The Australian reports Newspoll has closed its 2018 account with another crushing 55-45 lead for Labor, from primary votes of Coalition 35% (up one), Labor 41% (up one), Greens 9% (steady) and One Nation 7% (down one). Scott Morrison edges to net negative territory on his personal ratings, being down one on approval to 42% and up three on disapproval to 45%. Bill Shorten is respectively down one to 36% and up one to 51%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is 44-36, narrowing from 46-34. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1731.
“The trials are definitely consecutive. This one is over and there’s another evidently in March. Neither side wanted a single trial on both sets of charges.”
The Americans have no trouble holding consecutive trials, while publicising the verdict, ask Manafort
Maybe American jurors are brighter than our judges.
S
I do believe I would rather not base our practices upon the various US systems of justice.
Sceptic @ #2749 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 6:41 pm
Go and live in America then.
If the next trial is a hung jury, it could really be a while before the suppression is lifted. The media is trying to have it overturned before then.
‘Bushfire Bill says:
Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 5:54 pm
I think the idea is to raid the conservative Muslim voters of the band of Western Sydney Labor electorates that voted No in the SSM survey. A sort of behind the lines attack.’
I understand that Mr Porter has gone out of his way to make the point that there is religious freedom and then there is religious freedom. He has opined that muslims will not be able to claim religious freedom in relation to face covering in court rooms.
The Coalition is after the Queensland seats and the PHON preferences and, to that end, no muslim will be left in peace. Besides the peak muslim bodies are so pissed off with Morrison that they are all still refusing to meet with him.
Yet another NRL player charged with sexual assault.
They should just shut the NRL down altogether.
So the Washington Post has the Pell story, all of it & it’s accessable to Australians , the WP not blocking it even though they know where you are accessing it from
I’ve chosen not to post the link because it contains the result of court case in its banner .
GG
So I assume you are saying that if you were selected for jury duty you would be so simple as to be influenced by the previous case.
Just shows how little regard Jeff Bezos has for the law here 😉
The WP banner is Democracy Dies in Darkness, it would appear justice also dies in darkness at least in Victoria.
Sceptic @ #2757 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 6:50 pm
Please don’t project your personal failings on others.
The issue is that we are a law based society. WB has to comply with the suppression order. You might want to consider your host when you decide to pontificate about an active case that could cause damage to your host.
Rex Douglas @ #2722 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 2:15 pm
Says the one who first posted about the event and then tried to argue there was no problem. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
From the WP…
Peter Saunders, a founding member of Ending Clergy Abuse, said that the secrecy surrounding the case reminded him of the church’s own approach in dealing with alleged abusers behind closed doors.
“Justice not only must be done but also [must] be seen,” Saunders said.
Good afternoon all,
Morrison has opened up another rabbit hole with the religious descrimination announcement and he will have no control over where the hole will lead.
One thing you can be sure of is Hanson and others on the right wing fringe as well as sections of our esteemed media and political commentary will ensure Islam and the Muslim community are targeted in some way.
As well those on the “Christian ” fringes will throw all sorts of arguments about the coming of the end of the world if religious organisations lose the right to descriminate against gay and lesbian teachers and students.
Morrison is a idiot and once again has proven the description to be true.
As well, it has also made clear Morrison is desperate. Rising power costs, flat lining wages, falling house prices yet he wastes his time on a issue that other posters have rightly described as of little importance to the majority of Australians but will, once right wing lunatics and ultra conservative Christians get going, do great harm to the most vulnerable.
Shorten and labor have so far handled this issue well.
Cheers and a great night to all
BiDG
‘Says the one who first posted about the event and then tried to argue there was no problem. ‘
You may be thinking of someone else.
Sceptic, The whole thing is a nonsense. I think that I understand the principles involved, and though it has failed I respect the attempt. There has to be a better way, but for us who must live within its strictures, we should look to the ultimate goal and push our leaky boat through this swamp.
The fine officers of the Morrison Integrity Commision are ready and willing to serve!
Boerwar @ #2762 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 2:57 pm
Rex, not you! 🙂
Boerear
I’ll give the US legal system credit for one thing: they get on with it.
Trumps dodgy associates are being dealt with. Goodness know how long we would be waiting in Australia.
Don’t know about other states but serious criminal cases in WA can take 18 months to come to trial.
The worlds biggest corporate crook, Bernie Madoff, was sentenced about a year after his scheme unraveled.
In Australia it would take years to prepare the brief then more years to go through the courts.
It’s a standard request from WAs senior judges for more money for more judges. Never seems to make a difference.
A name from the past …
The corporate regulator has largely won a landmark case against Melbourne businessman Bill Lewski, former federal health minister Michael Wooldridge and other directors of failed property group Prime Trust, with the High Court ruling the men had breached their duties as directors.
The Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) was successful on two out of three grounds of its appeal of a 2016 decision by the Full Court of the Federal Court to quash the disqualification orders against Mr Lewski, Dr Wooldridge and two other Prime directors.
It seems to me that there are four focal points for the legislation. There may be others:
1. Providing or with holding services (wedding cakes)
2. Expelling LGBTIQ students.
3. Expelling LGBTIQ staff/teachers.
4. Teaching things like gay sex is a sin.
There has been a fair bit of hyperventilating about the latter.
There are issues in relation to the application of the taxpayer dollar to all of the above.
GG
I made no criticism of WB, just pointing out the absurdity of the suppression order, one that will be redundant in a weeks time.
The judge isn’t Canute
BiDG
Oh. I was hoping I had not had a senior’s moment. Thanks.
Sceptic @ #2762 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 6:55 pm
Don’t forget that the prosecution also wanted the suppression order, not just the defence. Presumably, they believed this would improve their chances of getting a conviction, or reduce the chances of having the trial declared a mistrial.
Just something to keep in mind, before you all blow a gasket about “conspiracies” and “secrecy”.
Question for Scott Morrison:
“Do you think the RC into institutional child sexual abuse, and recent criminal convictions of prominent Churchmen for committing and permitting child sexual assault and abuse, demonstrates the danger in allowing religious institutions to operate too much under their own, and not the broader Australian society’s, notions of right and wrong?”
Late Riser
Maybe Morrison can ensure trials resulting from his Integrity Commission are held in Victoria.
The problem should be confined to jury selection & impanelment.
There was a theory put forward by Barry Cassidy on Insiders that Morrison might go to an election early March (as Turnbull was considering), which would require notification on around Australia Day.
I just noticed they have an urgent call for tenders due by January 23rd, so i guess they would need a few weeks at least to review them and lock in the government to their fossil fuel future.
So i think its unlikely the election will be before the NSW election, so May it is.
“And the Morrison government does appear to be in an awful rush. The ‘registrations of interest’ (ROI) must be submitted on January 23, a highly unusual deadline given it allows barely six weeks for replies and straddles the Christmas and New Year holidays.”
https://reneweconomy.com.au/coalition-frames-underwriting-tender-to-choose-what-it-wants-including-coal-78909/
Michael A @ #2772 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 3:02 pm
Problem with your question is we don’t know about the first and the second was recently overturned on appeal. 🙂
Both the prosecution and defence requested the suppression order, albeit for different reasons. The judge obviously considered their arguments held merit to do so.
Sceptic @ #2771 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 7:00 pm
Well, you were really.
However, I’m pointing out that your foray into ignoring the rule of law has possible consequences for others you depend on.
Player One
Everything you have said is an enditment on the Victorian judicial system.
I guess the prosecution are aware of the system flaws & act accordingly
“Damn it, I’ll be the one to break the curfew of tyranny surrounding this information that cannot be spoken about! keith richards has given up the grog.”
Not doing badly for 74. I wonder if he’s got a portrait locked away in an attic somewhere.
Bolt skewering Morrison’s religious stuff on Sky – maybe Bill’s interview rubbed off. Call’s it a Policeman of Religion.
Upnorth
Should have gone with ‘The God Squad’.
poroti @ #2781 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 3:16 pm
The doG catcher? 🙂
Can’t understand all of Morrison’s actions the last few days, so many flawed crapy ideas.
If he tables the legislation it will get amended to hell & he can’t stop it.This all makes me think next sitting will be one day only to bring down his bribe offerings. Then off to the GG before morning tea.
Up north
They know Bill will be the next PM. They are treating him as the bloke who is going to have the power very soon.
Barney in Go Dau
😆
PuffyTMD says:
Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 7:18 pm
Up north
They know Bill will be the next PM. They are treating him as the bloke who is going to have the power very soon.
Yep agree and they will start tearing their own down. Eating their young.
Morrison seems intent on being seen to be busy.
But what is the point of policy announcements this week?
It’s nearly Christmas. Most people, Bludgers excepted, will have tuned out already.
https://insidestory.org.au/final-reckoning-nine-views-of-victorias-election/
I doubt a high profile convict could be the subject of a suppression order pending his exercise of appeal rights in case the appeal court orders a retrial before a jury.
Thunder and lightning Newcastle.
Rain bucketing down – winds at about 20 kph.
My lilies are safe for the moment. 🙏
Sceptic @ #2785 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 7:18 pm
Morrison is looking for a legacy achievement for his tenure as PM. He desperately wanted the Religious Protection initiative to be just that. But, the media were initially quite excited about the Integrity Commission initiative.
lizzie @ #2670 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 4:44 pm
You are quite correct as always lizzie, but spelling and grammar are now passé.
Jus tel it lik it iz, everbody understans u, dont they?
Garbage, elegant English is a goal worth working towards.
May they rot in their self imposed ignorance.
Morrisons big mouth has backfired again. Using Religious freedom as an election issue just as the suppression starts to become ineffective is going to backfire on him extremely badly. People will not view support for what the COALition is proposing with warm and loving hearts for good reason.
So many crap decisions to make, so little time. Poor LNP.
In the Oz
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says he will fully implement at least 17 of the 18 recommendations of an independent review into suppression orders imposed by the state’s judiciary in the current term of government.
Retired judge Frank Vincent handed down the findings of his a year-long review of Victoria’s 2013 Open Courts Act in September 2017.
At the time he called into question the function and efficacy of suppression orders in an internet age, highlighting the fact that Victoria accounts for more than half of all suppression orders imposed in Australia.
The Andrews government is yet to implement any of Justice Vincent’s recommendations despite announcing its support for 17 of the 18 in March.
Mr Andrews did not rule out supporting the 18th recommendation — which involves providing the Public Interest Monitor with extra funding and resources to make submissions and ask questions of judges imposing suppression orders — but said it required further work and consideration.
zoomster @ #2740 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 6:30 pm
There are many, many more than that.