Après le déluge

Situations vacant for aspiring Liberals, first in Wentworth, now in Chisholm, and perhaps soon in Curtin. Also: polls for the ACT Senate and next weekend’s New South Wales state by-election in Wagga Wagga, neither good for the Libs.

Post-leadership change turbulence costs the Liberals a sitting MP in a crucial marginal seat, as preselection hopefuls jockey for safe seat vacancies:

• Liberal MP Julia Banks yesterday announced she will not recontest her Melbourne seat of Chisholm, citing bullying she was subjected to ahead of last week’s leadership vote by the anti-Malcolm Turnbull camp. Banks won the seat on the retirement of Labor member Anna Burke in 2016, making her the only Coalition member to gain a seat from Labor at the election. Rob Harris of the Herald Sun reports the Liberals will choose their new candidate in a community preselection, which presumably entails an open primary style arrangement in which anyone on the electoral roll can participate. Labor has endorsed Jennifer Yang, former adviser to Bill Shorten and mayor of Manningham who ran second as a candidate in the Melbourne lord mayoral election in May, finishing 3.0% behind winning candidate Sally Capp after preferences. The party initially preselected the unsuccessful candidate from 2016, former Monash mayor Stefanie Perri, but she announced her withdrawal in May, saying she had been deterred by the expreience of Tim Hammond.

Alexandra Smith of the Sydney Morning Herald cites “several senior Liberals” who say the “only real contenders” for the Wentworth preselection are Dave Sharma, former ambassador to Israel, and Andrew Bragg, a director at the Business Council of Australia and former leader of the Yes same-sex marriage survey campaign. The report says Sharma has moderate factional support, including from powerbroker Michael Photios, while Bragg is supported in local branches. It also says it is no foregone conclusion that Labor will contest the seat, despite having an election candidate in place in Tim Murray, managing partner of investment research firm J Capital. An earlier report by Alexandra Smith suggested Christine Forster’s bid for Liberal preselection appeared doomed in part because, as an unidentified Liberal source put it: “She is an Abbott and how does that play in a Wentworth byelection? Not well I would suggest.”

Primrose Riordan of The Australian identifies three potential candidates to succeed Julie Bishop in Curtin, assuming she retires. They are Emma Roberts, a BHP corporate lawyer who contested the preselection to succeed Colin Barnett in the state seat of Cottesloe, but was defeated by David Honey; Erin Watson-Lynn, director of Asialink Diplomacy at the University of Melbourne; and Rick Newnham, chief econmist at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

Sally Whyte of the Canberra Times reports a Greens-commissioned ReachTEL poll of the Canberra electorate suggests ACT Liberal Senator Zed Seselja’s role in Malcolm Turnbull’s demise may have put his seat in danger. Elections for the ACT’s two Senate seats have always resulted in one seat each for Labor, but the Liberal seat could potentially fall to the Greens if its vote fell significantly below one third. After allocating results of a forced response question for the initially undecided, the results are Labor 39.6%, the Greens 24.2%, Liberal 23.7% and One Nation 2.8%. Even accounting for the fact that the Canberra electorate is particularly strong for the Greens, these numbers suggest there would be a strong possibility of Greens candidate Penny Kyburz overhauling Seselja on preferences. The poll also finds 64.6% of voters saying Seselja’s role in Turnbull’s downfall made them less likely to vote for him, with only 13.0% saying it made them more likely to, and 22.4% saying it made no difference. Among Liberal voters, the respective figures were 38.7%, 29.6% and 31.7%.

In other news, the Liberals in New South Wales are managing expectations ahead of a feared defeat in Saturday week’s Wagga Wagga state by-election, most likely at the hands of independent Joe McGirr. Andrew Clennell of The Australian reports a ReachTEL poll commissioned by Shooters Fishers and Farmers has the Liberals on 30.2%, Labor on 23.8%, McGirr on 18.4% and Shooters Fishers and Farmers on 10.9%, after exclusion of the 7.4% undecided. However, McGirr faces a complication in Shooters Fishers and Farmers’ unusual decision to direct preferences to Labor, which could potentially prevent him from overtaking them to make the final count. According to Clennell’s report, “any government loss post-mortem would be expected to focus on why the Liberals did not let the Nationals run for the seat”.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. P1

    Don’t know – I’m not a candidate, and it’s not my responsibility to be across all areas of Labor policy.

    You can google as well as I can, I’m sure.

  2. Spence says:
    Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:30 pm
    Don – well done on webcam. What are the costs for installing and maintaining?

    ___________________

    If you go through

    http://ozforecast.com.au/

    the only cost is the camera and hooking it up. I needed a power point in the roof, and got an electrician to do that and connect the camera. I found that I could not get the camera to connect to my wifi (tin roof cuts the transmission probably), so I ran an ethernet cable from the camera connection through the ceiling/attic space in the roof to above the computer room (at the other end of the house, of course!) and then down to the router. The roof has a fairly low pitch, so it is a hands and knees job, and try not to put a knee through the plasterboard.

    It has been trouble free for many years.

    ozforecast provide help and free hosting.

  3. Emma Alberrici sums up the reality of Liberal coal mining policy in this tweet:
    “EXCLUSIVE to #abcPM @alexbhturnbull “There is undue influence on Lib party policy by a small group of miners who have assets they probably regret purchasing that don’t make a lot of sense anymore & they’re trying to engineer an outcome which makes those projects economic” #auspol

    So the Liberals have been corrupted into using public money to buy out some right wing investors from some bad investments.

    Yes I saw that tweet yesterday
    It sounds very plausible
    My twitter settings seem to be on the fritz, Twitter has started sorting them according to my interests

  4. Dutton was just doing his usual trick of pointing at Labor – deflection. How do we know that a Labor Imm minister would act the same? We don’t.

  5. Zoomster,
    there is good reason to use the block function. P1 has always been recalcitrant. Repeatedly and tiresomely going over the same arguments, totally pointless.
    My time on this bb is so much better without P1, Rex, nath amongst others. I suggest that you think about it

  6. Adrian

    Any one who signs the Official Secrets Act usually keeps quiet. Why risk your pension on revenge for an impregnable pollie

  7. lizzie @ #652 Friday, August 31st, 2018 – 4:43 pm

    Dutton was just doing his usual trick of pointing at Labor – deflection. How do we know that a Labor Imm minister would act the same? We don’t.

    Had a Labor minister humanely released an au pair into the service of a wealthy mate, I’m sure spud would’ve told us by now.

  8. Lizzie I can’t imagine a labor immigration minister acting the same unaccountable way in this current toxic political climate

    The current ALP is trying to be all about due process whereas the coalition is all about small government ie no process, no accountability and no audit That’s why they like replacing public servants with contractors

  9. Steve777 @ Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    Re size of Lower House chambers:

    Australia 151 for 25 million: average about 166,000 per seat (about 100,000 voters).

    UK: 650 for 67 million: 103,000 per seat.

    USA: 435 for 326 million: 749,000 per seat (excludes 5 non-voting members)

    So increasing the Parliament by 50% takes Australia to approximately equal representation per lower house member to UK.

    Of course they have no democratic upper house (although the House of Lords has 793 members, so much larger than even an enlarged Senate) and no State Governments (although the Scottish, Welsh, Northern Ireland assemblies and London Council have similar roles), so probably their total number of politicians per person probably works out as roughly equal.

    Oh and of course, MEPs on top of that, for now.

  10. Dovey

    I have been reminding myself at regular intervals why I don’t usually engage with P1; thanks for the additional reminder!

  11. On our drive back home from Newcastle to the Glorious Mid-North Coast the other day, we decided to return via Kooragang Island and Bedowie, rather than the standard route via Hexham.

    On Kooragang Island you drive past several kilometres of coal loaders: conveyors, rail marshalling yards, and bulk carrier berths, one after the other.

    They are many, and they are massive, truly gargantuan.

    The cost to erect and operate them is clearly in the billions.

    It’s easy to see how and why the coal companies are ready to pay politicians of the right to spruik the coal industry.

    The amount shelled out in bribes, donations and publicity costs would be a drop in ocean compared to even one day’s operating costs.

    Don’t expect these people to give up easily.

  12. Dovey @ #1107 Friday, August 31st, 2018 – 4:50 pm

    Zoomster,
    there is good reason to use the block function. P1 has always been recalcitrant. Repeatedly and tiresomely going over the same arguments, totally pointless.
    My time on this bb is so much better without P1, Rex, nath amongst others. I suggest that you think about it

    So much easier than actually debating the issues. And these are not trivial ones- these are the biggies: Population policy. Immigration policy. Climate change policy.

    The perfect social media solution – let’s just block those asking difficult questions!

    And then somehow, expect to get elected.

  13. P1 at zoom:

    So you think your party has a policy, but you don’t actually know.

    ________________________

    P1, you are a deadshit. Pull your bloody head in.

  14. don @ #1082 Friday, August 31st, 2018 – 4:23 pm

    Rocket Rocket says:
    Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:18 pm
    don – long may it rain!

    _______________

    Thanks! Looks like there is at least another half an hour in it on the radar.

    KJ should have got it too, maybe just easing up for him now.

    I will rouse myself, wander about and scan the ground and sky.
    Or perhaps get reports from two journalists and pick the one I like best.
    OK, out of bed……….

  15. Abbott’s job will be to deliver a consensus interim legislative response to the Call from the Heart.
    A large amount of work has been done behind the scenes on this already.
    His parachuting into this process may save it from the ravages of the racist rightwing lunatics.
    Something bipartisan on this might actually get up before the next election.
    It will NOT be Constitutional change.
    It might be better than nothing.
    I don’t know.
    I am thinking aloud.

  16. Anything short of the Voice to Parliament originally called for will have to be ripped to shreds. The stakeholders have said what they want, it’s the government’s job to make it happen.

  17. Player One says:
    Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:03 pm
    don @ #1117 Friday, August 31st, 2018 – 5:01 pm

    P1, you are a deadshit. Pull your bloody head in.

    Why?

    __________________

    Why are you a deadshit?

    As my beloved father used to say “Christ only knows, and he ain’t tellin'”

  18. Sceptic

    His Bro is well into it

    Street Talk understands Glencore has focused efforts to sell its Rolleston coal mine in central Queensland on Winfield Energy Group; a new entity set up by ex-Peabody executives Rob Hammond and John Canavan.

    Sources said the Winfield pair and its financing plans were well known to Glencore’s top brass, and its interest was sufficient enough that the Swiss miner was holding on to hope of offloading the asset

    https://www.afr.com/street-talk/glencore-unearths-new-coal-hopeful-for-rolleston-mine-20180628-h11ywz

  19. We have indeed have some rain in Newcastle.
    The forecast is trending for more of the same for the next week or so.

    I hope so for my personal wellbeing.
    Rain – grass grows, leads to mowing (not dancing), counts as exercise, with a hey, nonny nonny

    BALTHASAR
    (singing)
     ♫Sigh no more, ladies, ♫sigh no more,
     Men were♪ deceivers ever,♫
     One♫ foot in sea and one on ♫shore,
     To one thing♪ constant ♫never.

     ♫Then sigh not so, ♫but let them go,
     And be you blithe♫ and bonny,
     ♪Converting all your ♫sounds of woe
     Into Hey, ♫nonny nonny.

     ♫Sing no more ditties, ♪sing no mo
     Of dumps so ♫dull and heavy.
     The ♫fraud of men was ♪ever so,

     Since♫ summer first was ♫leavy.

     Then ♫sigh not so, but let ♪them go
     And be you♫ blithe and ♫bonny,
     ♫Converting all your ♪sounds of woe
     Into Hey,♫ nonny nonny.

    🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

  20. Barney in Go Dau @ #1123 Friday, August 31st, 2018 – 5:12 pm

    What zoomster can’t have a personal view and must only express Labor Party policy?

    Of course she can. But she claimed Labor had policies. However, it turns out that not only does she not know what they are (and I don’t mean the details, just the general idea) she doesn’t really know whether they actually do or not.

  21. Oz headline:

    BREAKING
    Turnbull quits politics, sets up by-election
    5:02PMROSIE LEWIS
    Malcolm Turnbull has quit federal parliament, one week after being ousted from the top job, ending 14 years as an MP.

  22. There is a Company which, after 100 years (a long time anyway) has lost its status on the DJIA, which constitutes the leading 30 Stocks in the USA after its Share Price fell thru the $20- Mark and kept falling

    Guess what it invested in?

    Four letters starting with “C” and ending in “L”

    That has seen its demise

    Lesson learnt

    The markets have spoken

    And, on the government that promotes the four letter word referred to:-

    “I wish Ted would be quiet because I don’t think him bagging the Liberal Party helped the Liberal Party”, Mr Smith told ABC Radio

    “He has his go and he messed it up and if he wants to speak up, he should attack the (Labor) Government, not the Liberal Party”

    Then Troeth has bought in – along with Laundy whose call for an official inquiry she supports

    So now Baillieu, the only Liberal Leader to have won a Victorian State election in the past 20 years is being told to “be quiet” over the bullying and sexism ties racking the Party

    So now Baillieu is being bullied

    Because being told to be quiet and being told what you should confine your remarks to is bullying noting that bullying is thru the media

    The Liberal Party are dysfunctional

    The Federal Government is dysfunctional

    The Victorian Opposition is dysfunctional

    They are bullies and bover boys

    “Kroger and Baillieu feud openly over Liberals’ ‘woman problem’

  23. A largely disappointing career in federal politics from Mr Turnbull. Unfortunately he wasted the bulk of the political capital he had. I can only hope in retirement he finds a voice and contributes in a way he could not in Parliament.

  24. The tone suggests Quadbike would love to leak
    .
    ‘Dutton inquiry study a hoot’
    AUGUST 30, 2018
    Mr Quaedvlieg, acknowledging reports he was poring over the government’s official statements to ensure they were “consistent with the facts as he knows them to be”, said the endeavour had “been a hoot”.

    Mr Quaedvlieg, who was sacked in March for misbehaviour, had a torrid relationship with Home Affairs secretary Mike ­Pezzullo.
    https://outline.com/gw4JEE

  25. I read Waleed All’s article in SMH about 40 minutes ago. It took me about 20 minutes to compose myself to think clearly.
    To give tourist visa to “au pairs” women is a sign of “humane and generous society” even against the advice of the Immigration department. Then how is it “humane and generous” to prevent sick kids in Nauru from coming to OZ for medical treatment?
    I cannot believe these kind of things are happening in Australia. That is the lreason why Trump asked MT how his government is getting away with this policy. Seeing what happened in OZ Trump is implementing the similar policy in US.

  26. Player One @ #1130 Friday, August 31st, 2018 – 2:22 pm

    Barney in Go Dau @ #1123 Friday, August 31st, 2018 – 5:12 pm

    What zoomster can’t have a personal view and must only express Labor Party policy?

    Of course she can. But she claimed Labor had policies. However, it turns out that not only does she not know what they are (and I don’t mean the details, just the general idea) she doesn’t really know whether they actually do or not.

    Considering they are the alternate Government, Labor would have policies in all areas of Government.

    She never expressed doubt that they had a policy, only that she didn’t know what it was.

    What’s surprising about that?

    There would be Labor Members of Parliament that would struggle on certain areas of Labor policy.

    Add to that the fact that we have an upcoming election, so it quite reasonable to expect that the last position expressed on an issue is not the one taken to the next election.

  27. “A largely disappointing career in federal politics from Mr Turnbull. Unfortunately he wasted the bulk of the political capital he had. I can only hope in retirement he finds a voice and contributes in a way he could not in Parliament.”

    He be like counting his money at the local beach in the Caymans.

    Later Biitchez!

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