Newspoll: 53-47 to Labor

Another stable Newspoll, as both major parties gain a point on the primary vote at the expense of the various “others”.

Another fortnight (or so), another 53-47 to Labor result from Newspoll. This time out the primary votes are Coalition 36% (up one), Labor 37% (up one), Greens 9% (down one) and One Nation 9% (down two). Malcolm Turnbull’s personal ratings are slightly improved, with approval up two to 34% and disapproval down two to 54%, and his lead as preferred prime minister out from 41-33 to 43-32, while Bill Shorten is unchanged at 33% approval and 53% disapproval.

UPDATE: Paywalled Australian report here. Kevin Bonham: “Same 2PP five #Newspolls in a row, a new all-time record. #auspol”.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. A nice little discussion about ‘quitting sugar’…

    ‘As you’re well aware, you haven’t quit sugar at all. You eat fruit, you eat granola, you eat broccoli, raspberry cheesecake and barbeque sauce! There’s sugar in all of them. And of course we’re “addicted to sugar” – that was hardwired when we first got a taste of it in our mothers’ milk.’

    The ‘you’ in this case is quite specific – the author of a particular book, who is partaking in the debate, but the general point applies.

    I’d also agree with this:

    ‘So, here’s a request: do spread the message about excess sugar in the diet. Have a go at the sugar-peddling food and beverage corporations. But tell the truth and don’t give people absolutist prescriptions they can’t possibly fulfil. Or worry them away from eating what is probably healthy – a balanced variety of fresh foods cooked, shared and eaten with pleasure.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/australia-food-blog/2013/dec/10/should-we-stop-eating-sugar

    …and, as my son says – I could deprive myself of this small pleasure and live to be 95, or I could have it and live to be 94 years, 11 months, twenty nine days, eleven hours and fifty nine seconds.

    And, jenauthor, I was quite clearly talking about added sugar, as were the links I referred to. Your admission that the body creates its own sugar sort of counteracts the ‘getting rid of sugar stops cancers growing’ idea, too.

  2. Guytaur,
    Whoa!
    It almost seems as though Kevin Rudd might have known something when he went on about refugee resettlement last week. 😉

  3. c@tmomma @ #396 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    Bemused,
    The ALP in Victoria is genteel compared to NSW.
    So why do you use it as the justification for your perennially rude behaviour on this blog? Seeing as how you are a member of the Victorian ALP?

    I certainly rank well below you on the rudeness scale.
    And robust debate is not necessarily rude. Actually, a lot of the passion has gone out of ALP debates these days.

  4. VE – you must freak at my 65% fat diet then … but I have to say I am healthier than I have ever been and the cardiac specialist (who I only see because my sister died suddenly/young from a cardiac event) is amazed at my heart health for someone my age. Plus I look much younger (because fat in the diet ‘youthens’ the complexion)

  5. Pastoralists have called on the State Government to help them take part in a Federal Government carbon-farming scheme that could be worth hundreds of millions to WA.

    Meekatharra pastoralist Jason Hastie has delivered a petition to Agriculture Minister Alannah MacTiernan calling for the State Government to develop a framework to allow for the issue and management of carbon sequestration rights in the rangelands, which covers 87 per cent of WA.

    Carbon sequestration is the growing of vegetation, shrubs and trees by specific farming methods which maximises the capture of carbon from the atmosphere, and which then stores it in plant matter and soil.

    Mr Hastie said pastoralists in Queensland and NSW were already drawing an income from the Federal Government’s Emission Reduction Fund.

    But he said it was largely beyond the capacity of private WA farmers to develop rangeland carbon sequestration methods, and they needed the State Government’s help.

    https://thewest.com.au/business/agriculture/wa-farmers-want-state-government-help-to-access-multi-million-dollar-carbon-scheme-ng-b88543927z

    I’m sure I’ve seen stuff posted here indicating the return on investment for farmers participating in this scheme is very low. And I wonder if Farmer Hastie is any relation to MP Hastie.

  6. bemused @ #390 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    grimace @ #382 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    @ GG # 377
    “I would suggest that if the solution to the Western world’s weight problem was that easy then obesity would not be a problem – spoken by someone who has had weight loss surgery.”
    I was responding to Bemused’s simple suggestion that loosing weight was as simple as keeping your mouth shut. The bit about weight loss surgery was a declaration of interest on my part.

    Actually, I was quoting Doc Martin. But I had a good laugh at it and it does contain a basic truth.

    “How hard could it be” type comments bring back memories for me of a screaming match I had while I was finance manager of a joint venture with a representative of the other joint venture partner (I worked for the other partner and was on secondment to the JV).

    The JV was had been financially disastrous to that point in time and he suggested to me that my job wasn’t that hard and that there were a number of simple things that I should be doing, to which I suggested that if that’s how he really felt then he should leave his job and take up my position at the joint venture and give it a go if he thought it was that easy, then added a complimentary assessment of his character and my opinion of his personal and professional failings.

    It was a bloody good argument and he never spoke to me again for the remaining 18 months I was associated with the JV.

  7. Bemused,
    I certainly rank well below you on the rudeness scale.

    Lol. 😆 I seem to forget being banned from PB. Twice. Like you. For being rude to other posters. 🙂

    And please, don’t even bother with the ‘that’s because I’m not a favourite’ load of old cobbler’s boots. Everyone but you it seems knows the truth.

    And robust debate is not necessarily rude.
    So why are you then?

  8. zeh @ #397 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    William Bowe @ #375 Monday, July 24th, 2017 – 2:44 pm

    Sorry Grimace, but I know nothing at all about CCCP.

    As suggested earlier, is it possible to update this thread with new links (the old ones don’t work)
    https://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/09/23/cccp-testing-page/
    CCCP – http://bit.ly/2tsCOhl
    STFU – http://bit.ly/2uqW8ga
    Then we could safely link this blog post to interested users without fear of filtration.
    Regarding security issues with userscripts, of course this is a potential risk, and I would advise anyone installing them who doesn’t have the technical knowledge to browse through to code to check for anything nefarious, to ask someone who does and they trust to do so for them.
    Regarding apple & safari, not much you can do other than move away from using safari (highly recommended)

    Thankyou.

  9. Zeh @ #397 Monday, July 24th, 2017 – 3:01 pm

    I would advise anyone installing them who doesn’t have the technical knowledge to browse through to code to check for anything nefarious, to ask someone who does and they trust to do so for them.
    Regarding apple & safari, not much you can do other than move away from using safari (highly recommended)

    I like the recommendation against using Safari. Am more nonplussed at the prospect that you probably looked over my hastily hacked-up ‘PB Comments Plugin’ code with a critical eye.

  10. c@tmomma @ #409 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    Bemused,
    I certainly rank well below you on the rudeness scale.
    Lol. I seem to forget being banned from PB. Twice. Like you. For being rude to other posters.
    And please, don’t even bother with the ‘that’s because I’m not a favourite’ load of old cobbler’s boots. Everyone but you it seems knows the truth.
    And robust debate is not necessarily rude.
    So why are you then?

    I do unto others as they do unto me.

  11. BiGD,
    Tempting, but you have winter down there.

    Can I work from here?

    I imagine your internet is faster there than here, so it doesn’t sound like such a bad proposition! Maybe they can come to you? 😀

  12. Grimace & A R & Others
    Also, I would suggest using the chrome extension and/or firefox plugin, over the more manual userscript setup.
    These also have a bit more oversight security wise (Otherwise they would get pulled from the respective stores). Whereas userscripts are pretty much wide open for abuse.

    Firefox Addon: https://mzl.la/2uOU6JC
    Chrome Extension: http://bit.ly/2uPEZ1U
    These were both last updated in April 2017

  13. confessions @ #407 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    Pastoralists have called on the State Government to help them take part in a Federal Government carbon-farming scheme that could be worth hundreds of millions to WA.
    Meekatharra pastoralist Jason Hastie has delivered a petition to Agriculture Minister Alannah MacTiernan calling for the State Government to develop a framework to allow for the issue and management of carbon sequestration rights in the rangelands, which covers 87 per cent of WA.
    Carbon sequestration is the growing of vegetation, shrubs and trees by specific farming methods which maximises the capture of carbon from the atmosphere, and which then stores it in plant matter and soil.
    Mr Hastie said pastoralists in Queensland and NSW were already drawing an income from the Federal Government’s Emission Reduction Fund.
    But he said it was largely beyond the capacity of private WA farmers to develop rangeland carbon sequestration methods, and they needed the State Government’s help.

    https://thewest.com.au/business/agriculture/wa-farmers-want-state-government-help-to-access-multi-million-dollar-carbon-scheme-ng-b88543927z
    I’m sure I’ve seen stuff posted here indicating the return on investment for farmers participating in this scheme is very low. And I wonder if Farmer Hastie is any relation to MP Hastie.

    But I thought big government was bad? Or is that only when they are making you pay your fair share of taxes or giving handouts in areas that won’t directly benefit your chosen loud mouthed constituency?

  14. Growing numbers of West Australians are struggling to keep their lights on, with figures revealing the number of households needing help to pay power bills almost trebled last financial year.

    State Government statistics show that even before an 11 per cent hike in electricity prices came into effect on July 1 the number of people battling to afford their utility bills had rocketed.

    According to the Department of Communities, the number of applications made by Synergy customers soared from 10,266 in 2015-16 to more than 27,000 last financial year.

    As a result, the amount of money paid out under the Hardship Utility Grant Scheme to Synergy customers rose from just $4.3 million in 2015-16 to $11.4 million in 2016-17.

    https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/household-utility-bills-pain-soars-ng-b88542678z

    These figures appear to run counter to ScoMo’s ‘nothing to see here’ take on inequality.

  15. Zeh @ #416 Monday, July 24th, 2017 – 3:14 pm

    Grimace & A R & Others
    Also, I would suggest using the chrome extension and/or firefox plugin, over the more manual userscript setup.
    These also have a bit more oversight security wise (Otherwise they would get pulled from the respective stores). Whereas userscripts are pretty much wide open for abuse.

    Firefox Addon: https://mzl.la/2uOU6JC
    Chrome Extension: http://bit.ly/2uPEZ1U
    These were both last updated in April 2017

    Further to that it will explicitly request specific permissions of you (and your browser), unlike userscripts

  16. “And, jenauthor, I was quite clearly talking about added sugar, as were the links I referred to. Your admission that the body creates its own sugar sort of counteracts the ‘getting rid of sugar stops cancers growing’ idea, too.”

    The body only makes the ‘sugars it needs’ to run the brain and generally makes them in ketones. The process is highly intricate and I don’t claim to have all the answers, but I do know that if the body does not have freely available sugars many cancers cannot thrive or grow. Lots of research is being done into this. This works in combination with the body’s ability to remove dead/diseased cells, which appears to be enhanced when on a Ketogenic diet. The vodcasts and papers I’ve read about all this are highly detailed and talk about complicated bodily processes (well and truly above my scientific expertise) but the gist is as I said above.

  17. a r @ #412 Monday, July 24th, 2017 – 3:11 pm

    Zeh @ #397 Monday, July 24th, 2017 – 3:01 pm

    I would advise anyone installing them who doesn’t have the technical knowledge to browse through to code to check for anything nefarious, to ask someone who does and they trust to do so for them.
    Regarding apple & safari, not much you can do other than move away from using safari (highly recommended)

    I like the recommendation against using Safari. Am more nonplussed at the prospect that you probably looked over my hastily hacked-up ‘PB Comments Plugin’ code with a critical eye.

    AHA! Exposed….
    Just when i recommended them… I’ve not had an issue with them, hacky or not they work as intended for me. And see aforementioned espoused benefits over userscripts

  18. I do unto others as they do unto me.

    No, Bemused, more often than not you perceive imagined sleights which then engender one of your typical slagfests.

    I mean, it seems as though you were reading the blog every day you were banned. Did you not notice how the level of comity increased almost exponentially once you were unable to comment any more? And how it has returned with a vengeance since you have been allowed to comment again? Are you able to reflect constructively for long enough to realise what the common denominator is? It’s you.

    Cue snarling snark, or maybe snide one-liner for variety, in 3…2…1…

  19. Grimace:

    Haha! The coalition is the party of taxpayer handouts to vested interests while telling everyone else to tighten their belts.

    But in all seriousness, the references potential $200,000pa income for farmers involved in the scheme. Surely if that was the kind of income in play there’d be more farmers signing up to it? I’m not sure of the economies of scale however.

  20. So we have a new front on immigration. More allegations the government is lying. How long before Gallery calls them out for the liars they are. I can say this without being defamatory due to past allegations proven through inquiry on the record.

  21. SkyNewsAust: #BREAKING A UN agency alleges the government agreed to resettle some refugees on Manus and Nauru in Australia. pic.twitter.com/5zafTo1iIB

  22. These figures appear to run counter to ScoMo’s ‘nothing to see here’ take on inequality.

    Scott Morrison also thought that purchasing a house for your baby if you live in Sydney was perfectly normal. Thus there was no such thing as a ‘Housing Crisis’ because such things were possible.

  23. confessions @ #23 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    Grimace:
    Haha! The coalition is the party of taxpayer handouts to vested interests while telling everyone else to tighten their belts.
    But in all seriousness, the references potential $200,000pa income for farmers involved in the scheme. Surely if that was the kind of income in play there’d be more farmers signing up to it? I’m not sure of the economies of scale however.

    It was my understanding that the emissions reduction fund was out of cash? So if that was the case, then how are they going to get supposed income?

  24. c@tmomma @ #415 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    BiGD,
    Tempting, but you have winter down there.
    Can I work from here?
    I imagine your internet is faster there than here, so it doesn’t sound like such a bad proposition! Maybe they can come to you?

    Well, I’m in the middle of nowhere, small country town near the border with Cambodia and here are my speeds on home WiFi.

    Ping – 3 ms
    Download – 6.56 Mbps
    Upload – 8.02 Mbps

    How’s that check out? 🙂

  25. Something is dodgy here:

    The United Nations refugee agency has accused the Turnbull government of failing to honour a “clear understanding” that it would allow some people on Nauru and Manus Island to resettle in Australia.

    In a statement strikingly at odds with the Turnbull government’s public position that no refugees now in offshore detention would step foot in Australia, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees said the agency had agreed to help administer the deal between Australia and the United States on the understanding there would be exceptions for vulnerable people with family ties in Australia.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/united-nations-claims-government-had-agreed-to-resettle-some-refugees-in-australia-under-us-deal-20170724-gxhi1o.html

  26. Why allow farmers to make $200 large a year for planting saplings and leaving scrub in place, when farmers in Queensland are ripping the guts out of THEIR land!?!

  27. @ A R
    Full disclosure, I did ‘research’ the user who submitted these to the respective stores just prior to your message (I thought I better do a bit of vetting before I recommended them to others to use) and stumbled upon a resume and some other details, which left me with the near definite conclusion that it was indeed your handiwork…
    PS. Your resume is more impressive than mine. :X

  28. c@tmomma @ #422 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    I do unto others as they do unto me.
    No, Bemused, more often than not you perceive imagined sleights which then engender one of your typical slagfests.
    I mean, it seems as though you were reading the blog every day you were banned. Did you not notice how the level of comity increased almost exponentially once you were unable to comment any more? And how it has returned with a vengeance since you have been allowed to comment again? Are you able to reflect constructively for long enough to realise what the common denominator is? It’s you.
    Cue snarling snark, or maybe snide one-liner for variety, in 3…2…1…

    Life’s too short to be bothered engaging in your endless nonsense so this i my last comment.
    I noticed an identifiable group gloating and making such comments. Who were they? Mostly the PB bullies.

  29. Guytaur:

    Didn’t Peter Dutton only last week tell us that none of the AS would be resettled in Australia?

    I wonder if the US has reneged on the deal, thus necessitating this move.

  30. BiGD,
    How’s that check out?

    With Up faster than Down you can surely join the Communications team! It’s about FTTN speeds. So you can stay where you are and contribute to an ALP victory! 🙂

  31. Grimace:

    Good question, and one to which I do not have the answer. Interesting that the farmers are saying they can’t make a genuine go of it without state govt assistance. If it’s a federal scheme, the feds should fund it, or leverage resourcing off innovation via the private sector.

  32. Fess.

    Yes the context of which Cat referred to with Rudd’s remarks which Mr Shorten was asked about by Cassidy on Insiders.

    It was assumed that Dutton was telling the truth in the question asked of Shorten by Cassidy.

  33. Personally I believe those whining about how William does his gig should put their money where their loud mouths are and go elsewhere. I mean, nobody is forcing you to comment here, so if it really is so terrible for you and if William truly is such a partisan meanie, why hang around? Are youse that much into self-loathing?

  34. Barney in Go Dau @ #428 Monday, July 24th, 2017 – 3:22 pm

    c@tmomma @ #415 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    BiGD,
    Tempting, but you have winter down there.
    Can I work from here?
    I imagine your internet is faster there than here, so it doesn’t sound like such a bad proposition! Maybe they can come to you?

    Well, I’m in the middle of nowhere, small country town near the border with Cambodia and here are my speeds on home WiFi.

    Ping – 3 ms
    Download – 6.56 Mbps
    Upload – 8.02 Mbps

    How’s that check out? 🙂

    That ping result is a bit low, suggesting an extremely close test server, try to manually select one some distance away from you and then view your upload speed.
    Upload is extremely dependent on distance. As most web services are hosts overseas (NA or EU), this speed result wont be very indicative of ‘real world’ use…
    Many cloud services now have frontends within AU however, in Sydney particularly, so this is encouraging…

  35. Whilst on the subject of health and well being.

    A key to all could lie in medicinal cannabis. Humans and other mammals have an endocannabanoid system which involves receptors. And what responds so naturally to these receptors, cannabis.
    Makes you wonder why this plant was ever banned all those years ago.

  36. @ confessions – one would suspect that the soil is too shit to grow enough there.

    So true to form for Australia (lets grow rice in the driest continent on the planet), when an area is completely unsuitable for farming, we’ll farm there anyway and have the people that do actual money generating work subsidise the farmers.

  37. kayjay @ #225 Monday, July 24, 2017 at 11:26 am

    Grimace
    I have just download and installed Chrome for Windows. The latest version is 59.0.3071
    What is the version 4.12 that your have referenced?
    CCCP latest version is 5.51
    and STFU latest version is 2.06
    :really interested emoji:

    The issue seems to have righted itself, but I couldn’t find the appropriate downloads when I did an internet search. IIRC it was you who posted the links most recently, if you could repost for me I’d really appreciate it.

    I will post the links which is from “Recommend CCCP” which shows at the bottom of each page.
    To post this information I have to amend the address of “Greasy Fork” because ” Crikey, our much esteemed benefactors otherwise sends the post to another dimension.
    A “Google” for “Greasyfork” is required and thence with “Greasyfork” web site for “Musrum” will give you the links for “CCCP and STFU.
    In return for this miniscule service would you please advise where it is that you pork your caw.

  38. Bemused,
    Yes, life’s too short. So why do you bother in the first place? We’d all get along much better if you didn’t.

    And this is a load of malarkey:
    I noticed an identifiable group gloating and making such comments. Who were they? Mostly the PB bullies.

    There are no ‘PB bullies’, only people you seem to want to intimidate and denigrate, but who will not put up with it. And we are not a ‘group’, we are individual agents with our own opinions. The only thing we have in common is that we have all identified a problem you have. Which you seem unwilling or unable to do anything about. Despite all your lame excuses.

    But as you’re not reading this I fully expect you’ll continue on in the same vein, without the slightest flicker of self-awareness, and we’ll all just to learn to tolerate it, again, and as we have done for year after year after year.

  39. Guytaur:

    I doubt it. How would Rudd know this govt or all govts was planning to move people to Australia? I’m wondering whether the US deal has fallen through.

  40. Confessions

    Rudd has UN contacts. Part of the US deal fallen through or not is that refugees be settled in Australia. No excuses. This is the allegation that was agreed to.

  41. ‘The process is highly intricate and I don’t claim to have all the answers, but I do know that if the body does not have freely available sugars many cancers cannot thrive or grow’

    …and therefore your body is also not thriving.

    Cancers don’t magically pluck sugars out of your gut. They get the same way every other part of your body does, by pulling them out of the bloodstream as the blood flows by.

    A cancer will pull as much sugar as it needs from the bloodstream, in the same way any other organ does.

    So if your bloodstream is depleted of sugar, the cancer will still draw sugars out – which means that an organ further along the track is not getting the sugar it needs.

    The feedback loop to your brain will not be “X organ did not get enough sugar because a cancer took it all’ — it will be ‘my body is not manufacturing enough sugar, more is needed”, and so sugar will be manufactured until the cancer (and every other bit of your body) is getting the amount of sugar it needs.

    There’s a limit to how much sugar can be manufactured, however. Most of us can get by on our reserves for a very long period of time, because of our high sugar intake. Rely on your body to manufacture its own, from whatever source, for extended periods of time, in order to starve out a cancer and you won’t thrive, either.

    I am not pushing the idea that people need to eat processed sugar in order to supply their body’s needs, although a couple of teaspoons on your porridge or in your coffee isn’t going to do you any harm at all. (The author who ‘quit sugar’ I cited still had sugar in her diet; she just didn’t add it directly to anything). But sugar (as in glucose) is an essential for bodily health, and it needs to come from somewhere.

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