The usual weekly Essential Research coronavirus poll finds “only a quarter” of respondents now consider it too soon to be easing coronavirus restrictions, down from a peak of 49% in mid-April. There was also strong support for a range of fresh restrictions being imposed if there is a new surge of cases, but not for making the coronavirus app compulsory, which only 38% supported. Only 45% were confident the government would be able to adequately protect data from the app, and 44% were confident the government itself would not misuse it. Kristina Keneally’s call for a reduction in temporary migration after the pandemic had the support of 67% of respondents. All this detail is derived from The Guardian, which also tells us that the number of respondents who are “quite concerned” about the virus is up three points since last week to 49%, but without the “very concerned” figure it’s hard to know what if anything to make of that. The full report from the pollster should be published later today.
UPDATE: Full report here. The government reaches new heights on the eighth weekly iteration of the question as to how well it is handling the crisis, with good up five points to 71% and poor down one to 13%. The goodwill extends to state governments, who are collectively up three on good to 73% and steady on poor at 12%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1067.
Victoria @ #1650 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 3:43 pm
As long as I and those close to me are vaccinated, the nutters are free to eliminate themselves AFAIC.
Rakali’s shout
Not as funny as the crocodile tears of Adam Bandt after vote fiasco.
“About 62 per cent of members voted for the 50/50 model against 38 per cent for the current model, and when asked to pick between one member one vote and the 50/50 model, the votes were split 49 per cent to 51 per cent.
Greens leader Adam Bandt said he had publicly supported greater membership involvement in the selection of leader, but the threshold for change had not been reached”.
Thank you shellbell. 🙂
It seems the questions Shorten has to answer are in relation to donations to Getup and to his own election campaign in 2007 when running for Maribyrnong. I think all up the figures are around a couple of hundred thousand.
Getup aside. I’m not sure how it can be argued that the money of workers should be donated by a union official to his own election campaign.
Rakali
That’s one way of looking at it. Lol
nath @ #1642 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 3:39 pm
Ok, Mundo will bite.
Who is Bill Shorten?
Rex Douglas says: Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 3:15 pm
Fitzgibbon and Katter should take the hint and just quietly depart politics.
And give up all that filthy lucre and bonuses and more money so generously supplied by the taxpayers whether they want to pay it or not?
Bad news for the neo-liberal nasties and their “herd” immunity con.
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Bandt got the roundup out and sprayed ” the grassroots democracy at its finest “.
He relaxed with an uplifting cuppa of homegrown peppermint tea afterwards, it was reported.
frednksays:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 3:22 pm
“Unconstrained capitalism self destroys.”
“It’s only 16 minutes. Please comment on this.”
I watched it. He didn’t mentioned Unconstrained Capitalism once. In fact he made the observation multiple times that wealth (a proxy for your “Unconstrained Capitalism”) was uncorrelated with the problems they graphed.
It was focused on Inequality. While it made a passing reference to correlation not being causation it did very little to explain the causation of the issues that were graphed.
Greensborough Growlersays:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 3:34 pm
“Buce,
So you admit you got your facts wrong!”
No, it was a typo that I picked up immediately upon reading.
Watchdog applies to reopen Bill Shorten AWU probe
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/watchdog-applies-to-reopen-bill-shorten-awu-probe/news-story/bacaeabd192a60888599ff48e2a39eab
Would Adam Bandt win a grassroots vote as leader?
We will never know. The inner cabal have it all stitched up.
Would all members of the AWU have voted in a secret ballot to authorise such a donation?
Sorry to disappoint nath
Didn’t The federal court ruled that the roc acted illegally to attain evidence against Shorten
Peg, that is an entirely disingenuous quote.
Workers of Australia, especially the AWU, have benefitted greatly by their union leaders gaining representation in Parliament.
Always seems to happen when there is bad news for the libs/nats, for the economy and with their rorts being called out
Newsltd has to spread propaganda with the out of date get Shorten
Reason why newsltd and the pro coalition media can do this
Is courtesy of the greens, who for some insane reason along with Tony Windsor , Rob oakshott and other independents to protect the corrupt behaviour in Newsltd and the rest of the media
Anne Aly really is over rated. Putting in a piss weak performance on the ABC right now. Inarticulate and agreeing with the talking points of Zimmerman and completely squibbed the New Start issue. She is fucking hopeless.
It time for those in Labor to stand up to the foreign media own newsltd and expose the links with the, newsltd and IPA who is the propaganda arm of the liberal and national party
I was thinking that there is a nice symmetry between the Rudd government response to the GFC and the Morrison government response to the Covid19 pandemic. In the GFC the Rudd stimulus was $52 billion , and three lives were lost to electrocutions in the home insulation scandal, if you want to blame the Rudd government for them.
By comparison, Scomo’s Covid 19 support package is estimated to cost at least $320 billion, over six times more costly than the Rudd-Swan stimulus. Meanwhile the death toll from the Ruby Princess scandal is up to 22, also about seven times more costly than the pink bats saga. So Scomo and Josh are “winners” over Rudd and Swan on both measures. Dutton probably deserves credit too.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/coronavirus-data-stimulus-spending-dwarfs-gfc-chart/12115518
and
https://treasury.gov.au/coronavirus
I just saw the crocodile tears for the newly unemployed from Scrote and Joshy! I guess it costs them nothing to do it, so why not pretend they care?
Rakali
I’m a little skeptical of that 5% figure. A lot of antibody tests have the problem of testing positive to previous infections of related viruses. That 5% would predict 2.35 million actual infections. Yet the official count is 271,000. I’m straining to believe that only the most critical 12% got tested when typically 30% of cases are ill enough to want to get help. Maybe it is that bad. Maybe the truth is in between. However if you consider the official death toll – 10% of cases and this can only rise, plus under-reported deaths, its quite possible that the 2.35 million figure isn’t far wrong.
However what you say is true. Spain is nowhere near “herd immunity”. I think there are possibly three countries that will vie for that title… Russia, Brazil and the US. All run by pathological liars.
“I just saw the crocodile tears for the newly unemployed from Scrote and Joshy! ”
I heard this and it made me wince and then feel sick.
I see Buce has failed to correct the record about the Victorian Labor Red T-shirts (doesn’t sound half as nefarious as ‘Red Shirts’, does it?). They were exonerated in a court of law.
Scott’s going to start the revolution, apparently.
Who knew that the IPA was so powerful? They’re pretty shit at getting any of their policies enacted. Last time I checked there was a shopping list with about 100 items on it.
clem attlee @ #1667 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 4:16 pm
One could be forgiven for thinking Labor just doesn’t really want to be in government again.
sprocket
Coming from someone who blatantly lies…..thanks for the laugh.
nath posted an opinion. I asked a question. Shoot me.
Your response is pure deflection and a tad disingenuous.
I asked a simple question. So, what’s the answer to my question?
Cud Chewer @ #1672 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 4:22 pm
Look away when the next polling comes out or you’ll throw up.
Cud Chewer @ #1674 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 4:22 pm
It’s good enough to convince the journos though. They swallow it hook, line and sinker.
What makes me feel really angry though is seeing Gladys Berejiklian blithely dismiss with a wave of the hand the children and teachers who are contracting COVID-19. She has basically said today, Whatevs! Shit happens and it will likely happen again. I’m not fussed enough to do anything about it.
C@tmomma says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 4:22 pm
The ABC called them Red Shirts and there was no exoneration in any court.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11603076
Well they wont be, if they continue to preselect hopeless duds like Aly. She just sat there agreeing with Zimmerman.
This is unequivocally untrue. And needs some context.
The Ellenbrook development is a joint venture between the Govt and some private interests, it was approved and commenced under the LNP. The opening ceremony plaque is an LNP minister.
Leading up to the 2008 election, where Team Carpenter voluntarily handed power to the LNP with a mix of arrogance and stupidity not often matched in Australian politics, the member for Swan Hills advocated for the rail to Ellenbrook.
Alannah MacTeirnan publicly swatted the member down and noted that Ellenbrook was built in a stupid place and claimed there was no business case for the rail.
The local member was involved in a failed attempt to move from the marginal swan hills to the safe west swan but was denied by Team Carpenter who installed the current member and the minister now responsible for the Ellenbrook rail.
Team Carpenter installed a Legislative Council member all but certain to loose their seat as the candidate for the marginal seat of Swan Hills, with Ellenbrook at its heart. It wasn’t clear the candidate could even find their way into Ellenbrook. The Libs ran perhaps the least capable Councillor on the City of Swan, when all the capable candidates expected the very popular incumbent to run and underestimated the ability of Carpenter to pull a big loss from the jaws of all but certain victory in Swan Hills and more broadly.
Having messed around with preselection and then calling an early election Team Carpenter had to help their candidate parachute Legislative Council refugee find Ellenbrook and they rolled out a strategy where the train promise was supposed to overcome the fact that the candidate was well suited to the Legislative Council and less so to a marginal Assembly seat.
Barnett from opposition unequivocally matched the train commitment (I personally heard it live on radio), in all but timing. If Carpenter was to go on and win they needed to complete the rail in the term of Government, Barnett gave himself a little more time, but it was clear construction would commence before the next election.
At polling booths in Ellenbrook on election day, every single Lib sign and poster had a picture of a train on it. Completing the metaphor the train wreck that was Carpenter was derailed that evening, the terrible Lib candidate took Swans Hills rather than the terrible ALP candidate, and the Libs took power having unequivocally promised the Ellenbrook train with construction to commence in that term of Govt. No talk of business case, no conditionality, just an unequivocal promise.
Barnett got to the GFC and with a local member who was inept at best felt he’d get away with breaking the train promise the GFC meant he couldn’t afford it. Sources close to the inept local member suggest the decision to breach the commitment had been made either before the election or very soon after, but the GFC was, Barnett felt sufficient cover to to break his promise out loud.
The inept local member was returned as the member for Swan Hills, in the following election, the metro net 1 election notwithstanding this major breach of faith, in a contest where he literally didn’t participate publicly. A previous liberal candidate for Swan Hills, who had campaigned ferociously and constantly but lost, was said to have spoken to even one in the electorate twice and lost votes every time he spoke to anyone. On this occassion ‘running away and hiding’ was the correct strategy.
I am sure it isn’t general knowledge, and it was never published but I was enough of a pest to know that a model of potential rail links to Ellenbrook (as planned) had been done by planning and infrastructure under the Gallop / Carpenter Govt and it had found there was not a sufficient business case for the rail link. This no doubt was Alannah’s ammunition for mocking the then member for Swan Hills when she campaigned for it.
The current successful business case for the rail ironically is not founded in the Ellenbrook population at all. Although if you look on a map the Ellenbrook town centre is heavily skewed to the west side of the development and is very close to the new extension of Tonkin Highway past the Western Side of Ellenbrook up to Muchea. Any business case for Ellenbrook that doesn’t consider the need for a large ‘West Ellenbrook’ and the potential for a greater Ellenbrook – Bullsbrook development to the north, including a possible industrial centre is a very badly designed business case. But as the Minister has said publicly in town hall meetings the anchor for the successful Ellenbrook Rail business case is the Malaga – Ballajura station. It is also worth remembering the infill along the rail route between Ellenbrook and southern boundary of Whiteman Park, that will be served by the line.
In essence it is currently a no brainer.
mundo
I’m well aware that there are a lot of ill-informed, shallow, selfish and stupid voters.
So watcha gonna do about it?
BREAKING: Sth Australia earthquake – reports of widespread improvements coming in…
Sorry two big differences of course between the GFC and Covid 19 responses. Rudd and Swan avoided a recession, and stopped unemployment going up within six months. Scomo won’t get his chance to shine in those respects before another lot of quarterly stats come out in three months time.
Anyone taking bets on where Josh Frydenbeg will be on Wednesday 2 September, when the June Quarter national accounts are due out, and we can see if the Liberal government manages to avoid two quarters in a row of contraction? Home isolation? Sore throat?
Bucephalus says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 4:23 pm
Who knew that the IPA was so powerful? They’re pretty shit at getting any of their policies enacted. Last time I checked there was a shopping list with about 100 items on it.
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There are IPA liberal party members who are members of both houses parliament , there are newsltd hacks who are members of the IPA .
Liberal party prime ministers are special guests of Murdoch and IPA
4.2 mag quake at Burra in SA.
There is no threat of a tsunami 🙂
clem attlee says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 4:26 pm
“Well they wont be, if they continue to preselect hopeless duds like Aly.“
You can’t expect too much from Aly – she did start out as a Greens Candidate until they unloaded her on the ALP.
Bucephalus says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 4:02 pm
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It was focused on Inequality. While it made a passing reference to correlation not being causation it did very little to explain the causation of the issues that were graphed.
It is an unrelated question trying to work out where you are coming from, do you agree with the argument being put, that a unequal society is worse?
I am trying to understand if you have any belief in humanity or if it is self all the way.
sprocket_
says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 4:15 pm
Peg, that is an entirely disingenuous quote.
Workers of Australia, especially the AWU, have benefitted greatly by their union leaders gaining representation in Parliament.
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The AWU already give the ALP large sums of money to elect candidates. These separate donations were to help elect particular candidates, including the union official making the donations. The donations were given to people that he wanted to receive them, so that they would be beholden to him for them, and to elect himself. It was just another way that Bill Shorten sought to advantage himself and build HIS power base in the ALP through the money of workers. Shame it was all for nothing. Not.
There is beyond reasonable doubt evidence of the liberal and national partys are controlled by corrupt foreign own identities such as IPA ,foreign media tycoon Murdoch
Why don’t Labor members find guts and go after these bastards
“What makes me feel really angry though is seeing Gladys Berejiklian blithely dismiss with a wave of the hand the children and teachers who are contracting COVID-19. She has basically said today, Whatevs! Shit happens and it will likely happen again. I’m not fussed enough to do anything about it.”
Yes her attitude is annoying me. And I suspect some of it comes from her “expert” advice. She was also complaining about the lack of interstate travel even joking that there’d be travel to NZ before QLD. I mean, seriously?
My experience in dealing with Gladys over things like high speed rail is that she’s been captured by the bureaucracy. Trusting poor advice. I think its the same with the “experts” telling her that you can’t eliminate the virus and thus she’s accepted that “shit happens”. I hope that reality mugs her in the nicest way (meaning the other states get to elimination and so does NZ and she has to deal with that).
Scott says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 4:29 pm
Which just highlights further how poor they are at getting their agenda Legislated.
Now do the ALP and all their links with GetUp and the Unions.
How the fluck could this pass any ethics test for an experiment ???
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Dozens of NHS staff allowed to keep working after testing positive for coronavirus in scientific trial
More than 40 NHS staff tested positive yet none were told they had virus and they have still not been informed
Since the end of March, a team from Barts Health NHS Trust, University College London and Queen Mary University of London has carried out weekly tests on 400 doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers to learn more about the virus and calculate the number of asymptomatic carriers.
During that time, 44 members of NHS staff tested positive, yet none were told they had the virus and they have still not been
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/13/dozens-nhs-staff-allowed-keep-working-testing-positive-coronavirus/
Scott says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 4:32 pm
Probably because the IPA isn’t foreign owned.
Buce
Yes she did…
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/13/anne-aly-i-cant-control-how-people-are-going-to-see-me
It’s always an easier road to being elected running for the major political parties.
How does not telling them impact their experimental design? I’d say not at all.
I’m sensing first year Uni just joined either the Uni ALP club or possibly even Socialist Alliance or whatever it’s called these days.
The current Labor party leaders are media appeasers , notice when newsltd feels threaten of a Labor leader who is willing to try and take newsltd and other pro coalition media on.
Newsltd go on a throw the kitchen sink at them propaganda
examples Julia Gillard and Bill Shorten