In the week that brought them the Victorian election result, Newspoll has taken from the Coalition what Ipsos and Essential Research gave the week before in BludgerTrack, with Labor up 0.6% on two-party preferred and making seat projection gains in Victoria and South Australia. I’m afraid I’ve been too preoccupied/lazy to update the leadership trends, but Newspoll is unlikely to have changed them much. Other than that, full results from the link below.
I can relate to what Magreen Faruqee said in Senate about delaying Newstart for new migrants. I had the same experience as her during the same period. I cannot believe supposed that Bill. Doug Cameron talking about common sense regarding that is very un-Labor of him
The Guardian:
For those interested, the Greens, the Centre Alliance, Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer voted with Labor to change the Senate sitting schedule to ensure budget estimates could occur before the May election.
One Nation, Fraser Anning and Brian Burston voted with the government to try to stop it.
David Leyonhjelm did not vote.
Given that the Greens fully cost all their policies, what are they putting in as the cost for the UBI?
Kerryn Phelps will be Monday’s Australian Story subject.
SA health Minister having a Yes Minister moment!
https://twitter.com/alpsa/status/1067621102900264960
Bolts posts today are page after page of bile directed at Liberal women “of the Left” who have wrecked the Liberal party. Julie Bishop is enemy number one and Julia Banks is number two (she even held hands with a Labor MP!!! OMG!!).
TPOF
I don’t think the LNP can keep Dutton on.
Its the politics. At the very least he will not be a Minister and the LNP had reason not to pursue Labor people for staying while referred.
Its the numbers fear behind Pynes bullying the cross bench. Plus the Crossbench is right it’s the principle. Scott Ludlam resigned from parliament. Thats the principle.
Edit: Also unlike Dutton Labor had precedent of High Court decision Dutton does not. He just has a lawyer arguing he is not in breach. Not creating a narrow or broad definition of the law Which is why the Green example should apply.
Doug Cameron reckons he is a socialist. lol Supports the bastardisation of migrants for a budget-saving measure. Who would have thought.
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/that-was-a-cheap-shot-accusations-of-bias-fly-in-fiery-q-and-a-20181127-p50iie.html
GG
haha
How are the Greens coming along with their costings for shutting down Olympic Dam?
If Labor holds to this position then the hopes the national integrity commission could be legislated in the last two weeks of parliament have effectively been dashed.
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This was never going to happen. The point of the cross-benchers (and I would have thought the Greens) was to push the issue forward to stop the Government prevaricating and dissembling on progressing it.
They, and Labor, accept that a proper NIC bill would be a complex piece of drafting that needed to be very carefully negotiated within and beyond Parliament to ensure that it achieved what it wanted to achieve and there were no adverse consequences. Porter was correct to point this out. Unfortunately, he only pointed it out to distract the public while he kicked the issue into the long grass. Unfortunately for him, he was so inept that everyone could see him kicking.
At the end of the day, there is no way we are going to see serious legislative change on this or any other major issues of concern to anyone but this government before the next election. The government itself radiates the stench of moral corruption and death. Labor is behaving like it is in transition to government. And the Greens are trying to recover relevance as the real world moves on.
Greensborough Growler
It is a real shame we can’t have posted Doug Cameron quotes automatically turned into audio so as to have the full ‘Doogie’ experience
Funny how the regular Lab toerags seem to think that they have something earth shattering to contribute to any debate around here.
Whilst their fabled leader and party rushes to support the Lib RWNJs whenever the opportunity arises to kick some more marginal humans in the guts.
I do feel Mehreen Faruqi is a pretty formidable member of parliament and their obsessive commentary on the Greens is really indicative of how concerned they are at being shown up for the hypocrites and spivs they are.
Labor supporting the LNP on the “make migrants wait up to four years for Newstart” bill is a perfect example of why the Greens have every right to criticise the ALP.
Funny how the regular Lab toerags seem to think that they have something earth shattering to contribute to any debate around here.
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Sanctimony stripped away…
What happens when you don’t control the Senate
Budget brought forward? So Senate Estimates brought forward…
The changed Senate sittings, following Labor’s successful amendment, have now been set:
Senate Budget Estimates will now be held on
– April 4 and 5
– April 8 to 11
– Spillover if required on 12 April.
Those last two dates are assuming an election won’t have been called by then.
Boerwar @ #185 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 12:01 pm
The problem as I see it is the discontinuity in attitude and beliefs between the members of the Greens Party, and those who are normally Greens Party 1st preference voters, but are not actual members.
‘Ordinary’ members of the Greens Party are, in my very limited experience, fine people. But they are more enthusiastic about a wide range of Greens causes, obviously, than those who think that the Greens are a good party to vote for because, say, they have a reputation for caring for the environment.
Even more removed from reality are the Greens who have been elected to public office, or are office holders within the Party.
They do not seem to be on the same wavelength as those whose only connection with the Greens is that they simply vote Greens as their first preference in State and Federal elections.
Knowing that (often) the Greens Party candidate has no chance of winning allows them to submit a protest vote if Labor or the LNP are not doing what they think they should be doing, but still voting for their chosen party.
Those whose only connection with the party are that they usually vote 1 Greens also tend to give Labor their second preference, which is the wind beneath the wings of many a Labor party win at the elections. Thank you ‘ordinary’ Greens voters.
This must really get up the noses of those who hold office in the Greens Party, or are elected MPs, who denigrate Labor at every opportunity.
As at the Batman election. They lost it there.
Labor does not need to ask for the Greens second preferences – they get 80% of them anyway, without lifting a finger.
The Greens need ‘official’ Labor second preferences, however, since there are many Labor Party voters who are not natural Greens Party supporters, but may use the Labor HTV card (or look it up on their phones) when they get into the polling booth.
Frankly, I’m disappointed that the Australian front page doesn’t have a picture of Turnbull’s invisible hand.
I am going to be extra careful, I will have the Bunnings sausage on the bread and the onions in a sealed container.
Confessions @ #35 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 7:43 am
Roger says:
Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 12:10 pm
Briefly, Turnbull was hardly popular in Victoria and I very much doubt they were likely to win seats here
The polling gave them 50/50 2PP in Victoria…good enough to pick up a couple of seats….The polls had been narrowing for some time. It’s possible the RW moved against Turnbull precisely because they thought he might win, or go very close. If it looked like he could win, Turnbull would have been untouchable. The exclusion/defeat of the RW would have become permanent. The took their chance using the NEG as the pretext.
The RW are ideological, motivated by revenge, are risk-takers and are totally bloody-minded. They have wrecked their best chances in order to confound their own internal enemies.
This is peculiar.
Australia has parallel processes into, presumably, the same thing.
At the same time, the IGADF has been investigating war crimes in Afghanistan by ADF soldiers since 2016.
Apparently the IGADF’s Report will not be finalized until at least next year. The given reason is the mountain of evidence they have to sift through. I assume that the IGADF’s investigations include not only specific incidents but also matters such as culture, command and control, etc, etc, etc.
The AFP have let drop that they responded to a referral of possible war crimes in Afghanistan by ADF soldiers by launching an investigation. This referral occurred around the middle of 2018. I assume that this would relate to specific incidents.
The question is this. Who made the AFP referral? What is the procedural relationship between military and civilian judicial processes?
Neither investigation has named names. Neither investigation has specified possible illegal behaviour.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/29/afp-investigating-australian-soldiers-over-alleged-war-crimes-in-afghanistan
GG
Wade is an idiot (although he’s technically correct as hospitals function most efficiently at 90% capacity).
don
Good post, IMO.
Some good work last night.
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29m ago 12:06
The Senate passed Australia’s first Modern Slavery Act last night, after years of advocacy from civil society groups………….
Some MPs deserve special mention.
Liberal MP Julie Bishop who was key at the beginning. Under her influence the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade began looking seriously at the issue.
Liberal MP Chris Crewther (who, before parliament, worked as an international lawyer through the UN at the Kosovo Property Agency, resolving property claims for people who lost possession of their properties due to the war). He produced a report on the issue of modern slavery, Hidden In Plain Sight, which is one of the best parliamentary reports you will read, from anywhere in the world.
Liberal senator Linda Reynolds who has pushed expertly for this legislation behind the scenes. Liberal MP Alex Hawke had a hand in driving the project.
Labor MP Clare O’Neil drove this issue from Labor’s side and put in an inordinate amount of work, working across party lines. Labor senators Penny Wong and Lisa Singh.
Greens senator Nick McKim, independent South Australian senator Tim Storer, Centre Alliance senator Rex Patrick, and senator Derryn Hinch
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2018/nov/29/malcolm-turnbull-accuses-critics-of-paranoia-amid-meddling-claims-politics-live
The Gs are campaigning for Labor these days among disaffected Right-leaning voters.
Sweet of them.
“Funny how the regular Lab toerags seem to think that they have something earth shattering to contribute to any debate around here.
Whilst their fabled leader and party rushes to support the Lib RWNJs whenever the opportunity arises to kick some more marginal humans in the guts.”
That reads for all the world like the dying screams of a vampire exposed to the sun sounds like in an episode of True Blood.
Like your gravatar, you seem to be an endangered species, Quoll.
But please, by all means #maintaintherage: you’re product differentiation will make it that much easier for Labor to hoover up the middle ground following the collapse of the Liberal party.
Dio
I assume the face palm person in GG’s vid is the SA Premier?
@don
If the ALP act like right-wing a***holes, and the Greens call it out, progressive voters swing to the Greens.
If the ALP act less like right-wing a***holes, the Greens have less to work with, and progressive voters swing to the ALP. Case in point, last weekend’s Vic election.
Part of the value of the Greens is to act as a brake on how much right-wing a***holery the ALP thinks it can get away with without costing it seats.
It’s not rocket science.
How are the Greens coming along with their costings for closing down Australia’s cotton industry?
briefly
I’m still trying to understand what happened in August. The best I can see is that Dutton and the right wing had carefully planned to take Turnbull on over the NEG and climate policy and were relying on Turnbull showing some backbone (at least reprising the 2009 dumping). Turnbull’s dumping of the whole policy, coupled with his appalling misjudgement in calling on a confidence motion (or whatever it was)actually sidelined their plans. Unfortunately for them, they had committed to rolling Turnbull, but on their own terms, and could not back off without losing all momentum.
End story, Turnbull got rolled and replaced by someone who actually had no consistent personal position other than self-promotion. And a party became publicly riven under a leader who leads an utterly conflicted rabble.
In 2010, Rudd lost his leadership because his strong personality defects. However, the Labor Party did not tell the public why because of what turned out the be a misguided attempt to protect his reputation and feelings. In 2018, Turnbull loses his leadership because of ???? This time the public is not told why because nobody actually knows; not even the people who dumped him!
BW,
With those Greens Cotton ball costings so rotten, they won’t pick very much cotton…..
The Gs and the RWNJs are temperamentally similar. They are the tantrumites of the Parliament.
Greens out in full force like a robot.
alzabo @ #227 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 12:41 pm
No.
You are having yourself on.
The Greens are now irrelevant so far as changing public sentiment in any significant way.
They are not being listened to. There have been too many problems within the party, and their message is being lost – if they have a message.
The Greens say that their policies are fully funded, but they decline to give the funding information. People get tired of that.
Briefly, labor pretty much always had a greater 2pp than the national average through turnbulls citezenship. It just got a lot worse when they necked him
Boerwar @ #228 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 12:45 pm
I didn’t know that was a Green policy.
At least they have one sensible one!
Australia is the driest continent on earth. Yet, through cotton, we are also one of the biggest exporters of water.
This anomaly is largely because our system of pricing water is utterly broken 🙁
Shorten launched the ALP science policy last night.
Science funding to double.
Science Council to be established.
Severed relationships between Science/scientists and Government to be healed.
The changes to access to welfare apply to skilled and family visas only.
Single parent and one income earning families who come to Australia on these visas are exempt.
Cheers
“Like your gravatar, you seem to be an endangered species, Quoll.”
Ha, some ALP toerag that thinks a joke at the expense of an almost extinct and unique Australian marsupial is funny.
The response rate and obsessive commentary of the Lab toerags gives everyone a clear idea of just how precious about themselves they are.
TPOF
yes you can’t help feeling that Turnbull ambushed the plotters and thus they were all at sea.
And his clever use of Liberal Party rules regarding a second spill not only showed who the plotters were, it brilliantly exposed how they didn’t (and almost certainly wouldn’t at the vote ) actually have the numbers.
I think you’re right – deep down they were terrified he might win!
And now if their party is so stupid to expel him the gloves will really be off. I would encourage him to then run as an independent in Warringah against Tony Abbott.
doyley
Thanks for that.
Perhaps now the Greens will settle down a bit.
Zoidlord @ #16 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 12:52 pm
When the C@t’s away, The Greens mice will play? 😉
Just back for a brief respite before it’s back to the hospital for hand-holding and brow-wiping duty. 🙂
alzabo @ #227 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 12:41 pm
It’s very entertaining to see Labor partisans on one hand lavish praise on Labor for adopting Greens policy while at the same time vigorously attack the Greens Party as too extreme.
The lack of logic continues to amuse.
“The Greens say that their policies are fully funded, but they decline to give the funding information. People get tired of that.”
Parliamentary Budget Office costing 2016 election
https://www.electioncostings.gov.au/
The volume of BS passed off as fact is amazing here, Greens probably provide greater costing transparency than any of the other parties through the PBO
Andrews – quite deliberately, because I was annoyed with our HTV and tried to have it changed – ensured that the Greens were preferenced third on Labor HTVs where ever possible. The same appears to have happened this election.
It doesn’t seem to have worked out too badly for Labor.
‘Greensborough Growler says:
Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 12:48 pm
BW,
With those Greens Cotton ball costings so rotten, they won’t pick very much cotton…..’
Indeed. That is 500,000 hectares of cotton rubbed out. $1 billion in exports. Around 10,000 jobs.
And why?
Because the Greens have a religious conviction that ALL GMOs are bad.
So, their policy is to remove ALL GMOs from the environment.
This means removing GMO cotton, of course.
The interesting thing about GMO cotton is that it uses vastly less chemicals than the traditional cottons. GMO cotton also emits less CO2 because considerably less tillage is required. But GMOS are evil according to the Greens policy mavens.
I look forward to the Greens costings. Here are some things they might want to put into their Destroy the Australian Cotton Industry Policy.
1. 10,000 additional people on Newstart. Say $150 million per annum or $450 million over forward estimates.
2. $1 billion loss in exports annually. Say $3 billion over forward estimates.
3. The economy of over a dozen regional towns will be shattered.
4. Stranded irrigation infrastructure assets.
5. The environmental and financial costs of alternative clothing not made out of cotton. Possibly oil-based fabrics would be preferred by the Greens? Or wool. Sheep are much better for the Australian environment than GMO cotton. It stands to Greens reason. Or maybe Cave Bear Skins. Who knows? They don’t.
The list goes on and on and on.
don @ #233 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 11:52 am
Honestly Don you do carry on like pork chop and are just not “with it ” when it comes to the greens.
The obvious thing is that the greens have a pretty solid voting block of around 8% but much, much higher in winnable seats where it seems more in the 25-255 range. Now originally when the greens started they collected about 5% “protest vote” the same vote that goes to various centrist paries – Democrats, PUP, NXT good independents etc. However that share of the vote more or less disappeared under Howard and the greens 8% solid votes are now ideological Green votes who are laregely to the left of the ALP and are by and large the same people who formed or would support the left of the ALP in dys gone by. the people whom the left recruited to join ALP branches in the factional wars by following home anti uranium mining stickers and doorknocking for recruitment are now the core Green demographic.
As we know 80% of them will support ALP second because they are ideologically committed to left of centre politics. The moderate mushies now will go to reason, AJ or some other “cause.”
If the Greens collapsed tomorrow there would STILL be the same ideological group and the current battle between green/ALP would merely shift to an intra ALP factional battle.
Now there are people like me who although having a strongly green outlook have stayed within the ALP, largely because that is still where some of us aging lefties hang out. It would be nice to get the Greens back.
Quoll
Good good. According to the Greens boast: fully funded Greens policies.
So, tell me what the Greens costings are for the ADF. To the nearest billion will do.
Or might it just be that the Greens have put in $0 for the ADF?
A reminder. The Crossbench is the political spectrum excluding the far right. I think Hinch is the most right of them. Bear in mind when looking at policies they are putting out.
These are policies they think Left and right will vote for.
A good yardstick while we have far right in power. That’s far right note extreme right but that latter might be getting closer