In the week that brought them the Victorian election result, Newspoll has taken from the Coalition what Ipsos and Essential Research gave the week before in BludgerTrack, with Labor up 0.6% on two-party preferred and making seat projection gains in Victoria and South Australia. I’m afraid I’ve been too preoccupied/lazy to update the leadership trends, but Newspoll is unlikely to have changed them much. Other than that, full results from the link below.
poroti
IMO Indigenous Australians will struggle to get anywhere real without a Treaty.
If the ACT do it then it will embolden the ALP in Victoria to do it. Bring it on. There are a lot of people on PB who would benefit from smoking a bowl. I’m looking at Grimace and ‘secret agent Robert Ball’ here. These dour fogeys could spring to life with the aid of the herb.
Tea Pain
Tea Pain
@TeaPainUSA
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BOOM! Trump-Russia and Brexit are two sides of the same traitorous coin. If you recall Malloch was detained by Mueller earlier this year and is no stranger to his grand jury.
This is gettin’ good!
Trump adviser asked Farage ally for WikiLeaks emails, Mueller document alleges
theguardian.com
The 2019 theme for NAIDOC Week is Voice. Truth. Treaty.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-29/wages-stagnation-threatens-financial-stability/10561348
Amy
Lizzie
I saw JBishop segment and her handing over red shoes.
She actually looked refreshed and well for a change. Not the usual gaunt look
Victoria
Best argument for a Second Referendum if it’s proven Brexit was a Russian attack on the UK.
Also makes Cameron and May even bigger idiots.
Victoria
She was probably delighted she could make a statement about strong Liberal women as well as get rid of them.
C
I like it. I assume that the Australian Federal Government’s Envoy to the Natives will duly… uh… nah…
@guytaur
Maybe that was Cameron’s plan all long, he needed to satisfy the Brexiters. However he need that eventually their project to get Britain out of the European Union would fail.
At this stage, the best option in my opinion a Brexit which would benefit the workers rather than the corporate class would be the best option. That is something Jeremy Corbyn can possibly deliver, I give credit for him for being fairly shrew in this debate. I believe like me he knows that the European Union needs serious reform. Not that he is opposed to the European Union as such, hence his dialogue with Yanis Varoufakis who has founded Democracy in Europe Movement 2025 (DiEM25).
Yep. The delusion runs deep
John Schindler
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Hillary is SO CUNNING AND EEEEEVIL that…something.
Yeah, no idea.
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How can they reconcile their main thesis: Clinton is an evil world dominating mastermind who cheated to lose the election.
ACt legalising weed is a good move. The 4 plant limit for home growers is rational.
What seems to be happening OS with this is that if its legal the price stays low or comes as bigger suppliers get into the market. There is volume there though.
Then….. lot of people who have been home growers dont bother with growing their own any more. Not worth the cost of equipment, power bills and inconvenience. Only hobbyists (who may have preferences for varieties / strains) keep up their home grows. 🙂 So, even if people can grow a limited number of plants themselves, the Govt still gets tax revenue out of it.
Anyhow, hopefully the ACT will be a model for the rest of the place. REALLY good things about legalisation is that it will remove an easy revenue source for crims recycling $ made for weed into Meth production, AND it will take a load off the courts and police time / $ as they wont have to bust and process what are now minor offenses.
lizzie
‘precarity’
Goodness me.
Guytaur
I have felt all along that they will dump brexit cos it was a compromised vote.
Have been patiently waiting for the likes of Farage Assange etc getting their just desserts
Lizzie
JBishop like most pollies, is an opportunist.
Boerwar
It seems its origin is in sociology. Might have guessed. 🙁
But ordinary dudes needn’t use it.
@imacca
I find the current ACT government a good example that a Coalition government between Labor and the Greens can work.
Vic
Yep. I thought so. :).
My own view as well. I have been reading Peter Jukes timeline on twitter. He has been doing the anti Murdoch thing since if not before Leveson. As a result he has been on the Murdoch Farage Wikileaks to Trump trail.
I know its preaching to the choir but how good is Amy Remeikis on The Guardian live blog.
https://twitter.com/TonyAbbottMHR/status/1067919557564616704/photo/1
And Malcolm Turnbull tweets this…
Attribution bias – blaming others for the consequences of your own actions is a common symptom of paranoia.
Does that apply also to your wrecking of the National Broadband Network?.
The Libs are facing a daunting TPP, but is likely to lose a lot more seats than a uniform swing.
Very much this.
Labor will in all likelihood go backwards in TPP in some seats the Libs lose.
You’ll see the Wentworth gambit being tried all over the place and succeeding in some spots. Small L liberals running as independents in seats that wouldn’t vote Labor if their life depended on it. Labor and the Gs will run dead and pref the Independent who will be preferencing the Libs in order to break off a good chunk of the incumbents primary. The nominal 2PP counts will show swings to the Libs, but they’ll have lost a super safe seat.
Rather than the usual worry of having to sandbag the marginals the Libs are going to face proper existential fights everywhere. A big 2PP against Labor just makes your seat more likely to be a serious target of an independent. We’ve already seen Falinki crap his dacks this week. He’s going to have a lot of company.
lizzie @ #121 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 10:22 am
Abbott clearly means Menzies, not Kelly.
Craig Kelly a ‘real Liberal’?
More like a shameless hack.
If Malcolm Turnbull were to be expelled from the party, it would be disastrous for the remaining Libs.
It would be confirmation to all that the Liberal Party had shifted to the far right, something which would not sit well with many Liberal voters, methinks.
“Coalition government between Labor and the Greens can work.”
Provided the Greens know their place. 🙂 🙂
It should be able to work …………but the “ALP / Greens Coalition” label is currently political poison for the ALP. Would not give the Libs the favor of that to campaign on
And i am not convinced that the Fed Greens are as rational as the ACT Greens ?? They are still too heavily into purity not practicality to be trusted as far as i am concerned..
P1
Nah. Remember Abbott thinks he is Liberal.
“I know its preaching to the choir but how good is Amy Remeikis on The Guardian live blog.”
Amy for Speaker i reckon. 🙂
@ar:
“Nope. The Feds have already decided that they won’t be sitting. You can’t intervene if you don’t sit.”
Hmm
If there was some relevant piece of federal legislation in place giving a federal minister the power to issue a regulation effectively overriding any ACT law then the feds could intervene and quash the legislation without need of the federal parliament to enact overriding legislation.
Having a quick guess I’d say there are probably a whole suite of existing federal taxation or health legislation that could possibly provide that ability ….
imacca
See Victoria
Its the policy that won it.
LNP shouting Boo Unions Boo Greens Boo African Gangs Boo Injecting Rooms all heat no light
If Malcolm Turnbull were to be expelled from the party, it would be disastrous for the remaining Libs.
Bang on Don.
Which of course means they’ll probably do it.
The Greens policy statements are, in some cases, utterly bizarre – but we are not supposed to read them or to point out their consequences.
The Greens spend three years sledging Labor.
The Greens spend three years wedging Labor.
The Greens spend three years criticizing Labor at a rate something like five times they spend criticizing the Coalition.
Then the Greens crawl up to Labor for some preferences.
Then the Greens whine when Labor puts its own requirements first.
Then the Greens project their problems with processing their totally odious sexual urges onto Labor.
Then the Greens state that when Labor achieves something good, it is because of Greens ‘advocacy’.
Then the Greens proclaim the true delights of a Labor-Greens Coalition.
‘Fuck off’ comes readily to mind.
I do hope that these fuddy kiddies don’t just grow old but also take the real world opportunity to mature while they are at it.
The Gs intend to slit Labor’s throat. There will be no cooperation until the Gs change their game plan.
BW does another objective political comment on the Greens. 😆
Just was polled by RoyMorgan regarding NSW voting intention.
First Q “If a State Election for NSW were being held today, which party would receive your first preference? L=Lib N=Nat A=ALP G=Greens C=Christian Democrats H=One Nation X=Other”
Second Q “And what concerns you the most about a re-elected :=NP Government under Premier Gladys Berejiklian?”
Victoria;
The Guardian UK isnt a very good source of information, they have a journalist there who has a very bad history of making mistakes, i think he is just trying to promote his book.
Note, they have backtracked on sensationals stories about wikileaks and wikileaks is planning on suing them.
The truth will come out eventually.
Confessions @ #55 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 6:10 am
I think it goes beyond that. The Libs are fighting causes and promoting agendas that no-one gives a stuff about.
SSM was but one issue, safe schools is another. The best example though was the brou-ha-ha over 18c. How much time and energy did they devote to that? And for what? Their supposed right to be arseholes and say offensive things. Meanwhile everyone just ignored it all and got on with their lives.
Maybe the Feds could amend S 23 of the ACT (Self-Government) Act 1988 (Cth) to exclude laws being made as to the legalisation of pot like they did with assisted suicide
Just looking at the sidebar.
You can still get $1.14 on Labor winning the Victorian State election.
Pretty safe bet I think! 🙂
It seems, on reflection, that whilst Trumble was utterly useless and had lost more than enough of the swinging voters in the centre to suffer a pretty solid loss at the next election, he did keep the Liberals strangely unified.
For all the talk from the RWFWs in the Murdochracy, 2GB and Sky after dark of Trumble being a communist and how the ‘base’ hated him, he did act as a security blanket that the non culture warrior moderate middle class rusted on Lib could cling to as proof that their party wasn’t completely overrun by nutjobs. They didn’t care that he was just the salesman selling the nutjobs’ wares. It was enough that he was there as a mirage, a veneer of the ‘decent’ people that they believed the Liberal Party was all about.
Tearing him down really does look to have destroyed those delusions. There’s no way for these people to maintain the denial anymore. Abbott was a bit of a lone crazy, but the party sorted that out and put Trumble in, problem solved. But now? They are being confronted with the ugly reality that Abbott wasn’t a lone crazy. They’ve taken over the party.
These people will never vote Labor ever. But they are appalled and dismayed by what the Liberal Party has become and they can no longer pretend it isn’t. Some might try and fight back within the party. But most will just look independents.
Boerwar
Concerns about the precariat have been around for a while. they are basically people who end up in the ideal ‘industrial relations’ situation at work. Ideal that is if you are one of the inhumane Liberal barbarians. They’ll be the people that end up deciding to ‘eat the rich’ as they have nothing to lose.
This from 2012
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-09/standing-the-precariat-is-you-and-me/3820486
But Lizzie
Business profits are up feeding into government coffers
And those who have sheltered behind asset write offs and write downs have seen their profits (finally) now resulting in a tax assessment (at least for some)
Then we have the reproduced summary of stagnant wages growth
And a government cutting expenditures including by amending the Aged Pension criteria to exclude a trench of partly self funded retirees who previously qualified for a part pension among other draconian measures
The largesse including child care subsidies are aimed at those in work
“Work until you are 70”
Except some may prefer to stay at home to raise their children
Gareth @ #137 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 10:51 am
Q2 is really easy; Answer: ‘Everything!”
poroti
One of the things I loathe about people like Sloane is that they can trouser a third of a million dollars a year for arrogantaly putting absolute shit on the precariat and the naltijarras.
The Feds have many ways of banning marijuana in the ACT because, for as long as the ACT is a territory and not a state, the ACT is 100% subordinate to the Federal Parliament.
Kerryn Phelps presser very effectively attacking continuing detention of refugees.
BW
One of the things I loathe about people like Sloane is that they can trouser a third of a million dollars a year for arrogantaly putting absolute shit on the precariat and the naltijarras.
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She’s paid precisely because of what she writes and spouts!
Now it’s about Dutton High Court.
Hinch and Wilkie making good points.