Another two bite the dust

Party deregistrations, issues polling, and locally relevant discussion of the performance of online pollsters in the US.

Some unrelated electoral news nuggets to keep things ticking over:

• The Australian Electoral Commission has announced the deregistration of two right-wing minor parties, the more newsworthy of which was Cory Bernardi’s decision to decommission Australian Conservatives. This party owed its party registration to Bernardi’s position in the Senate, rather than its having 500 members, so the matter was entirely in his hands. In a sense, this also means an end to Family First, which won Senate seats at the 2004, 2013 and 2016 elections and had a presence in the South Australian upper house from 2002 to 2017, when it merged with Bernardi’s newly formed outfit. However, Family First appeared to lose energy as evangelical Christians increasingly preferred to direct their organisational efforts towards the Liberal Party, and was dominated in its later years by deep-pocketed former Senator Bob Day. Even further afield, the Rise Up Australia party, associated with controversial pastor Danny Nalliah of Catch the Fire Ministries, has voluntarily deregistered.

• JWS Research has released the latest results in its occasional series on issue salience, recording only one particularly noteworthy movement over the past three surveys: defence, security and terrorism, which only 20% now rate in the top five issues most warranting the attention of the federal government, down from 23% in February and 29% in November. “Performance index” measures for the government across the various issue areas have recorded little change post-election, except that “vision, leadership and quality of government” is up from 35% to 42% (which is still the fifth lowest out of 20 designated issue areas). The survey was conducted from June 26-30 from a sample of 1000.

• In the New York Times’ Upshot blog, Nate Cohn casts a skeptical eye over the record of online polling in the United States. It notes a Pew Research finding that YouGov’s “synthetic sampling” method achieves the best results out of the online pollsters, by which it “selects individuals from its panel of respondents, one by one, to match the demographic profile of individual Americans”. Another survey that performed relatively well, VoteCast, did so by concurrently conducting a huge sample phone poll, results of which were used to calibrate the online component.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. zoomster

    That’s true, but the SSM survey also brought out the ‘radical conservatives’ who seem to have gained a lot of power. See also the Monkey Pods.

  2. The IPA also has more overt power in Parliament.

    In an influential warning for some Liberals and Nationals, the Institute of Public Affairs warned against the changes on Wednesday.

    “Proposals to insert race into our nation’s founding document are radical, illiberal, and a violation of all principles of racial equality. Race has no place in Australia’s Constitution,” said IPA research director Daniel Wild.

    This is so childish. Why should the original inhabitants not be acknowledged?

  3. lizzie

    I did like Ken Wyatt’s analogy of its recognising the other parent of the country. I guess that means the Indigenous Parent is the father if the UK is the Mother Country.

  4. lizzie @ #893 Thursday, July 11th, 2019 – 6:19 am

    Someone on The Drum last night kept insisting that the fact that Australia passed the original referendum on Indigenous recognition meant that they would be well-intentioned on the next one.

    This is not the same Australia.

    Mumble has written before that the 1967 referendum on Aboriginal constitutional recognition was the ‘feel good’ question to the main referendum question which was soundly defeated, and which most people now forget. That main referendum question was to allow the HoR to be expanded in numbers without proportionate coinciding increase in Senators.

    https://insidestory.org.au/and-the-rest-say-no/

  5. Albanese charged in trying to score political points against Setka. With no real thought as to the implications of his intervention and all about showing how tough he is Albanese has made a complete balls up of the whole issue.

    “ Setka will be gone by July 5 “ union buster Albanese boasted to all who would listen. Well , after having his pants pulled down over that prediction Albanese doubled up and claimed “ Setka will be gone by July 15 “. The clock is ticking on that claim so we will see how it plays out after Setka has his day in court today.

    At a time when the Morrison government with its corruption and incompetence spilling out day after day should be the focus Albanese, Setka and labor are front and centre.

    There was no need for the Setka issue to get to this. It was being handled within the union movement but Albanese, by his poor judgement and obvious attempt to show how tough he was, has turned a relatively low key, internal union process to remove Setka into one of national prominence.

    Morrison, business groups and others must be laughing and patting themselves on the backs as “ big bad union bovver boys “ takes front and centre in the MSM just as Morrison decides to reintroduce anti union legislation into Parliament.

  6. ZOIDLORD
    YOU DO KNOW THAT THOSE APARTMENTS WERE BUILT DURING THE TERM OF THE LAST LABOR GOVERNMENT, DON’T YOU?

  7. Morning all. Thanks BK. Whilst I can agree with Sprocket on the irony of Barnaby using the phrase barking mad, he is shamelessly lying about a serious issue, having seen bullions wasted on the MDB plan. Shame on New England voters.

  8. @HRC tweets

    “Being on a huge platform like Netflix let’s my little queer, disabled show be seen all across the world to people who wouldn’t normally have access to a show like this. .” – Ryan O’Connell (@ryanoconn) https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1149090927723667457/video/1

    This is what Shelton is fighting against and losing in a big way. The question is will we see a return of McCarthyism trying to shut diverse voices up under the demonising label of terrorism this time instead of communism or will it be you are anti semitic for not supporting Israel. Yes I am reaching for a comparison but I think you get the idea.

  9. Guytaur

    “…….. will we see a return of McCarthyism…”

    ————

    Guytaur, do you so identify with a certain North American country that you have grafted its history onto Australia?

  10. You’d think that in a parallel universe, if the world’s most renowned naturalist and major media personality, came out and explicitly condemned the Australian government’s climate change ‘policies’, it would be worthy of a mention on the public broadcaster’s news outlets.

    Happy to be proven wrong, but I haven’t seen a mention.

    ABC news is gutless, cowed, compliant and useless.

  11. Guytaur

    So, how do we “…… RETURN to McCarthyism”?

    McCarthy, as far as I know, was a US Senator waging a campaign against communism in the US.

    In Australia, the population defeated a Menzies Government referendum to outlaw the Communist Party.

  12. Nicholas says:
    Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:20 pm
    “The federal government has resurrected its heavily-delayed plan to introduce a broadband tax, with the laws expected to be in place before parliament wraps up for the year.”

    Bad idea. We don’t need any more taxes when we have so much unused capacity.

    We have 700,000 unemployed people.
    We have 1.1 million under-employed people.
    We have 1.1 million people who are marginally attached to the labour force.

    Labour repression is a deliberate policy of the Liberals. They will exploit this. They won the election in May by exploiting the fear of unemployment. In the hands of the Liberals the unemployed are objects of shame and contempt.

    Nicholas, join Labor.

  13. swamprat

    I was referring to the US. My comment about Shelton was that the Netflix platform is international even if based in the US.

    Thats a reality we have to face until we get local regulation making it regional only. Something I hope doesn’t happen as I hate geoblocking

  14. Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young was interviewed this morning on ABC RN Breakfast re MDB plan:

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/big-business-is-gaming-the-system-hanson-young/11298322

    ‘Big business is gaming the system’ in Murray-Darling Basin, Hanson-Young says
    :::
    One of those critics is Greens Senator Sarah Hanson Young who has spent the past few days in the Riverina, speaking with farmers in Griffith, Leeton and Deniliquin.

  15. Good morning and thanks BK for the Dawn Patrol.

    Fairly depressing reading in some places.
    However — on the traditional science front we have news to thrill the hearts of anthropologists almost everywhere. The following is an example

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-07-11/modern-humans-in-eurasia-earlier/11296454

    Dr Joannes-Boyau said the history of human evolution was clearly much more complex that what we’d previously thought, and our understanding of it has completely changed in the past 10 years.

    And he said it’s not impossible that we might find Homo sapiens fossils of similar age to the Moroccan remains in Europe or Asia at around the same time.

    “Homo sapiens… is extremely clever, extremely resourceful, opportunistic,” he said.

    The resourcefulness is demonstrated by local OzScience practitioners wot are bent on a time reversal scheme which claims that those who have part/completed their Western Civilization Studies degree know stuff and should have their views given superior recognition and applause. Time reversal about 1953 is the initial scheme.

    Close examination of the photo above reveals that the LH image belongs to a modern human with advanced reverse sharing syndrome which, simply put says that what’s mine I’m keeping and what’s yours should be mine.
    Back to the photo – the hole (millions of years in the making) – an evolutionary leap forward (backwards/sideways) is covered with an extremely thin skin and has allowed millennia of wall meet head episodes to create brain changes (amygdala enlargements). The owners of this type of skull exhibit traits noted today in News Roundups where incompetent and seemingly completely stupid people (Dickheadus Australius) vow to turn back recognition of others. They’re out to get me is the battlecry as the doughty warriors arm themselves and prepare to defend their rights.
    Youse bastards are just envious
    and from now on I’m keeping the bike and telling my mother on youse.
    For the artistic souls among us there is an excellent photo (multi coloured) in the article.

    Song for today (Ella Fitzgerald -wasn’t she wondereful :?:)

    ♫ Why can’t you behave?
    Oh, why can’t ♪ you behave?
    After ♫ all the things you ♪ told me,
    And the ♫ promises that ♫ you gave,
    Oh, ♫ why can’t you ♪ behave?

    ☕☕

  16. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/11/actu-lobbies-crossbenchers-to-oppose-coalitions-unfair-union-busting-bill

    Unions have begun lobbying the Senate crossbench to oppose the Coalition’s ensuring integrity bill, as Labor confirms it will stand firm against the rejigged legislation.

    The attorney general, Christian Porter, has named the union crackdown his first industrial relations priority, capitalising on the crisis gripping the CFMMEU while the Victorian secretary, John Setka, fights his expulsion from the Labor party.

    The revamped legislation, which Porter said was a “major test for Labor’s leadership”, was introduced into the House of Representatives last week and has now been referred to the Senate employment committee.

    and predictably Porter beats Labor about the head with:

    “We have heard the new Labor leader, Anthony Albanese, and others within his party, roundly condemn John Setka of the CFMMEU. Now it is time for Mr Albanese and Labor to prove they’re not all talk and back their words with action.”

    All because Albanese couldn’t STFU about Setka who was being dealt with by the ACTU behind the scenes.

    Own wedge and politically not smart.

  17. Sam Maiden reports that Barnaby Joyce says the idea Australia can stop climate change is “barking mad”, and global warming is a better problem than the next ice age. HE’S what’s mad!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2019/07/10/barnaby-joyce-climate-change/

    National policy is to take no action wrt climate change. The Liberals derive political benefits from this. They will continue to defile the environment of political purposes. The Liberals run the country. We have to get used to this. Dysfunction on the left of centre and the weighting of the economy’s reliance on the fossil fuel sector means we will continue to grow emissions very strongly. This is inevitable. There is absolutely nothing that can be done about this without changing the government. But there will be no change in the government until dysfunction on the Left is resolved. This is very obviously never going to happen.

  18. Sir David Attenborough’s comments do not seem to be getting much of a run in Australia apart from The Guardian and News.com.au. Nothing in the SMH, Telecrap or Australian that I can see.

    They are getting attention in the UK.

  19. […Setka who was being dealt with by the ACTU behind the scenes]

    John Setka has a taste for litigation. As does the CFMMEU.

    The battle between Setka and the ALP, at the cost of their finite resources, would have just been a battle between Setka and the ACTU if Albanese had not intervened.

  20. swamprat

    We live in a global world. Ignore the lessons of fights happening in the US we repeat them here. The right is running a cooridanted global campaign. We have Steve Bannon’s word for it and I am glad to say in Europe he seems to have failed.

    Like it or not the US is where the fight seems to be at its most intense at the moment thanks to Trump.

  21. The Liberals taste in union-busting pre-dates Setka. It goes back to at least the 1850s. It pre-dates Albo. It will outlive us all. The Liberals exist in order to bust unions. That is what the Liberals have been designed to do.

    Nevertheless, the Greens will blame Albo for the busting bill now going through the Parliament. That is what the Greens do. That is what they are designed for. They will blame Labor for the acts of the Liberals. They are well-drilled in that.

    Until this ceases, there will be nothing but Liberal governments. We have to get used to this. We have a one-party system at the Federal level. No Federal Labor Government will be elected. If one were to be elected, it will not be allowed to survive and enact its program. This is the paradigm.

  22. shellbell

    would have just been a battle between Setka and the ACTU if Albanese had not intervened.

    True, but Albanese made a big song and dance in public in his attempts at being seen as a ‘strongman’ soon after being elected as Labor’s leader, and hung it on those supposed comments by Setka re Batty.

    Own wedge and politically stupid.

  23. Briefly

    When Labor does bad its fair enough for it to be attacked by other parties and yes that includes the Greens.

    Labor doesn’t want that don’t do bad things. Its not the Greens fault that Albanese has acted as he has right or wrong.

  24. C@t

    I have no obsession with you, but just an abhorrence of your perpetually bad behaviour here, which Mr Bowe has described quite comprehensively on 4 or 5 occasions now in recent times, and warned you to cease.

    You abuse, you snark, you smear, you attack newbies, more than anyone on the blog. Then you claim victimhood in terms of the alter at hand, and when necessary, in life generally. And you frequently post inaccurate information from your “insider” sources.

    Even today, you post about ALP voting eligibility rules, and when the inaccuracy is pointed out, someone else is really at fault.

    So don’t think aligning me wth Rex and Nath and Greens and anyone else on your hit list excuses your conduct.

    I side 100% with Mr Bowe. He is one of the few here who have got your measure. It is simply that you need to think before you type, and stop typing rubbish and vitriol.

  25. Fascinating KayJay,

    Has your research suggested any source for the “it’s not my fault” defensive reflex?

  26. Truly ROFL listening to some UK pollie talking of the relationship between the UK and the US as being ‘a partnership between equals’.
    Fixed BK’s intro..

    ;Donald Trump’s role in the Washington ambassador’s exit has driven a stake through the heart of the UK’s postwar self-image delusion writes Martin Kettle.

  27. Shell bell

    Yes, about Albanese’s intervention.

    But he seems to have backed off a bit as far as public statements go. Maybe he now realises he walked in to an unwinnable spiderweb. That would show some insight.

    Or is he stupidly digging the hole deeper behind the scene????

  28. guytaur says:
    Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 9:44 am
    Briefly

    When Labor does bad its fair enough for it to be attacked by other parties and yes that includes the Greens.

    Labor doesn’t want that don’t do bad things. Its not the Greens fault that Albanese has acted as he has right or wrong.

    Labor has won from Opposition just 4 times since WW1. Of these four times, Labor survived and succeeded in office just once – the Hawke Success. Until the dysfunction on the Left is resolved there will never be another Federal Labor Government. If Labor were to win, the combined numbers of the Liberals and their clones, including the Greens, will mean such a Government will not be allowed to survive. It will be destroyed. This is the lesson of Australian political history. The Liberals run this country. They do so these days with the support of the Greens.

  29. Briefly

    Keep blaming Greens for Labor mistakes and see Labor keep losing. Its that simple.
    Thats how wrong you are on this.

  30. Yes poroti, I found it not uncommon when I lived there to be left, after a conversation, with the impression that the British Empire still existed.

  31. While the die is cast, those who kept advocating for Albo over Shorten might be seeing some of the reasons why we thought Shorten was the better leader (as against Labor warrior).

    Not say Albo won’t get over the teething pains, but his first forays are not impressing me much. Shorten’s grip on party discipline has been lost a bit with the change.

    That said – I’ll wait and see. I like Albo as a Labor man – I just don’t think he is cut out to be a strong leader.

  32. “A gross act of environmental vandalism”

    Kate Smolski, the chief executive of the Nature Conservation Council of NSW, said stripping protections from the park would be “a gross act of environmental vandalism”.

    “These magnificent forests are protected because they are struggling after decades of logging and grazing, impacts that are being multiplied by climate change, water diversions and drought,” she said.

    “This government has the worst record for creating national parks in the past 50 years but stripping protections from the river red gums national park would be an unprecedented low.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/11/nsw-deputy-premier-vows-to-open-up-murray-valley-national-park-to-logging

  33. briefly

    Labor voting for flat taxation and other neoliberal economic policies and consolidating media power and the like will end social democracy in Australia not the Greens/

    Your mischievous posts are getting very very tiresome. Go get some therapy to deal with political reality please. It will help you end all these delusional postings. Like it or not the Greens are for Social Democracy and have advocated for it with ICAC Multi Member voting systems and wanting more diverse voices in our parliament.

    You are just wrong

  34. “The IPA also has more overt power in Parliament.

    In an influential warning for some Liberals and Nationals, the Institute of Public Affairs warned against the changes on Wednesday.

    “Proposals to insert race into our nation’s founding document are radical, illiberal, and a violation of all principles of racial equality. Race has no place in Australia’s Constitution,” said IPA research director Daniel Wild.

    This is so childish. Why should the original inhabitants not be acknowledged?”

    My guess is that the IPA is largely funded by mining interests and nasty bigots such as Gina (who still has not recognised her indigenous half-sister and whose dad promoted sterilisation of indigenous people as a ‘solution’ to ‘the problem’). The IPA does not want to see anything that strengthens land/resource rights to indigenous people. Why else would they feel the need to weigh in on this issue? this is the same reason the nats and nasty right wing ‘liberals’ will not allow this to have bipartisan support.

  35. shellbell

    The problem with the Setka thing is where does Labor draw the line in standing up for rights? Its track record is not great.

    So yes a lot of union people are seeing a weak Labor party instead of a smart Labor party.

  36. Sydney commuters could eventually walk straight through ticket barriers without having to scan their Opal card, according to Transport Minister Andrew Constance who believes “frictionless” payments will arrive in the “not too distant future”.

    Outlining his vision for the future of the state’s transport system in a speech to the Sydney Institute last night, Mr Constance said facial recognition technology could be used to scan customers who have “opted in” and linked their Opal account, removing the need to tap on.

    He also said digital identity verification will eventually be integrated with biometric recognition, allowing people to gain access to places using technology that reads their read face, retina, breath, gait or voice.

    “Think truly contactless payments — entry to buildings, onto planes, at banks and hotels,” he added.

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/transport-minister-andrew-constance-reveals-frictionless-opal-card-payments-will-arrive/news-story/b3b69f2d775f35351dc5bd2b63548d8d

    __________________________

    Scott Ludlam
    ‏absolutely nobody asked for this. fire these people and their dystopian facial recognition system into the sun

    how is it that it’s the ‘small government unhindered freedom of the individual’ types who are so keen to roll this stuff over everyone?

    controversial opinion: make public transport free using some of the money we use to subsidise private cars, and then the whole rationale for this surveillance overkill vanishes

    absolutely nobody asked for this. fire these people and their dystopian facial recognition system into the sun

  37. “Waverley council member Sally Betts told the Daily Telegraph councillors had been “misled” after council officers told them organisers were happy with the design of the new footpath.”

    So, these brilliant councillors didn’t think to ask the organisers themselves, or invite them to address council in one of it’s sessions, but took the word of some council officer that everything was hunky dory.

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/jul/11/sculpture-by-the-sea-threatens-to-leave-bondi-after-dispute-over-new-path

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