The Australian reports absolutely no change on voting intention in the latest Newspoll, which is now appearing predictably on a three-weekly schedule. The Coalition continues to lead 51-49 on two-party preferred, from primary votes of Coalition 42%, Labor 33%, Greens 13% (maintaining a four-year high) and One Nation 6%. Scott Morrison is steady on 47% approval and up two on disapproval to 45%, while Anthony Albanese’s ratings continue to yo-yo, with approval down two to 37% and disapproval up four to 44%. Despite that, Morrison’s lead as preferred minister is now at 47-32, narrowing from 50-31. The field work period was presumably Thursday to Sunday, and the sample presumably between 1600 and 1700. UPDATE: The sample was 1634, consisting of 953 online and 681 automated phone poll surveys, the latter breakdown still being the only concession offered to greater transparency since the election.
Note also below this post Adrian Beaumont’s latest on Brexit and Canada.
Bellwether @ #98 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 10:57 am
So, you’re for a Far Left zealot, who likes Warren or Sanders (and don’t let Warren’s benign school marm exterior cloud your perceptions of her unappealing to the general American voter political prescriptions)?
Good luck with competing for Jill Stein’s voters.
The one positive aspect of Oz’s loss to England is that Cheika’s gone:
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/michael-cheika-s-reign-of-error-marked-by-unwanted-wallabies-records-20191020-p532hh.html
Science sometimes takes a long time to catch up.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2019/10/21/fragrances-kids-skin-allergies/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020191021
nath @ #76 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 9:19 am
You’re right, lizzie. nasty nath, as offensive as ever.
Apparently, you can’t reply when people on the blog strike up a conversation with you. He’s probably not used to that sort of thing. 😆
And I could go back to all the times he’s posted way more than 20 times in a day. But I can’t be bothered. He’s just not worth it.
Prison greens can make even the rich and glamorous look average:
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/celebrities-gone-bad/felicity-huffman-pictured-in-california-jail/news-story/d7c2788b5ab27115f4bbdcd9f45ae1b4
lizziesays:
Monday, October 21, 2019 at 10:19 am
I don’t know quite why, but this cheered me up.
Myself as well, Lizzie
MDF
2GB
“Lifestyle” 😆 At least it gives them a purpose in life.
C@tmomma @ #101 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 11:02 am
If I’m a far left zealot, which I’m absolutely not, bear in mind that the policies Warren and Sanders propose would be considered centrist in Scandinavian countries. Their ‘medicare for all’ would be considered mainstream in Canada, the UK, the EU and here in Australia. Their wish to take on the 1% I would absolutely applaud. I’ve noticed you have an annoying habit of putting people in boxes, a symptom of a closed mind.
Penny causing chaos in Committee!!!! Already.
As the climatic chaos and entropy of the world continues to accelerate, I would expect an increasing resort to the faux security of fundamentalism, with its strict guidelines for salvation and a happy ever-after life offering succour to otherwise hapless victims. Accompanied of course with large dollops of judgementalism, and scapegoating.
Does anyone with any kind serious intent, actually buy/read pulp newspapers these days? In my neck of the woods very few get the paper ‘delivered’ as in the days of yore despite claims from our local Stokes rag that their “readership” has sky-rocketed since the import of a DT minion to run the printing presses for the West. The blackened out front page? Like, will anyone really notice or give a toss?
“Left”, “Centrist”, “Establishment” whatever. The real problem I fear is an inability of every single one of the 10-12 democrats still in the game to do all of the following simultaneously:
‘cut through’ to the stay at home democrats who sat out 2016 – especially urban democrat inclined men in the rust belt
Inspire the youth to actually cast a vote
Not frighten off middle class independents, and
Get enough ‘boots on the ground’ support from so called ‘establishment’ (but really simply hard core true believers – often teachers, nurses, union floor reps etc) to go out and fight the election.
It’s a pickle.
In case you didn’t know, US Attorney General William Barr is a ‘devout Catholic’. Devout translates to fundamentalist in my reckoning. And he’s got his anthropomorphic catholic god’s work to do.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/19/william-barr-attorney-general-catholic-conservative-speech
Buy? Less and less. Read? yes. Especially if you consider newspaper articles are often the pied piper for what stories the other media will choose to run with.
Tricot
“Does anyone with any kind serious intent, actually buy/read pulp newspapers these days? ”
Read them?
Yes. Every I cafe I pass seems to have at least one copy of The Oz and one of the Daily Terror. And people do read them.
Hardware stores often give them to their tradies with purchases.
Buy them? Not so much.
Their purpose is propaganda after all.
Andrew_Earlwood
I think it’s high time to reduce the field to the 5 or 6 front runners. At present that would be Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg and Harris. The messaging is far too diffuse at the moment.
Listening to Wong/Cormann
1. Thank god I’m not in the Senate.
2. Cormann is the greatest conversational roundaboutarian I have ever heard as he tries to avoid any answers, then he accuses Wong of being offensive.
Andrew_Earlwood @ #112 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 10:32 am
An overcomplicated pickle. ‘Referendum on Trump’ is all they (should) need.
Mavis
says:
nath:
Unless they’re repetitively covering the same subject, I’m unaware of a rule precluding multiple posts.
__________________________
I know it’s not my place, and everyone has times when they post a bit. But it seems that when a person deliberately attempts to dominate, or mark their territory day in day out with an incessant stream of consciousness it can be a bit much.
Oh, come on. ‘Mark territory’?
Bellwether @ #108 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 11:17 am
Thank you for putting me in the box of, ‘people who put other people in boxes’. 🙂
Now, if you actually comprehended what I was trying to say about Elizabeth Warren you would have realised that America is nothing like the Scandinavian countries, the EU, Australia, Canada, or even the UK. So what might fly there will not fly in the USA. Even Elizabeth Warren realises it:
Anyway, the whole article I will link to explains the polling numbers in America for Medicare For All:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/latest-democratic-polls.html
nath
I post a lot in the mornings rather than later in the day, because I wake early. Might as well accuse BK of trying to dominate. Don’t be so picky.
In my opinion Penny Wong would make a great leader of the Labor Party, it is a shame she hasn’t moved into the Lower House. Wong has a lot of positives, she is a woman of color (WOC), she is a committed Christian, she is a queer person. If she was Labor leader she would inspire a lot of people, especially those of color in a way that Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Illhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib have done in America.
Although I confess identity politics is inherently bad, it is the White, Christian, Male, Hetrosexual, Cis-Gender forms of identity politics are toxic.
Mavis @ #100 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 11:01 am
The problem is the punters don’t see Scrotty as sneaky & disingenuous.
Most punters don’t recognise those traits. Scrotty is much too rat cunning for that.
He says the right things and pushes the right buttons when he needs to.
He is a greasy, smooth operator. To underestimate him is to blunder large.
Tristo @ #122 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 12:01 pm
‘she is a committed Christian’
So fucking what.
Julia Gillard was a committed atheist.
What does this shit even mean.
Warren is the most broadly popular candidate among Democrats, who do constitute her most important target market. So she’s likely to get the gig, though the primaries are still some way off.
She appears to be less popular among black and Hispanic voters than among white voters. But this is not necessarily fatal for her chances. She still has a lot of time to build her ratings in these communities. Trump is also popular among the white electorate, so Warren will be competitive there among voters that have rejected Trump. This is likely to be pronounced among white, college-educated suburban women.
I like Warren, I have to admit. In every possible sense, she is not Trump. She has declared herself for policies and values that define her as a leader. I admire that. As a woman, of course she also embodies the quest for equality and accomplishment that lies at the heart of the American ideal. I think she would make a great President.
@mundo
Penny Wong is a committed church going Christian, in the way Kevin Rudd is.
Simon Katich @ #120 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 11:57 am
‘Deliberately attempts to dominate’!?!
Um, no.
‘an incessant stream of consciousness’.
Casting the net far and wide there. This is a conversational blog, generally about politics. I have conversations with people and I enjoy doing that. I also post things that interest me, generally about politics. I am conscious about politics here and in the rest of the world. As are most people here. And there are those with obsessions about certain politicians as well. All allowed.
Plus, I don’t see any equivalent criticism about others who post here all day, every day. Not that they deserve it either. Just me, it seems. Hmm, I wonder why a poster who has been shown to be obsessive about certain politicians would therefore target me? Don’t answer.
Finally, ‘marking my territory’!?! Not funny, simply offensive. And why I generally take no notice of this particular person. And will continue to do so.
Finally, my mother put it best, as she said to me numerous times, “You could talk the leg off an iron pot!” 😆
Tristo
I admire Penny Wong’s mind, but I wouldn’t vote for her as PM. She’s best in the Senate, IMO.
You mean, exactly like Hillary?
Um…Hillary?
C@tmomma
Just a word of caution, don’t put all your faith in US mainstream media. They are firmly in the establishment’s pocket.
nath:
Yes, they sometimes do, as in, for instance, your exchanges with Boerwar, sometimes zoomster.
That’s a matter of perception. If you think about it, your comment to Cat, ” Don’t you ever shut up?” was, as far as I can ascertain, unprovoked and a tad spiteful.
Bellwether @ #131 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 12:12 pm
I don’t. I put my faith in the aggregate polling in America. You can learn a lot from the people who actually determine the results of their elections, when asked by reputable pollsters and aggregated.
Unlike here where it’s all cloak and daggers stuff in the shadows and then produced from behind a cloak, voila!
Cormann accusing Wong of being blah-blah the International Left conspiracy.
Ridiculous.
What would he know? What a hack.
Robert Reich
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/20/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-joe-biden-democratic-debate-donald-trump
Clinton won the popular vote quite handily. Warren can easily do the same. Very easily. The problem for any Democratic candidate is to overcome the disability caused by the electoral college, which favours Republicans. Whoever the Democrats run, they will have to reverse Trump’s advantage in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. The Republicans are obviously well-organised in these States. So they start with an advantage, no matter who the Democrats run with.
In 2020, to win a Democratic nominee will have to campaign week-in and week-out in all the swing States. There is no reason that Warren should be any less competitive in this than any other possible nominee. She has a proven capacity to attract support on the hustings….a capacity to grow her support rather than to simply guard the support already expressed.
I like her a lot. I’m biased. I think she would make a great POTUS. She would heal America, a country much wounded by Trump. They need it.
lizziesays:
Monday, October 21, 2019 at 11:47 am
Cormann’s idea of offensive is anything that shows him or the Government as being a hypocrite or lying.
America is still a country founded on ideals. Americans remain a people capable of being inspired by them. They are not inherently Trumpy. The Democrats really have to look past the fears and traumas incited by Trump and look to their own strengths. They can do it. Really, they must do it.
She won the primary popular vote in 2008 too.
Tristo @ #126 Monday, October 21st, 2019 – 12:08 pm
Nudge nudge, wink wink
mundosays:
Monday, October 21, 2019 at 12:07 pm
Completely agree.
Also, watching her go about her Parliamentary duties, you wouldn’t know.
“ She won the primary popular vote in 2008 too.”
What?
Fact check this please.
mundo:
Give it time, the average punter will ultimately see through him. He has managed drought relief abysmally, and he’s handling the economy similarly. The flimflam man will have his day of reckoning.
I like her a lot. I’m biased. I think she would make a great POTUS. She would heal America, a country much wounded by Trump. They need it.
Not true. Not that she’ll ever get to be POTUS. Trump and the Conservative machine hasn’t even started again on her. ‘Pocohontas’ was just the beginning. No doubt they’ll dredge up her Republican days to put up her hypocrisy in headlights. But basically they just have to do to her what the Coalition did to Labor. How much will her policies cost you? And in these days of the global working Precariat, that message resonates loudly.
Barney
So he “takes offence” at anything at all said by Labor!!
AE
48.1 – 47.4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
I think voters apply a steep discount to leadership these days. After more than a decade of leadership turmoil (going back to Howard/Costello jostling) voters are not over-invested in leaders. They’re hardly over-invested in politics at all. The best that can be said is they’re mostly indifferent to politics and politicians, though their sentiments are often far more vehement than that.
If voters do not seem to be disenchanted with Morrison it’s worth remembering they were never enchanted in the first place.
Plenty of time for inaction then. 🙁
Although, to be serious, I’d like to know what can be done, when the small number of billionaires who really own the world are not prepared to act.
Yeah….US politics is exceptionally brutalising. It is ferocious. So you have to hand it to anyone who wants to put their hand up to run, especially to run for the Democrats.
It is a wonder that the Democrats ever win anything….
But they can win in 2020. They need to inspire the Democratic constituencies. If they do this, they will win.
Here is how the Conservatives win elections, part 4
https://www.thestar.com/amp/vancouver/2019/10/20/extreme-right-misinformation-is-flooding-chinese-media-in-canada-and-observers-say-theres-virtually-nothing-stopping-it.html