In the wake of Craig Emerson and Jay Weatherill’s federal electoral post-mortem for Labor, two post-election reviews have emerged from the Liberal Party, with very different tales to tell – one from the May 2019 federal triumph, the other from the November 2018 Victorian state disaster.
The first of these was conducted by Arthur Sinodinos and Steven Joyce, the latter being a former cabinet minister and campaign director for the conservative National Party in New Zealand. It seems we only get to see the executive summary and recommendations, the general tenor of which is that, while all concerned are to be congratulated on a job well done, the party benefited from a “poor Labor Party campaign” and shouldn’t get too cocky. Points of interest:
• It would seem the notion of introducing optional preferential voting has caught the fancy of some in the party. The report recommends the party “undertake analytical work to determine the opportunities and risks” – presumably with respect to itself – “before making any decision to request such a change”.
• Perhaps relatedly, the report says the party should work closer with the Nationals to avoid three-cornered contests. These may have handicapped the party in Gilmore, the one seat it lost to Labor in New South Wales outside Victoria.
• The report comes out for voter identification at the polling booth, a dubious notion that nonetheless did no real harm when it briefly operated in Queensland in 2015, and electronic certified lists of voters, which make a lot more sense.
• It is further felt that the parliament might want to look at cutting the pre-poll voting period from three weeks to two, but should keep its hands off the parties’ practice of mailing out postal vote applications. Parliament should also do something about “boorish behaviour around polling booths”, like “limiting the presence of volunteers to those linked with a particular candidate”.
• Hints are offered that Liberals’ pollsters served up dud results from “inner city metropolitan seats”. This probably means Reid in Sydney and Chisholm in Melbourne, both of which went better than they expected, and perhaps reflects difficulties polling the Chinese community. It is further suggested that the party’s polling program should expand from 20 seats to 25.
• Ten to twelve months is about the right length of time out from the election to preselect marginal seat candidates, and safe Labor seats can wait until six months out. This is at odds with the Victorian party’s recent decision to get promptly down to business, even ahead of a looming redistribution, which has been a source of friction between the state and federal party.
• After six of the party’s candidates fell by the wayside during the campaign, largely on account of social media indiscretions (one of which may have cost the Liberals the Tasmanian seat of Lyons), it is suggested that more careful vetting processes might be in order.
The Victorian inquiry was conducted by former state and federal party director Tony Nutt, and is available in apparently unexpurgated form. Notably:
• The party’s tough-on-crime campaign theme, turbo-charged by media reportage of an African gangs crisis, failed to land. Too many saw it as “a political tactic rather than an authentic problem to be solved by initiatives that would help make their neighbourhoods safer”. As if to show that you can’t always believe Peter Dutton, post-election research found the issue influenced the vote of only 6% of respondents, “and then not necessarily to our advantage”.
• As it became evident during the campaign that they were in trouble, the party’s research found the main problem was “a complete lack of knowledge about Matthew Guy, his team and their plans for Victoria if elected”. To the extent that Guy was recognised at all, it was usually on account of “lobster with a mobster”.
• Guy’s poor name recognition made it all the worse that attention was focused on personalities in federal politics, two months after the demise of Malcolm Turnbull. Post-election research found “30% of voters in Victorian electorates that were lost to Labor on the 24th November stated that they could not vote for the Liberal Party because of the removal of Malcolm Turnbull”.
• Amid a flurry of jabs at the Andrews government, for indiscretions said to make the Liberal defeat all the more intolerable, it is occasionally acknowledged tacitly that the government had not made itself an easy target. Voters were said to have been less concerned about “the Red Shirts affair for instance” than “more relevant, personal and compelling factors like delivery of local infrastructure”.
• The report features an exhausting list of recommendations, updated from David Kemp’s similar report in 2015, the first of which is that the party needs to get to work early on a “proper market research-based core strategy”. This reflects the Emerson and Weatherill report, which identified the main problem with the Labor campaign as a “weak strategy”.
• A set of recommendations headed “booth management” complains electoral commissions don’t act when Labor and union campaigners bully their volunteers.
• Without naming names, the report weights in against factional operators and journalists who “see themselves more as players and influencers than as traditional reporters”.
• The report is cagey about i360, described in The Age as “a controversial American voter data machine the party used in recent state elections in Victoria and South Australia”. It was reported to have been abandoned in April “amid a botched rollout and fears sensitive voter information was at risk”, but the report says only that it is in suspension, and recommends a “thorough review”.
• Other recommendations are that the party should write more lists, hold more meetings and find better candidates, and that its shadow ministers should pull their fingers out.
Gave me a slight twinge of nostalgia when I had to leave “A track winding back” and move on to the sporty modern “winners and losers”.
Policy initiative to enhance progressive policies by means of electrification (renewable energy only).
Keen observers will note that the politician shown below has been connected with current flowing in reverse thus causing the aims of policy to be directed to 1953 instead of what the ordinary woman in the street would consider the future.
Below is image of politician with current connect properly – please be aware that wearing of large brimmed hats reverses this effect.
Direct quote from politician A (first picture) “What a effing hell is an virament ❓ ”
Politician B “This is the only planet we have – we must all work together to preserve it whatever the cost”.
Question – Which politician will be reelected ❓
Coffee – must have fresh coffee ☕☕
Thanks William.
Morning all. I keep hoping for a government that will run the country. Alas.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/rba-faces-tough-questions-as-house-prices-surge-but-job-ads-slow-20191202-p53g2f.html
I also keep hoping for an opposition that will hold the government to account, rather than engage in product differentiation with the Greens. Alas again. The Bolsheviks are too busy crushing the Mensheviks.
frednk,
guytaur’s Green-serving historical revisionism is best ignored. He sings to the Green choir. As Cud Chewer said last night, Labor needs to concentrate on the low-information, time-poor voters and the intelligent ones who are sophisticated enough in their thinking to realise that Labor are not the Coalition when it comes to action taken to address Climate Change.
Labor has to bring the nation with them and let them know that their future is in safe hands, and that will come from not simply pandering to the extremists on the Far Left who ‘demand’ Labor take action that the rest of the nation isn’t happy about taking.
If that invokes sneers about ‘Centrism’, so be it.
lizzie @ #1 Tuesday, December 3rd, 2019 – 7:16 am
Ah yes – I remember it well —
There’s an old fashioned Ford
Made of rubber, tin and board
Along the road to Gundagai
Well the radiator’s hissing
And half the engine’s missing
The fuel tank’s running dry
—–
Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
Oh dear! Eryk Bagshaw reveals that Ken Wyatt awarded a $2.2 million contract to a company connected to prominent Liberal Party donors and a former candidate to conduct Indigenous eye surgeries at double the market rate.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-minister-the-ex-liberal-candidate-and-the-2-2-million-contract-20191202-p53g0c.html
George Christensen. What HAVE you done?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/george-christensen-a-regular-at-philippines-adult-entertainment-bar-manager-20191202-p53g57.html
Greg Jericho is of the opinion that ahead of the latest GDP figures to be released on Wednesday has come a range of economic data suggesting that from sales to investment to productivity the fundamentals of the economy are in a pretty bad state of affairs.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/dec/03/when-you-get-right-down-to-the-fundamentals-the-economy-is-looking-pretty-crook
Every month there is more evidence that Australia’s local economy is deteriorating — this month it’s wage rises, as Alan Austin reports.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-coalitions-global-headwinds-excuse-as-wage-growth-hits-22-year-low,13371
David Crowe writes about how Labor is ramping up its attack on Angus Taylor, this time over further non-disclosure of financial interests. It’s funny how a lot of his interests have a relationship with water.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/angus-taylor-rejects-new-claim-he-failed-to-disclose-shareholding-20191202-p53g5n.html
Katharine Murphy on Taylor’s part in the phone call saga.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/02/christian-porter-did-not-seek-advice-on-pms-controversial-call-to-nsw-police-chief
The prudential regulator has slammed health insurers for failing to arrest the exodus of young people in what has been described as a “death spiral”, accusing some funds of expecting the government to fix the industry’s problems.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/regulator-warns-health-insurers-over-death-spiral-hints-at-new-capital-rules-20191202-p53g5i.html
Rob Harris writes that Scott Morrison has hinted he is not prepared to revive an offer from New Zealand to resettle offshore asylum seekers to gain the critical vote his government needs to repeal the contentious medevac laws.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-not-for-turning-on-new-zealand-resettlement-deal-20191202-p53g35.html
Now Nick Xenophon has been retained as an Australian mouthpiece for Huawei.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/false-and-totally-unsubstantiated-xenophon-goes-after-huawei-s-critics-20191202-p53g1r.html
Peter Hartcher explains how the Morrison government finally is putting some teeth into the gummy mouth of Australia’s foreign interference laws.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/test-of-morrison-s-anti-influence-laws-will-be-whether-we-see-arrests-and-deportations-20191202-p53g1i.html
The SMH editorial states that repealing the existing medevac legislation will inflict needless pain on asylum seekers.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/repealing-medevac-will-inflict-needless-pain-on-asylum-seekers-20191202-p53g5f.html
And the Canberra Times wonders why at all the legislation needs to be repealed.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6522420/medevac-legislation-battle-a-mystery/?cs=14258
Katie Burgess outlines Kristina Keneally’s contribution to the Senate debate on the medevac repeal bill.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6520743/department-disregarded-doctors-on-medical-transfers-keneally/?cs=14350
Mathias Cormann’s miscalculations were once again exposed as the Morrison Government lost its Ensuring Integrity Bill in the Senate, writes William Olson.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/defeating-the-ensuring-integrity-bill,13370
The father of a London Bridge victim has lashed out at Boris Johnson for using the death to “perpetuate an agenda of hate”.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/jack-would-be-livid-father-of-london-bridge-victim-condemns-johnson-s-response-20191203-p53g7t.html
A parliamentary committee will run the ruler over a $220 million regional grants program dubbed the “regional rorts” scheme by Labor.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6520671/regional-grants-program-to-undergo-parliamentary-probe/?cs=14350
Shane Wright reports that the RBA board will hold its last meeting of the year today as it faces renewed pressure over its interest rate settings after the biggest surge in Australian dwelling values in 16 years.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/rba-faces-tough-questions-as-house-prices-surge-but-job-ads-slow-20191202-p53g2f.html
House prices surged 1.7% across Australia in November, the rapidly reviving market recording the biggest monthly rise since 2003, according new figures.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/02/australian-house-prices-record-biggest-monthly-rise-since-2003
Jenna Price has had enough of the inaction on climate change.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/as-a-grandma-to-be-i-can-no-longer-stay-out-of-this-debate-20191202-p53g5e.html
Victoria’s largest gas power generator won’t be back online until the end of December, escalating concerns about blackouts.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/victorian-gas-plant-delays-deepen-fears-of-summer-blackouts-20191202-p53g4e.html
Is Fred Nile’s party imploding? Apparently he is accountable to God only.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/pure-dictatorship-fred-nile-sacks-members-as-party-in-turmoil-20191202-p53g3d.html
Sam Maiden reports that Tony Abbott has visited the jail where convicted paedophile George Pell is being held in Melbourne, declaring he was “simply visiting a friend”.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/12/02/tony-abbott-george-pell-jail-visit/
Economist Angela Jackson says that money laundering crooks are being given too much freedom and concludes her article with, “The Prime Minister was right to hold the chief executive and board of Westpac to account. But he should expect the same level of accountability if he continues to allow Australia to be a facilitator for international crime and corruption. The time for judgment is over, the time for action is now.”
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/money-laundering-crooks-are-being-given-too-much-freedom-20191202-p53fyz.html
The Coalition Government has argued that the surge in asylum applications from Chinese and Malaysian citizens is just part of normal growth in the caseload. Nothing could be further from the truth writes Abul Rizvi.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/visa-applications-from-china-and-malaysia-surge-due-to-poor-policy,13369
The head of the banking regulator has warned it could disqualify Westpac directors and managers following the money-laundering scandal that has engulfed the bank.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/banking/2019/12/02/westpac-apra-directors/
It is tasked with tiding over unemployed Australians until they can find work, but new research suggests Centrelink is putting vulnerable people at risk of homelessness reports The New Daily.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2019/12/03/homeless-centrelink-newstart/
Urban expert Chris Johnson is concerned that an inefficient and biased planning bureaucracy is having a negative impact on the NSW’s productivity. He says Berejiklian needs to make sure the people who understand that tough decisions are required now to ensure a quality future for the next generation are supported and put into key positions.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-red-tape-is-killing-sydney-s-future-as-a-city-20191202-p53g1k.html
Agricultural forecasters have warned that NSW grain producers will bear the brunt of devastating drought conditions, but it’s a more upbeat outlook for Victoria.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/winter-crop-forecasts-slashed-as-armageddon-drought-bites-20191202-p53g2p.html
Stephen Bartholomeusz has an update on the progress of the US-China trade war. He says it is US companies and US consumers that are being taxed at that $US40 billion rate, not (as Trump routinely claims) China.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/as-trade-truce-looms-china-s-key-manufacturing-sector-starts-to-lift-20191202-p53g0q.html
Islamophobic attacks mostly happen in public. Here’s what you can do if you see it or experience it.
https://theconversation.com/islamophobic-attacks-mostly-happen-in-public-heres-what-you-can-do-if-you-see-it-or-experience-it-127807
James Valentine writes that Queensland LNP senator James McGrath had so much to work with when insulting the ABC, but he failed miserably.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/out-with-the-basket-weavers-and-in-with-the-negroni-sucking-naysayers-20191202-p53g0t.html
A defiant Mark Zuckerberg has defended Facebook policy to allow false ads, saying people should be able to judge for themselves the character of politicians and compares alternative to censorship.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/02/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-policy-fake-ads
Meanwhile Google and YouTube have pulled hundreds of ads for Donald Trump over the last few months.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/02/google-youtube-trump-ads-pulled-report
The woman who claims she slept with the Duke of York when she was a teenager has urged the British public to “stand by her” and “not accept this as OK” in her first UK television interview.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/royal/2019/12/03/prince-andrew-accuser-interview/
Cartoon Corner
A classic from David Rowe at the crime scene.
Cathy Wilcox points the finger.
From Matt Golding.
John Shakespeare and what has happened to TAFE training.
Zanetti rolls out his pet CFMMEU.
Dionne Gain with China’s influence.
Johannes Leak toes his employer’s line here.
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43bb5eb30e816747a39655906a328328?width=1024
From the US
Also from the Guardian article linked by Guytaur @5:58 on the old thread:
‘And then creeps in the idea that the problem lies with both sides of the political divide – muddy the waters, ascribe blame equally for dishonesty. It works, of course: speaking to voters on doorsteps across the country, I hear the constant refrain that “all politicians lie”.’
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/02/tory-lies-democracy-labour-danger
We see an example of this false equivalence applied especially to Climate inaction everywhere, for example in the report (linked by Guytaur @6:34 in the old thread) of a bushfire victim protest in Canberra. Everything wrong in this country that can be ascribed to Government or politics is the fault of those who have held power for 6 years. It is not Labor, not the Greens, not the “big parties”. It is the fault of the political wing of the fossil fuel industry, the Coalition parties. That is what should be shouted in protests.
Equivalence is crap.
A good cartoon dealing with that.
Thanks BK for the Dawn Patrol.
Love the cartoons. I couldn’t get David Rowe’s to show and hope this is it ⏬⏬
Climate Change equivalence is crap.
Great cartoons today BK.
The one by Cathy Wilcox desrves wide circulation.
Morning all. Thanks BK for today’s wrap, love, love, LOVE today’s Rowe!
On William’s report of the Liberal party election review and 3 cornered contests in Nat seats, perhaps the party should let the Nationals stand (or die as it were) on their own two feet. If there aren’t enough voters that vote National in those seats that they can win in their own right, it seems silly to continue propping up the party by the Liberals continually choosing to sit out elections in those seats. Talk about flogging a dead horse.
A defiant Mark Zuckerberg has defended Facebook policy to allow false ads, saying people should be able to judge for themselves the character of politicians and compares alternative to censorship.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/02/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-policy-fake-ads
It’s called ‘editing’, Mark. 😐
As Bill Maher said, voters who think both major parties are the same either haven’t been paying attention to politics or are trying to sound justifiably jaded as a cover because they just don’t know anything. Or they just apply their brains to superficial bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-HDsmJbm_E
And another from Bill on false equivalency and how a pox on both their houses is factually wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtd4tds-I0U
OK all you Green and Labor peeps slugging out in the ‘blame game’ some things you should BOTH remember but seem to forget. The Greens complain that Labor refused to negotiate or deal with the Greens. Labor blames the Greens for voting against the CPRS. All great with 20/20 rear vision but
1) At conference after conference I went to I heard business organisation reps ,especially power companies and the finance people, say they were cool with a price on CO2 BUT they had to have certainty so as to make investment decisions. They could not risk committing to something that would be dead with a change in government.
2) So that being the case you can see why it was imperative to get a deal acceptable to both Labor AND the Coalition so that there was certainty and the legislation permanent.
So for the Greens people I hope you can see why Labor was so reluctant to deal. For Labor people booing the Greens for not voting for the initial CPRS, do you really think the ideology, the money the forces backing the Coalition troglodytes that saw the price on Carbon turfed would have packed up and gone home if the Greens has voted yes for the CPRS ? Both sides remember that with the ‘money men’ and the power utilities so concerned about certainty do you think they would have fully committed to a deal that the Coalition was against ? For both sides, remember that change seemed inevitable and sense would prevail. Well we all underestimated the pernicious influence of the likes of the Koch Bros. and all the other poisonous forces and the willingness of so many pollies to sell out the country .
Labor ‘insiders” would have a better idea than me but at the time comments I kept hearing in the media from some senior Labor people were pretty ‘unhelpful’ and wondered how much opposition if not sabotage was going on within Labor out of the public gaze. I’d love to know how much interference was being run by them.
Yep as Bill says: ‘Both parties are the same is the stupid person’s idea of a smart thing to say.’
poroti
Something which has been a constant source of annoyance to me from the beginning of the carbon debate is the concentration on the cost of action “It will put power prices up”, endlessly emphasised by LNP speakers. The media has taken it up so that the cost of electricity is the only show in town.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/margin-call/abbotts-memoirs-a-writeoff/news-story/883e40a0a2a4af34fb90b53b3947a710
This will be disaster for the reading public – those who are breathlessly waiting for books about cricket by cricketers and about themselves by politicians – will be wailing in the streets, sackcloth and ashes sales will be the saviour of the employment downturn and the Churches will again be filled with penitents denouncing themselves and their sins.
This must not be allowed to stand.When a journalist of the quality of Mr. T. Abbott Esq refuses to enlighten his public we must rise up in fury and make our collective displeasure known.
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P.S. Outside a few moments ago checking on my lilies I was overflown by a pair of Spitfire Mk VI being chased by two ME BF 109G closing rapidly.
Actually a pair of white cockatoos followed by 2 black cockatoos.🐦🐦🦅🦅
Thanks BK
“ The head of the banking regulator has warned it could disqualify Westpac directors and managers following the money-laundering scandal that has engulfed the bank.”
The threatened penalties against Westpac execs are laughably weak. They could individually face 2 to 10 years in a Federal prison if individually charged and found guilty under the Criminal Code. Simply not stopping it is jailable. Yet worst case, they may be forced from office, walking off into the sunset with multi-million dollar bonuses. Meanwhile we jail people for taking too much from CentreLink. We so badly need a Federal ICAC.
https://www.cdpp.gov.au/crimes-we-prosecute/money-laundering
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/01/us/los-angeles-shade-climate-change.html
Socrates:
No Westpac executive is going to face penalty for their actions. As you say the most they will endure is a golden handshake, possibly a stint in the corporate wilderness, before they’re back in a well-paying board sinecure once again.
KayJay,
That’s the best news I’ve heard all day! No turgid tome from Toned Abs! Maybe there is a God? 😀
Perhaps we can help Tones by coming up with a title to inspire a start . “Shit Happens” is my starter for 10.
How the Rudd Parliament was unable to enact lasting meaningful policy on climate change is an interesting discussion. A CPRS had in principle support from around half the Liberal Party. Even Howard had committed to an ETS. Either they believed it a good idea or considered it electoral suicide to fight against it.
Then things changed. To say “Abbott”, is at least superficially correct. However he was just the rabid face of something else. What intrigues and depresses me is not how the CPRS failed, rather that out of that era we ended up with a party winning election after election on an anti climate action platform* (in the face of overwhelming evidence for the need to act).
* – in the case of 2016, the party had climate change action coloured lipstick on its pig
C@tmomma @ #23 Tuesday, December 3rd, 2019 – 8:22 am
I often wonder whether the projected size of some of the
comediesbiographies penned/typed/produced by ghosts are to suit a particular type of lopsided table. I have never read any cricketers/politicians books which may make me the poorer for it but I don’t care.You may have noticed that that the picture of Mr. Abbott featured one ear. I’m not sure whether or no it’s his tin ear. 😇
poroti @ #24 Tuesday, December 3rd, 2019 – 8:30 am
‘My 5 Minutes in the Prime Ministerial Sunshine’ 🙂
Morning all
This story has taken an amazing turn.
Marty Baron
@PostBaron
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When a crusading Maltese journalist was murdered, her sons vowed justice. Almost miraculously, it’s happening.
Perspective | When a crusading Maltese journalist was murdered, her sons vowed justice. Almost…
Even as a prime minister resigns, Daphne Caruana Galizia’s family presses on.
washingtonpost.com
Confessions @ #15 Tuesday, December 3rd, 2019 – 7:54 am
Fess: while I agree with the sentiment (and recognise the Shakespearean source), the expression “a pox on both your houses” is a bit unfortunate from Maher – an apparent unrepentant antivax sympathiser.
Lizzie
That’s why I have been saying look to Labor’s success. The Carbon Price reduced emissions and electricity.
There is no need to fight over who was right tactically on the CPRS Labor or the Greens. Both parties did their best.
What should be on the agenda today is that success.
At every climate change mention Labor should be doing compare the pair.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-price-helped-curb-emissions-anu-study-finds-20140717-ztuf6.html
Yep. I’ve been feeling this way about Zuckerberg long before it was fashionable.
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@TrueFactsStated
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It’s getting harder and harder to see whatever good remains in Mark Zuckerberg.
Zuckerberg on allowing political ads: ‘People should be able to judge
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is defending the company’s policy against removing political advertising that contains misinformation,
thehill.com
SK
Minchin and Robb are on my list of those I’d to find out what and who was behind their stance.
For those who have forgot. This is what Labor argued.
http://theconversation.com/renewables-will-reduce-electricity-costs-if-we-have-a-carbon-price-17092
KayJay @ #19 Tuesday, December 3rd, 2019 – 8:16 am
They must have been cockies KayJay. I don’t think Fighter World’s Spit or ME109 are airworthy – unless I’m wrong about that and you were seeing double.
“ For those who have forgot. This is what Labor argued.”
For those who seemed to have never learnt:
A carbon price has been defeated politically. Emphatically to the point where the mere spectre of it repulses the very people that the Labor + Greens plurality need to defeat the LNP on any issue …
A new fiction novel was released this morning.
https://www.axios.com/republican-impeachment-report-trump-quid-pro-quo-b959b349-e353-475e-87c4-429f76362300.html
AE
If Labor listened to you Medibank would never have become Medicare.
Instead we would have the US Private Health system.
Ditto Marriage Equality
Ditto WorkChoices.
On the face of it, it was a power grab by Abbott and co. It was a good reason and opportunity to topple Turnbull and grab power in the party. Yet it had to be more than that. Howard was rarely wrong…. and it was clear he thought anti-climate stance was electoral poison. So doing the opposite was a brave move. And bullies are only brave when they know they are on a winner.
poroti
I’m pretty sure Minchin was a raving climate change denier, but can’t find a link. He is definitely on the list of Australian politicians and bureaucrats with links to fossil fuel & resource extraction industries.
I’d already forgotten this: 2018 Former federal finance minister Nick Minchin has been appointed to the Foreign Investment Review Board by the Morrison government, placing him in an influential role to determine the fate of proposed Chinese acquisitions in Australia.
There is no need to relight who was right tactically on the CPRS Labor or the Greens. Both parties did their best.
Labor in 2009 was trying to put in place a process that would stick. A deal with the Coalition – ensuring that 90% of the Parliament was on board – was essential to that. A deal with the Greens was always susceptible to being characterized as an “inner city, latte-sipping” stitch-up (as history proves).
The Greens claimed the situation was urgent, but did not act that way. They dilly-dallied at the edges, seeking perfection, and got nothing.
Later on, when the Carbon Tax deal was put into effect, the Greens broke their alliance with Labor (which took most of the heat for the Carbon Tax). They say this was because of Labor’s internal leadership ructions. But it could be equally observed that Green sniping at Labor made the problem worse, not better. Eventually the Greens withdrew their support, allowing Abbott to ramp up his wrecking.
Right through, Green claims that the world was in Climate crisis was belied by their casual (and opportunistic) approach to actually doing something about it.
As a result, in 2019 we still have conservative politicians able to claim that Climate Change is not happening, and is just another front in the Culture Wars. Dorothea Mackellar’s writings are still being claimed as the gold standard of scientific research into the Australian climate. Australia has gone from being a world leader in Climate policy to the worst of all.
We had a chance in 2009 to get consensus. The Greens and the Coalition blew it up.
BB
Good rewrite of history to keep up the whole it’s the Greens fault.
Nope. It was Abbott Abbott.
Labor was blindsided by the denialist rise. As were the Greens.
No one expected fantasy of science consensus denial to take over a major political party.
Labor blaming the Greens is a total rewrite of history expecting the Greens to having foresight Labor didn’t.
poroti says:
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Labor ‘insiders” would have a better idea than me but at the time comments I kept hearing in the media from some senior Labor people were pretty ‘unhelpful’ and wondered how much opposition if not sabotage was going on within Labor out of the public gaze. I’d love to know how much interference was being run by them.
You started of well and then ended with an attempted smoke screen for the Green’s action.
If we are going to move forward the greens need to own up to their mistakes ad stop the dam nonsense.
I dunno (as my son in law says when I argue that the earth is not flat) – the second pair looked like this
and were close behind a pair of
I couldn’t detect the sound of Merlin or Daimler-Benz DB 605 engine noises. Quite strangely they were squawking squarking just like cockatoos. Weird. ✈✈🛪🛪
I disagree. In the same way Rudd getting elected wasnt a defeat of all Howard stood for. Fraser getting elected wasnt the death of Medicare.
Elections are complicated and the result cant be boiled down to one policy winning or losing. And in this era instituting any major change is politically fraught unless it is bipartisan (and in this era – nothing is bipartisan).
FWIW, this graph shows how the carbon price implementation saw support of it increase to around parity with oppose (green and yellow). Yet the ALP 2PP barely blipped.
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From the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/2013/may/17/australia-carbon-price-labor-polling
Poroti
Well Said re: Carbon Pricing
guytaur says:
Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 9:06 am
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Labor blaming the Greens is a total rewrite of history expecting the Greens to having foresight Labor didn’t
Given the outcome wanting legislation that had broad approval showed a hell of a lot of foresight. The same insight still applies, the greens have not learnt the lesson. As we saw yesterday with Penny’s motion. The Greens are still not looking for broad support.
KayJay @ #43 Tuesday, December 3rd, 2019 – 9:08 am
On the squarking front, both flavours of cocky eat Merlin’s for breakfast, so I suspect you’re correct.
frednk
It had NOTHING to do with “smokescreens” ffs . I do not give a shit about the brain dead Green v Labor blame game .
FredNK
BS
Still doing Murdoch’s work to destroy the Greens I see.
Labor did not have the foresight of the arrival of deniers in a majority.
If they did they would never have given preferences to Family First giving the right a leg up in the Senate.
Has there been any coverage on the news / mainstream media about Wong’s masterful stunt of a motion?
Or, is Labor harnessing fake news on social media to spread disinformation, much as you see here on PB from the usual sources?