As related by The Australian, the third Newspoll since the fall is unchanged on the second, conducted three weeks ago, in showing the Coalition with a two-party lead of 51-49. The primary votes are Coalition 43% (41.4% at the election), Labor 35% (33.4%), Greens 12% (10.4%) and One Nation 5% (3.1%, although they did not contest every seat at the election). All four are up a point compared with the previous poll, reflected in a four point drop in “others” to 5%. I’m struggling to identify the last time Newspoll had the Greens at 12% – certainly not at any point in the last term (UPDATE: It was in March 2016).
Scott Morrison is up a point on approval to 49%, after dropping three points last time, and his disapproval is up three to 39%, which is still three down on the first poll after the election. Anthony Albanese records a net negative rating for the first time, being down six on approval to 35% (after gaining two last time), and up six on disapproval to 40% (after dropping two last time). Morrison’s preferred prime minister lead is reportedly at 20%, compared with 18% last time, although the exact numbers are not yet provided (UPDATE: Morrison’s lead has increased from 48-30 to 48-28).
The poll comes with a glimmer of improved transparency, in that we are told exactly how many respondents came from its online survey (956) and automated phone poll (705) components. It was conducted from Thursday to Sunday.
Morning all,
BK thanks again for this morning’s roundup.
The MP for Chisholm Ms Lui and the allegations regarding her links to various Chinese ‘influencers’ makes for interesting if somewhat disturbing reading. Regardless of the veracity of her claims and possible loss of memory regarding whether she attended meetings, was a member of X, Y or Z organisation it could be the tip of a much larger iceberg.
There are many more cases I’m sure where MPs at the State / Federal levels were or/are members of certain pressure groups, industry bodies and so on. One just needs to look at the number of MPs with links to the IPA for example.
The increasing number of so called ‘independent’ MPs and their links, for example a Victorian state independent who stood on a ‘transport’ related ticket at the last state election is actually very closely associated with the Victorian taxi lobby and his as is now revealed main priority is to protect the taxi industry and wind back reforms.
I’ve not lived in the electorate of Chisholm for some time but my understanding is that there is some pretty powerful forces on both sides of the political spectrum in that area seeking to influence the Asian vote – particularly new arrivals.
For the sake of REAL democratic transparency there needs to be some tough questions asked of Ms Lui and others. MP Liu comes across as certainly as a smart operator and clearly has ambitions beyond the back bench. However her ‘I don’t recall’ comments on what appeared to be a pretty unimpressive interview will not cut it and the population tired of the political BS and rhetoric will see her as just another pawn or hack controlled from a ‘back office’ or more secretive operatives.
The amount of airtime devoted to various MPs and S.44 issues would I suspect still be fresh in many people’s minds.
@BK
They have been told by church PM to fold into the line.
Watermelon
It seems that you and I are on the same page on many subjects. 🙂
Bolton is one pissed off guy. He offered to resign and Trump said let’s talk about it in the morning. in meantime, Trump sends out message that he fired Bolton.
Bolton is a nasty piece of work, just like Trump. This isn’t going to be a pretty separation. How wonderment.
Zoidlord @ #1024 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 7:25 am
Unlikely. Executive appointees serve at the pleasure of the President. They can be dismissed at any time/for any reason, unless they’ve got a contract stating otherwise. And very doubtful that they’d have the latter thing. More likely that they have hugely onerous NDA clauses and basically zero power; Trump has form when it comes to exploiting people via unfair contracts.
There’s been an interesting (and frustrating) shift on this site.
Once upon a time, I could pose a question, and immediately get informed and interesting responses. Often these shifted my view – which was the purpose, as I like to road test ideas before I start making a fool of myself in public.
Now, when I pose questions, I get labelled, or accused of running a party line (at the moment, I’m out of touch; I don’t know what the party line is, so that’s particularly amusing). Worse, I don’t get an answer.
Could people please, before leaping to assumptions about the motives of others, deal with the questions asked? If the poster replied to then doesn’t shift their view, despite the strength of your evidence/argument, you then have my permission (joke, Joyce, before nath gets all hot and bothered) to call them partisan hacks or whatever.
But have the respect to treat the poster as genuine in the first place.
I doubt that Trump can enforce a Non-Disclosure Agreement against anyone in his Administration. Technically these people – whether they are White House aides or Senate-confirmed Cabinet members – are employees of the federal government, not of Trump personally.
zoomster
I agree with you. There has been a radical change in this blog. Everyone seems to be “taking positions” and there is much more aggro. I don’t think it is entirely because of the defeat by Labor. We also have some – may I call them shit-stirrers? – who prefer to make what they think are jokes rather than answer seriously.
This has effectively become the official blog of Labor Right.
Zoomster
With the degradation of politics here and around the world, it isn’t surprising that the discussion on this blog has gone the same way.
If you are on team A,team B is going to view anything team A says in a binary fashion. It is juvenile. Reflecting what is going on everywhere.
Sad state of affairs. Can’t wait for the switch to flick to sensbility again.
zoomster:
Hear, hear! Everyone seems so much more antsy and argumentative these days.
lizzie @ #1047 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 8:37 am
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/margin-call/christmas-islands-hope-of-casino-return/news-story/e3ec9c2f2cfe4972f0b4c7bae6660cb3
More to follow after I recover from a feeling of revulsion. There are some other truly nasty articles as well.
Australians like to pride themselves on “punching above their weight”.
This is the essence of self-congratulatory concepts like “The Aussie Battler”, and has been at the core of every military adventure Australians have been involved in from the Boer War to Gallipoli, Kokoda, Tobruk, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and now the Straits Of Hormuz.
Small though we are, the logic goes, we stump up time after time to do our bit, because if you want to be taken seriously as a nation, you have to be a global citizen. When it comes to the vital issues of world security and doing the right thing, everybody’s contribution counts, no matter how seemingly insignificant.
Except where it comes to Global Warming.
With Global Warming, the symbolism of being part of a worldwide effort to turn around Nature herself is of the empty kind. Advocating for change is pointless. No point even trying, say the GW naysayers.
Although Australia is the driest continent – and is getting drier and hotter – we still officially pay only lip service to international GW treaties, and provide only sham domestic policies that are mostly used to launder taxpayers’ money through political donors back to the government party again.
Briefly’s mistake is in seeing Labor’s formal association with the union movement (in the context of GW: the mining unions) as a good thing.
Undoubtedly it once was, but in the context of fast diminishing union membership is becoming nostalgic self-indulgence. The days of the grand labour movement are gone, the power and influence is a diminishing resource, a stranded asset. Labor makes an existential miscalculation clinging onto it.
This is not dissing unions, but Labor needs to face the fact that its industrial base has shrunk, and needs to be broadened. Otherwise Labor will just wither away, a historical curiosity. It’s happening already.
Joining with the Liberals in cherry-picking which particular international crusade we join, how exactly we decide to “punch above our weight”, will mean that exactly nothing gets done. A few more dollars will be squeezed out of coal, a few (a very few) jobs will be preserved, while our living environment cooks.
Is that what Briefly wants?
Quote from Uhlmann.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-understands-normal-people-want-a-boring-government-20190910-p52pqz.html
KayJay
Bless you for being willing to tread in the muck for us!
John Bolton is not going to go away quietly.
And next on the list is another swamp monster Wilbur Ross.
Victoria:
I know others have joked about it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Scott Baio is nominated next National Security Advisor!
The assertion that 0.18% is a ‘major cause’ of global heating is just factually wrong. To point this out does not make me Right winger. It does not make me a denialist. What it does in my case is to encourage me to look further at the claims and at the larger processes and factors that drive both the claim-making and the trajectory of global heating.
I can assure you that more than any other bludger I have already lost a very great deal because of global heating. The industry in which I work has been largely destroyed by climate change. It will disappear entirely within a few years. I am a witness to the past destruction of environmentally important and commercially significant marine populations because of climate change. I’m not a denialist. Very far from it. I want measures taken that will retard and then reverse global heating. Campaigning against Queensland coal is not going to achieve either of those things precisely because it is not big enough. Furthermore, the campaign we have seen so far has only made it less likely that constructive action against global heating will be taken in this country.
The campaign is entirely misdirected and counter-productive. It has not made things better. It has made them worse.
Briefly doesn’t want anything in particular, policy-wise. Whatever the Party Line of the day, that’s what he wants. The day the Labor Party supports 100% renewable energy is the day that briefly will support it.
Thinking is for splitters.
And if he is Republican Senators will usher through his confirmation with nary a peep.
Fees
I actually believe Trump is being given the semblance of being in charge these days. He isn’t trusted by anyone who is tasked with ensuring that the wheels are turning etc
W….for the remarkably little it’s worth, I am not of the Labor Right. I am of the Left. You reckon you know everything already. You don’t.
W…likewise, for the little it’s worth, I do not publish a ‘line’. Everything I state here is my own. If I rely on others, I declare it. Rather than drawing from the ‘line’, I try to write it. I have been doing that. I will continue.
Vic:
It’s testament as to how much the Republican party has become the Party of Trump that the shitshow has been allowed to go on for as long as it has. If Obama’s first term had been this batshit crazy impeachment proceedings would’ve begun long ago.
Well very left of you to point out that QLD coal contributes such a small share of greenhouse gas emissions that the industry should be greatly expanded. I’m curious how far this logic extends. Australia is a small country. Its emissions are a drop in the ocean. Cutting them is politically hard and makes bugger all difference globally. In other words, Abbott was right.
briefly
says:
Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 9:18 am
W….for the remarkably little it’s worth, I am not of the Labor Right. I am of the Left. You reckon you know everything already. You don’t.
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Briefly insists upon this. Despite his record of being particularly anti-refugee in 2013. In fact, briefly claimed that asylum seekers held by the Gillard government were not actually refugees, despite the fact that most were deemed to be so. Briefly ran the Howard line that they were ‘location shopping’.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fires-are-burning-where-they-never-used-to-burn-20190909-p52pnn.html
This is not written by a “greenie”, but by Greg Mullins, a former Fire and Rescue NSW commissioner:
lizzie @ #1065 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 9:13 am
Take 2 — More to follow as I faff about trying to delay my Wednesday vacuum cleaning chores.
My view on refugees is that they are politically-exploited by the Liberals and the Greens. They are political fodder. They are our population of political refugees. Their conspicuous punishment is carried out for domestic political purposes. We would not have this population were it not for the shameless collusion between Abbott and the Greens, who prevented Gillard from achieving an offshore settlement path.
I have worked along side and campaigned for the rights, dignity and protection of refugees. nath is just lying, as usual.
Part 3.
And on it goes – as do I – Vacuum Cleaning.
Good Morning
Zoomster
Yes. All those the Greens are evil posts.
The Labor right or LNP talking heads (I can no longer tell them apart) won’t let facts get in the way of their denial.
Instead its all repetitive posts about how bad the Greens are and that anyone who disagrees with the LNP Labor Right policies is a Paid up member of the Greens Party if not an actual Staffer with all the Greens policy documents at their fingertips.
A double standard that reasonable mistakes and learning not offered to people on this blog who are seen to be Labor right friendly.
Labor seems to be shifting about on ‘climate emergency’. I know Fitzgibbon is defending coal in the Hunter, but Mark Butler?
Fess
Trump has been able to go on so long as many main players in the GOP are corrupt and very much compromised. Just think of Devin Nunes and the games he has played throughout this saga.
They are treasonous traitors. Simple as that
A new CNN poll has backed yesterdays WPABC poll with Trump approval slumping. The Approval rating differential is -16 and -18 respectively.
They match highly ranked Quinnipiac and IBD/TIPP from a few weeks ago.
Safe to say a sustained drop.
Boerwar says:
Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 7:17 pm
ar
I am happy for you to do a better estimate of how many state government jobs the $5 billion in royalties supports per annum.
Go torture your own numbers!
It is my view it is over, demand for coal is falling, and it needs to. What we should be doing is working out what to replace the 5 billion with. We should not be accelerating the decline in the revenues by pushing supply offshore, it will not reduce demand. OK it would be nice for trump, some US miners wold get heir jobs back, as he promised.
It will have close to zero effect on the demand for coal, it will have a devastating effect on the state ability to deal with the issue.
Because of the Greens we have a pantomime.
One nation went to the US to get a deal on guns, perhaps the Greens went to get a deal on moving miner’s jobs to the USA. and got it.
lizzie @ #1083 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 9:34 am
Careful, lizzie!
You’ll trigger yet another deluge from the usual suspects about how Labor has not “backflipped” on coal or global warming 🙁
briefly
says:
Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 9:31 am
My view on refugees is that they are politically-exploited by the Liberals and the Greens. They are political fodder. They are our population of political refugees. Their conspicuous punishment is carried out for domestic political purposes. We would not have this population were it not for the shameless collusion between Abbott and the Greens, who prevented Gillard from achieving an offshore settlement path.
I have worked along side and campaigned for the rights, dignity and protection of refugees. nath is just lying, as usual.
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Here is briefly advocating that Australia withdraw from the U.N Convention on Refugees so that the Labor government can impose law and order:
briefly
says:
Sunday, June 9, 2013 at 10:00 pm
We should withdraw from the Convention. Then we may offer refuge to those who we know to be displaced, rather than those who simply claim to be. If the flow of asylum-seekers was emanating from a neighbouring territory, then we would have an immediate and irrefutable obligation to receive and provide haven for them. But this is not the situation.
W….the price of coal is falling. Mines are closing. This is a good thing. The problem is not closing mines, it is finding a viable transition to a more sustainable economy for the affected miners and their communities. The Green campaign – a moralistic, sneering, condescending, anti-worker campaign – has made this more difficult to conceive and enact.
We are going to do what we can in WA to accelerate the adoption of renewables, to de-carbonise the atmosphere, to fund the transition from coal, to electrify transport….among other things. Were it left to the Greens, none of these things could occur. Not one of them.
briefly didn’t like all those people being called ‘refugees’, so he wanted Australia to withdraw from the convention so that they could not be treated as refugees. Obviously we have a fascist here.
lizzie @ #1078 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 9:26 am
What I have noticed is just how many people – people who either do the science or experience directly what is happening – are now using the “c-” word 🙁
briefly
says:
I have worked along side and campaigned for the rights, dignity and protection of refugees.
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So he claims. But what is a fact is that he was sick of all these asylum seekers being found to be refugees so he wanted Australia to withdraw from the convention so that they could be treated more harshly and despatched as quickly as possible.
lizzie
I heard Greg Mullins on the DRUM, he was focusing on the issue, not wanking on about a mine that will never open. If we had more plain talking Greg Mullins and less Green stunts we would be in a much better position.
briefly @ #1068 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 9:15 am
No, it just make you a fool 🙁
The Greens and the Liberals, capitalising on the errors of Rudd, made great profits from the influx of refugees. We should have withdrawn from the Convention. The flow of claimants would have ceased. We would not have the population of political prisoners that is now held in our prisons offshore. Many people would not have drowned.
The Convention has been entirely circumvented in any case.
lizzie
Labor should be looking at the Democratic Primaries.
Biden is crashing and burning due to supporting fossil fuels. He went to a fossil fuel fundraiser after the Climate Town Hall. He has lost the climate people. That includes a lot of black people. His trajectory in the polls has been downwards.
That fundraising will be raised in the debate. People forget that Warren was a debate champion in her past. This will be the first time she will be on the same podium as Biden. Some are hoping that Sanders and Warren won’t attack Biden.
They are dreaming. Warren and Sanders showed exactly this at the last debate and won comprehensively with their team up. Biden and his gaffes are toast. The other candidates won’t get there.
Already the media is running how good Warren looks as for them she reflects their view not that of the voters.
The Democrats are going to have a socialist President. One that is going to take on the fossil fuel industries. One that is going to take on the corporations. Its just is it the one that said I am a Capitalist or the one that does not worry about being called a Socialist.
Labor picking the back coal is like the Brazil opposition picking lets keep burning the Amazon Rain Forest.
All I see from this is a long long road to real action on climate change in this country and that due to donor money Australia will be the poor white trash of Asia as a result. Politically the Greens will become the new Party of government in the long term. Of course that will be too late to save Australia from having fallen behind with all the trade sanctions and other actions the world will take just as its contemplating doing with Brazil today.
P1
It does concern me that in their haste to prove to the media that Labor has “learned the lessons from defeat”, they may drop some bloody good policies.
@climatecouncil tweets
New @TheAusInstitute report: 80% of Australians realise we are already experiencing the impacts of climate change.
The current unprecedented bushfire conditions are part of a long-term trend, being driven by climate change. #auspol
https://www.tai.org.au/content/climate-nation-climate-change-concern-hits-81
W….the price of coal is falling. Mines are closing. This is a good thing.
Yes, it is indeed the perfect time to open up one of the largest unexploited reserves of thermal coal on Earth, right on top of the largest artesian basin in the world. Who could possibly be so moralistic, sneering and condescending as to think that’s a bad idea.
briefly,
You must have the Green’s cabal extremely concerned with your determined efforts to put put your views and their equally determined and pathetic attempts to silence you.
Give them buggery mate!