The first Newspoll in three weeks is a 54-46, compared with 53-47 last time. On the primary vote, the Coalition is down a point to 36%, Labor is steady on 38%, the Greens are steady on 9% and One Nation is steady on 8%. Malcolm Turnbull’s lead as preferred prime minister has also been cut from 46-29 to 42-31, although this isn’t reflected in the leaders’ approval ratings, which have Turnbull’s net rating improving from minus 20% to minus 17% while Bill Shorten is unchanged at minus 20% (we will have to wait a little longer for the exact approval and disapproval numbers). The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1695. The Australian’s paywalled report is here.
UPDATE: The poll also records a narrowing in the lead for same=sex marriage, down six points since mid-August to 57%, with opposition up four to 34%. However, there is markedly higher support among those who have already voted or definitely tend to (61% to 34%) than among the non-definite (38% to 35%). However, only 15% say they have already voted, which surprises on the low side. A further 67% say they will definitely vote, with a further 7% saying they probably will. Support for the survey being held is down five points to 44%, with opposition up three to 46%. Another question finds 62% supporting “guarantees in law for freedom of conscience, belief and religion if it legislates for same-sex marriage”, with only 18% opposed. Kevin Bonham has a very thorough account of all the polling related to the survey.
Greensborough Growler @ #1044 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:13 pm
Maybe, but not in any sense that matters in this debate.
Marriage is a legal construct administered by the state, nothing more. We’re fixing the law so that it’s not discriminatory against same-sex couples. Everything else stays the same.
briefly @ #1048 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:16 pm
Probably why the SSM lobby invented the term “Marriage Equality”. It doesn’t exist in reality. but, they were desperate to get the word “Equality” in to the wording to try and make it something it’s not.
A R @ #1051 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:20 pm
That might be your dream.
Simon Katich
Well spotted 🙂
guytaur @ #1046 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:14 pm
So your argument is that same sex marriage is a human right because denying same sex marriage is a denial of human rights?
guytaur @ #1047 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:14 pm
Who suggested we should ban marriage? Polygamy is my human right!
GG:
“It doesn’t exist in reality. but, they were desperate to get the word “Equality” in to the wording to try and make it something it’s not.”
Please explain how same-sex relationships are inferior to opposite-sex ones.
**Who is Peter?**
Peter flew away with Paul.
P1
Which part of Australia has legalised polygamy by the way?
P1:
“So your argument is that same sex marriage is a human right because denying same sex marriage is a denial of human rights?”
Yes. Or are LGBTIQ people not human in your world? Are we the demons that 30-something percent of the population believe exist in the world?
Poroti, I wasnt sure if you forgot to post the last bit or you were allowing us to join the dots.
guytaur @ #1050 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:18 pm
You can certainly believe this, argue this, and campaign for this.
That doesn’t make it a human right.
GG:
“Marriage is a social construct.”
LGTBIQ folk are part of society.
P1
Is equal treatment under the law a human right. Part of the whole rule of law thing?
guytaur @ #1059 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:30 pm
None … yet! But now that you have demonstrated it is my human right, I am planning to campaign for it. Will you join me? Or are you going to deny my human rights? 🙂
Simon Katich:
“Peter flew away with Paul.”
To somewhere they could get married?
Mr Newbie @ #1060 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:30 pm
I think you need to re-read that statement. It is of course nonsensical.
P1:
“That doesn’t make it a human right.”
Gay people are human.
As ive said before, I just want my gays married, my weed legal and my euthanasia voluntary.
P1:
“I think you need to re-read that statement. It is of course nonsensical.”
I don’t make it a habit of reading your posts.
I advise caution in using the term ‘human rights’ to justify a position – especially in a first world context. It is to easily abused (as P1 is showing you). Perhaps turn it around by saying ‘does allowing SS couples ‘marry’ impinge on others human rights?’. The answer is no – so let the dickie birds use the word.
guytaur @ #1065 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:33 pm
Equality is a human right. The UN HRC has ruled that defining marriage is up to each state, and that defining it to exclude gay marriage does not mean gay people are unequal.
I’m sorry, but these are just facts.
You can decry them, but you cannot deny them.
Drew Barrymore
“I am who I am because of the people who influenced me growing up, and many of them were gay. No one has any right to tell anyone what makes a family.”
Sean Penn
“I think that it is a good time for those who voted for the ban against gay marriage to sit and reflect and anticipate their great shame and the shame in their grandchildren’s eyes if they continue that way of support. We’ve got to have equal rights for everyone.”
George Clooney
“At some point in our lifetime, gay marriage won’t be an issue, and everyone who stood against this civil right will look as outdated as George Wallace standing on the school steps keeping James Hood from entering the University of Alabama because he was black.”
Paul Newman
“I’m a supporter of gay rights. And not a closet supporter either. From the time I was a kid, I have never been able to understand attacks upon the gay community. There are so many qualities that make up a human being… by the time I get through with all the things that I really admire about people, what they do with their private parts is probably so low on the list that it is irrelevant.”
Ernest Gaines
“Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?”
Tennessee Williams
“What is straight? A line can be straight, or a street, but the human heart, oh, no, it’s curved like a road through mountains.”
James Carville
“I was against gay marriage until I realized I didn’t have to get one.”
James A. Baldwin
“Everybody’s journey is individual. If you fall in love with a boy, you fall in love with a boy. The fact that many Americans consider it a disease says more about them than it does about homosexuality.”
Keanu Reeves
People were saying that David Geffen and I had gotten married and it just blew me away. Not that they thought I was gay, but that they thought I could land a guy that hot.
Barack Obama
Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law.
Will Smith
If anybody can find someone to love them and to help them through this difficult thing that we call life, I support that in any shape or form
Ricky Gervais
Same sex marriage isn’t gay privilege, it’s equal rights. Privilege would be something like gay people not paying taxes. Like churches don’t.
http://b-gay.com/celebrity-quotes-support-gay-equality/
Mr Newbie @ #1071 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:36 pm
Well, perhaps you should at least read the ones you choose to respond to.
Just a suggestion. 🙂
P1
Do you agree or disagree with Mr Gervais who is a better wordsmith than I am?
Ricky Gervais
Same sex marriage isn’t gay privilege, it’s equal rights. Privilege would be something like gay people not paying taxes. Like churches don’t.
http://b-gay.com/celebrity-quotes-support-gay-equality/
PO @ 1.37
This false
guytaur @ #1076 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:41 pm
Didn’t he forge his career by being a full on plonker?
I can see why you relate to him.
Pair bond relationships that we make with each other are completely unequal before the law to the same relationships between straight couples. There can be no refuting of that basic fact.
guytaur @ #1076 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:41 pm
Mr Gervais is a great wordsmith. Not, perhaps, such a great legal mind.
As I have said, you can certainly campaign for gay marriage to be made legal. This is your right.
But you would be well advised to stop campaigning on the grounds that it is a ‘human right’, because this is easily demonstrated to be untrue. Read Simon Katich’s post at #1072.
P1
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You just said equality was a human right. In this country equality means gay relationships have to be recognised in the exact same forms as heterosexual ones.
Thats a human right
briefly @ #1077 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:44 pm
This false 🙂
guytaur @ #1081 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:49 pm
Not according to the UNHRC!
guytaur @ #1081 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:49 pm
No it doesn’t. That’s why we can change our marriage legislation to suit ourselves.
Will you support my campaign to include polygamy?
GG sorry – but belittling Gervais as being into drink as a reason why his views might be wrong is classic misdirection, yet again.
Kinda like me saying that your religious delusion means you are wrong on every count. Which I’m NOT saying.
Many of the anti-marriage equality posts here are based on semantics – “it’s not a marriage”, it will involve “changing the meaning of a word” (as though language is static and never changes), “it’s not a human right – the UN HRC says it’s up to individual states”. Because that’s all you’ve got – you can’t be honest and say you don’t like gay people because you think we’re sinful or disgusting or whatever. But it’s not sufficient reason to deny the rights of others, even if only 36% of the voting population care enough to return their vote in favour of it, or if it affects only 0.36% of couples. You’re going to have to live with and accept it as a reality in the not-too-distant future. Get used to it.
SimonBanksHB: The No campaign claim that if you vote YES you support:
* polygamy
* paedophilia
* child abuse
* incest
Don’t get mad
Get even
Vote YES
CaseyBriggs: If the love of a gay couple is ‘like the love of friends’ then the converse is also true:
All friends are gay.
abc.net.au/news/2017-09-2…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-26/ssm-gay-love-is-like-the-love-of-friends-archbishop-says/8988352
P1 to a tee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
jenauthor @ #1085 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:56 pm
I actually referred to the character he played in “the Office’ in which he originally made his name. So, do read stuff before going off on a tanty!
guytaur @ #1088 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:59 pm
if all the Yessers have is third rate poetry, then your cause is shot!
albericie: Nun at my daughter’s school: So they don’t want to let 2 loving gays marry but it’s ok for 2 strangers on a TV show to marry at first sight?
People with non-mainstream genders and sexual orientations have suffered terribly over the years. SSM is more than just being allowed to use a word. It signifies acceptance. It signifies that society realise they are not a threat, they are not freaks, they are just like everyone else; they are part of society. Furthermore, the love these couples feel for each other is no different to a ‘straight’ couples love – I would argue their love is in every way (perhaps bar one) ‘traditional’. So I subscribe to the belief this change actually strengthens the institution of marriage.
It is a win win.
jenauthor @ #1085 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 1:56 pm
You might want to look up the definition of plonker too!
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/plonker
GG I was commenting on the fact that you go the man not the issue.
Whether that be a character (which you said a poster would empathise with bacuse of the drinking) or someone posting.
Semantics/misdirection – whatever the argument of the “no” brigade – I still do NOT comprehend why none of them can answer the basic question as to WHY they feel the need to restrict the civil rights of one group in our society.
Please answer that ONE question without misdirection or excuses.
It is truly terrible then that these people have to pass a popularity contest in order to enjoy their rights.
GG – Meaning of plonker is yet another misdirection.
That is still belittling someone else personally instead of answering that one central question
adrian
P1 got a bulk order of the ‘course of 10’.
jenauthor @ #1097 Tuesday, September 26th, 2017 – 2:17 pm
42!
**It is truly terrible then that these people have to pass a popularity contest in order to enjoy their rights.**
It is indeed outrageous that the rights of a minority in a democracy is being determined by a postal survey.