Three ReachTEL polls courtesy of Sky News:
• Nationally, Labor maintains a 52-48 lead on respondent-allocated two-party preferred. Primary votes are Coalition 35% (down one), Labor 34% (down one), Greens 11% (up one) and One Nation 9% (up three, if you can believe that). The poll also includes a question on company tax cuts that has none of the skew of Newspoll’s recent question on the subject, finding 49% in favour and 43% opposed. No sample size was provided, by they are usually somewhere above 2000.
• The good news for Labor ends there, because a poll of over 800 respondents in Braddon credits the Liberals with a lead of 54-46, compared with Labor’s 52.2% to 47.8% win at the 2016 election. The primary votes are Liberal 47% (41.5% at the 2016 election), Labor 33% (40.0%) and Greens 6% (6.7%). Company tax cuts are apparently unusually popular in the nation’s sixth poorest electorate, with 56% in favour and 38% opposed.
• Labor is also behind the eight ball in Longman, where the Liberal National Party is credited with a lead of 52-48, compared with Labor’s 50.8% to 49.2% win in 2016. The primary votes are LNP 38% (39.0% at the 2016 election), Labor 35% (35.4%), Greens 2% (4.4%) and others 14%. I am unclear if this means One Nation weren’t specifically listed as a response option – it might be thought problematic if they were not. Given the largely unchanged position on the primary votes, the LNP’s lead mostly comes down to them getting a better preference flow from respondent allocation in the poll than they did at the 2016 election. Here too company tax cuts were found to have unusually strong support, with 58% in favour and 33% opposed. As with Braddon, the sample was “over 800”.
PvO says that Hunt yelling and swearing at people isn’t as shocking as people might believe.
The Sunday Mail
Front page.
Why ❓
Taking a balcony view of Insiders this morning it’s clear that the government is a rolling omnishambles. It’s just crisis after crisis after crisis.
We really need to boot this mob out.
A poll based on a rise in the PHON vote given present circumstances is inherently suspect. It’s then used as the basis for single seat polling – yeah, nah.
However – Tassie is always hard to predict, because the sample sizes for (normal) national polling are too small. It’s also obvious that Tassie is becoming a tree changer destination – so a lot of affluent retired professionals are moving down there. I don’t know if there’s enough of them to change the political landscape dramatically, but it might (help) explain changes there.
I’d be also interested in how the (apparent) collapse in the Green vote influences preference allocations. Most Green voters last election preferenced Labor more heavily than those in the “Others” box did. So if Green voters have moved from Green to “Others”, one would expect that “Others” preference flows will now behave differently to the way they did last election.
One other point I think needs to be considered is how much ” interference ” Cormann and others in the government have been involved in re the bust up between Hanson and her senator.
Was Comann stirring the pot at all ? My understanding is he sent a few texts directly to the two ON senators over the last few days. How will Hanson react and how will that all play out with ON preferences in Longman ?
Cheers and a great day to all.
I would be interested in Kevin Bonhams take on the reach tell this morning.
Cheers.
David whatshisname on Insiders says an LNP insider texted him to say the Reachtel poll in Longman matches none of their own polling.
daretotread. @ #15 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 6:54 am
Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
Despite logging in, my post has not shown up.
This seems to happen occasionally. Why?
Jeez. Oh, misery ❓
Toby Esterhase @ #43 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 9:37 am
Toby
No need for gratuitous insults. Stating the obvious is not concern trolling.
Yes it is 8 weeks out. Plenty of time for the muddler to make more mistakes. However the polling is not looking good. Now in Longman the imputation stuff will probably have had an effect, especially in the Bribie island and Beachmere retirement centres and in the tree change areas.
Also despite Williams polling trajectories etc, I am just not convinced that it will work well in Qld. This is a highly parochial state. Shorten is so very Victorian. Not even from a Rugby state.
Testing!
So polling illustrates that Bill Shorten cannot sell an argument against company tax cuts… ?
Zoomer, what “others” would Greens logically move to? I suspect if the Green vote is going down it is lefty Greens returning to Labor because of its tougher words about Adani, and Ged’s clear doubts about keeping prisoners on Pacific islands. See Batman for a perfect example.
Sorry folks, I don’t like posting such things, but had to login twice before I could get a post to show. Seems I was logged out when I went to the new thread.
LOL they’re desperately trying to keep him from having to face Mueller.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/02/us/politics/trump-lawyers-memo-mueller-subpoena.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Earlier lost post was about Israel and anti-Semitism.
The Palestinians are a Semitic race. The modern Israelis seem to have a Semitic heritage diluted by large infusions of European and other blood. In ethnic terms the Israelis are less Semitic than the Palestinians!
Are the anti-Semites in fact the Israelis?
Good Morning
On individual seat polling remember the advice by the pollsters William linked to the other day.
Greater margin of error
bemused
Your earlier posts showed up at my end.
Barney in Go Dau
Especially for the final scene on the clip at the “dinner party” 🙂
daretotread. @ #62 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 7:05 am
The obvious response is not an insult.
You are getting all excited about one poll, while there are suggestions already that this is not what the Parties are seeing in their polling.
So the best we can say at the moment is WTF knows!!!! 🙂
Even if the Labor caucus wanted to move on Shorten it’s now too late. They’re stuck with him thanks to the by-elections. They only have themselves to blame if this destructive Govt wins another term.
The dangers of advertising
Not referring to the Holocaust is the controversy.
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/06/01/nike-stirs-controversy-by-using-a-pink-triangle-on-shoes-in-their-pride-collection/
These seat polls will prove to be just a bit of piss and wind. Why would the voters in Longman and Braddon turn toward the Turnbull government at this time? Are there some local factors involved that are not widely known?
Rex Douglas @ #73 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 7:18 am
Does that mean you won’t be continuing your infantile comments on Shorten’s position as leader any more? 🙂
Golly @ #74 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 10:20 am
Bill Shorten doesn’t cut through.
Dan Gulberry @ #69 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 10:15 am
A couple on the previous thread did, but when I clicked on New Thread I was logged out.
I then logged in and all appeared good, but then when I posed something, it did not show up. 🙁
So I logged out and then logged in again and all was good.
There is an online vigil in support of Julian Assange if anyone is interested, interviews with lots of key people, journalists, activists, lawyers etc will be going for a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqB_NhQZT5g
Barney in Go Dau @ #75 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 10:21 am
To ignore clear evidence that Shorten isn’t trusted and potentially a catastrophic drag on Labors vote is infantile I’d suggest.
Rex Douglas @ #72 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 10:18 am
Yeah, you will not have helped a bit will you Rex?
Confessions says:
On what basis does he think we should not “shocked” ?
Golly
Unreliable seat polling being promoted by Dennis Atkins at the start of a long campaign is all he has got. Thus his addition of his “trusted” source in the LNP saying their pollong matches that.
Van Onselen was correct to point out such a strategy can backfire as polls change. If Labor wins now there will be questions for Turnbull to answer.
poroti @ #81 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 10:24 am
Apparently it is SOP for Hunt. So not shocking to those in the know.
With seat polling like this why didn’t the liberals run in Perth?
They could have run a nasty campaign highlighting how the Labor member had abandoned them, Shorten can’t be trusted and just today the local media is trumping a Turnbull plan to give WA $5 billion to sort the GST fuss.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/business/gst/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-set-to-announce-80-cent-gst-floor-for-wa-ng-b88854893z
Would have been a shoo-in.
bemused @ #80 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 10:24 am
The Labor caucus and rusted-on supporters will have to accept the consequences of a Turnbull win given their craven reluctance to move on Shorten.
dtt
The whole premise of that article you linked to in The Wall Street Journal by Kim Strassel is a major fail.
She is basing the entire thing on the two month gap in Downer hearing the information from Papadopoulos, and that info being passed on to US Intel services.
Her article is based on what was reported in the New York Times earlier which actually answered that question:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html
So, yeah, nah. And that’s even before we take into account that the WSJ is owned by, and Kim Stassel is paid by Murdoch.
I repeat, yeah,nah .
On the basis that he had quite a few people tell him they were shocked to hear of Greg Hunt behaving in such a way.
daretotread. @ #15 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 8:54 am
Hm, let’s see:
– Political power (far in excess of what it should be based upon the actual number of people who voted for his party)
– Cushy taxpayer-funded salary (plus virtually unlimited expenses!)
– Wife and kids (who he obviously got tired of, but kept around anyways for political purposes because ‘family values’ was part of his shtick)
– Mistress 18 years younger than he is (every good family man needs a mistress young enough to be his daughter!)
– Getting to sleep with an employee and not lose your job (or cushy salary, or extensive benefits)
– $150k kickback from the media (so you can go on national TV and tell your sob story about how you got tired of your wife and kids and shacked up with one of your staffers so clearly you’re the victim here; one day’s work has never paid so well!)
Yes, it’s an out-and-out tragedy! Well, maybe it is. For the wife, and for the kids, and nobody else.
Jack
I see “Others” as a parking spot for some voters, of the “I want to vote for a good independent, let’s see what the election throws up” variety. If a good indie isn’t there, then they pick a party. If the Greens votes were going straight to Labor, then we’d see more of a pick up in Labor’s primary.
The Shorten apologists in here haven’t as yet grasped the elephant in the room – Bill’s not popular with the punters out there, other than the Labor faithful. You can’t win an election with high disapproval ratings. Shorten will always have the baggage of being a union leader – too many attack lines for the Tories and the Murdoch media.
The Liberals polled well in Braddon in the state election in Tassie, and Labor only won Longman last time due to a big preference flow from One Nation, which they probably won’t get again.
*Qualifier – I was looking at the drop of the Greens vote in Longman.
The MoE in the single seat polls will be greater than the apparent 2PP margin. It’s very difficult to get a large enough sample that is also sufficiently random to be accurate within a high confidence level from a single-seat population. Sample size is not the only issue. Sample quality is essential.
Briefly
Yes. The reliable figure is the National 2 Party Preferred.
Ignored on Insiders thanks to the Murdoch propagandist
What is the reachtel 2pp as per last election preferences ?
Evan
The Kill Bill attackers have not grasped the 2 Party Preffered figures in all the polls.
Evan @ #90 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 8:32 am
Abbott did.
guytaur @ #95 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 10:41 am
Do you acknowledge that Shorten is a drag on Labors vote which could cost them an election win ?
Fess
PvO implied that Hunt was known to be shouty sweary aggressive, especially to his staff, hence no shock.
Rossmcg
No. Perth is a rusted on ALP seat. Complete waste of time and money campaigning there in a Byelection when LNP are in power.
LNP lost in Longman on PHON flows to ALP. That’s changed.
LNP lost Braddon with massive Get Up Campaign in Tasmania.
It’s going to be worth watching the ALP melt-down if the LNP picks up 3 seats.
briefly @ #92 Sunday, June 3rd, 2018 – 10:34 am
Statistical nonsense.