Eden-Monaro opinion poll and other happenings

A poll by the Australia Institute finds next to nothing in it in Eden-Monaro. Also featured: still more coronavirus polling, and the status quo preserved in a Greens plebiscite on how the party leader should be chosen.

With regard to the American presidential horse race, Adrian Beaumont offers all the latest in the post below. Closer to hand:

Tom McIlroy of the Financial Review ($) reports Labor is credited with a statistically insignificant lead in poll of Eden-Monaro conducted by the Australia Institute. Based on response options that listed only party names, the poll reportedly had Labor leading 51.1-48.8 based on preference flows from 2019. No primary votes are provided in the report, but I expect to have that and other detail for you later today. A question on the most importat issue drew modest responses for both coronavirus (7.3%) and bushfire recovery (8.6%), with the agenda dominated by the economy (28.9%), climate change (23.4%) and health (14.0%). UPDATE: After exclusion of the 9.0% undecided, the primary votes are Labor 39.8%, Liberal 34.3%, Nationals 7.3%, Greens 6.7% and One Nation 6.5%. The polling was conducted by uComms.

• The Lowy Institute has a poll on the strategic implications of coronavirus, which records a general expectation that the crisis will tilt the international balance to China (37% more powerful, 36% just as powerful, 27% less powerful) at the expense of the United States (6% more powerful, 41% just as powerful, 53% less powerful) and Europe (5%, 46% and 48%). Respondents were asked if Australia and various other countries had handled the crisis well and poorly, and with the qualification that the uncommitted responses seem implausibly low, Australians consider their own country’s response (43% good, 50% fairly good, 6% fairly bad, 1% very bad) to have been well superior even to that of Singapore (23%, 56%, 15% and 3%), never mind China (6%, 25%, 25% and 44%), the United Kingdom (3%, 27%, 49% and 21%), Italy (2%, 13%, 44% and 40%) or, God forbid, the United States (2%, 8%, 27% and 63%). Respondents were slightly less favourable to the concept of globalisation than they were in a similar survey a year ago, with 70% rating it mostly good for Australia (down two) and 29% mostly bad (up five). The survey was conducted online and by telephone from April 14 to 27, from a sample of 3036.

• The results of a Greens internal referendum on giving the party membership a way in electing party leaders landed in the awkward zone between clear majority support and the two-thirds super-majority required for change. Members were presented with three head-to-head questions between each combination of two out of three options: the status quo of decision by the party room; the “one member, one vote” approach of having the matter determined entirely by the membership; and a Labor-style model where members provided half the vote and the party room the other half. The two questions inclusive of the status quo produced very similar results, with 62.0% favouring one-member one vote (3721 to 2281) and 62.6% favouring the Labor model (3510 to 2101). The Labor model recorded a narrow 3014 (50.95%) to 2902 (49.05%) win over one-member one-vote, but this would only have been operative if the favoured model recorded two-thirds support in head-to-head comparison with the status quo. According to Rob Harris of the Age/Herald, the response rate was 46% out of the party’s 13,143 eligible members.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Jaeger

    “Based of what I saw out and about today, we’ll be back in stage 3 lockdown before you know it.”

    What did you see?

  2. Fulvio Sammutsays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:25 pm

    “If the Sri Lankan Government had any evidence that the Tamils in Australia were criminals they could have brought extradition proceedings. Last I heard they were still part of the Commonwealth, and could have expected a sympathetic hearing.”

    Interesting you should say that – the same as their multiple visits back to Sri Lanka – what do they have to fear if they aren’t Tamil Tigers despite both parents families being heavily involved with the Tamil Tigers?

  3. No, just the Nadesalingam family.

    wow that is massively disgusting racist and stupid, you are a despicable human

  4. Cud Chewer

    Re the 1 case today in NZ. It is very much a “sort of” case.
    .
    Today’s confirmed case is linked to the Marist College cluster in Auckland and was identified through recent follow-up testing of the school community

    “The person first had symptoms nearly two months ago and had a previous negative test.

    “The result is considered a ‘weak positive’ and the person, who has been in isolation through the lockdown period, is not considered infectious now.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12332204

  5. WeWantPaulsays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    “The couple said past links to the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) had continued to endanger them”

    “She said Nadesalingam had held “leadership positions of the LTTE”, which would impact on her if she returned to Sri Lanka.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/what-s-next-for-the-tamil-family-fighting-to-stay-in-australia-20190904-p52o0w.html

    And that ‘s just one of many public sources confirming they were Tamil Tigers.

    Are you calling them liars?

    So, withdraw you claims of stupidity and racism because you are the one who looks like an idiot because you don’t know what you are talking about.

  6. So now you are trying to condemn on the basis of the sins of the fathers, when you don’t have any idea of what those sins, if any, are alleged to be?

    This sounds like Trump pontificating on Obama’s imaginary crimes.

  7. lizzie says:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 10:52 am

    Player One

    I honestly think that there was no conspiracy. They are simply inept. They spend so much time listening to their barrackers in Big Business that cannot think for themselves in an emergency. Then they panic and make all the wrong decisions.
    ——————————————–
    This is the impression i get from dealing with Liberal MP’s. They are easily impressed by suit wearing corporate types or business leaders because that is the world they like to be part off and it keeps them away from the dreaded lefty ideas in the public sector that many Liberals seem to believe are out to get them.

  8. ‘Bucephalus @ #221 Friday, May 15th, 2020 – 2:14 pm

    You mean like the ABC, WA Education Department, NT Government’

    Too bloody right. Theft is theft. They would have to fit new jails to fit them all in.

  9. Bucephalus @ #191 Friday, May 15th, 2020 – 1:29 pm

    Player Onesays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    “What “higher rate” is this? Many casual employees are paid at minimum wage.”

    From the Fair Work Ombudsman:

    “What is the current national minimum wage?

    The national minimum wage is currently $19.49 per hour or $740.80 per 38 hour week (before tax).

    Casual employees covered by the national minimum wage also get at least a 25% casual loading.”

    also:

    “A minimum wage is an employee’s base rate of pay for ordinary hours worked. It is generally dependent on the industrial instrument that applies to their employment. For example, a modern award or registered agreement.

    Employers and employees cannot be paid less than their applicable minimum wage, even if they agree to it.”

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/minimum-workplace-entitlements/minimum-wages

    And don’t give me this BS about all the employers not complying – that’s illegal and if they aren’t doing that then report them and get it fixed. It’s like saying the speed limit is 60 but that doesn’t apply because everyone speeds – it’s illegal.

    Fair enough. But reading a bit further about this, it turns out it is not a “fixed” 25% – it can be as low as 15%, depending on the award. However, this is just nitpicking.

    The main point is that the casual loading is supposed to be determined by comparing with others doing the same job as fulltime employees. But if your entire workforce is casual (as is the case for several of my kids) and there are in fact no “permanents” doing the same job at any wage, then claiming to be paying casuals a loading above the wage of a full-time employee is meaningless. They are in fact just paying the minimum possible wage.


  10. nath says:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    Bill Shorten loved Labour Hire companies. He did plenty of dodgy deals with them and the Labour Hire company UniBuilt donated 40k to his election campaign in 2007.

    When are you going to grow up?

  11. There is differently agency nurses in the health system and they are paid very well. The different between the health system and other sectors is nursing is highly unionist so the ANF and the agencies have a collaborative relationship.

  12. frednk @ #262 Friday, May 15th, 2020 – 2:52 pm


    nath says:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    Bill Shorten loved Labour Hire companies. He did plenty of dodgy deals with them and the Labour Hire company UniBuilt donated 40k to his election campaign in 2007.

    When are you going to grow up?

    Probably never.

  13. First Xi is working us over on the economic front.
    Now Trump is working us over on the economic front.

    Here we have yet another example of why ANZUS is dead and Trump is a dead hand when it comes to our existential security needs:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-15/trump-considering-moving-f-35-production-jobs-out-of-australia/12252384

    The sooner we tell the US to take its marines the hell out of Australia, to get its forward equipment the hell out of the NT and to close down the two spy bases, the better.

    What we are getting in return is abuse from an insane POTUS.

  14. Player One says:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    Unless your kids are doing something completely unique there would be a like for like comparison that the employer has to make.

    Off to the FWC you go.

    Good luck.

    Jesus, a lot of you on here seem to have “everything” that could possibly go wrong, go wrong. Is it a kind of reverse Lotto? Improbable but it occurred!!!!! And so often they seem to be issues where a bit of Adulting (as teenage daughter #1 calls it) would fix things.

  15. It was good to see Buce condemn wage theft and call for the jailing of the thieves.
    We agree that it is the only thing that will limit wage theft.

  16. Lars Von Trier @ #123 Friday, May 15th, 2020 – 11:59 am

    Sorry c@t, I think bucephalus is right here and your wRONg.

    L(i)ars(e), The Chief Medical Officer of Australia said on New Zealand television, rebroadcast on the ABC and commercial TV, that a cause of the NW Tasmania outbreak was an unauthorised, out of control staff party. That was a straight out, pig ignorant, stupid lie, direct from the mouth of our ‘top’ CMO.

    It is just remotely possible, in fact actually probable, since it is totally outside her remit, that the CMO in Queensland knows sfa about Nursing Homes and their staffing, let alone a particular staff member at a particular home. In other words, nobody should care a flying fuck about what you ‘think’, because you demonstrate, with everything that you post, that thinking is beyond you.

  17. Mexicanbeemersays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    It would be interesting to analyse consultancies, Directorships and ownership structures for any interrelationship between the ANF bosses and the Labour Hire Companies.

  18. C@tmomma

    “Probably never.”

    As I’ve said before, nath is like a jilted lover who can’t stop bitching about his ex.

  19. Mexicanbeemer @ #263 Friday, May 15th, 2020 – 2:53 pm

    There is differently agency nurses in the health system and they are paid very well. The different between the health system and other sectors is nursing is highly unionist so the ANF and the agencies have a collaborative relationship.

    Nurses just stood their ground with the agencies. You’ll also find that a lot of the push by the Coalition for Public Private Hospitals was to shut the ANF out of the workplace. And hasn’t the Public Private Hospital project gone well?

    Not.

  20. Bucephalus @ #271 Friday, May 15th, 2020 – 2:57 pm

    Mexicanbeemersays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    It would be interesting to analyse consultancies, Directorships and ownership structures for any interrelationship between the ANF bosses and the Labour Hire Companies.

    You’d find a stronger link between Doctor’s wives who used to be nurses and the agencies.

  21. It is time for Australia to cancel the F35 contract.
    The deal included production activity in Australia.
    If the US by way of an insane president reneges on that then the contract is void.


  22. Continually Insufferable says:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    It’s remarkably short-sighted. A really important part of the economy is going to be liquidated on arbitrary grounds. It’s a form of self-harm in an emergency….pennywise/pound foolish

    Exactly. It is one of our billion dollar industries and the Liberals have just taken a machine gun to it.
    But that is nothing, we have competent foreign minister but it amounts to nothing because we have a PM that loves the sound of his own voice.

    We didn’t look after their kids and we pissed off the powers to be. No wonder the China is pissed.

  23. boerwarsays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:54 pm

    I don’t think I am breaking any laws by telling you that Harold E Holt Naval Communications Station is not a spy base. It just talks to subs while they are under water over about half the globe.

    Trump is inside your head again.

    I’d put money on nothing changing with the F35 contract.

  24. boerwarsays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:55 pm

    If the charge of theft can be proven then do so.

    If there has been an admin stuff up (which is what has happened with most of the big high profile cases – not all) then fix it.

  25. Labor high firms in general would be in a better position if they were unionized. As it is, sooner or later they will have to be dealt with.

  26. It is remarkable that the POTUS of a so-called Ally starts ruminating publicly about breaking our second most important defence contract.
    Just like he dropped the Kurds in the merde with less than 24 hours’ notice.
    Will Morrison, Payne and Reynolds arc up against this national humiliation?
    Or will they just suck it up?

  27. Buce
    Excellent. We agree that (a) the operatives who did the nitty gritty to teal wages and Super and (b) the CEOs and (c) the boards all get jailed for their various parts in stealing billions in Super.
    Can’t say fairer than that.

  28. Yabba

    It wasn’t ‘just tv” he was appearing before their parliamentary covid 19 oversight committee. You’d think that would have made him even more cautious about anything he said.

  29. C@T
    Nurses just stood their ground with the agencies. You’ll also find that a lot of the push by the Coalition for Public Private Hospitals was to shut the ANF out of the workplace. And hasn’t the Public Private Hospital project gone well?
    —————————————–
    Maybe Victoria is different to NSW but any visitor to a hospital ward either public or private will be greeted by ANF information around or near the nurses station.

    Its been a few years since visiting a hospital ward but i doubt it would have changed but the reason for this is the legacy of 1986 when the union brought the then government to its knees something no state government has wanted repeated.

  30. frednksays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    ” It is one of our billion dollar industries and the Liberals have just taken a machine gun to it.”

    You would be right if there was some sort of entitlement detailed in their Visas, but there isn’t and they know that.

    I’m interested to know – are there Australians overseas on temporary visas in countries where they aren’t entitled to welfare and those countries are paying it to them?

    Future International Students will realise that this is a once off type event. They will continue to come here in the future because our Universities have what they want – well respected Australian University Degrees. It’s like our high quality Iron Ore and Coal – where else are they going to get it for the same or better price?

  31. There are limits to how long you can keep people on casual rates, for sure there are now exotic structures to get around that and they should be dealt with.

    I will add if you have full time work, full time employment is a better financial deal for the employer then casual rates. The difference is the employee gets security ( and as has been pointed out that has value) and the employer takes on risk.

  32. Westpac has admitted it broke the law 23 million times and could have kept a closer watch on a dozen customers the regulator suspected were paedophiles in a document filed in Federal Court on Friday afternoon.

    The bank has also admitted its reporting and record keeping of international transactions were simply not good enough and accepted that reports had been destroyed, filed years late and in some cases not filed at all.

    But the bank denies it did not have a compliant Anti-Money Laundering and Counter-Terrorism Financing Program in place at all times, rejecting the allegation it broke the relevant section of the law every time it performed a transaction, citing its “three lines of defence” model.

    A spokesman for the bank said it would continue to work closely with the financial intelligence regulator AUSTRAC to find common ground over the matter.

    “Westpac acknowledges that financial crime is a serious threat to society and is determined to continue to lift its standards and meet its anti-money laundering and other financial crime obligations,” the spokesman said.

    The admissions are contained in a defence to a case brought against the bank by financial intelligence regulator AUSTRAC on November 20, 2019 which features a theoretical penalty of between $391 trillion and $483 trillion.

    The penalty is unlikely to be anywhere near this figure however with rival bank CBA agreeing to a record breaking $702 million settlement in 2018 for breaches which carried a maximum theoretical penalty of $1 trillion. Westpac made provisions of $900 million to settle the case last month.

  33. Frednk
    The real problem with labour hire or recruitment agencies is the use of young foreign born consultants that see it as a path to permanent residency with most of them having no experience or qualifications in the industry they recruit for.


  34. Bucephalus says:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:10 pm

    frednksays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    ” It is one of our billion dollar industries and the Liberals have just taken a machine gun to it.”

    You would be right if there was some sort of entitlement detailed in their Visas, but there isn’t and they know that.

    I’m interested to know – are there Australians overseas on temporary visas in countries where they aren’t entitled to welfare and those countries are paying it to them?

    Future International Students will realise that this is a once off type event. They will continue to come here in the future because our Universities have what they want – well respected Australian University Degrees. It’s like our high quality Iron Ore and Coal – where else are they going to get it for the same or better price?

    You have written in great detail why the opportunity was missed. No comprehension of investing for the future, nothing more than a dollar today. A very sad indictment of what the liberal have become.

  35. boerwarsays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:05 pm

    I fully support the rule of law.

    Your problem here (much the same as your claims of Federal LNP corruption) is that there’s no case to answer. It’ s been a while since I proscuted a case but my memory tells me that you had elements of proof that needed to be made in order for there to be guilt. Haven’t seen anything formal on that anywhere yet apart from the FWC on a few clear cases of fraud like the 7/11 case.

    I look forward to seeing you splashed all over the national media as the next Dennis Denuto taking down all the big game.

  36. Holdenhillbillysays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    Apparently PayPal are now inthe gun for the same stuff.

    My question has always been – what was the Regulator doing to allow such huge numbers of instances accumulate?

  37. Guardian

    Shocking foodlines continue across Australia for international students – who have lost jobs but cannot access jobkeeper, jobseeker, youth allowance or other support.


  38. Bucephalus says:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    Holdenhillbillysays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    Apparently PayPal are now inthe gun for the same stuff.

    My question has always been – what was the Regulator doing to allow such huge numbers of instances accumulate?

    Good question; more interested in screwing unions than doing their job is my answer.

  39. Mark Kenny
    @markgkenny
    ·
    1m
    ANU has established staff and student urgent relief funds during Covid crisis. And the VC Brian Schmidt has donated some of his own LSL to it. That’s leadership.
    @cosmicpinot
    Kudos also @MatthewColless

  40. frednk:

    Bucephalus

    Labor hire firms offer two advantages.
    1) Illegality is removed from your business. To claim labor hire firms are all as pure as driven snow is a nonsense. Some of the stuff that goes on is sickening.

    2)You don’t have to deal with the kindergarten.

    The disadvantage, you not part of the kindergarten and the kids could not care less about your business.

    Labour hire companies are yet another “industry” created by the Liberal party, whose speciality is the misuse of state power to create whole industries that would never naturally arise from any market.

    That they are hypocritical in claiming to be supporters of the “free market” whilst routinely perpetrating this kind of anti-market crap is par for the course – there is no natural limit to hypocrisy (irrespective of its source)

    In fact what is happening here is that productive companies and productive workers are subsidising this rubbish, which is no benefit to anyone excepting mendicant middle manager incapable of productive activity. The mendacity of these people outstrips even their mendicancy – useless at anything, they partake in Liberal party patronage machine whilst claiming to be “lifters not leaners”

    The fact that “the left” and some parts of the ALP appear unable to distinguish this sort of rubbish, and accept the lies of the Liberal party that it has got something to do with the operation of “the free market” is greatly to their discredit (perhaps they are just idiots) and greatly inhibits any ability they might otherwise have to achieve anything at all.

  41. Future International Students will realise that this is a once off type event. They will continue to come here in the future because

    The International Student market would be largely driven off of brand, and the ‘brand’ of the country would certainly figure in that. Academic excellence (if such still applies to Australian universities) would feed into the brand perception, but so would negative context stuff like racial attacks on students, as one example, or in this case “how did that country treat our children when they were in need?”

    In this case it’s “bugger off if you can, but we’re not helping you”.

    That would seem to me to be quite toxic to the ‘brand’ if what you were looking for was long term health in the tertiary education industry.

  42. frednksays:
    Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    “You have written in great detail why the opportunity was missed. No comprehension of investing for the future, nothing more than a dollar today. ”

    Perhaps you could do a few calcs on how much you want to spend and then make a case for a return on the investment and tell us how you would sell it to the Voters.

    Strangely the ALP hasn’t called for anything. I wonder why?

    The Greens have but they are irrelevant hypocrites that the voters who matter don’t care about.

  43. Bucephalus
    That raises an important point but this touches on the problem with Liberals that see the regulator as red tape. Some of it is excessive but in many cases that red tape has a real purpose.

  44. Meanwhiles…………….
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    .
    3m ago 06:17

    Shocking foodlines continue across Australia for international students – who have lost jobs but cannot access jobkeeper, jobseeker, youth allowance or other support.

    Luke Henriques-Gomes
    (@lukehgomes)
    Weeraphan, who is helping coordinate free meals through Sydney’s Thai restaurants, sent me these photos of international students queuing round the block pic.twitter.com/XcuxCStayJ
    https://t.co/XcuxCStayJ

    May 15, 2020

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