BludgerTrack: 52.1-47.9 to Labor

The BludgerTrack poll aggregate continues to record a voteless recovery in Malcolm Turnbull’s personal ratings.

Two new polls this week, a particularly strong one for Labor from Essential Research and a stable one from ReachTEL, produce a 0.4% shift to Labor on this week’s reading of the BludgerTrack poll aggregate. Labor gains two on the seat projection, those being in Victoria and Western Australia. Essential provided a new seat of leadership ratings, and these conformed with the existing impression of an upswing in personal support for Malcolm Turnbull that has so far done little to improve his party’s voting intention. Full results through the link below.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

1,845 comments on “BludgerTrack: 52.1-47.9 to Labor”

  1. Grimace

    It was not until I read some analysis at the weekend that I understood the enormity of Labor’s win in Darling Range. 20 per cent plus swings in some booths.

    it would have been very low on the list of winnable seats. Hence a candidate who may not have been scrutinised as well as he should.

    If labor can hold it the local Tories will be in melt down.

  2. Grimace, I was just polled too (on my mobile). I was going to hang up so missed who they were, but then thought I would answer the questions to the best of my ability: I am a 20 something female who is a strong Liberal supporter who is very concerned about border security.

    As is your right, but if this turns out to be Labor internal polling, you will have done your side (I presume) a disservice.

  3. A good story, before I get back to work.

    I heard from one of the Labor state MPs that the passage of the “150m” exclusion zone around reproductive health clinics was roundly supported by the NSW parliament as a whole, across party lines. He was very impressed and surprised. Even very pro-life MPs talked in support of this motion, despite the fact that sinking the legislation would have been seen as a victory from some in the Right to Life movement.

  4. William Bowe @ #1649 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 8:11 pm

    Grimace, I was just polled too (on my mobile). I was going to hang up so missed who they were, but then thought I would answer the questions to the best of my ability: I am a 20 something female who is a strong Liberal supporter who is very concerned about border security.

    As is your right, but if this turns out to be Labor internal polling, you will have done your side (I presume) a disservice.

    I agree with you WB. If you agree to partiicpate in a poll you should do so honestly.

  5. PeeBee says:
    Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 8:04 pm
    Grimace, I was just polled too (on my mobile). I was going to hang up so missed who they were, but then thought I would answer the questions to the best of my ability: I am a 20 something female who is a strong Liberal supporter who is very concerned about border security.

    lol.

    This demographic would be 1/500 and essentially totally unpersuadable by Labor. Good luck with that.

    I don’t think I’ve actually met very many youngish females who are self-declaring rusted-on Libs, and still fewer who actually give 2 hoots about border security…which is just a euphemism for other stuff. 1/500…maybe 1/1000.

  6. I heard from one of the Labor state MPs that the passage of the “150m” exclusion zone around reproductive health clinics was roundly supported by the NSW parliament as a whole, across party lines.

    I’m surprised by that too. But it’s good to be reminded that Australia isn’t as divided on issues such as abortion as countries like the US.

    And long may it remain so.

  7. Greensborough Growler @ #1486 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 2:39 pm

    DTT does a lot of reading from dinky conspiracy sites and gathers information that is sometimes interesting. However, she always starts with a conclusion and then only accepts data that fits her pre-determined conclusions. So her ability to interpret and make logical conclusions based on the data is impaired. You alws knows she’s data fitting when she talks about her gut and the like.

    Basically, she’s a catastrophist unable to countenance alternative points of views in her mission to save the world. She also assumes only she has the special insight to know the truth.. She becomes threatening and abusive whenever her opinions are questioned.

    As a practicing Christian I have seen a lot of such zealots in my time.

    I also reckon (gut feel) that she has mental health issues.

    However, her chiding of my Year 10 education is beyond the pale. Year 10 was the best 5 years of my life.

    GG

    That was a particularly offensive comment but in some weird way well meaning and therefore worth a response.

    Firstly I do not do to dinky conspiracy site, but i do go to some alternative sites. There is a difference you know. I by and large avoid all the Fox news and Bannoist sites and also the Libertarian sites which while occasionally having useful stuff are pretty nutty.

    I go to Information Clearing House which is fairly left and sometimes links to conspiracy sites but it also links to the SMH sometimes too. The best link is almost always Pepe Escobar of the Asian Times – is that a conspiracy site.

    I also go the RCP another clearing house which is a slightly right leaning site but basically provides a reasonably balanced set of links to US politics. While most of the articles are biased, by presenting both sides of each issue you can sort of get a feel for what is going on. They have the best polling data.

    The only “off beat” slightly wacko site I visit is the Saker. Now he is an odd ball but one with a certain amount of inside knowledge. As a Russian speaker born of the White Russian Community, but growing up in the West and working for some years in military intelligence he has a most unusual perspective. He is a devout Russian Orthodox, passionately anti communist but also very pro Putin. His perspective, basic good intelligence and inside knowledge of Russia makes his comments interesting and much, much more credible than anything we get here. Part of the problem for our journos is the lack of Russian language skills.

    Now as for starting with a conclusion first – perhaps I like just about EVERY poster do this although I do try hard NOT to do this. Call out just about every other poster for this same flaw GG. You only notice me because my conclusions are not the same as the MSN or current group think.

    Now your comment about data fitting is really very very unfair. Are you not aware that when I say “my gut” etc I am agreeing with you and giving fir warning that it IS based on a feel rather than data. I would be rightfully called out if I made false claims about data.

    In fact i was this morning over the Shia%. I had wrongly recalled an idea that they were majority in Saudi. When this was noted I checked myself and accepted my mistake. I will accept criticism when justified but this one is unfair given I try very hard to acknowledge when i am using my own guess work as opposed to a reliable”source”

    I may be a bit of a catastrophist but given the endless woe Trump, woe Turnbull woe woe on here I reckon I m pretty mild. I happen to fear war and especially nuclear war. if that is being a catastrophist i accept with pride.

    I am always pleased to read well reasoned alternative views.I did say WELL REASONED did I not.

    I do not claim special insight, but I do seem to read a little more than some – although there are plenty on here who read a lot too.

    I only ever get angry when i am first abused. Engage politely and I think you will find me extremely reasonable. But start of as you did this morning with an unnecessary comment about thinking – abuse for the sake of childish abuse, then i will give a return serve. If you do not like my opinions take the time to tell me why. I might even agree. Indeed GG you did a fly by today suggesting I support the Trump Summit or some such. Clearly this was not what i was saying and I take a dim view of those who deliberately misconstrue what I write.

    Now as to my “mental health” you as a Christian believe in supernatural space men. Nuff said. I could speculate on your mental health and personality, but I will not. I am a little eccentric but not a shred of mental health problems. i am however bored often which probably explains why i bother with this site. That I do agree is possibly a clear sign of metal illness.

  8. Confessions @ #1657 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 8:21 pm

    I heard from one of the Labor state MPs that the passage of the “150m” exclusion zone around reproductive health clinics was roundly supported by the NSW parliament as a whole, across party lines.

    I’m surprised by that too. But it’s good to be reminded that Australia isn’t as divided on issues such as abortion as countries like the US.

    And long may it remain so.

    The issue is more about condoning harassment than agreeing with abortion.

  9. daretotread. @ #1658 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 8:23 pm

    Greensborough Growler @ #1486 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 2:39 pm

    DTT does a lot of reading from dinky conspiracy sites and gathers information that is sometimes interesting. However, she always starts with a conclusion and then only accepts data that fits her pre-determined conclusions. So her ability to interpret and make logical conclusions based on the data is impaired. You alws knows she’s data fitting when she talks about her gut and the like.

    Basically, she’s a catastrophist unable to countenance alternative points of views in her mission to save the world. She also assumes only she has the special insight to know the truth.. She becomes threatening and abusive whenever her opinions are questioned.

    As a practicing Christian I have seen a lot of such zealots in my time.

    I also reckon (gut feel) that she has mental health issues.

    However, her chiding of my Year 10 education is beyond the pale. Year 10 was the best 5 years of my life.

    GG

    That was a particularly offensive comment but in some weird way well meaning and therefore worth a response.

    Firstly I do not do to dinky conspiracy site, but i do go to some alternative sites. There is a difference you know. I by and large avoid all the Fox news and Bannoist sites and also the Libertarian sites which while occasionally having useful stuff are pretty nutty.

    I go to Information Clearing House which is fairly left and sometimes links to conspiracy sites but it also links to the SMH sometimes too. The best link is almost always Pepe Escobar of the Asian Times – is that a conspiracy site.

    I also go the RCP another clearing house which is a slightly right leaning site but basically provides a reasonably balanced set of links to US politics. While most of the articles are biased, by presenting both sides of each issue you can sort of get a feel for what is going on. They have the best polling data.

    The only “off beat” slightly wacko site I visit is the Saker. Now he is an odd ball but one with a certain amount of inside knowledge. As a Russian speaker born of the White Russian Community, but growing up in the West and working for some years in military intelligence he has a most unusual perspective. He is a devout Russian Orthodox, passionately anti communist but also very pro Putin. His perspective, basic good intelligence and inside knowledge of Russia makes his comments interesting and much, much more credible than anything we get here. Part of the problem for our journos is the lack of Russian language skills.

    Now as for starting with a conclusion first – perhaps I like just about EVERY poster do this although I do try hard NOT to do this. Call out just about every other poster for this same flaw GG. You only notice me because my conclusions are not the same as the MSN or current group think.

    Now your comment about data fitting is really very very unfair. Are you not aware that when I say “my gut” etc I am agreeing with you and giving fir warning that it IS based on a feel rather than data. I would be rightfully called out if I made false claims about data.

    In fact i was this morning over the Shia%. I had wrongly recalled an idea that they were majority in Saudi. When this was noted I checked myself and accepted my mistake. I will accept criticism when justified but this one is unfair given I try very hard to acknowledge when i am using my own guess work as opposed to a reliable”source”

    I may be a bit of a catastrophist but given the endless woe Trump, woe Turnbull woe woe on here I reckon I m pretty mild. I happen to fear war and especially nuclear war. if that is being a catastrophist i accept with pride.

    I am always pleased to read well reasoned alternative views.I did say WELL REASONED did I not.

    I do not claim special insight, but I do seem to read a little more than some – although there are plenty on here who read a lot too.

    I only ever get angry when i am first abused. Engage politely and I think you will find me extremely reasonable. But start of as you did this morning with an unnecessary comment about thinking – abuse for the sake of childish abuse, then i will give a return serve. If you do not like my opinions take the time to tell me why. I might even agree. Indeed GG you did a fly by today suggesting I support the Trump Summit or some such. Clearly this was not what i was saying and I take a dim view of those who deliberately misconstrue what I write.

    Now as to my “mental health” you as a Christian believe in supernatural space men. Nuff said. I could speculate on your mental health and personality, but I will not. I am a little eccentric but not a shred of mental health problems. i am however bored often which probably explains why i bother with this site. That I do agree is possibly a clear sign of metal illness.

    I rest my case!

  10. The dust settling on his trips away were never going to settle in ways Trumpists have been chirping about. A balcony view of both summits shows that Trump is merely debasing the office of Potus, and increasingly isolating the US from long-standing traditional allies.

    White House aides, ripping Canada’s prime minister over trade disputes at the G-7 gathering, vowed not to let him paint President Donald Trump as weak before his nuclear summit.

    In reality, Trump weakened his own hand at both the G-7 and his sit-down with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. His conduct was unprecedented because Trump’s approach to the presidency — applying a narrow definition of America’s self-interest according to his personal whims — is unprecedented.

    And there was no sign of the muscular outcome Trump aides craved. “It has been,” said longtime U.S. diplomat Nicholas Burns, “a bad week for American strength around the world.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/12/from-g-7-to-kim-summit-a-bad-week-for-american-strength-around-the-world.html

  11. Boerwar @ #1643 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 6:04 pm

    Dan
    I can understand why you do not want to discuss the trillion that Di Natale has to find for his UBI. It is, after all, an embarrassment.

    The UBI is a totally separate issue to the “People’s Bank”. They have as much in common as the low rate of the Newstart allowance has to climate change. Important issues, but not even remotely connected.

    As far as the UBi is concerned, I’ve never mad any posts on that topic. I know that something needs to be done to counteract the upcoming dislocation of the workforce, but what that is I’ll happily admit I don’t know. Some are talking about a UBI, some are talking about a job guarantee. Both of them have merits in theory but struggle on the details of how they would work in reality.

    The discussion needs to be had though by people far more clued up than you or I, and it needs to be had sooner rather than later, or as it will probably eventuate, too late.

    You are opposed to a UBI, and that’s fair enough provided that you are opposed to it for socio-economic reasons and not just because it was proposed by di Natalie.

    Free market neo-liberalism is the cause of the upcoming worker dislocation, it can never be the solution.

    So, I’m asking you, what do you propose needs to be done to solve this problem? How will your solution actually work? Have you done any modelling on not only the financial costs, but the impact on society itself?

    These questions are posed to you in all seriousness, and I look forward to reading what you suggest needs to be done, and how it can be done.

  12. DDT – you can play the sexism card all you want. Either you are ignorant of the etymology of the phrase or you are being deliberately obtuse. “Mad woman’s shit” as in “all over the place like …” which is what you post.

    You say that I’m a “fly buy” but I’m just not engaging in the minuscule particulars of your M.O. – which is to start with some so-called “maverick left wing position” and then you only accept evidence that fits that position but mainly, as a make weight, you just make things up. You think that’s ‘thinking out of the box’ but frankly it shows a fundamental problem with reality based logic.

    But hey, I’ve got no problems with our differences of opinion. That’s terrific on a blog like this. However, your ability to dish it out but bleat like a ruptured choir boy when there is return fire is beyond the pale. I don’t need to trace the history of your interaction with GG on this particular topic to note the others that you sledged along the way. Which again is fine, but that sets the standard by which other other bludgers, including Moi, will interact with you. …

  13. Georgina Downer has deleted her Twitter account.
    South Australian Liberal candidate Georgina Downer — who is vying for the seat of Mayo in the upcoming by-election — has deleted her Twitter account, blaming “trolls” using “unacceptable language”.

    The daughter of one-time Liberal leader Alexander Downer started her campaign about six weeks ago, after being endorsed by the party in mid-May.

    Alexander Downer held the seat for 24 years until his retirement in 2008.

    Georgina Downer said she made the decision to delete her Twitter account after some users started directing “insults” and bad language at her.

    “I am no longer active on Twitter because quite frankly Twitter is not the best place where we as political candidates find it’s best to engage with our communities,” she said.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-13/georgina-downer-deletes-twitter-account-in-mayo-campaign/9865002

  14. The endless whinging about neo-liberalism is not interesting. It does not tell us how to run the economy. It is just a whinge about RW domination of the rhetoric. I really want a lot more than moaning about the RW. I want change that will succeed and will serve working people.

  15. This will be the next thing after wedding cakes:

    Two women say an Uber driver kicked them out of his car after he saw them kiss in the back seat. The driver’s taxi license, required to drive for Uber in New York City, has been suspended as the New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission investigates what happened.

    Alex Iovine, 26, and Emma Pichl, 24, live together in Manhattan and have been dating for nearly two years. The couple was heading back to Manhattan on Saturday after celebrating a friend’s birthday at a Brooklyn bar. Iovine says she and her girlfriend were sitting on opposite sides of the back seat when they kissed.

    “The middle seat was open. We were just having a conversation throughout the ride and, at one point, we leaned over into the middle and peck-kissed,” Iovine told CNN. “That’s genuinely all it was.”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/12/us/women-kiss-then-kicked-out-of-uber/index.html

    The Uber drivers will sue for their “right” to kick out gay and lesbian passengers on “religious freedom” grounds.

  16. The Financial Review, which panders to its audience being the business lobbies, headlines “Is financial crisis on the cards”, replicating the Murdoch Marketwatch site which makes an art form of predicting Market crashes.

    The Financial Review headline includes “As house prices fall, banks clamp down on lending” (and I have put on this site my contempt for the navel gazing practices of bankers) “and households struggle to grow their incomes, we should be weighing the potential consequences of binging on debt”

    Amazing stuff, because RBA 10 Year data tells us that our home mortgage debt owed to our home mortgage lenders increased from $335 Billion in January 2000 to $1.226 Trillion in January 2010, that increase significantly until 2008 and the banks turning off the lending taps because of the GFC and fractured Global Capital Markets.

    So a lazy 350% INCREASE in 10 years (effectively 8 years).

    Anecdotal evidence says that debt is now to the order of $1.7 Trillion, so a 40% increase in the 8 years since January 2010.

    Simply, we have lived with elevated debt levels since 2008, even thru the GFC, the impacts of which persist today (and why the management of that Crisis by government in Australia won very much deserved plaudits, internationally).

    Where the real concern is, but the Financial Review, its constituency and the government of that constituency with its media do not cover is “households struggle to grow their incomes”, deferring the responsibility from their constituency to citizens and government services provided to citizens by substituting wage increases to tax cuts.

    So, instead of wage increases by employers, the government will reduce the tax take.

    And when the RBA Governor calls this out, Murdoch presents that the RBA Governor supports tax cuts!

    This government is a clear and present danger to ALL Australians, aided and abetted by their uneducated ego and and greed driven constituency.

    Plus they pander to fear – for perceived Party political promotion.

    The Financial Review presentation is an abject disgrace.

    Yes we see the impact of an economy the Liberal Party has overseen, with leverage the driver of growth, now with the Retail industry languishing, media outlets under pressure (the Costello 9 is a Phoenix Company and a Trade Creditor has converted debt to equity to take control of 10) and house prices falling.

    But the impact can be mitigated against because for every buyer there is a seller, hence the ability to continue to service debt (even with rising interest rates from historically low levels which have persisted for over 10 years now since the GFC) is paramount – and to ensure that we need wage increases, also to drive the economy.

    Even the current treasurer’s assessment of GDP refers to the purchase of ute’s, so debt to be serviced.

    As I say this government is a clear and present danger to the Nation.

    So, get on board to defeat it.

    I was last this vocal, and offered my services in 2004 until the 2007 election – and the reasons for my actions then were well borne out.

    Hence the data I refer to is so well known to me – because that was the danger.

    Not gut feels, but data.

  17. dtt, like Trump, enjoys being attacked. They both invite it. It makes them the centre of attention….and then the boredom factor sets in, so there will be more outlandishly absurd claims, more insults and fabrications, all to relieve the tedium. Sheesh. Unlike Trump, dtt is totally harmless.

  18. Are there any PBers in Broome? I can meet up, maybe. I am 200m kms out and Son is taking me out in the tinny to go fishing on Sunday. Whatever that fish was in his freezer, it was delicious.

  19. briefly @ #1256 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 8:43 pm

    The endless whinging about neo-liberalism is not interesting. It does not tell us how to run the economy. It is just a whinge about RW domination of the rhetoric.

    I think it’s more a whinge about the toxic side-effects of the ideology. Less about the economy and how to run it, and more about the preference for having a fairer, more egalitarian society than one that merely optimizes for maximum profit and growth.

    Maximizing profit and growth is pointless when the large majority of the gains go to benefit a very small (and already well-off) minority of the population. We need a different way of doing things, not a different side in charge of setting the rhetoric.

  20. Dan
    The UBI is a totally separate issue from the bank.
    Not when they are getting the trillions from the same funding source, they aren’t.
    In any case, I am not going to engage in these issues with you any more.
    Di Natale simply isn’t worth it.

  21. “dtt, like Trump, enjoys being attacked. They both invite it. It makes them the centre of attention….and then the boredom factor sets in, so there will be more outlandishly absurd claims, more insults and fabrications, all to relieve the tedium. Sheesh. Unlike Trump, dtt is totally harmless.”

    It is hard to believe anyone is seriously dumb enough to fall for and sprout all the most extreme and most ridiculous fox conspiracy theory. But the kind part of me hopes the fact that Manafort was trying to obstruct justice with a RUSSIAN was obvious enough a clue for a light to come on even in the dimmest minds.

  22. a r says:
    Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 8:51 pm
    briefly @ #1256 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 8:43 pm

    The endless whinging about neo-liberalism is not interesting. It does not tell us how to run the economy. It is just a whinge about RW domination of the rhetoric.

    I think it’s more a whinge about the toxic side-effects of the ideology. Less about the economy and how to run it, and more about the preference for having a fairer, more egalitarian society than one that merely optimizes for maximum profit and growth.

    Maximizing profit and growth is pointless when the large majority of the gains go to benefit a very small (and already well-off) minority of the population. We need a different way of doing things, not a different side in charge of setting the rhetoric.

    That’s what I’m getting at. This is about politics….about the contest of policies and ideas and the mobilisation of voters.

  23. Finally had time to chase down what happened to pollbludger; poof it was gone. And no-one seemed to be concerned.


    You have been blocked for the following reason: 58.111.166.51 (mod_security) mod_security (id:218500) triggered by 58.111.166.51 (AU/Australia/d58-111-166-51.meb802.vic.optusnet.com.au): 5 in the last 3600 secs – Tue Jun 12 17:13:16 2018

    I now have to use a proxy server; and take care not to post often.

  24. Don
    On the matter of worker dislocation as a consequence of AI and robotics and the freedom of capital to go where it will, I frankly do not have THE answer. My policy suggestions would be:
    1. Get rid of all middle and upper class welfare (NO UBI).
    2. Deem corporate income so that profits can’t be offshored.
    3. Get rid of negative gearing.
    4. Jail the thousands of bosses who steal off their workers.
    5. Drop the number of foreigners who work in Australia by 50%.
    6. Raise Newstart by a motsa.
    In terms of the banks, I am not convinced that a subsidised bank would do the trick. Jailing lots of banker crims would, IMO, help.

  25. BW and GG, I wish more people give crap answers to robo telephone polls. That way, they would be useless and they will stop using them and bothering people at tea time!

  26. PeeBee
    I kind of like being polled for real politics ones: it probably counts for more than my real vote!
    What I hate is the sort of robocall that starts by asking your opinion of something and ends with trying to sell you something.

  27. Boerwar says:
    Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 8:52 pm
    Dan
    The UBI is a totally separate issue from the bank.
    Not when they are getting the trillions from the same funding source, they aren’t.
    In any case, I am not going to engage in these issues with you any more.
    Di Natale simply isn’t worth it.

    DiN’s banking idea is very crackpot. It is flea-brained.

    However, we do need to fix the labour supply/demand dysfunction. We need to add demand for labour and we need to equip labour. There are many way to do this and we should do them all. This includes paying unemployed workers enough to live on and investing in them and the parts of the economy where labour demand will grow.

  28. The economy produces a lot of “income”, defined widely. We can always increase the income by increasing investment. That’s what investment does. The disjunction lies in the distribution of income. We have a distributional problem not an income problem. We can increase the capital intensity of the economy, increase incomes and distribute that income more rationally – more equitably. And this should be seen as an iterative process, a self-sustaining process. We can do this. The design for this lies not only in economics. It lies in politics, science, engineering and creativity. It lies in our humanity.

  29. “Neo-Liberalism” is a way of saying No to our humanity. It tells us we cannot realise our potential; that we must suffer denial and deprivation instead. I’m sick of No. I want Yes.

  30. We have very great productive potential. This is vested in our creativity and in our interests and appetites; it is embedded in our intelligence and our energy. Sheesh….
    I am sick of being told No by reactionaries.

  31. Andrew_Earlwood @ #1660 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 8:34 pm

    DDT – you can play the sexism card all you want. Either you are ignorant of the etymology of the phrase or you are being deliberately obtuse. “Mad woman’s shit” as in “all over the place like …” which is what you post.

    You say that I’m a “fly buy” but I’m just not engaging in the minuscule particulars of your M.O. – which is to start with some so-called “maverick left wing position” and then you only accept evidence that fits that position but mainly, as a make weight, you just make things up. You think that’s ‘thinking out of the box’ but frankly it shows a fundamental problem with reality based logic.

    But hey, I’ve got no problems with our differences of opinion. That’s terrific on a blog like this. However, your ability to dish it out but bleat like a ruptured choir boy when there is return fire is beyond the pale. I don’t need to trace the history of your interaction with GG on this particular topic to note the others that you sledged along the way. Which again is fine, but that sets the standard by which other other bludgers, including Moi, will interact with you. …

    Andrew

    Fine by me

    You dish it out and I will dish it back at you.

    However try to avoid sexist comments like mad woman. Say nut case if you like but madwoman IS
    sexist whatever way you look at it.

    You all me a mad woman and I will call you an ALP party hack sheeple. OK. We would both be rather childish. I might even call you a member of the NSW right. Would that be slanderous?

    You are relatively new to this blog, but let me assure you that I have probably been the MOST abused blogger on here. I cop it from all directions. Including William who in fact has been the most offensive of all. I am pretty easy going about it BUT there is an issue of public bullying on social media and I am doing my little bit to fight it.

    Just consider GGs very recent comment. Now if he SERIOUSLY believed his comment about mental health issues i think you and anyone reasonable would considered his comment lower than that of a shit house rat. There is one thing you do NOT do if you think someone is mentally troubled and that is what GG did. Now we have had at least two cases on serious mental illness on this site and in those two I contacted William because of my concern. What i did NOT do is compound the problem by nasty throw away lines.

    Now when I got up this morning and posted a comment with the words thinking in it I did not deserve or need a narky reply from GG. Did I react – yes. Probably I should not have but it was more interesting than cleaning the kitchen.

  32. Observer

    What do you think of the ‘Quantitative Easing ‘ malarky ? To this uber non finance educated person it seems like a ‘magic pudding’ or ‘printing money’ scheme.

  33. A Historic Breakthrough or a Historic Blunder in Singapore?

    Most important, the warm reception from the president of the United States has helped Kim normalize, if not legitimize, North Korea’s status as a nuclear weapons state. Kim is not interested in the Libyan model; he’s interested in the Pakistani model.

    The litmus test for a process that could potentially lead to denuclearization is whether North Korea will make a full declaration of its nuclear inventory and facilities and whether credible international inspections will be able to verify that declaration as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/north-korea/2018-06-12/historic-breakthrough-or-historic-blunder-singapore?cid=nlc-fa_fatoday-20180612

  34. “Okay, so this guy apparently has won the Republican primary for the Senate representing Maine.”

    Yeah if i’m Putin I make sure an agent of Russia is caught trying to rig the election with this guy in it for the dems. It would be massive. Not as massive as helping Trump over the line in terms of destroying the US but still very very big.

  35. daretotread. @ #1689 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 9:19 pm

    Andrew_Earlwood @ #1660 Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 – 8:34 pm

    DDT – you can play the sexism card all you want. Either you are ignorant of the etymology of the phrase or you are being deliberately obtuse. “Mad woman’s shit” as in “all over the place like …” which is what you post.

    You say that I’m a “fly buy” but I’m just not engaging in the minuscule particulars of your M.O. – which is to start with some so-called “maverick left wing position” and then you only accept evidence that fits that position but mainly, as a make weight, you just make things up. You think that’s ‘thinking out of the box’ but frankly it shows a fundamental problem with reality based logic.

    But hey, I’ve got no problems with our differences of opinion. That’s terrific on a blog like this. However, your ability to dish it out but bleat like a ruptured choir boy when there is return fire is beyond the pale. I don’t need to trace the history of your interaction with GG on this particular topic to note the others that you sledged along the way. Which again is fine, but that sets the standard by which other other bludgers, including Moi, will interact with you. …

    Andrew

    Fine by me

    You dish it out and I will dish it back at you.

    However try to avoid sexist comments like mad woman. Say nut case if you like but madwoman IS
    sexist whatever way you look at it.

    You all me a mad woman and I will call you an ALP party hack sheeple. OK. We would both be rather childish. I might even call you a member of the NSW right. Would that be slanderous?

    You are relatively new to this blog, but let me assure you that I have probably been the MOST abused blogger on here. I cop it from all directions. Including William who in fact has been the most offensive of all. I am pretty easy going about it BUT there is an issue of public bullying on social media and I am doing my little bit to fight it.

    Just consider GGs very recent comment. Now if he SERIOUSLY believed his comment about mental health issues i think you and anyone reasonable would considered his comment lower than that of a shit house rat. There is one thing you do NOT do if you think someone is mentally troubled and that is what GG did. Now we have had at least two cases on serious mental illness on this site and in those two I contacted William because of my concern. What i did NOT do is compound the problem by nasty throw away lines.

    Now when I got up this morning and posted a comment with the words thinking in it I did not deserve or need a narky reply from GG. Did I react – yes. Probably I should not have but it was more interesting than cleaning the kitchen.

    Time you got some mental health support comrade.

    You’re making a complete fool of yourself atm.

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