,000, nearly twice the private economy average. A Journal analysis last year found even higher average wages at large companies like Exxon Mobil, where median worker pay is about $170,000 a year. Renewable medians are harder to measure, but NABTU president Sean McGarvey estimates that many union members would “take a 50% or 75% pay cut.””
Surprise, surprise.
Bucephalus @ #1355 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 1:10 pm
You said it was safe. Or “historically safe”, if that makes any difference.
Might have been more accurate to say it’s historically considered to be safer than contracting malaria. Which is quite a bit different from being “safe”.
Nice cherry-picking. If you want to make that comparison to see if the weather has gotten worse, you have to look at the season as a whole (whether or not a storm landfalls in a particular state is purely arbitrary).
If you do that and take the ten most active seasons, a third of them have occurred in the past 20 years. Half of them have occurred in the past 25. We’re experiencing “hyperactive” Atlantic hurricane seasons about 5 times as often as we should be given the historical trend from 1851 to 1975.
The storm damage will increase (but that’s a bogus metric for comparing storms anyways), and the weather has gotten worse.
Spraysays:
Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:18 pm
“When you order people to get their facts straight, you should include all of the relevant facts.”
I had already given a completely factual account of what happened earlier in the morning. Go back and read it.
https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm
Crank’s so called expert
Bucephalus
There is only one small problem, it is all over. Wishful thinking for the past. The challenge is, what does the future look like.
I’d encourage you to have a look at the news footage I just posted.
Bucephalus ,
The problem is energy density.
Oil pays because oil is energy dense so it’s extraction and the work associated benefits.
Solar and wind are dispersed energy collection. So the payoff is more dispersed. Whilst there may be less high payed jobs, they’ll be more good quality well paying jobs.
The other problem not costed in is the negative externality that CO2 emissions will result in a future where people will die of heat exhaustion because it’s so humid and cot the act of sweating won’t be able to shed heat (Already happens in India atm, starting to happen most places between the topics of cancer and capricorn)
You don’t think that’s just a little disingenuous?
The issue wasn’t the whether what he was saying was true, it was why in the everliving fuck he thought it was a good idea to bring it up in the first place. Yes, he might be correct, but it’s an absolutely moronic statement for a self-described socialist running for President of the United States to be making. It invites an incredibly easy comparison for his opponents to make – “Bernie doesn’t think Cuba was all bad = Bernie wants to make America like Cuba.” Yes, of course it’s bullshit. That doesn’t matter. When the inevitable attack ads air, they wouldn’t be running the whole paragraph of Sanders clarifying his point, they would just need the one sentence of him saying the regime “wasn’t all bad” to scare the living bajeezus out of middle America. Which is precisely my point: socialist rhetoric would be far more effective against a candidate like Sanders then a candidate like Biden.
This is one of the occasions where Bernie needed to put aside his “Well, actually…” tendencies and just gone with the bland, boilerplate condemnation of the Cuban regime, coupled with an explanation of why his own platform is nothing like that. It’s like his insistence on calling himself a socialist: in his pursuit of “truth”, he repeatedly gimps his own electoral chances. And then people like you wonder why he lost the nomination.
Ultimately, the problem wasn’t Bernie’s policies. Not really. It was Bernie. His platform was pretty damn left-wing by US standards, sure, but the right candidate could sell it to the American people. Bernie wasn’t that person.
By the supporters of the establishment (Christ, I’m growing to hate that word), I assume you mean the ordinary Democratic primary voters who didn’t vote for Sanders? Because they were the ones who denied him the nomination, not the Democratic machine. Have you ever assumed that maybe, just maybe, a good portion of these people genuinely just preferred the policies of Biden, Buttigeig, Klobucher, and the like? That maybe they genuinely didn’t really mind how things were back in the Obama years, whatever problems there might have been, and would happily take more of that over Trump’s America? That hey saw the deep, dark hole Trump was pulling the country into and were more concerned with getting rid of him over a repeat of McGovern or Mondale or Dukakis’ failed efforts. Or perhaps they actually noticed the legitimately progressive policies that the moderates were advocating, and didn’t buy the arguments that they were all dirty neo-liberals just because they weren’t advocating for seizing the means of production from the bourgeois elite. (Not that Sanders is actually a socialist either, of course – he’s a social democrat that infuriatingly insists on referring to himself as a socialist.)
In any case, if you’re arguing that the Obama years were in any way comparable to the Trump years on pretty much any measure, I’m not sure we’re going to find many points of agreement.
Obviously. You realize there’s a difference between the Republicans running an attack line and it actually working, right?
No, we won’t know that. But we will know if the “Biden is a socalist!” rhetoric gains traction, which was the point I was making.
Yep, because that’s why Hillary lost. She was part of the establishment. No other reason, whatsoever. Wasn’t due to her poor campaign, or low popularity, or taking the rustbelt for granted, or the emails, or any of that – she was part of the establishment, and that’s apparently all the American public care about.
Yep, she was. Do you think that’s why she lost?
Give it a decade or so, and I’d be down for that. She’s articulate, intelligent, likable, has a pragmatic streak, and isn’t a cranky 79 year old man still fighting the ideological wars of the 70s and 80s. Needs some age and gravitas and experience under her belt, but I think she’s one to watch out for. She’s someone who could actually sell a platform like Bernie’s to middle America.
Oh dear, another day with the forum overtaken by one opinionated know all, and everyone responding?
Bucephalus @ #1367 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 1:20 pm
No, but Craig Kelly is continuing to preach this dangerous nonsense to a gullible choir. And that’s why he should stop. He has a very large soapbox as a federal MP and he should just act responsibly when he uses it, fcs!
Vogon Poet @ #1376 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 1:29 pm
Thanks, Vogon Poet.
C@tmomma @ #1381 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 1:33 pm
The black market is where the danger lies C@t, as I’m sure you know. Likewise the poster who looks like a winner in the last word stakes, relegating P1 to a poor second.
Vogon Poetsays:
Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:29 pm
The statistics don’t change just because you don’t like the people who analyse them.
Some good news for a change:
Australian scientists slash dengue fever in Indonesia by infecting mosquitoes with bacteria
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/australian-scientists-dengue-fever-indonesia-mosquito/12597730
Torchbearer @ #1381 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 1:33 pm
True. However, if you let an ignorant, zealous blowhard go unchallenged and uncorrected, you get Donald Trump.
It’s a bit of a Gish Gallop to be sure but what’s the alternative? To let Bucephalus dominate the blog with his torrent of BS and unfair, factually incorrect assertions? If they go unchallenged people reading the blog may think that, because he is not being challenged, that he is correct.
So all information is equal? I thought you were smarter than that.
Torchbearer
I apologise. I know I shouldn’t respond.
https://twitter.com/larissawaters
Only 3? 😀 Reckon I’d be downing about 50 coffees a day if I was a senator!
A linear model doesn’t fit a non-linear system. Who knew!
‘Lies, lies and damned statistics’, comes to mind.
However, what also needs to be stated is that a lot of statistical data rests upon the analysis and interpretation of those statistics, who is doing it, why they are using particular statistics, and not others, and what is their agenda?
a rsays:
Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:28 pm
I provided a link showing the data that shows there is no increasing trend. In fact the long term trend line is slightly downwards to the eye but probably not enough to be statistically significant.
C@tmommasays: Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:38 pm
It’s a bit of a Gish Gallop to be sure but what’s the alternative? To let Bucephalus dominate the blog with his torrent of BS and unfair, factually incorrect assertions? If they go unchallenged people reading the blog may think that, because he is not being challenged, that he is correct.
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The other alternative is to just simply and totally ignore what a person says ……… and to keep responding and feeding them just simply wastes your own time and gives them some sort of relevance to keep piling it on and knowing they are getting under your skin ………
ItzaDream @ #1384 Thursday, August 27th, 2020 – 1:36 pm
I would never have thought it possible, Itza. 😀
Asha leu
“Yep, because that’s why Hillary lost. She was part of the establishment. No other reason, whatsoever. Wasn’t due to her poor campaign, or low popularity, or taking the rustbelt for granted, or the emails, or any of that – she was part of the establishment, and that’s apparently all the American public care about.”
I don’t think it was as simple/simplistic at the “establishment” thing. Hillary’s cack-handed campaign, low popularity, taking the rustbelt for granted, and the emails (especially Comey’s re-opening of the investigation) all damaged her prospects. Much smarter people than I (including US polling analysts) have come to this conclusion, and have data to back it up.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/27/christchurch-shooting-mosque-gunman-sentenced-to
I am pleased Tarrant didn’t get a chance for parole. I am not a fan of the death penalty and have always opposed it, but I have to say it crossed my mind in this case.
Of course, by the time she’s eligible to run, AoC will likely have been abandoned by the far left and denounced as another establishment neo-liberal – at least, she will if she’s actually willing to do all the compromises and dirty dealing one must to effect positive change in America, which so far it seems she is.
Bernie would have been in the same boat if he had became President. Either he actually gets stuff done and passes some of his platform, in which he’s actually changed America for the better but denounced by the Bernie Bros for being a sellout, or he’d remain pure, refuse to compromise, and achieve nothing.
Nanna reckons PM 5/ 6 since 2007, Scott ‘Shouty Mchappyclap on a foundation of Bronte slogan bogan‘ Morrison, is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine!
Kakuru:
I was being very facetious there. We’re on the same page on this front.