The recent action and excitement in federal politics continues to make no impression on the polls. This week’s reading of the BludgerTrack aggregate nudges very slightly to the Coalition on two-party preferred, but the vagaries of state breakdowns cause Labor to pick up two on the seat projection, with a gain apiece in New South Wales and Victoria. The only new addition this week is the regular Essential Research result, which provided no new data on leadership ratings. Full results on the sidebar.
From previous thread:
“There’s been no announcement that S Parry will be referred. ”
He will be for sure.
Who are these Liberal twerps who only believe what they want to? Seem to work on the principle of “Keep quiet and hope the problem goes away”.
If Malcolm tries to refer Labor MPs to the HC quite a few of his enemies in the party (maybe even Tones) might abstain “on principle”. Then he would really be in the muck.
This article in the SMH is interesting
It appears the reason why Turnbull asked Sharkie to refer herself is to put pressure on Labor
“Pressure would likely build on Labor to refer that trio of MPs if Ms Sharkie is referred, given the similarity of their cases.”
Citizenship crisis bites crucial crossbench MP
Another federal MP has been caught up in the citizenship crisis, with crossbench MP Rebekha Sharkie revealing new doubts about her eligibility.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/citizenship-crisis-bites-nxt-mp-rebekha-sharkie-20171109-gzi5t9.html?btis
Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
Mark Kenny tells us that in practical terms, the SSM survey has given Coalition MPs the cover they need to ignore their recalcitrant base and vote squarely for social justice. More than that, it brings a moral and democratic obligation.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/surprisingly-strong-samesex-postal-survey-outcome-holds-the-key-to-social-and-political-support-20171109-gzi07c.html
Adam Gartrell report that Turnbull is setting a dangerous new course in threatening to use his meagre numbers to refer ALP MPS to the high Court.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/citizenship-crisis-malcolm-turnbull-threatens-to-use-numbers-to-refer-labor-mps-to-high-court-20171109-gzi21x.html
Laura Tingle declares that the Turnbull government is on hold until March at least. Google.
/opinion/malcolm-turnbulls-government-is-on-hold-as-our-institutions-go-to-work-20171109-gzi3zt
Shorten’s playing hardball.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/11/09/citizenship-shorten-turnbull-negotiations/
David Crowe writes that the gloves are off in the citizenship row. The key principle applied in the early months will be cast aside. Google.
/opinion/no-more-mr-nice-guys-in-the-dual-citizen-debacle/news-story/f3f0740e5ca5d95ae24539c6169468b3
By mobilising the Holocaust defence, Turnbull has ensured the “citizenship debate” now turns entirely on emotional responses — which is a danger to the nation, writes Ingrid Matthews.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/s44-the-dots-less-joined,10910
Grattan on Friday: Voters just want citizenship crisis fixed – but it isn’t that easy.
https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-voters-just-want-citizenship-crisis-fixed-but-it-isnt-that-easy-87201
Barnaby Joyce lashes out and demands Penny Wong prove she’s not Malaysian.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/malcolm-turnbull-says-bill-shorten-is-trying-to-exploit-the-dualcitizenship-issue/news-story/9642bff3c09ee8a8bf59030a4208f266
Jennifer Hewett comes out confidently says there will be a March election. Google.
/opinion/columnists/bet-on-a-federal-election-around-the-end-of-march-20171109-gzhw7w
John Hewson explains why the Adani project should be rejected. It’s a “house of cards” supported only by the prospect of $1b of support by the NAIF he says.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-the-adani-project-should-be-rejected-20171109-gzhsfh.html
Section 2 . . .
Waleed Aly has peened a very good article in which he warns of what will follow the SSM survey result. He says that the survey has changed nothing.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/think-a-yes-vote-will-be-the-end-of-the-matter-dont-be-so-sure-20171109-gzhr4y.html
Tensions are deepening within the Coalition, with conservatives being warned against undermining the survey result. Google.
/national-affairs/tensions-increase-over-rival-samesex-marriage-bill/news-story/4e8a00144fd51e07d20896f196d9a3f9
David Wroe on the latest YouGov poll on SSM.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/samesex-marriage-arguments-may-not-have-swayed-postal-survey-vote-survey-finds-20171109-gzi41w.html
And another survey on the subject with some concerning results.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/10/almost-half-of-australians-back-right-to-refuse-same-sex-weddings-poll
Jonathon Hunyor writes that Dean Smith’s marriage amendment bill is a way to break through the political impasse with minimal damage. Any further concessions must be rejected.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/09/smiths-same-sex-marriage-bill-isnt-perfect-but-its-a-workable-compromise
Eryk Bagshaw on how investors are being pushed out of Australia’s housing market with government regulations generating a 6 per cent drop in investor loans as first home buyers record “strong growth” for the first time in years.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/government-restrictions-bite-as-first-home-buyers-shut-out-investors-20171109-gzhtcc.html
A year after the 2016 presidential election, the political divide between Republicans and Democrats is wider than it has been at any point in at least 23 years, according to an October report from Pew Research Center.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/11/09/people-reveal-how-their-lives-have-changed-since-trump-was-elected_a_23271624/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage
A bid to stop the Tax Office moving staff off their workstations and onto hot desks will enter arbitration at the industrial umpire on Thursday.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/atos-hotdesking-stoush-enters-arbitration-at-fair-work-commission-20171108-gzh3ki.html
Stephen Koukoulas on how there is a bit of an investment shift from property into stocks.
https://thekouk.com/item/549-getting-out-of-property-and-into-stocks.html
Almost 600 men still holed up in the Manus Island detention centre are bracing for confrontation after being given two days to relocate to new accommodation and Papua New Guinean authorities warning them “force may be used” if they do not leave voluntarily.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/you-have-two-days-png-authorities-prepare-to-forcibly-remove-manus-detainees-20171109-gzhxtf.html
Section 3 . . .
Forget China, no country has interfered, spied and endangered Australia’s security, sovereignty and the integrity of its national institutions than Israel and its powerful lobbyists, writes former Palestinian Ambassador Ali Kazak.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/does-the-nation-have-a-new-white-australia-foreign-affairs-policy,10913
Steph Peatling opines that Pauline Hanson is getting set to be the kingmaker in Queensland.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pauline-hansons-one-nation-poised-to-be-kingmaker-in-queensland-election-20171109-gzhvql.html
Streaming media group Stan is taking legal action against a group of men who racially abused Labor senator Sam Dastyari, after it was revealed that the far-right group took their name from Stan’s upcoming drama series Romper Stomper. Karma.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/stan-takes-legal-action-against-senator-sam-dastyaris-abusers-patriot-blue-over-trademark-infringement-20171109-gzief5.html
Quentin Dempster writes that up to 25,000 Australian creative content jobs are now on the line with the Turnbull government under heavy pressure to abandon or water down protective regulation.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/11/06/australian-content-jobs-risk/
What will happen with Rebekha Sharkie?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/citizenship-crisis-bites-nxt-mp-rebekha-sharkie-20171109-gzi5t9.html
The Paradise Papers show tax avoidance by the rich and powerful is not only systemic but also implicitly endorsed by the Government. Former ATO Assistant Tax Commissioner John Passant reports.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/paradise-papers-how-big-business-evades-tax-while-the-ato-does-bugger-all,10911
Wendy Squires wonders if things are going too far with the #metoo thing.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/i-was-among-the-early-supporters-of-metoo-but-this-is-starting-to-get-ugly-20171109-gzhzco.html
Now Optus is offering to compensate customers that have not got the national broadband network speeds they were promised. But it does bucket the NBN in doing so.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/optus-mobile-investment-pulls-customers-but-hits-profit-20171109-gzhu07.html
Section 4 . . . Cartoon Corner Part 1
David Rowe – want more can one say?
Andrew Dyson’s view of Turnbull’s SSM survey.
Simon Letch with the inevitable result of the survey.
Cathy Wilcox on the shallowness of the far right.
A concerned effort from David Pope.
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/david-pope-20120214-1t3j0
John Shakespeare on the Queensland election trail.
Jon Kudelka being unkind to Malcolm “Crisis Man” Turnbull.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/784db19b4ca8067e054468e26e176aec
Section 5 . . . Cartoon Corner Part 2
Three more good contributions from Mark David.
Peter Broelman on dual citizenship.
Paul Zanetti does think much of Turnbull’s bipartisanship call.
Some prolific work from Matt Golding!
Mark Knight and a new Aussie citizenship test.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/15edb08f91841ec4ef2026b5140ca69c?width=1024
Ugly work from Alan Moir.
Andrew Dyson in Parliament House.
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/andrew-dyson-20090819-epqv.html
Matt Davidson and super salesman Turnbull.
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/illustrations-by-matthew-davidson-20090928-g8gc.html
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/stan-takes-legal-action-against-senator-sam-dastyaris-abusers-patriot-blue-over-trademark-infringement-20171109-gzief5.html
Multiple intel agencies claim to have Trump sex videos — but some fakes are floating around: Ex-NSA analyst
John Schindler, a former National Security Agency analyst who now regularly writes about alleged ties between President Donald Trump and the Russian government, has written an explosive column this week alleging that multiple intelligence agencies around the world claim to have copies of Trump sex tapes.
In his latest column at the Observer, Schindler writes that Trump’s notorious sexual habits over the years have left him wide open to potential blackmail, and that intelligence agencies around the world possess what they believe to be compromising material on him.
However, Schindler also warns that many of these tapes are either crude or sophisticated forgeries seemingly designed to discredit any news organization or politician who brings them to light.
That said, Schindler is confident that at least one genuine Trump sex tape exists.
“One Western intelligence agency with a solid professional reputation is in possession of an unpleasant Trump tape that they assess ‘with high confidence’ is bona fide, i.e. exactly what it appears to be,” he writes. “They obtained the tape from a trusted source who plausibly had access to it. Over the decades, Trump has traveled widely—including to Russia more than once—and thereby exposed himself to surreptitious filming in numerous countries.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/multiple-intel-agencies-claim-to-have-trump-sex-videos-but-some-fakes-are-floating-around-ex-nsa-analyst/
MORE : ALSO Johns Observer column :
http://observer.com/2017/11/spy-circles-suspect-kremlin-is-behind-dozens-of-fake-trump-sex-tapes/?utm_campaign=social+flow&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social
In his latest column at the Observer, Schindler writes that Trump’s notorious sexual habits over the years have left him wide open to potential blackmail, and that intelligence agencies around the world possess what they believe to be compromising material on him.
However, Schindler also warns that many of these tapes are either crude or sophisticated forgeries seemingly designed to discredit any news organization or politician who brings them to light.
Well, in news that will probably surprise no one, but disgust those of us who still maintain the quaint belief that you need to be an upstanding citizen to be a representative for the citizenry at large:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/mitch-mcconnell-and-chorus-of-republican-senators-call-on-roy-moore-to-step-aside-in-alabama-senate-race/2017/11/09/4e6da1d2-c57b-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html?pushid=5a04b0ded162f61d0000000d&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.dae3af29fbc2
Another venal Ultra Conservative Christian for whom their religion is used as a tool to fool the electorate and a fig leaf to disguise their true, ugly nature.
Donald Trump is just as bad but better at skating around it.
Morning all
PhoenixR
Schindler is reporting on Trump and comprising tape now due to the timely nature of other deviant behaviours by others being exposed.
and perhaps has an inkling that more is going to be said on Trump soon
That strategy of circulating lots of fake sex tapes is risky. One possible outcome is that if they do unearth the real sex tape then the fakes will probably go down in history with no one actually too clear on which one is real and which are the fakes. So Trump would basically have a multitude of depictions of himself in compromising acts, many of which are probably more embarrassing than the real one, and a general public with a short attention span barely bothered to care which is real and which is fake.
So is John Alexander resigning or what?
victoria says: Friday, November 10, 2017 at 7:32 am
Morning all
PhoenixR
Schindler is reporting on Trump and comprising tape now due to the timely nature of other deviant behaviours by others being exposed.
and perhaps has an inkling that more is going to be said on Trump soon
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Trump Modelling/Escort Agency ……. many *allegations* of underage, alien/trafficking are out there …
Remember That Carrier Plant Trump Promised To Save? Another 215 Workers Have Been Laid Off
It turns out that the $7 million in tax breaks that Trump and Pence gave Carrier meant nothing as another 215 workers have been laid off and there are no signs that the Carrier plant is going to stay in Indianapolis.
Carrier took $10 million in tax breaks from Trump and Pence and in return gave them a publicity stunt with zero assurances that the jobs would stay in the United States. Carrier took the taxpayers’ money and kept shipping jobs out of Indianapolis.
It was all a giant scam. The Carrier plant may limp along for a while, but the plant looks like it will be closed eventually.
Trump scammed Carrier workers, Indiana taxpayers, and the media, but the good headlines are long gone because the Trump/Pence Carrier con has been uncovered.
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/11/09/remember-carrier-plant-trump-promised-save-215-workers-laid.html
That “Crisis Man” cartoon linked up-thread is truly hilarious.
Internet destroys Breitbart for describing Roy Moore’s advances on underage girls as ‘being romantic’
Before the Washington Post broke a story alleging that Alabama Senate hopeful Roy Moore sought relationships with underage girls — one as young as 14 — Breitbart ran their own story in defense of the judge.
Citing a woman who said she dated Moore when she was 17 and he 34, Breitbart wrote that Moore was “being romantic” during their relationship, which the woman claims never went beyond kissing. It also cites multiple other teenaged women Moore reportedly dated while in his 30s.
Twitter reacted in disgust to Breitbart’s story, which they accused to being published before the Post to “run interference” for the Alabama Republican.
“Breitbart has a pretty good history of supporting people who think it’s cool to f*ck kids,” one user wrote. “Milo [Yiannapoulos, whom they fired for similar allegations], Roy Moore, etc.”
“The same people who blindly believed in Pizzagate are the same ones who are screaming fake news about Roy Moore,” another user tweeted.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/internet-destroys-breitbart-for-describing-roy-moores-advances-to-underage-girls-as-being-romantic/
The cartooners are as usual more perceptive than the reporters.
Rowe’s ‘Planet of the Dickheads’ very good stuff and I doubt Toll are very keen on Cathy Wilcox’s cartoon showing two ‘dickheads’ in their corporate uniform.
Morning all. Thanks BK. The cartoons say it all recently. Turnbull has no credibility left. As I have said before, it is a fair bet that the only reason he won’t deal with the consequences of the HC decision is that he knows there are enough inelligible coalition MPs in losable seats that he will cease to be PM. If he won’t fess up, call the election now I say.
Sitting on our deck, positioned near the southern border of the Berowra electorate, I can just make out bordering houses in Bennelong.
The rosellas, butcher-birds, Kiri te Kanewa the orphaned Magpie, and Fatso the kookaburra have all been by for brekkie. The jacarandas are in full bloom. There’s a bite to the air that I know will evaporate into yet another perfect spring day. Who wouldn’t feel at peace with world on a beautiful morning like this?
Just to cap off all of the above, regarding the imminent fate of John Alexander, I can almost taste the schadenfreude from here.
PhoenixR
Yep.
John Schindler
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BLUF: There are real Trump kompromat tapes. They are very ugly.
And there are a whole lot of dodgy and/or fake ones.
#WildernessOfMirrors
#provokatsiya
Spy Circles Suggest Kremlin Is Behind Dozens of Fake Trump Sex Tapes
observer.com
Morning all.
Thanks BK, as always you do a fantastic job with your curation.
Alabama state auditor says Roy Moore bombshell ‘much ado about very little’ — even if ‘completely true’
Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler, one of Republican Roy Moore’s biggest supporters, has dismissed the Washington Post’s bombshell report about accusations that Moore made sexual advances toward teenage girls.
“Even if you accept the Washington Post’s report as being completely true, it’s much ado about very little,” he told Lyman.
Several Republican Senators — including Jeff Flake (R-AZ), John McCain (R-AZ) and Mitch McConnell (R-KY) — have called on Moore to step down if the accusations against him are true.
So far, however, a defiant Moore has lashed out at the Washington Post for allegedly printing “fake news” about him, and has shown no indication that he plans to drop out of the race
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/alabama-state-auditor-says-roy-moore-bombshell-much-ado-about-very-little-even-if-completely-true/
Labor must be desperately hoping that Malcolm does pull the trigger and try to send 3 labor pollies to the high court. Labor will then turn around and try to refer ten or more libs and get shut down. Boy, will that create a political crisis.
Senator Parry said he wrote to the British Home Office, seeking clarification as to whether or not he was a British citizen, on October 30. His father was born in Britain and moved to Australia in 1951.
Senator Parry received confirmation that he was a British citizen on October 31.
John Alexander said he was investigating whether or not he was a British citizen on November 6. His father was born in Britain and moved to Australia in 1907.
John Alexander has apparently still not received a response four days later.
Douglas and Milko @ #1711 Friday, November 10th, 2017 – 12:34 am
I think this is 100% right. It would be a smart play for Shorten to say on the morning of the 27th to come out early (or perhaps even before then) and say that all Labor MPs and Senators who had complied with Labor’s processes and completed what based on their legal advice amounted to reasonable steps, but hadn’t received their confirmations before nomination date would be referred to the HC by Labor. Should probably also release all of the legal advice Labor relied on for that process, and all the paperwork done by each candidate.
That would again throw Trumble in a spin, draw a stark contrast with the slapdash incompetence of the Coalition and demand that Trumble and co come completely clean that week, none of this stupid putting it off til next year crap.
Labor will quite rightly argue that their cases do not need to resign as the substance of their cases hasn’t been tested by the HC. But any Libs and Nats who can’t even provide a renunciation form are gone and MUST resign from Parliament immediately because the HC has made explicit rulings of their ineligibility.
This is why Trumble is trying to drag it out. At best he knows the Labor peeps are up for resignations from the shadow front bench and a referral. His MPs like Alexander are out. Now. And so his numbers are almost certainly in big big trouble.
I am not only one that has seen the pattern!
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The current headlines – from Weinstein and Spacey to the Paradise Papers – show that a wanton disrespect for the law has become commonplace.
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The timing of these headlines – a torrent of powerful people exposed simultaneously – is, I believe, no accident.
And it’s tied to Trump.
Bushfire Bill @ #23 Friday, November 10th, 2017 – 8:09 am
Wonderful.
In stark relief, ‘Malcolm in Da Nang*’
(* all in the spirit of fake news, taken earlier this year outside Da Nang)
“John Alexander has apparently still not received a response four days later.”
Yeah it seems a bit suspicious to me.
Greg Jennett sure has a soft spot for Trumble. His AM report this morning was unusually fawning, even by his low standards.
No mention of Alexander anywhere of course.
victoria
I have been discussing with my sons how every protaganist in every series on TV is lauded in promos because they ‘don’t play by the rules’. The overall message is that rules are to be ignored.
Please explain Victoria!
c@t
Trump will wish he never became President.
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Oh it’s not just an impression. Roy Moore being a sexual predator/rapist (bc it’s RAPE with underage girls) is the appetizer for the truth on Trump.
#WeDidIt!!
@cindycrum
Replying to @aliasvaughn
Is it me? or is meeting fan today?
Adrian
What needs explaining?
I don’t think that, Mr Chess Moves, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, would come out and tell Roy Moore to step down so soon before the Alabama Senate election, if he wasn’t convinced by the facts of the case.
Anyway, what’s so ‘romantic’ about a dirty old man taking advantage of multiple girls less than half his age!?!
Who did he think he was, Jerry Lee Lewis!?!
adrian
Jennett is a typical example of the Peter Principle: promoted above his ability when the experienced commentators left. I can’t bear to watch/listen to him.
Zoomster
people are sick of carrying the burden of the rules. For eg, centrelink robo debt saga. That really pissed people off considering our pollies get away with not simply adhering to basic requirements of Australan citizenship when nominating to represent us in parliament.
What is particularly galling is watching our msm in particular the ABC giving Barnaby Joyce a very big pass for his lack of due diligence. Disgusting
Maybe I’m unusually slow this morning Victoria.
Lizzie, he is quite literally nothing more than a government stenographer.
adrian
Turnbull claimed that legislation to enact marriage equality would ‘sail through’ if there was a yes vote. Predictably, opponents look to be trying every delaying tactic in the book to see the inevitable dragged out even further.
Too right!
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You’ve been illegally employed by the taxpayer for over a decade, stop whinging, if you were a unionist you’d be jailed !
I have not seen Chris Uhlmann for ages. Has he been sacked by the ABC?
Confessions, he left the ABC ages ago to take up Laurie Oakes’ old position I believe?
Fess
He is now political reporter for Channel 9. He has taken Oakes former position
Re all the drama with the dual citizenship(s), I get the feeling Turnbull is delaying so his side of politics can get their renunciations in order so if any are thrown out they are ready to contest a by-election….Alexander is one example.
Parry won’t be referred because he quit. End of story there. Alexander has threatened to quit. If he does, there can be a by-election without referral (has he said whether he’ll recontest?).
High court referrals are to avoid uncertainty, and can go either way, but if hey quit there is no need for a referral.