The Courier-Mail/Sunday Mail has followed up yesterday’s YouGov Galaxy state results, which were covered here, with the federal voting intention findings from the same poll. This records the Coalition with a 55-45 lead in the state, from primary votes of Coalition 40%, Labor 29%, One Nation 13% and Greens 12%. However, Scott Morrison records a commanding 46-23 over Anthony Albanese as preferred prime minister.
According to taste, you can interpret the voting intention results as:
• An improvement for Labor on the election result, at which the Coalition recorded a thumping 58.6-41.4 two-party preferred win in the state, from primary votes of Coalition 43.7%, Labor 26.7%, Greens 10.3% and One Nation 8.9%;
• A surge to the Coalition compared with the last YouGov Galaxy poll from Queensland, which was conducted a week-and-a-half before the May 18 election and proved, like all pre-election polling from the state, to be very badly astray. That poll had the Coalition leading 51-49, from primary votes of Coalition 38%, Labor 33%, Greens 9% and One Nation 9%.
The latter result, which was similar to Newspoll state breakdowns of the time, is worth revisiting, as it more-or-less accurately predicted the vote shares for the minor parties (albeit a shade too low for the Greens), and may have done well enough for the major parties among women – but it very clearly dropped the ball among Queensland men, who plainly didn’t come close to the dead even two-party split attributed to them by the poll.
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Lizzie, that quote of Simon Birmingham’s about 9 supporting the Libs with their fundraiser must surely mean that 9 is an “Associted entity” under that legislation they tried to use against GetUp.
C@t
I agree with much of what you say, but I think Toohey’s premise is that all politicians are being conned by ASIO and the secret squirrels, and that the draconian laws are detrimental to our society.
timdunlop
@timdunlop
Nope.
The #HomeToBilo family have gone all the way to the High Court, and lost.
Their remaining options are ministerial intervention, or leave.
Maude Lynne
Birmingham seems to have absorbed his role as the Coalition spruiker so deep into his soul that he can’t see the political danger of his statement!
BW
The Labour members can dream. The majority will back Corbyn’s version of Brexit before May’s. The Remainers joined with Labor have the majority for crafting that legislation. That includes Nicola Sturgeon.
Confessions says:
Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 8:48 am
No need for an indefinite article, there is only one! 🙂
Johnson’s main concern is not Labour. It’s Farage and the Brexit party.
Farage will only accept a No Deal Brexit. I think Johnson will want a strategic deal with Brexit Party during the election as the only way to protect the Conservatives.
The remainers are hopelessly split.
guytaur says:
Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 9:24 am
When did Sturgeon gain a seat in Westminster?
Barney
If you think the Westminster Scottish SNP are not going to talk with Sturgeon you are not paying attention.
Swamp.
The vote Johnson lost means its Corbyn crafting the legislation not Johnson. Thats what giving control of the agenda to him means.
Boerwar says:
Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 9:15 am
My guess is that Johnson is getting exactly what Cumming, Farage and the English Raving Looney Right want: an english populist election run as a referendum between hard Brexit and May’s Brexit.
Johnson has split the Tories. If he’s foolish enough to go to an election he risks everything. There’s no majority in the electorate for No Deal. There is no taste for an election either. The Tories will have to run against their own rebels as well as Labour, the Lib-Dems and Farage. They will likely get smashed. The Brexit Party have yet to win any significant election contest but they will spoil the Tories.
There is no love for Corbyn, but he can promise not to take the UK out of the EU without a deal and propose to have it ratified in a plebiscite. This will bring Remainers and those who oppose No Deal together. That might be enough to get Corbyn into office on a power-sharing basis with the SNP, the Lib-Dems and some Indies.
Tricot @ #1349 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 9:17 am
Substitute Labor for Labour, Aus for UK and change a few names and localities we end up with the same situation here.
briefly
The next big test will be Johnson’s attempt to table legislation to go to an election.
That fixed term thing means Johnson can’t just call an election he needs to legislate to do it. Corbyn may deny that to maximise the humiliation time for Johnson.
The only doubt is will Corbyn have the numbers to deny election legislation?
I do agree with your summation of an election result except maybe Labour will win a majority in its own right.
guytaur
I am unsure about what the interaction with the Fixed Term Act means. I know it requires an effective agreement of the opposition to go early but the Bill is not yet legislated.
Presumably, Johnson will look to engineer an election ASAP and if he wins a majority, possibly with the Brexit Party, he will just repeal or amend.
I am sure the Queen will not commission Corbyn.
guytaur says:
Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 9:38 am
That you suggest they need to, indicates you’re probably paying less.
Jaeger @ #1355 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 9:22 am
Option 3 – disappear from Christmas Island, return to Australia, keep a low profile and evade the authorities.
Swamp
We know how this works. See Australian parliaments balance of power changing and new PM’s without elections. Thats the Westminster system and if Corbyn can engineer the situation of No Deal or PM Corbyn he will do that. This term has just started. The Tories are irrevocably split.
Thats why I say its the next big test of numbers for Johnson. If his attempt to get to an election fails Corbyn becomes the PM. The House will be giving a vote of confidence to him.
Edit: Remember its who commands the numbers on the floor of the House that decides who is PM. All Corbyn has to do is get support to pass a budget.
Barney
Indeed could well be. However I think that means we are both paying more attention than the Labour dreamers.
Barney
Indeed could well be. However I think that means we are both paying more attention than the Labour dreamers.
Okay, their remaining legal options. 😉
swamprat @ #1359 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 9:35 am
Yep, just like Labor and Greens. It’s the same story everywhere.
The various left-wing flavors think they can gain something by fighting amongst themselves, and by doing so create an environment where the right can get easy win after easy win.
One thing that should be apparent is how different is the politics in the various UK nations. This whole crisis is an English national crisis manipulated by the powerful who want more unconstrained economic power.
It’s an extension of the liberal wet dream which is consuming, and reinforcing the decline of, the anglophone world.
guytaur
I cannot see the rebel Tory MPs supporting Corbyn as PM. The SNP MPs might support Corbyn in exchange for a section 30 order. Some Labour Party officials have hinted as much.
Jaeger
The child in question was born in Australia. This is a test of can people born in Australia be denied citizenship?
Set the precedent and Labor in power could deport Frydenberg or others who are part of that second generation whose parents came here
guytaur
It will require about one half of Labour’s MPsto bring about an election.
@ConversationEDU tweets
Australia has been paying more money out to the rest of the world than we took in for 44 straight years, since September 1975.
Until today. @1petermartin explains why: https://bit.ly/2kqeWvu
lizzie @ #1353 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 9:21 am
So Paul Keating was right!?! No wonder the dirt came out about Katherine Keating, Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew. 😉
Terribly weak AUD?
Scomo (unlike Hawke) does not want Hong Kong migrant to come here if things go bad with China. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-cool-on-plan-to-offer-safe-haven-from-hong-kong-protests-20190904-p52nr2.html
Why not? They would be genuine refugees. The average Hong Kong resident is richer than the average South African, and better educated. Unemployment among Hong Kong born Australian residents is extremely low, as is the crime rate. They are even mostly christian. So why would you say yes to one group and not the other? Is Scomo a racist?
There needs to be 2/3 of the House of Commons vote for an early election. Corbyn has stated that Labour will not vote for that unless the Bill to disallow a No Deal Brexit is passed.
So we are at a stalemate.
I bet Dr Kevin Bonham, the chess master, is loving this. 🙂
Gratitude to whoever introduced me to John Crace in The Guardian. Thank god for humour.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/clown-prince-johnson-cowers-in-the-face-of-the-rebel-alliance
lizzie @ #1383 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 10:17 am
Thanks, lizzie. I don’t think it was me, but he’s good value, for sure.
AR
Nope. Superannuation.
Boris Johnson is a bona fide shameless liar and I would suggest that he has workshopped for all scenarios.
If I were team labour,I would not support a general election, even if legislation were passed prior to the election ensuring that a no deal brexit is off the table.
Cos based on an election taking place on 14th October and assuming that then the Tories would win with a majority, what’s stopping them drawing up and passing legislation prior to the deadline of 19th October, taking the no deal brexit legislation off the table.
I wouldn’t trust Boris as far as I could throw him.
C@t
Unless something changes soon and quick, Corbyn is an even bigger liability than Boris.
Can I also make the observation that, in her typically weak and craven way, Theresa May voted with the very people today that plotted for her downfall as British PM. She couldn’t even show a tenth of the spine that Phillip Hammond and Oliver Letwin have.
Victoria @ #1386 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 10:20 am
This is indeed the likely scenario. However, as the election will become a de facto referendum on whether to vote for a Hard Brexit(Tory), or a Soft Brexit(Labour), then it’s not so cut and dried whether the electorate will support the Tories.
Guytaur,
From
https://www.acacia-au.com/australian-citizenship.php
“Birth in Australia
If you were born in Australia, then you would automatically be an Australian citizen if:
You were born in Australia prior to 20 August 1986; OR
You were born in Australia after 20 August 1986, and one of your parents held Australian citizenship or an Australian permanent residence visa at the time of birth; OR
You were born in Australia after 20 August 1986, neither of your parents held Australian citizenship or an Australian permanent residence visa, but you have spent the majority of your life in Australia prior to your 10th birthday. In this case, you automatically become an Australian citizen on your 10th birthday.
Born Overseas to an Australian Citizen Parent”
Victoria @ #1387 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 10:21 am
Why? He’s done pretty well so far. He’s gotten Labour into the position of supporting what the 1st referendum decided = Leave and also on the side of a Soft Brexit, which most people seem to want.
C@t
He is very unpopular in the UK, even within his own party and Labour party voters. They voted a no confidence in him and he refused to step down.
Huge mistake. The Lib-Dems have gained massively off this, Labor not so much. Or at all.
ML
My point is Labor could change the legislation.
Set the precedent of being born in Australia is not automatic citizenship and bye bye to the security most of us take for granted. Its only legislation not a constitutional requirement.
Or are you quoting the Constitution?
a r says:
Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 9:57 am
swamprat @ #1359 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 9:35 am
The remainers are hopelessly split.
Yep, just like Labor and Greens. It’s the same story everywhere.
The various left-wing flavors think they can gain something by fighting amongst themselves, and by doing so create an environment where the right can get easy win after easy win.
Yes. Exactly so. Tell it the f*37363t2r251 Greens, who persist with their endless attacks on Labor. Official business if you’re a Green politician is deriding Labor. This is how they make their political living.
Victoria @ #1394 Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 – 10:26 am
I’d file that under, ‘That was then and this is now’. Iirc, that was due to the AntiSemitism row in Labour, wasn’t it?
Victoria
No thats what the right wing press has been writing. Members votes are clear. Corbyn keeps winning them.
I haven’t posted in ages, because I’ve been too traumatised by the election result and haven’t recovered. Luckily, there’s no better therapy than seeing someone worse off than one’s self, so I’d like to make the following observation.
Aren’t the Poms lucky they voted against changing their electoral system a few years back? Just think, if they’d opted for preferential voting, they might now have a parliament that’s completely chaotic and unstable. Hahahahahaha!
Oh, it’s a lovely day for schadenfreude.