A weekend to forget for the Coalition has been compounded by Newspoll’s finding that its federal operation is down yet another point, putting Labor’s lead at 55-45. Its primary vote is down a point to 34%, the equal lowest since the 2016 election, while Labor is steady on 40%, the Greens are unchanged on 9% and One Nation are up two to 6%. Scott Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is down slightly, from 43-35 to 42-36. Nonetheless, Scott Morrison’s personal ratings have improved since a fortnight ago, with approval up four to 43% and disapproval down five to 42%, while Bill Shorten is up two to 37% and steady on 50%. The poll will have been conducted Thursday to Sunday and the sample around 1700, although it’s not specified in the online report.
UPDATE: The sample size was 1717.
sprocket_ @ #1946 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 12:43 pm
Why stop there – make them wait for medicare – and make their kids wait for education…. let’s just be heartless !@#$s
Pegasus @ #1948 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 12:45 pm
Yes now Victoria is done and dusted Lib-Lab now focuses on drawing votes from Queensland/NSW rednecks.
Rex
As migrants it never entered our heads that we should go straight on to welfare.
Just 2 days ago Briefly called me an ‘it’ and said that ‘it deserves resentment’.
No I didn’t. You must have mis-read the post. You’d be well-advised not to verbal the bludgers. You can also drop the supremacist act. It won’t wash.
lizzie
The idea that migrants arrive and then “just go on welfare” is straight from 2GB land. Migrants now will be not much different from the ”old days’ when it comes to wanting to get ahead.
sprocket_ says:
Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 12:43 pm
Why should migrants – non refugee migrants – be entitled to welfare as soon as they arrive? Curious to know the case for.
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Why would the so-called humans who are members of one of the wealthiest human societies ever to exist deny any chance of supporting their fellow human beings, if misfortune should befall them and deny any chance for them to survive otherwise?
Seems like being a bunch of fearful and selfish nongs with no real understanding of the facts of the matter would be one reason for voting yes in such a matter.
I am sure it has been reported many times in many places that actually, migrants and even refugees in general work harder and contribute more to Australian economic activity than Australian born people.
Seems right to me.
I would say that overall more Aussies are more lazy, arrogant and ignorant than most overseas born people I know who have made it here more recently.
Seems like another ample example of how those who end up with the most are generally the most mercenary scumbags.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-wealth-reduces-compassion/
“Who is more likely to lie, cheat, and steal—the poor person or the rich one? It’s temping to think that the wealthier you are, the more likely you are to act fairly. After all, if you already have enough for yourself, it’s easier to think about what others may need. But research suggests the opposite is true: as people climb the social ladder, their compassionate feelings towards other people decline.”
Well, that just sounded like a lecture from Quoll, rather than a justification.
poroti
Agree. These are not ‘refugees’. I’m afraid that the RWNJs have distorted language.
Quoll is describing refugees, for whom of course we should have compassion.
Zoidlord @ #1736 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 12:44 pm
Julia Banks could always stand for the Labor Party at the next election. And win. They do it in America all the time, switch parties.
“The conventional wisdom is that refugees are a burden on the country they end up in. They are usually unskilled and have little or no money, the thinking goes, so they must be supported by the limited resources and generosity of the better-off. Not exactly”.
https://qz.com/495390/refugees-the-most-enterprising-migrants-in-australia/
The chinese are marking 40 years since Deng Xiaoping started to open up China. The comrades even flew in Milton Friedman to help tell them what to do . The comrades decided he was not worth listening to. What a pity a bit more of that approach to Milton was taken in the West. Not that you would ever want their government though.
https://outline.com/m7y7J6
Haha
Chutzpah meet gall:
The Greens Virtue Signallers Party does not live by its OWN Code of Conduct.
C@tmomma @ #1959 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:05 pm
She could run in Menzies, Chisholm or Kooyong and steal another jewel from the Liberal party crown.
quoll
‘I would say that overall more Aussies are more lazy, arrogant and ignorant than most overseas born people I know who have made it here more recently.’
Typical Greens.
lizzie @ #1753 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:09 pm
Inch by inch by inch by inch. Then, before you know it, it falls off a cliff! 🙂
Boerwar @ #1754 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:10 pm
So bloody condescending to their fellow Australians.
lizzie
What I am hearing in this legislation is the sort of bullshit Murdoch etc. have pumped out for years in the UK tabloids. Endless claims of “immigrants” getting ‘free’ phones,cars,flats etc etc. as they sit on their arses living of ‘welfare’ . Back in Howard’s time the same claims started popping up here.
‘doyley says:
Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 12:43 pm
Good morning all,
The liberals really need to go back to school and re do politics 101.
If Pyne had stayed away from making threats to the cross bench….’
Classic, really. The Liberals don’t bully women except when they bully women.
“Why should migrants – non refugee migrants – be entitled to welfare as soon as they arrive? Curious to know the case for.”
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For exactly the same reason we would let a natural-born Australian be entitled to welfare as soon as they are independent of their parents: nobody knows when they will be struck down by misfortune and need to rely upon it to get by until they can stand on their own two feet again.
Boerwar
Yes,pretty bad ‘timing’ given the NSW Greens’ circus.
C@t
One can only assume that Quoll was referring to the Australians he knows best: the Greens.
poroti @ #1757 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:12 pm
Hearing from whom? Coalition MPs? Coalition supporters on other social media platforms? And, anyway, what relevance do those opinions have anyway? They’re not being written into the legislation as amendments are they?
At the end of the day the legislation is about Migrants. These days, people and families who migrate here under their own financial steam.
Julia Banks may have moved to the crossbench.
I haven’t seen or heard her say anything that in any way would make her a suitable Labor candidate.
BW, comments like quolls about natural-born Australians are unhelpful, to say the least.
Yes,pretty bad ‘timing’ given the NSW Labor’s circus, as in Husar and Foley.
Boerwar @ #1761 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:15 pm
😆 Yes, for seeming young people, The Greens supporters here, Quoll, nath and, kind of, Rex, they have a lot of time on their hands to comment on PB.
This has the smell of a Leadership coup brewing.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2018/nov/28/coalition-labor-morrison-dutton-shorten-australian-politics-live?page=with:block-5bfdd849e4b0de80e896ddb3#block-5bfdd849e4b0de80e896ddb3
C@t
What dire problem is this solving ? Migrants in recent years have suddenly turned into bludgers ? Virtue signalling to PHON is fashionable ?
Has Husar met with Shorten yet?…supposed to be today iirc.
NSW Labor doesn’t want her to stand as its candidate in Lindsay…no support there.
Will Shorten support her?
Pegasus @ #1765 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:18 pm
Yes, regrettable when Labor deals quickly and decisively with it’s sexual harassment incidents, eg Luke Foley, eh? Unlike The Greens.
The Greens are trying to force a Code of Conduct down everyone’s throat when they do not meet that Code themselves.
It is quite a good Code, IMO.
Have the Greens who tried to sack S H-Y as a candidate been dealt with in line with the Code?
Have the serious breaches of the Code in the ACT been dealt with?
Have the various breaches of the Code in Victoria been dealt with?
Have the serious breaches of the Code in NSW been dealt with?
The Greens signal virtue; behave sordid.
Pegasus @ #1769 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:22 pm
Quaint how you are more prepared to talk about Labor, than you ever are to talk about The Greens and their problems. You just run away from it generally.
Pegasus
Yes but the NSW Lib+Lab cesspools were not the ones trying to look virtuous.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/28/australia-isnt-on-track-to-meet-its-2030-emissions-target-un-report-says
poroti @ #1768 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:21 pm
Is there a problem at all? Most of the migrants I have met come well-prepared for survival in their new country. Or, if they have any difficulty, have no difficulty finding a job.
Bob Carr publicly stated that he wanted to retain the ICAC because of its public mandate, and remarked privately, ‘It keeps my party’s criminal faction in check.’
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-14/dempster-corruption-allegations-at-the-heart-of-the-alp/4426510
The NSW ALP criminal faction! Only a few have been sent to jail. Were you a member of the Terrigals C@t?
‘I would say that overall more Aussies are more lazy, arrogant and ignorant than most overseas born people I know who have made it here more recently’
And yet the communities who voted against same sex marriage were mostly overseas born.
zoomster @ #1989 Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 – 1:28 pm
the need to deflect is cringeworthy
Second mention of that quote nath. Didn’t get the rile you expected the first time round?
Di Natale has overseen record bad behaviour against women inside the Greens.
He should do the right thing and resign.
Stop picking on the Greens hypocricy!
The Greens might by dripping with misogyny and have an epidemic of sexual harassment and poor treatment of women that Di Natale is to coward to front up to.
But look at the brave stand he is taking in the senate these last couple of days about sexism and bullying from others outside of his party. So brave and righteous. His christ like political sacrifice gives all the Green fellow travellers, including the regulars here at PB, full rights to focus on Labor’s barely comparable situations
People just pick on the Greens to make it harder for them to be Labor’s conscience
Gareth
says:
Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 1:31 pm
Second mention of that quote nath. Didn’t get the rile you expected the first time round?
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I thought it was too good just to use once. It’s hilarious!
God Julie Bishop is in fantastic knick.
Yes, I said it. Do not @ me.
poroti,
Both major parties have resisted implementing a code of conduct for parliamentarians for years. The Greens party has attempted to remedy this but to nop avail.
For example in 2012:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-code-of-conduct-is-no-ethical-cure-all-20120604-1zsc4.html
It is entirely the right time for the Greens to attempt once again on the back of the deplorable comment by O’Sullivan to SHY yesterday.
Yes, in a battle of wits between Phelps and Pyne there is only one winner…
And only one and a half wits.
Crikey
I think migrants are probably not a very representative sample of any population. They have self selected to move so they are a pretty special bunch. If you looked at Aussie who moved to Asia, they’d probably be pretty motivated and worldly.