Something new under the sun today from Newspoll, with The Australian ($) publishing the first set of aggregated breakdowns since the election. This would appear to be limited to the new-look poll that was launched last month, which has dropped its telephone component and is now conducted entirely online. Only two results have been published in that time, but there is evidently more behind this poll than that, as the survey period extends back to November 7 and the sample size of 4562 suggests three polling periods rather than two.
The results as published are of interest in providing never-before-seen breakdowns for education level (no tertiary, TAFE/technical or tertiary) and household income (up to $50,000, up to $100,000, up to $150,000, and beyond). Including the first of these as a weighting variable promises to address difficulties pollsters may have been having in over-representing those with good education and high levels of civic engagement. However, the poll gives with one hand and takes with the other, in that it limits the state breakdowns are limited to New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland. And it falls well short of the promised new age of pollster transparency, providing no detail on how the various sub-categories have been weighted.
The state breakdowns suggest either that Labor has recovered slightly in Queensland since the election, or that polling is still struggling to hit the mark there. The Coalition is credited with a two-party lead of 55-45, compared with 58.4-41.6 at the election. Their primary vote is 40%, down from 43.7%, with Labor up from 26.7% to 29%, One Nation up from 8.9% to 13%, and the Greens up from 10.3% to 12%. The Coalition lead in New South Wales is 51-49, compared with 51.8-48.2 at the election, from primary votes of Coalition 42% (42.5%), Labor 35% (34.6%) and Greens 10% (8.7%). Labor’s lead in Victoria is 53-47, barely different from the election result of 53.1-46.9, from primary votes of Coalition 40% (38.6%), Labor 38% (36.9%) and Greens 12% (11.9%).
Age breakdowns consist of four cohorts rather than the old three, and tell a globally familiar story of Labor dominating among the 18-to-34s with a lead of 57-43, while the 65-plus cohort goes 61-39 the other way. In between are a 50-50 from 35-49s and 51-49 to the Coalition among 50-64s. The primary votes are less radical than the recent findings of the Australian Election Study survey: the primary votes among the young cohort are Coalition 34%, Labor 35% and Greens 22%, compared with 37%, 23% and 28% respectively in the AES.
Reflecting polling in Britain, there is little distinction in the balance of major party support between the three education cohorts (UPDATE: actually not so – I was thinking of social class, education was associated with Labor support), contrary to the traditional expectation that the party of the working class would do best among those with no tertiary education. The Coalition instead leads 52-48 among both that cohort and the university-educated, with Labor leading 51-49 among those with TAFE or other technical qualifications. However, household income breakdowns are more in line with traditional expectation, with Labor leading 53-47 at the bottom end, the Coalition leading 51-49 in the lower-middle, and the Coalition leading 58-42 in both of the upper cohorts.
Leadership ratings turn up a few curiosities, such as Scott Morrison rating better in Victoria (46% on both approval and disapproval) than New South Wales (41% and 51%) and Queensland (43% and 51%). Conversely, Anthony Albanese is stronger in his home state of New South Wales (41% and 40%) than Victoria (37% and 42%) and Queensland (35% and 49%).
Confessions @ #6419 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 1:18 pm
Hands up anyone who is actually surprised by this……..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/jan/04/australia-nsw-fires-live-updates-victoria-bushfires-rfs-cfa-road-closures-near-sydney-melbourne-latest-news
JM @ #6492 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:07 pm
I remember Costello doing an impersonation of her saying it.
Felt like smashing him in face.
I’m looking forward to attending this conference at the University of Adelaide this week:
https://www.miragenews.com/visiting-economist-explodes-myths-of-public-deficits/?fbclid=IwAR3YagUv0PyHmkpHUQbdQLw_XG1z8niWaONl5DMGkkMkGH8iMC79RIwb-20
JM says: Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 2:07 pm
“going forward”
I recall Gillard getting caned by our MSM for using ‘moving forward’ a few times in a speech (campaign?).
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Reminds me of the old Devo song : Whip It
Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It’s not too late
To whip it
Whip it good
a r @ #6385 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 1:00 pm
Quoted in full should others be interested.
Thank you AR – Good information.
Had this fool of a man taken the advice of climate scientists, fire and emergency chiefs seriously, it probably would not’ve been a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. And wasn’t it Morrison who said the ADF, and by implication, the Rockies, weren’t trained to fight bush fires? The man’s full of shit.
No, Mavis, mundo will tell you, Scott Morrison is God’s gift to Australia!
Perhaps I am missing something but can anyone help me understand why we need to call up 3000 reservists given we have a standing regular army ?
Surely the logistics involved in using regular defence force personnel would be far less complicated and time consuming ?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Rex Douglas @ #6506 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:15 pm
Oh shit. My middle favourite daughter and family live in South Durras.
Lizzie
Climate change denier says “Just a lucky guess” by Mr Garnaut.
Quoll @ #6485 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:00 pm
Well, if it is not true, I expect Albo will repudiate it quicksmart, so that Labor don’t get sucked into Smirko’s pyrocumulus vortex … waiting … waiting … 🙁
steve davis
We’re really pushing excrement up hill all the time. But then, with such an accomplished liar for PM, it’s easy to understand how ppl can make up their own ‘science’.
I have posted numerous times since the election that I now realise and fully accept I have no idea what the average non political tragic Australian really thinks.
So, with the above paragraph as a disclaimer, I would be very surprised if those Australians fighting the fires today and those being forced to evacuate their homes as their communities burn would be jumping with joy at the Morrison announcement.
Planes to take at least a week to arrive and who knows how long for the reservists to arrive to help given the logistics. Not a great deal of joy there for people who are living the disaster today especially as all this could already have in place
Just my own personal thoughts.
Sonar,
Stay as cool as you can. In the city, I am watching weird clouds and a stream of smoke towards the south west. I am guessing it is the Green Wattle Creek fire near Wollondilly. Strange clouds in the direction of the Grose Valley, but no movement in the fire according to my friends in the mountains, yet anyway.
doyley @ #6511 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:16 pm
Because he gets to use more fancy shmancy words like, ‘Stand up’, ‘they have been working on a “response to requests” model, but “going forward” they will be taking the initiative’, that sort of thing. Stormin’ Norman Schwarzkopf, Scott’s idol, will have nothing on General Speaking in Tongues Morrison! 😆
lizzie,
Sounds like Scotty from marketing may be making a visit there – or maybe this is retribution for some of Channel 10’s less than favourable coverage of the PM.
Best wishes for your daughter, Kayjay.
@D&M……..singlet…..boxers……water and ice…..fan on full………test cricket……….lol
#survivingtheheat
C@t
I was thinking that ScoMo has perfected the art of ‘stream of consciousness’ public speaking, but with added statistics, from many years of participation in his local chapter of Hillsong.
D & M,
David ‘The NSW Police can strip search my teenage daughters anytime I don’t care’ Elliott is back in the saddle. Say no more than I’m sure he would advise them to kick out the truth tellers.
lizzie @ #6523 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:30 pm
It’s Managerialese on steroids, lizzie. How to seem like you are saying something without saying anything at all.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-rejected-major-air-tanker-expansion-20200103-p53onl.html
“Labor went to the last federal election promising an $80 million policy to create a national firefighting fleet to make up for a long-term fall in federal assistance. Then Labor leader Bill Shorten said the money would go towards at least six very large air-tankers as well as helicopters.
Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese wrote to Mr Morrison in November asking him to call a meeting of the Council of Australian Governments to discuss national disaster responses including aerial firefighting.
“I proposed that COAG expand the capacity of Australia’s National Aerial Firefighting Centre and increase its funding,” Mr Albanese said. “Australia faces a national bushfire emergency and it requires a national response.””
So, historical fact is that the ALP had a good policy going into the last election, that if had been enacted would maybe have made a difference to the situation we have right now.
Smoko playing catch up too fwarking late. 🙁
Morrison says it will take at least a week for the water-bombing aircraft to arrive. A fat lot of good that’ll do. Why weren’t they ordered two months ago and why weren’t ADF personnel & assets mobilised? Oh, that’s right, there was the religious freedoms bill to consider, and planning a secret holiday to Hawaii.
lizzie @ #6561 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:30 pm
The figures he quotes have as much significance as anything else he says – nothing. He is now the second most despised person in the country.
Lizzie
And the Lib supporters always use Abbotts type of lies about climate change.
An entire week where the National Security Committee could have been meeting before Christmas went by while Scotty From Marketing was on retreat in Hawaii.
doyley @ #6507 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:16 pm
I wondered the same thing.
Could it be that business bears most of the costs of calling up the reservists (most of whom have full time jobs) whereas the government bears the cost of using full-time ADF personnel?
Also, if we used the full-time ADF, who would we send to Iran when Drumpf pulls Morrison’s chain?
Doyley
Reason left this government a while ago. 3000 being called up is an attempt at catch up. Too late for today despite knowing it was going to get worse after New Years.
Thank god for Daniel Andrews in Victoria being prepared. Things would have been much much worse.
Yes I am still agnostic.
Sam Maiden asked him directly about the conflicting recollections of his conversation with Zoey McDermott.
He directly lied AGAIN on this subject.
Seen in Bega
(via ABC)
rhwombat
That $11 million has been working overtime for months. But any number of millions is enough to impress (rude description deleted).
‘bakunin says:
Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:38 pm
BW,
Do you know if the heath at Shipwreck Ck burnt?’
I don’t know but I reckon you can bet your house on it being gone.
I am curious about why reservists and not regulars.
The Budget Surplus motivation would reverse this. Regulars are a sunk cost. Calling up reservists is an additional charge on the Budget. The equipment use is the same. In either case I assume that any additional costs will come from within the existing Defence vote.
kayjay
Best wishes for your daughter and her family.
doyley:
Re. your query as to why the reserves have been called up.
The ADF was certainly sent to Darwin, in the wake of Tracy.
I can’t fathom why permanent members of ADF are not being used, there being no extra cost involved because they would get paid in any event.
This is a common theme on twitter when not posting directly about how to get help
@grifonaut
@EddyJokovich Given that fires have been burning since September, the Morrison-Dutton Regime has thrown plenty of money & resources to protect communities, farmland, & environment? Of course they haven’t. That would acknowledge the #ClimateCrisis they deny on behalf of their #Coal bosses
My personal Despicable Dozen rankings as of 03:47z 04/01/20:
(1) Elliot
(2) Scummo
(3) Taylor
(4) Dutton
(5) Murdoch, R.
(6 – 12) All the little Orcs.
Modifications welcome.
Possible answers.
Well, my relative’s a nurse and she’s sure I’ve got arthritis but one doctor says it’s being overweight and another thinks it’s the onset of parkinson’s. What shall I write? Might as well put all three.
Bushfire Bill @ #6517 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:29 pm
Shit situation. They’ve been cut off a couple of times.
She is a registered nurse working in aged care. Husband has advanced bowel cancer. She has taken his place in RFS and now drives heavy vehicles (she scares me).
I wonder and am very concerned about the unfortunate residents of aged care facility everywhere – and particularly now with the possibility of no power, no communication, no support and dreadful air quality.
In the meanwhile, being a long time admirerer of Maxwell Smart, I won’t hear a word against Mr. Whatsisname.
Go well amigo. 😵 and 🤯 (exploding head).
‘Rex Douglas says:
Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 2:06 pm
Quoll @ #6491 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:00 pm
Amidst that excessive presser
Interesting to see SmoKo suck the ALP into the climate change question, he’s saying current action is bipartisan, nothing between the Lib and Lab parties
Coal and gas are good for the country, nothing more to do or say here
Wondering if anyone will ask Albo if that’s true from him too?
We all know the two major parties are essentially same same on ‘climate change’ policy.
The really tragic thing in all this is there’s no change in sight.’
What’s the difference between Scotty from Marketing and Rexie from Greens Marketing?
None at all.
The CFD will be run by two-star Major General Jake Ellwood.
Good choice SmoKo! 😆
Jake AND Ellwood!
Player One @ #6506 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 2:22 pm
…still waiting…..
@Nepean News tweets
#BREAKING Penrith’s temp soars to 48.1 degrees as hottest day records continue to be reset
There are lots of ADF regulars already involved in the fires.
Currawon Fire has jumped the Shoalhaven River again with TooLateToLeave for North Nowra and thereabouts.
Anyway, the planes will be here in 7- 14 days.
Where the fark can we find a journo to directly accuse Scrott of lying as it is all on video and he and we all saw it, there is no room for ‘differing recollections’ .