Six states’ Democratic primaries: live commentary

Joe Biden is very likely to win the Democratic nomination, with Sanders needing big breaks in today’s primaries. Guest post by Adrian Beaumont

11:50am Nate Silver on Washington’s count

11:40am In Mississippi, Sanders has 14.8% with all precincts in.  Mississippi has a large provisional vote, so Sanders may exceed the 15% threshold for statewide delegates once those votes are tallied.  Biden won every single county in the three M states.

11:32am However, there’s bad news for Sanders in Washington State.  The latest votes put Biden ahead by 34.8% to 33.5%, reversing a 0.2% Sanders lead in yesterday’s counting.  Dave Wasserman has called Washington for Biden.  Washington appeared demographically friendly to Sanders, and he may not be able to win another state-run primary.  There are few delegates to be decided by party-run primaries and caucuses.

11:24am Thursday In good news for Sanders, he’s the winner in North Dakota by a 53-40 margin.  ND was a party-run primary, not state-run.  There were only 14 polling places for the whole state, and just 14,400 votes total.  Left-wing activists are more likely to make up a greater share of turnout in such low-turnout affairs.

4:00pm Idaho CALLED for Biden.  He currently leads by 48-42 with 74% in.

3:53pm If Sanders stays in, next Tuesday is likely to be brutal for him.  Four big states vote: Florida, Ohio, Illinois and Arizona.  Given Biden’s dominance everywhere in Michigan, he is likely to crush Sanders.  14.5% of delegates will be awarded next Tuesday, taking us to 61.5% of all pledged delegates.

3:49pm In the delegate count at The Green Papers, Biden now leads Sanders by 845 to 706.  Overall popular votes are 37.6% Biden, 30.1% Sanders.

3:44pm With 68% reporting in Idaho, Biden leads by 47-42.  The bottom line, no matter what happens in Washington’s late counting, Idaho or North Dakota, is that Biden is dominating with black voters and both higher-educated and lower-educated whites.  Biden will clearly be the Democratic nominee to face Trump in November.

3:30pm With 22% reporting in North Dakota, Sanders leads Biden by 45-34.  But there are only 14 delegates in this small, strongly Republican state.

3:18pm With 50% reporting in Idaho, Biden leads Sanders by 47-41.

2:57pm Biden has won every county in Mississippi and Missouri, and is barely losing two counties in Michigan.  In the 2016 contest against Hillary Clinton, Sanders dominated in rural areas where there were many lower-educated whites.  Not against Biden.

2:50pm In Mississippi, Sanders’ vote has dropped to 14.9% with 97% in.  If his vote stays at that level, he will miss the 15% delegate threshold for statewide delegates.

2:48pm With all counties reporting initial postal votes in Washington, Sanders leads by just 0.2%, 32.7-32.5.  Many of these votes were cast when other candidates were still in.  I don’t think we will get the remaining votes today; we’ll have to wait a week or two for them to come in.

2:16pm In the first results from Idaho, Biden leads by 43-33.

2:14pm Washington uses an all-postal ballot.  Votes that arrive before election day are tallied as soon as polls close.  With an estimated 64% reporting, Sanders and Biden are tied at 32.8% each.

1:52pm Meanwhile in California, Sanders’ lead has dropped to 6.7% today from 7.0% yesterday and 9% on election night last week.

1:38pm Some good news for Sanders: the North Dakota postal vote has him winning by 40-26 over Biden, but Biden is likely to gain when election day votes report.  Meanwhile, Biden leads by 53-39 in Michigan (55% in), 59-34 in Missouri (66% in) and 81-15 in Mississippi (77% in).  If Sanders does not reach 15% in Mississippi, he will not qualify for statewide delegates.

12:17pm Biden is leading by 54-28 in Missouri with 6% reporting.  There’s a large vote for candidates who have dropped out, which should drop as more election day votes are counted.

12:06pm With all polls now closed in Michigan, and Biden 12 points up without much from Detroit (Wayne county), Michigan has been CALLED for Biden.

11:50am With 3% reporting in Mississippi, Biden has an 83-13 lead.  Most of what’s been counted is likely postal votes, which skew to Biden, but that’s a massive margin.

11:46am CNN analyst Harry Enten

11:43am Biden still leading by ten points in Michigan with 10% reporting.  Twitter commentary suggests Sanders is losing white lower-educated precincts that he won against Clinton in 2016.

11:27am Biden leads by 54.4-41.4 in Michigan with 4% reporting.

11:20am Biden leads by 85-11 in the first Mississippi results.

11:13am Remember that Democratic delegates are awarded proportionally with a 15% threshold.  So margins of victory matter, not just winning a state.  A massive win for Biden in Mississippi will earn him many delegates.

11:07am Based on exit polls, Mississippi and Missouri have been CALLED for Biden.

10:42am Wednesday Polls close at 11am AEDT in Missouri, Mississippi and North Dakota.  Michigan has two time zones, with the majority closing at 11am, while the western bit closes at 12pm.  Idaho and Washington close at 2pm.

Guest post by Adrian Beaumont, who joins us from time to time to provide commentary on elections internationally. Adrian is an honorary associate at the University of Melbourne. His work on electoral matters for The Conversation can be found here, and his own website is here.

Democratic primaries will be held today in Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and Washington State. The result will determine 352 of the 3,979 total pledged delegates (9% of the total). Michigan (125 delegates) and Washington (89) are the two biggest states voting. Polls close Wednesday between 11am and 2pm AEDT.

Last Tuesday, Joe Biden won ten states to four for Bernie Sanders. In the next two days, the two remaining contenders, Mike Bloomberg and Elizabeth Warren, withdrew, leaving a two-candidate contest for the remaining delegates. Biden dominated the south, but also had surprise wins in Minnesota, Massachusetts and Maine.

The delegate count at The Green Papers gives Biden a 681 to 608 lead over Sanders, but this understates Biden’s advantage. Sanders has an advantage with left-wing Democrats and Latinos, but most of the southwestern states, where Latinos have a relatively high share of the population, have now voted.

In 2016, Sanders benefited from lower-educated white voters aversion to Hillary Clinton, something Donald Trump exploited in the general election. However, the Minnesota county results show that Biden performed well in rural regions, helping him to a nine-point statewide win. This implies that Biden has a greater appeal than Clinton to lower-educated whites.

Biden is winning black voters by massive margins, and he is winning both higher-educated and lower-educated whites. There are few states with a significant Latino population left. An exception is Florida, which votes with three other large states next Tuesday. However, Florida’s Latinos are far more conservative than Latinos in the southwest owing to the Cuban Americans. Florida is also demographically elderly. Florida polls have Biden crushing Sanders.

Biden leads Sanders by 51-35 in the RealClearPolitics national average in polls conducted since last Tuesday. Biden leads Sanders by 22 points in Michigan, and has a small lead in Washington, which should be Sanders’ strongest of the six states. In 2016, Sanders defeated Clinton in Michigan after a massive polling error, but he was performing much better then with lower-educated whites.

There’s also bad news for Sanders from California’s late counting, where his lead over Biden has been reduced from nine points on election night to seven. Late counting in California usually skews left, but many moderates did not vote early, withholding their vote until they knew Biden was the moderate candidate.

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  1. biden & sanders will face off in a one on one debate in front a national t.v. audience.

    following that televised debate, people in states that haven’t voted yet will have their say.

    why are the joe-joes so keen to deny these people a vote after they will have seen biden & sanders in a one on one debate?

    are they worried about something ?
    -a.v.

  2. av

    ‘why are the joe-joes so keen to deny these people a vote after they will have seen biden & sanders in a one on one debate?

    are they worried ? -a.v.’

    Yep. I’m very worried that Sanders and his supporters will wreck the joint while they are losing. They have form. They are Nader redux. They will try to do to Biden what they did to Clinton. I am genuinely worried that neither Sanders nor his supporters appear to give a toss about Trump winning if they can’t.

  3. AE – I agree with you that the old men with high name recognition have squeezed out several better candidates, and neither Sanders nor Biden should have run, and left the field open to a younger generation. Still, it is what it is, and in the end, Biden was the only plausibly viable candidate to see off Sanders by the time South Carolina and Super Tuesday rolled around.

    I don’t agree, though, that this will lead to an enthusiasm problem for the Democrats in November. All the evidence so far suggests that Democrats and moderates are so desperate to send the orange one packing that they will turn up and vote for anyone with a (D) next to their name. We have seen this in this primary campaign, in any number of special elections over the last few years, and in the 2018 mid-terms. The fact that Biden is, in the final analysis, something of a vanilla candidate with some claim to basic decency and competence may well be enough this year.

  4. I still have serious doubts that people are going to be less motivated against Trump after 4 years of flat incompetence and grift, or by the same token that more people will be motivated to vote against Biden than against Hillary.

    And to the extent you can discern a pattern from polling and turnout, the opposite will be the case.

  5. Give it a rest Boerwar, because you are completely full of shit.

    Can’t wait for you centrist ghouls to die already so that we can have actual progressive (note, progressive, not communist, not “far left”, but progressive, social democratic) policy coming from the so-called “centre left” again.

  6. AV – For what it’s worth, I think Sanders is within his rights to remain in the race until the end of the month, at least. However, if the results today and next week go as badly for him as the polling suggests, then I can’t see that he has any option but to gracefully drop out. There will likely be no path towards to nomination for him by then, and even his claim that he is fighting for a “movement” becomes a bit redundant – he’d actually be weakening his so-called movement by staying in. The only purpose that he’ll serve is to inflict damage on the Democratic Party nominee, to the benefit of the Donald. But I’m personally comfortable with him staying in for the next few weeks, if only because it’s probably useful to test Biden out in a one-on-one contest.

  7. ‘MH says:
    Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 9:42 am

    Give it a rest Boerwar, because you are completely full of shit.

    Can’t wait for you centrist ghouls to die already so that we can have actual progressive (note, progressive, not communist, not “far left”, but progressive, social democratic) policy coming from the so-called “centre left” again.’

    Typical Bernie Bros hate mail and I am quite pleased you are dropping your guts like this because you are displaying exactly the sort of intolerant, toxic, noxious and abusive personal loathing that has kept Warren (quite rightly) from publicly endorsing Sanders and from promising her delegates to Sanders.

    Sanders is displaying a sad lack of managerial competence that he continues to allow this sort of vile, self-indulgent and personal hate mail to be spewed out on his behalf.

    I would encourage you to keep it up because you are driving reasonable people towards Biden but my view is that the world would be a better place with a lot less of what you are serving up.

  8. MH – charming. Proving EXACTLY why your brand of politics is a failure: can’t work with folk who have even slightly different views. Therefore can’t engage with voters who are in the centre. Representative of a rump of the entire population.

  9. alfred venison @ #102 Wednesday, March 11th, 2020 – 9:27 am

    biden & sanders will face off in a one on one debate in front a national t.v. audience.

    following that televised debate, people in states that haven’t voted yet will have their say.

    why are the joe-joes so keen to deny these people a vote after they will have seen biden & sanders in a one on one debate?

    are they worried about something ?
    -a.v.

    They urgently want Biden to become the presumptive nominee before the ‘cognitive decline’ thing builds up too much steam. They’ve put all their eggs in one basket. I don’t understand their concern, he’s simply running for US President, it’s not like it’s a demanding role that requires the best applicant performing entirely on top of their game.

  10. Reminder that most Bernie supporters are good people, some of whom might die without healthcare, yet who will vote Democrat regardless of who wins the primary, despite the toxicity and derision directed towards their movement. Stop making juvenile generalisations based on a few idiots online

  11. Bonza @ #113 Wednesday, March 11th, 2020 – 10:05 am

    Reminder that most Bernie supporters are good people, some of whom might die without healthcare, yet who will vote Democrat regardless of who wins the primary, despite the toxicity and derision directed towards their movement. Stop making juvenile generalisations based on a few idiots online

    Well said, Bonza.

  12. One of the problems the Dems are going to have is that Trump hasn’t done as badly as expected. Yes, he appears to be a corrupt, vainglorious orange but he hasn’t actually started WW3 or yet caused a collapse in the US economy.

    If, and it’s a big if, the US middle class is relatively unscathed by Covid19, that might be enough for the uncommitted voters to not bother.

  13. “Bonzasays:
    Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 10:05 am
    Reminder that most Bernie supporters are good people….”

    As are most of the Biden supporters. And dare I say it, as are most of the Trump supporters.

  14. You know, if Sanders didn’t want to be considered part of the “extreme left”, perhaps he shouldn’t praising brutal authoritarian far-left regimes or repeatedly calling himself a socialist during a US presidential election. That’s the thing that increasingly shits me about him – he just makes things harder for himself. Yes, on paper, most of his platform honestly isn’t *that* extreme – it’s certainly a far cry from socialism – but Sanders and his bros, with all their talk of socialism and revolutions and how the generally centre-left Democratic establishment is actually comprised of dirty neo-liberals, have made it so easy for the right to paint it as exactly that.

  15. “praising brutal authoritarian far-left regimes”
    Obama said literally the same thing. Learn nuance

    “calling himself a socialist during a US presidential election”
    I agree, it might have been more useful to just label himself as FDR 2.0 or something to that effect

    “and his bros”
    Not a real thing, but a corporate media concoction. Don’t fall for it

    “the generally centre-left Democratic establishment is actually comprised of dirty neo-liberals”
    Seen Biden’s leaked cabinet picks? And his talk of vetoing medicare for all?

    Of course Biden would be easily preferable to Trump, even if only for the sake of the Supreme Court, and doing the bare minimum on climate change. But the primary is still playing out.

  16. Not long now until we get some actual results to obsess about, with MS, MO & ND polls all closing at 11am AEDT, and MI at midday. Mississippi is likely to be bloodbath for Sanders, with the heavily African-American Democratic electorate all but certain to break heavily for Biden, following the lead of similar communities in South Carolina and across the South. Polling in Missouri suggests a similar outcome, though from memory, Bernie did well there in 2016. North Dakota should be closer, but we haven’t seen much polling there (though not many delegates up for grabs there anyway).

  17. I’m starting to rather regret the snarky jokes I’ve made about Biden’s brain-farts in the past. For what its worth, I don’t think he’s undergoing any kind of “cognitive decline.” He’s always had a tendency to stumble over his words and say dumb things when speaking off the cuff – I imagine its a combination of his stutter and lack of a filter. Its just that the more he visibly ages, the more it starts to bring to look like something more troubling.

    Unfortunately, the Trump campaign have clearly realized this is very fertile ground for attack, especially since the useful idiots in the Bernie camp (and delusional perennials like Stein) have proved very happy to assist the Republicans on this one. I guess time will tell how much traction it actually finds.

  18. Some here are living in a dream world where there is going to be some sort of moderate tidal wave that sweeps Trump away. Where Democrats will unite with so-called moderate Republicans, join hands and support Obama’s former Vice President, who is clearly in a state of decline. In the real world, Trump has not lost a shred of his base. In the real world, polls consistently show that there is very little disapproval of Trump among Republican voters. That’s before we even start on the fun Trump and the Republicans are going to have with things like the Hunter Biden issue. Then of course, Trump is going to sweep through the mid west reminding everyone that Biden has a record of being a huge supporter of trade agreements like NAFTA, the China trade agreement etc. These agreements are hated in key battle ground states where they are blamed for heavy job losses. Biden is set to claim the nomination because he was Obama’s VP and because of the desperation of the Democrat establishment to stop Bernie Sanders. Prior to that he had never won a state in his previous Presidential runs. He is prone to embarrassing slip ups and these sadly are only increasing. Strap yourselves in, this ride isn’t going to be pleasant!

  19. There may be voter suppression the GOP does not expect in the General that advantages Biden.

    The most at risk voters from the Virus are the eldest who are most likely to be GOP voters.

    That may be enough for the few thousand in swing states to go the Democrats way.

  20. One thing a bit annoying with some of the Sanders support base is the implied conspiracy theories – that the “establishment” are stopping him in some nefarious manner.

    Certainly “the establishment” prefer Biden; but they do get to have an opinion. Part of Sanders task was to either win them over OR gain enough support elsewhere for it not to matter.

    It appears he hasn’t done that. All I can see the “establishment” doing is energising their supporters to get out and vote.

  21. Matt31

    Exit polls are showing the majority of both Biden and Sanders supporters will vote for either candidate that wins.

    So despite narratives that’s a good sign of unity for the party in the General I agree with you about Biden’s weaknesses.

  22. For those wondering.

    The best argument I have heard for Black voter support of Biden is that he took a back seat to a Black President for eight years. He did nothing to undermine their first Black President by even a little bit.

    It explains a lot

  23. Moderate Democrats have never been able to get the voters excited enough to vote out an incumbent President. Well, except Bill Clinton. And Jimmy Carter. And if you want to go back a bit more, Grover Cleveland. Shit. Well Hillary Clinton and Al Gore lost, so yeah. So that means you should exclusively nominate leftists like George McGovern and Mike Dukakis if you want to win.

    (To clarify: My point isn’t that only moderates or centrists can win; just that it’s completely disingenuous to claim they can’t or that being more left wing is what voters inherently hunger for. Voters don’t base their votes on Political Compass results.)

  24. guytaur

    An even better argument for black voters supporting Biden is that same black president has openly praised Biden and described him as loyal and trustworthy. That is priceless for Biden.

  25. “Socratessays:
    Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 11:27 am
    guytaur

    An even better argument for black voters supporting Biden….”

    Or maybe they just like his policies better and find him more inspiring. Just like all the Sanders people support him for those same reasons.

  26. My explanation for African Americans supporting Biden is that I am not African American and I don’t firsthand understand the struggles and barriers they face and I think it would be nothing but a flaunting of my white privilege to judge or second-guess their voting rationale.

  27. When you look at the details of the demographics of states voting today, where Biden is winning, There must be more going on than simply saying moderates vote for Biden and Liberals vote for Sanders. There simply are not enough moderate votes in the electorate to give Biden the 84% vote share being reported. Some liberal voters must be voting for Biden.

    Mississippi Voter Profile
    ideology 2004 2008 2016
    Very liberal 12% 14% 28%
    Somewhat liberal 28 28 39
    Moderate 44 49 29
    Conservative 16 9 4
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/primary-election-march-10/

    The margin of victory for Biden is starting to look very clear cut.

  28. Hugoaugogo, thankyou for your considered response, you’ve done this before, which i’ve noticed & appreciated.

    we agree the primary is still being run. imo, timing of a withdrawal announcement, or its opposite, depends on many factors. -a.v.

  29. I largely agree with what Matt31 has posted.

    Turning the election into a referendum on Trump didn’t work in 2016. That year the democrats could tap into the fear of the unknown (the possibility of a President Trump) – which I believe to be more palpable to the lizard brains of the barely politically engaged voter than loathing of the known (the actual President Trump) is now in 2020.

    Those ‘middle’ Americans who are frothing over just how bad Trump is as president are the ones who were always going to vote: for the barely engaged folk – while they might not like President Trump, they no longer fear him: after all the economy is still doing ok.

    I think it is a myth that loathing alone can motivate people to vote against a candidate or party. Especially in a system where turn out is everything. Look at all the democrat winners over the past 80-90 years: FDR, JFK, Bubba, Obama – they all stood for at least the palpable embodiment of ‘hope’ – no matter how vaguely that hope was expressed. Biden? He just doesn’t have it. Never did. This is a high risk strategy by the democrat rank and file to place their hope that he will engage ‘hope’ in the broader community. A lot more folk than they expect will stay home on the couch on Election Day. Again.

  30. One reason African-American voters support Biden is that he loyally served under an African-American president for 8 years. I’ve been told that counts for a lot in the eyes of many African-American voters,

  31. Apparently next week’s debate will be done without a live audience.

    (It was requested by both campaigns and is related to Coronavirus, before anybody thinks it was a request from one side to avoid audience scrutiny.)

  32. AE – Yes, I can see your point, but Biden will run on the promise of returning competence, civility and decency to public life, making an obvious contrast with Trump. It could well be that such an appeal is the “hope” that enough Americans are looking for. Biden has numerous flaws as a candidate (on that we can agree), but he certainly boasts a sunny disposition and a smiley face, and in the context of this year’s election, that might be sufficient. Of course, Trump and the GOP dirt machine will throw everything at him, but Biden at least starts the contest with a clean slate – he is widely liked, and doesn’t attract much opprobrium from his opponents, so there isn’t much in the way of baggage for him.

    In any event, the early results today suggest that the party is falling in behind him, and so he is all but certain to be the Democratic nominee, so we on the Left will have to hope that he can do it. As things stand at the moment, I’d rate him a slightly better chance than Trump at actually winning in November, but of course it’s far from a done deal.

  33. Rational Leftist
    “To clarify: My point isn’t that only moderates or centrists can win; just that it’s completely disingenuous to claim they can’t or that being more left wing is what voters inherently hunger for”

    To add to this, it’s extremely difficult to defeat a first-term President. It does happen, but it’s exceptional.
    Note that Ford filled out Nixon’s second term after Watergate, which helped Carter (plus Ford, who wasn’t even elected as VP, was a pretty disappointing president).
    Carter was defeated by Reagan after only one term because his presidency was dragged down by economic and geopolitical crises (both linked).
    Bush Snr succeeded Reagan after 2 terms, so Clinton followed 3 consecutive Republican terms in the WH.

  34. Will Sanders get above the 15% threshold in Mississippi?

    Sanderistas would know the critical importance not only of shedding Trump, but of turning the Senate.

    An early decision (rather than a too-late decision like last time) to throw their full weight, energy and resources behind Biden not only increases the chances of tossing Trump into the cesspit of history, but increases the possibility of turning the Senate.

  35. Three states called now, and Biden has won all three of Mississippi, Missouri and Michigan, te first two by big margins.

    Biden won 96% of African-American voters over 60 in Mississippi! Given that no Democrat in over 20 years has won the nomination without a majority of black voters, Bernie’s ongoing issues with those communities has spelt doom for him.

    Given that both candidates have cancelled rallies this week and gone home to their home towns, I wonder if this presages Sanders suspending his campaign? If it were anyone else, I’d say yes – Bernie really now has no path to the nomination, and with a few particular unfriendly states coming up (eg Florida and Georgia), it could get ugly for him – but he’s a stubborn old bugger.

  36. ‘Hugoaugogo says:
    Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 12:14 pm

    Three states called now, and Biden has won all three of Mississippi, Missouri and Michigan, te first two by big margins.

    Biden won 96% of African-American voters over 60 in Mississippi! Given that no Democrat in over 20 years has won the nomination without a majority of black voters, Bernie’s ongoing issues with those communities has spelt doom for him.

    Given that both candidates has cancelled rallies this week and gone home to their home towns, I wonder if this presages Sanders suspending his campaign? If it were anyone else, I’d say yes – Bernie really now has no path to the nomination, and with a few particular unfriendly states coming up (eg Florida and Georgia), it could get ugly for him – but he’s a stubborn old bugger.’

    Indeed. There’s the sensible centre. And there’s the self-centred.

  37. Boerwar @ #140 Wednesday, March 11th, 2020 – 12:10 pm

    Will Sanders get above the 15% threshold in Mississippi?

    Sanderistas would know the critical importance not only of shedding Trump, but of turning the Senate.

    An early decision (rather than a too-late decision like last time) to throw their full weight, energy and resources behind Biden not only increases the chances of tossing Trump into the cesspit of history, but increases the possibility of turning the Senate.

    Wouldn’t allowing the process to run it’s course, which is obviously fairly combative in nature, give Biden the ideal chance to hone himself into a lethal lean, mean fighting machine ready to go into combat against Trump in the second half of the year? Sanders is a good sparring partner if you ask me.

  38. Jennifer Rubin‏Verified account @JRubinBlogger

    After tonight what is the rationale for Bernie staying in other than to weaken the Dem Party?

  39. Bernie is home in Vermont tonight…. Why would he head home instead of a state that has a primary next week or the week after that? I think he is going to bow out tomorrow.

  40. Ideally, I’d like Sanders to do what Howard Dean did in 2004 and use the structure and resources he acquired in his runs to form an activist group to push more broadly for more progressive policies and to increase youth voter turnout (not just in primaries but generals too.)

  41. Bellwether

    Put yourself in the position of the Trump camp.

    You only have to see the sort of efforts of the Bernie Bros to realize that what they WANT to do is to damage or destroy Biden.

    At the moment the ONLY beneficiary of the Sanderistas clawing down Biden is Trump.

    The sooner Biden can turn his attention to Trump, the better.

    I don’t know what the last three states are going to do today but Biden has now won 13 out the last 17 states – some by massive margins.

    The real question for Sanders now must be: how committed is he to freeing the world from Trump? That is the first order issue. It is important and urgent.

    If he is more committed to his set of ideas he will carry on, regardless of the fact that they will not be implemented.

    If he is more committed to getting rid of Trump he will quit tonight.

  42. Boerwar

    Agree. Bernie should quit tonight and support the Dems in their efforts to beat Trump, retain the house and get the senate. Only then, can anything meaningful be done in the US and by extension the globe.

  43. Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538
    The shift in the rural Midwest from Bernie in 2016 to Biden in 2020 — or if you prefer, from anti-Clinton in 2016 to OK-with-Biden in 2020 — certainly has some implications for the electability debate.
    12:39 AM · Mar 11, 2020·Twitter Web App

  44. Boerwar @ #147 Wednesday, March 11th, 2020 – 12:23 pm

    Bellwether

    Put yourself in the position of the Trump camp.

    You only have to see the sort of efforts of the Bernie Bros to realize that what they WANT to do is to damage or destroy Biden.

    At the moment the ONLY beneficiary of the Sanderistas clawing down Biden is Trump.

    The sooner Biden can turn his attention to Trump, the better.

    I don’t know what the last three states are going to do today but Biden has now won 13 out the last 17 states – some by massive margins.

    The real question for Sanders now must be: how committed is he to freeing the world from Trump? That is the first order issue. It is important and urgent.

    If he is more committed to his set of ideas he will carry on, regardless of the fact that they will not be implemented.

    If he is more committed to getting rid of Trump he will quit tonight.

    I for one am itching to see them go head-to-head in debate on Sunday. I hope they give the American people the opportunity to see both of them under the full glare of the spotlight, alone on the stage together for the first time. It might even be quite instructive.

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