In the week that brought them the Victorian election result, Newspoll has taken from the Coalition what Ipsos and Essential Research gave the week before in BludgerTrack, with Labor up 0.6% on two-party preferred and making seat projection gains in Victoria and South Australia. I’m afraid I’ve been too preoccupied/lazy to update the leadership trends, but Newspoll is unlikely to have changed them much. Other than that, full results from the link below.
ratsak @ #142 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 10:59 am
The Liberal party has Turnbull right where he wants them.
They are broke, disunited and dominated by misogynistic homophobes that deny climate change.
These moderate Libs you speak of will be looking for Independent candidates should the current batch not be able to claw back control. I doubt that can happen in the time before the next election.
Expelling Turnbull will let him off the leash to openly fund the candidates he wants in the key electorates. Turnbull has money and won’t be afraid to use it in support of his chosen candidates. The Libs will then need to spend time money and effort defending their blue ribbon seats.
I read somewhere that one State candidate Lib mentioned that at polling booths on Saturday a frequently asked question was whether he was Federal or state. he said State. They responded good. He only had an 8% swing against. Tells you the electorate is not done with the Libs just yet in these traditional Liberal heartland seat.
Wilkie and Bandt pointing out what a goose Pyne has been.
booleanbach
I gave Keep Sydney Open, Stadiums, Light Rail
can see the presser by crossbenchers, says its about Dutton and HC referral. Can’t hear the audio, I really hope they are saying they will refer him…
Observer
The government has chosen to prefer you die first.From 2017 stats. You can bet someone in gov. was ‘frabjous joy’ over the saving due to people dying before or shortly after getting to pension age at 70.
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Death rate 60-64 yrs – 5.5
Death rate 70-74 yrs -14.3
http://stat.data.abs.gov.au/
Cross bench support for Labor Legislation on Schools and LGBTI students and teachers. Hinch goes so far as talking about revoking charity status. I think in regards to child abuse.
Boerwar
Yup and her pay from Sauron would not be her only source of income either . Sloane ain’t no orphan either in that despicable journalist class
This is blatant pork barreling to the wealthy, which would only empty Treasury coffers before Labor took office. Labor should say exactly that, and oppose it just as they opposed Howard’s last tax cuts before he lost office in 2007.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/10-billion-in-accelerated-tax-cuts-on-the-cards-20181128-p50iw7.html
If ScumMo wants a popular policy, what about dealing with wage stagnation and wage theft?
Wow this is a very bad news presser for the LNP
Wilkie
We will find out which backbencher are party hacks waving their arms around in pretence or true representatives willing to cross the floor
It’s alive!
That Wilkie comment was in regards to a question about substantive issues requiring Liberals to cross the floor. Eg to get live sheep exports banned
Presser finished
Yes I think there will be High Court referral of Dutton after that presser
To overturn ACT legislation, the Government needs a working majority in both houses. They don’t.
Caf! 😀
@Caf
Bahahahah
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unfortunately, as Alice Workman pointed out on RN breakfast this morning, any HC referral vis S44 probably wouldn’t be dealt with before the next election. Even if he was referred immediately.
I don’t have much of a record here of being a Greens basher, but it is so typical of the Greens that Nick McKim felt it necessary to bag out Labor at the end of the press conference. Of course, the Greens have every right to act just like any other political party – but they should stop pretending they are different. They’re not. They’re just another political party seeking to do to Labor what Bernardi and Leyonhjelm want to do to the Liberals.
Caf’s image. 🙂
The Libs were an outside chance to hang on to office while Turnbull led them, mainly on the strength of his support in Victoria, where Labor may have lost a couple of seats. If they’d been able to hold the line in NSW and improve their rankings in WA and QLD, they had a chance. Not a great chance, but a fighting chance.
They have replaced Turnbull with someone who is not only a political imbecile, but who embodies everything that’s wrong with the Liberals in the eyes of voters – a climate-change-denying, coal-toting, race-baiting, homophobic clapper.
They have also laid open the deepest internal splits seen in an Australian political party for many decades. This necessarily means they have disqualified themselves from office. They have written their own termination notice, and voters will soon counter-sign it.
BAA
Referral means reasonable doubt. No sitting in Parliament. Undoes Katter blocking on things like a Federal ICAC. Also means one less needed for substantive motions.
Maybe even ability to change sitting times
‘TPOF says:
Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 11:44 am
I don’t have much of a record here of being a Greens basher, but it is so typical of the Greens that Nick McKim felt it necessary to bag out Labor at the end of the press conference.’
Yep. They are a competing political party.
Full credit to Caf (and William) for the image below in #168. 🙂
Emily Baker
Verified account @emlybkr
Sue Hickey has crossed the floor and will not allow Adam Brooks a proxy on the firearms committee. #politas
BW
Its only idiots who have said the Greens are not a competing party.
Its just some Labor people think they should ONLY compete against the LNP
guytaur
Referral means reasonable doubt. No sitting in Parliament.
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Not necessarily. Gallagher and others remained in Parliament and it would actually be a dangerous precedent on a number of levels if a referred MP or Senator stood down from Parliament while the High Court considered eligibility.
That said, these are issues that need to be clarified by the High Court (although I would strongly prefer a revision of s.44 to reflect how the world operates 120 years on from when that section was first drafted).
caf @ #161 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 11:34 am
That’s very good. I’ve always seen it as some sort of fancy condom, Freudians would have a field day.
The Guardian:
There is quite a bit of crankiness on the Senate crossbench over Labor working with the government to pass the social services amendments which will see some migrants wait up to four years for Newstart.
Centre Alliance were against it. The Greens were against it. Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer were against it. And with Labor, that’s enough to block the bill.
Mehreen Faruqi used her personal experience to explain her objection to the legislation:
I know the human cost of measures like this first hand and their impact on people. I came here as a migrant in 1992, with my husband, my one year old son and 2 suitcases. A very typical migrant story. When we applied for permanent residency we got it very quickly because both my husband and I are engineers. We were told that there was an acute shortage of engineers in Australia and there were lots of jobs available for us. But when we got here, things were quite different. It was the middle of the recession we had to have, Jobs were few and far between and of course we had the added burden of not having local experience even though we had degrees that were recognised world over and I can tell you civil engineering experience is pretty much the same in Pakistan and Australia. We all know that resume racism does exist. We applied for hundreds of jobs and never got a look in.
While no one would give us a job, the support system in Australia at that time did recognise that migrants do need financial assistance to survive and we were provided this assistance. That was the only way we could survive for the first few months in a new country where we hardly knew anyone. My husband also started driving a taxi as soon as he got a licence and passed the test.
It’s pretty rich of Labor to stand here and tell us we don’t understand the complexities. Well you know what, mate, I’ve lived the complexity. So don’t dare come in here and preach to me.”
“unfortunately, as Alice Workman pointed out on RN breakfast this morning, any HC referral vis S44 probably wouldn’t be dealt with before the next election. Even if he was referred immediately.”
That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen. This guy is sitting as a minister in the mean time, making decisions over everything from keeping kids on Nauru to giving visas to au pairs for former cop mates. And meanwhile he pockets $400K per annum.
Guytaur
Its only idiots who have said the Greens are not a competing party.
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It’s the incredible sanctimoniousness that I find indigestible.
The Guardian:
Nick McKim says there is nothing in the bill that is outside Labor’s policy framework.
Kerryn is right in terms of the assessments being done on a case by case basis based on medical need. What is important for everyone to understand is that this bill is within Labor’s policy framework. There is nothing in this bill that is outside Labor’s policy framework regarding offshore detention, border security or anything else. What we need is the Labor party to step up here, step up for the kids on Nauru, step up for the innocent men, women and children – that they put most of them there in the first place and do the right thing. There is nothing in this bill that is outside Labor’s policy and we genuinely stretch out our hand and invite them to support this bill.
Socrates @ #178 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 7:55 am
It also highlights that there should be some other mechanism to recommend referrals that is not based around the numbers on the floor.
Maybe a federal ICAC could have this power?
TPOF says:
Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 11:44 am
I don’t have much of a record here of being a Greens basher, but it is so typical of the Greens that Nick McKim felt it necessary to bag out Labor at the end of the press conference. Of course, the Greens have every right to act just like any other political party – but they should stop pretending they are different. They’re not. They’re just another political party seeking to do to Labor what Bernardi and Leyonhjelm want to do to the Liberals.
The Gs prospered for quite a long time by wedging Labor. This is their staple gig. It’s now very obvious that it’s costing them in several ways. First, it alienates Labor supporters, who can recognise a hostile voice when they hear one. Second, it encourages Labor to campaign against them. Labor are more than capable of campaigning against and defeating the Gs, as we’ve seen in recent elections. Third, they create additional opportunity costs for themselves, because they limit their ability to campaign among LNP-leaning voters.
They have been caught by history – by the most unexpected of developments. The Right are disintegrating. The Gs are in no position to benefit from this. On the contrary, their positioning means it is Labor that will benefit from the collapse of the LNP. Bob Brown calculated that Labor could be split. He could never have contemplated that Labor would hold and the LNP would break themselves apart.
The Gs have made themselves irrelevant. They try to blame Labor for this. But this is wrong-headed. They are entirely responsible for their own errors and the losses that will stem from them.
TPOF
Of course when Labor and its supporters are “sanctimoniousness” it is perfectly acceptable.
Of course when Labor and its supporters “virtue signal” it is perfectly acceptable.
Projection.
Double standards.
Cognitive dissonance.
Not that Lib and Lab were same same on the “Bludging Immigrants Bill”.
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There is quite a bit of crankiness on the Senate crossbench over Labor working with the government to pass the social services amendments that will see some migrants wait up to four years for Newstart.
Mehreen Faruqi used her personal experience to explain her objection to the legislation:
I know the human cost of measures like this first-hand and their impact on people. I came here as a migrant in 1992, with my husband, my one-year-old son and two suitcases. A very typical migrant story. When we applied for permanent residency we got it very quickly because both my husband and I are engineers. We were told that there was an acute shortage of engineers in Australia and there were lots of jobs available for us. But when we got here, things were quite different. It was the middle of the recession we had to have, jobs were few and far between and, of course, we had the added burden of not having local experience, even though we had degrees that were recognised [the] world over – and I can tell you civil engineering experience is pretty much the same in Pakistan and Australia. We all know that resume racism does exist. We applied for hundreds of jobs and never got a look-in.
While no one would give us a job, the support system in Australia at that time did recognise that migrants do need financial assistance to survive, and we were provided this assistance. That was the only way we could survive for the first few months in a new country where we hardly knew anyone. My husband also started driving a taxi as soon as he got a licence and passed the test.
It’s pretty rich of Labor to stand here and tell us we don’t understand the complexities. Well you know what, mate, I’ve lived the complexity. So don’t dare come in here and preach to me
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2018/nov/29/malcolm-turnbull-accuses-critics-of-paranoia-amid-meddling-claims-politics-live
So, the Greens who were sucking up Victorian Labor for preferences and who are promoting a Greens-Labor Coalition, are back at what they are doing best: sledging and wedging Labor.
Come May the Greens will be on their knees, begging for Labor preferences!
Re: Federal ICAC…according to The Guardian:
The Greens are trying to have the Senate debate a bill to establish a national integrity commission, but Labor has indicated it will refer the bill to a committee inquiry to report back by 5 April.
Greens democracy spokeswoman Larissa Waters has accused Labor of kicking the issue “into the long grass”, knowing full well that the parliament will not meet for long after the 2 April budget before parliament is dissolved and the issue will not be debated until after the May election.
Labor’s Jacinta Collins explained to the Senate that its position is to introduce a national integrity commission within the first 12 months of government, but promises Labor will “get the process right”.
“We’ve heard a number of concerns about the [Cathy] McGowan bill … it should not be rushed,” she said.
If Labor holds to this position then the hopes the national integrity commission could be legislated in the last two weeks of parliament have effectively been dashed.
Guytaur
Its only idiots who have said the Greens are not a competing party.
The Gs are free-loaders. One day they want to be pillion passengers; the next they want to steal the bike. They can get their own bike.
Doug Cameron argued the Greens weren’t applying common sense to the issue.
“Common sense and the Greens don’t go together – should never be in the same sentence,” he said.
BW
It was Labor who was sucking up to Victorian Liberals for preferences in the inner city electorates but the deal fell through.
But of course that’s perfectly acceptable.
Double standards.
C@tmomma
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Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 5:40 am
No one knows as much about punk music as I do because I was there as it was being created! From the get go in Australia.
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Just seen this. Funny shit.
The Gs should understand. They will absolutely nothing from Labor. Nothing. Zero. They have burnt the bridges.
Good morning all,
The s44 issue is not about Dutton being removed from Parliament. Because of the election ” announcement ” by Morrison and the defection of Banks it is all about the noise and chaos of a government that has lost control. If Dutton is referred it will be all about Dutton clinging onto his front bench position while under a heavy cloud of uncertainty and any decision made by him open to appeal. More disfunction. It is all about the vibe and the optics.
Labor has left the running on this to the cross bench and the liberals ( Pyne in particular) have bitten themselves on the arse with threats against the cross bench. Let the cross bench run with this, let the government continue with its threats and let labor get on the job of looking and acting like the adult in the room.
Cheers.
To bastardise migrants’access to Newstart is in the same basket as cutting the single parents benefit under Gillard.
Both were budget-saving exercises. Nothing more, nothing less.
Wooing the Hansonites / Hansonite leaning Labor voters – nothing more, nothing less.
Briefly, Turnbull was hardly popular in Victoria and I very much doubt they were likely to win seats here
Of course, it is all relative……..and It doesn’t hurt for people to think that anyway!
Peg
Of course when Labor and its supporters are “sanctimoniousness” it is perfectly acceptable.
Of course when Labor and its supporters “virtue signal” it is perfectly acceptable.
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Ah. So you do more than post ‘helpful’ links. Examples of the sanctimoniousness and virtue signalling please?
Bug1
I made up my mind pre brexit etc that Assange was not the hero of democracy.
Just made the observation (over at the Vic site) that locally, where the two seats had strong independents to vote for, the Greens vote was more than halved.
This suggests the ‘rusted on’ component of the Greens vote is about 50%, with the rest voting Green on a ‘curse on both your houses’ basis.
Roger
Agreed!
peg
Yeah, much better to rush a Bill through without checking! It’s not Labor’s fault that Parliament isn’t sitting next year.
A long NYT article on the rise of China. Love the name of the symposium 🙂
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The Land That Failed to Fail
The West was sure the Chinese approach would not work. It just had to wait. It’s still waiting.
…the Academic Symposium of Middle-Aged and Young Economists .There, in the bamboo forests of Moganshan, the young scholars grappled with a pressing question: How could China catch up with the West?
It was the autumn of 1984, and on the other side of the world, Ronald Reagan was promising “morning again in America.”
https://outline.com/daetzx