The Guardian reports the latest Essential Research poll has Labor’s lead steady at 53-47, but provides only incomplete detail of the primary vote. The poll also records 59% in favour of same-sex marriage with 31% opposed, compared with 57% and 32% a fortnight ago, with 62% (down one) saying they will definitely “vote” in the survey if it survives the High Court challenge, and another 16% (down two) saying they will probably do so. Again, this skews towards the yes camp, with 74% of supporters rating themselves as definite compared with 58% of opponents.
On power prices, the poll finds 49% holding energy companies principally responsible, compared with 22% for the Turnbull government and 9% for “environmentalists pushing action on climate change”. It also finds 54% opposed to changing the date of Australia, with 26% in support, and 70% believing “believe everyone can celebrate on that day”, versus 18% against. Forty-two per cent disagree with changing inscriptions on public statues. The full report should be with us later today.
So according to Yougov, parties other than Labor/Coalition have gone from 23.22% at the election to 34% in just over a year…
Rex Douglas @ #296 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 3:51 pm
Ah, the sound of howling at the moon…
Yougov apparently 50/50
WHAT WANK
grimace @ #291 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 3:44 pm
Grimace,
Is that tongue in cheek – you can’t have missed that the large engineering consultant SMEC has been underway on the feasibility study since mid-May.
As I understand it, this is a $29 million feasibility study because it has lots of hard rock deep boreholes to validate the ground conditions for the required hard rock tunneling.
The Greens’ historic role is to be wind whistlers.
Voice Endeavour @ #301 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 4:01 pm
and why wouldn’t they…. ??
Can anyone understand what is going on with Yougov.
Yougov state that they found 283 people who admitted to voting L/NP at the last election, when the sample should give them 391. So they are massively scaling their results from these people who stated they voted LNP last time.
Usually you scale people up if their demographic is difficult to get a hold of. Depending on your survey method, that is most likely to be young people (noting that the Yougov poll did have to scale up their youth vote and scale down their old vote).
But are those 283 people who admitted to voting lnp last time really representative of the 108 people who are too ashamed to admit that they voted for the lnp last time?
Is Yougov really of the opinion that they couldn’t find people that voted LNP last time? Surely the more likely answer is they found the right people, but those people either misremembered, or lied.
Rex Douglas @ #293 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 1:47 pm
Isn’t it lucky for all concerned that our court system does not refer to the Court of Public Opinion for guidance.
grimace @ #308 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 4:15 pm
You don’t think there’s a chance Brandis Entsch and co have planned this course all along knowing the postal survey would be thrown out clearing the way for a parliamentary conscience vote ?
UK McDonald’s on strike:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41143869
Trog Sorrenson @ #298 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 1:55 pm
I’ll add that it’s a dumb idea, because at 50 years old, the plant will be being held together with sticky tape and good luck, and further, the plant is likely to require a substantial investment in upgrades to bring it up to the required safety and operational standards should the owner wish to continue operations past it’s planned closure date.
Disclosure of interest:
I’m currently doing work for a company who has maintenance contracts on power plants. I’ve never been to Liddell.
Rex
“You don’t think there’s a chance Brandis Entsch and co have planned this course all along knowing the postal survey would be thrown out clearing the way for a parliamentary conscience vote ?”
No, not a snowball’s chance in Hell.
Hi Grimace,
Ever worked on a plan to convert an old thermal unit to a synchronous condenser? Liddell would be a good candidate.
grimace
It’s such a dumb idea that apparently Malcolm is thinking of purchasing the plant for the Commonwealth if AGL don’t agree to extend its life….
Typical Rex. Willing to believe that Brandis and Entsch are political masterminds whilst constantly decrying Shorten.
zoomster @ #315 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 4:28 pm
Maybe Shorten’s in on it too… ?
Apologies if this has already been noted.
Looks like the citizenship laws are dead.
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
[Gareth Hutchens
The Nick Xenophon Team has derailed the immigration minister Peter Dutton’s attempt to enact tough new citizenship laws, saying it cannot support his controversial package in its current form, according to reports.
NXT senator Stirling Griff has told Fairfax Media he and his colleagues have decided not to support the government’s bill at it stands, saying Dutton’s plan is “an attempt to fix problems that don’t exist.”
We’re a nation built on migration and the envy of the world when it comes to a harmonious society. The system isn’t broken, there’s no need for it to be repaired.
Labor, the Greens and NXT are enough to sink the package in the Senate, meaning the Turnbull government will have to dump the citizenship bill altogether or make substantial changes.
It comes hours before a parliamentary committee report is expected to recommend the government weaken elements of its citizenship bill, including watering down its proposed English language requirements for people seeking Australian citizenship.
The government’s proposed citizenship overhaul includes increasing waiting times for permanent residents before they can apply for citizenship (from one year to four years), and forcing new applicants to complete a tougher English language test (and achieve a pass mark of 75%) equivalent to level 6 of the international English language testing system (IELTS).
It also wants to give the immigration minister power to overrule decisions on citizenship applications by the administrative appeals tribunal (AAT) if the minister doesn’t think the decisions are in the national interest, and give the minister power to decide whether or not the applicant has integrated into the Australian community.
NXT senator Stirling Griff warned in June that he was “deeply worried” about the power the bill would give Dutton to overrule citizenship decisions by the AAT.
On Monday Nick Xenophon told the Conversation that he had “serious concerns” about the legislation in its current form.
The four-year [waiting] period may not be so bad on its own, but it would actually cause all sorts of issues by being effectively retrospective for those families that have children about to start university.
There’s also the issue of the requirement to have university-standard English language requirements which I guess a lot of, even members of parliament, would have difficulty passing, even me. I think it seems incredibly onerous … and a bridge too far.]
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/sep/05/andrew-wilkie-calls-for-a-parliamentary-vote-if-the-high-court-throws-out-the-postal-survey-politics-live
Libertarian Unionist @ #313 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 2:26 pm
No my experience is limited to supplying the sticky tape and good luck required to keep these antiques running.
zoomster @ #314 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 2:27 pm
I had supplier side involvement with the $308 million that the WA government pissed away on trying to refurbish the A & B units at Muja. Malcolm is going to need a giant bucket of cash in addition to the purchase price if he wants to keep the plant running.
A part of me suspects that this is more corporate welfare to be paid to the mates of the L/NP. Old coal power plants are incredibly toxic places and the Commonwealth as the new owner would acquire responsibility for the remediation of the site along with the plant itself.
Griamce,
So I can safely assume you’ve handled a fair bit of sticky tape!
Stumps Day 1 in the High Court summary.
[At the end of the day, where did we get to?
Counsel for the plaintiffs in both separate claims have wrapped up their arguments.
While it would be thoroughly unwise to ever presume the outcome of a high court decision, their honours challenged a number of assumptions put in the plaintiffs’ arguments.
In brief, the arguments were:
That the finance minister, Mathias Cormann, “misdirected himself” by issuing a direction to release $122m to fund the postal survey under section 10 of the Appropriations Act on the grounds that it was both “urgent” and “unforeseen.”
That the expenditure could not be taken to be “urgent” because the senate was sitting and able to see a special appropriations bill to fund the survey, and because the deadline of 15 November was arbitrary and self-imposed.
That it could not be seen as “unforeseen” because Cormann had conversations with colleagues as early as March about “alternative measures” to deliver on the promise of a plebescite, and by the wording of his press releases on 8 and 9 August clearly meant that the ABS postal survey be taken as a delivery of that promise and to in effect be considered a plebescite.
That the Australian Bureau of Statistics was not authorised to undertake this postal survey because it was a binary yes/no question and could not therefore be properly called a statistic, and because the ABS was not established to survey matters of personal opinion.
That the Australian Electoral Commission was not authorised to provide electoral roll information to the ABS for anything other than the gathering of statistical information, which this was not, and was not authorised to provide the enrolment details of silent electors.
We’ll see you back here tomorrow morning for the government’s response.]
Andrew Leigh @ALeighMP
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Now that NXT has joined Labor in opposing Dutton’s divisive citizenship changes, it’s time the Turnbull Govt dropped the bill #auspol
While I’m tempted to dismiss the YouGov results I’ve decided it might be wiser to wait & see how they go in a real election before saying something I’ll rue later.
In the meantime it is a good reminder to Labor not to take the lead for granted, accept it is still close & stay disciplined focused on presenting themselves as a better option for voters.
It was unforeseen because we say so.
Socrates @ #286 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 3:27 pm
I, non Union Member of either the SDA or the Mining Unions, or any Union for that matter, get back from an 8 hour day campaigning for the Labor Party, and I have to read the SA Mutual Masturbation Anti Labor Unions Society dribbling out this crap!?!
Give. Me. A. Break.
[mikehilliard
We’ll see you back here tomorrow morning for the government’s response.
It was unforeseen because we say so.]
It was unforeseen because we have no idea what we’re doing tonight for dinner, let alone what’s going to happen tomorrow.
JOHN BOY @ #303 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 4:04 pm
There goes the Underdog tag. : )
He might have to campaign on his policies at the next election, instead of using tricky subterfuges.
C@t
We were actually being helpful. You wouldn’t want to spend all your time campaigning for a party with inferior environmental policies. Would you?
Maybe you should put your feet up and have a nice hot cup of Milo.
GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes
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#Essential Poll Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 36 (-1) ALP 37 (+1) GRN 10 (0) ON 8 (0) NXT 2 (-1) #auspol
No one listen to Rex the Troll.
The Greens are doing what they do best: nothing much of use, but a bit of damage to the only party that will ever form government with a full pledge on renewable energy.
So, when is the Greens Party forming government?
Remind me.
They are the Abbott of the Left: wreckers at the margins.
Good bye Coal lovers:
Andy Vesey @AndyVesey_AGL
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.@TonyAbbottMHR We’re getting out of coal. We committed to the closure of the Liddell power station in 2022, the end of its operating life.
LNP they only do discrimination so well:
Lenore Taylor @lenoretaylor
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Postal survey on same-sex marriage ‘unique and offensive’, high court told
Trog Sorrenson @ #329 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 5:13 pm
Labor had superior Climate Change and Environmental policies. The Greens didn’t have the bottle to campaign with us for them after they had been enacted.
Maybe you should stop drinking Milo and Bludging all day, Trog. A bit of campaigning expertise would go a long way with The Greens. All they seem to be good at is whinging about Labor.
zoidlord @ #335 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 5:17 pm
What kind of battery storage would be available by 2022 ?
C@t
I feel shredded.
C@tmomma @ #337 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 5:20 pm
Rudd was the terminator.
Rex
In 2022 battery storage will be less than half the cost of today. Price is dropping faster than even solar panels.
It is just as well the Greens will be around in the next Senate to stop whatever Labor tries to get through Parliament. We all know that whatever Labor does is NEVER good enough for the holier than thous.
Just so the Greens can have their cake and eat it too.
Trog Sorrenson @ #341 Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 5:24 pm
Could you tweet that to David Speers and the sky team pls trog? They’re on a pro-coal rampage today.
Who watches Sky News?
C@tmomma
The unions Socrates referred to deserve a good swipe. Valid criticism is not being anti-union. Or are you of the “my country right or wrong” school ?
Rex
Speers and Sky are on trickle down from the corporate rent seekers.
So if the HC knocks the voluntary postal survey on the head what happens to all the survey papers that surely would have been printed by now?
Here’s one idea, load them up in big dump trucks and deliver them to all the MP’s who supported the proposal.
http://www.afr.com/business/carbon-tax-axed-rudd-says-families-to-save-380-a-year-as-labor-plans-38bn-cuts-20130716-jydkn
This is crazy stuff.
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/nsw/2016/02/16/straight-men-may-be-confused-for-gay-men–acl.html