Next to no change on the BludgerTrack poll aggregate this week, with the weekly Essential Research being the only new poll conducted over Easter. However, Labor makes a net gain on the seat projection, making gains of one apiece on Victoria and Queensland and dropping one in Western Australia. The state-level seat measures should be a bit more volatile, now that I’m using trend measures to calculate each state’s deviation from the national total rather than the crude post-election averages I was using until last week.
For those wishing to discuss elections in Britain and France, note that there’s a dedicated thread for that. And while you’re about, please take advantage of our sensational Crikey discounted subscriptions offer.
Assuming that the French polls close around 8:00PM local time, the first results would start coming in in the small hours tomorrow morning East Australian time. I expect that the results would be known by breakfast time tomorrow unless it’s very close (no preferences to distribute).
Anyway, just caught up with the real suffering of people.
BH, my sincere condolences to you and your family on the loss of your, I think, youngest son. I’m sorry to hear that his battle has come to an end. But I’m glad his pain has passed. I hope you and your family are okay. I’m thinking of you. Fondest regards to you and your family
And to Fiona, my erstwhile friend, there’s nothing quite like the loss of a mother (or a father). My thoughts are with your, despite your stoicism.
confessions @ #241 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 3:45 pm
This is an issue that really annoys me. It is the height of Australian arrogance to think that we can dictate terms to the Vietnamese on how we will commemorate ANZAC day in THEIR country. They have every tight to dictate terms as they see fit for ANZAC commemorations in their country.
Australia and its allies (“we”) started the Vietnam war on the basis of a lie, we trashed the country and we cut and run after we got our arses kicked leaving our supposed allies in the south to their fate with the north, and left an impoverished country to deal with the impact of being trashed by some of the richest countries in the world.
The Vietnamese don’t have to get over it, they don’t have to forgive or forget and they certainly do not have to entertain the boorish behaviour of Australian’s who are visitors in their country towards the commemorations for a war we started in their country.
What exactly would Australia’s attitude be if the Japanese wanted to hold a commemoration in Darwin over the bombing of that city? And if the visiting Japanese were allowed to hold their own commemoration and then behaved the way some Australians do when visiting war sites overseas then we’d be hearing the howls of outrage for years afterwards.
Rock solid’: Peter Dutton says he’d like to be PM but so would 148 others
looks like the plans in place .
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/23/rock-solid-peter-dutton-says-hed-like-to-be-pm-but-so-would-148-others
here”s the link
Suffering in any war validates no truth about a war other than that the suffering happened.
grimace:
It’s only official memorials that are banned, people can still have their own private commemorative activities at Long Tan, just without media and officialdom.
Grimace
We allow the Japanese to commemorate their dead, in a dignified way!
But Abbott thought it was fine. Yee hah: “Tony Abbott’s praise of Japanese submariners delivers a blow to nation’s psyche”: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-praise-of-japanese-submariners-delivers-a-blow-to-nations-psyche-20140715-zti06.html
But the Press didn’t.
Thankfully, Malcolm Dumbell, is now PM, replacing the idiot Abbott. Yet, Malcolm Dumbell’s now hand-in-glove with the most incompetent US administration since I don’t know when. Up you China, seems to be the go.
Pity about China winning the 2nd World War.
BW
Slick.
G
Australia has gone a bit troppo in relation to war.
It is pervasive and potentially extremely dangerous.
We still have many people in Australia who resolutely refuse to acknowledge that the Russians killed more germans and that the Chinese and Americans killed more Japanese than did the British.
They use sentences like, ‘Britain won the war.’
Some Australians are also largely deluded about the actual difference Australia made during the two world wars.
Confronted with the view that neither war was shortened by a day as a result of Australia’s efforts they appear to be confused.
confessions @ #257 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 4:26 pm
My wife’s family have a long history of military service and have had plenty to say on this issue, and lost a family member in the Vietnam war and have some strong opinion on what is going on in Vietnam over this issue.
My wife is the resident leftie in a family full of conservatives and there is an unspoken mutual agreement that keeps the peace on these matters. Pointing out that “we” don’t have the right to dictate terms on commemorations would start quite a battle. I’ve been under strict orders from the wife to have absolutely zero participation in these conversations due to the significant gaps in our points of view.
grimace
#261 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 4:42 pm
You display great wisdom. More power to you. ☮ ✌
Our war dead are comestibles to current strategic and trading needs.
We construct edifices of lies on their graves.
Japan is a friendly country.
Japanese Government ministers worship the spirits of convicted Japanese war criminals at Yasukuni Shrine.
The Yasukuni Shrine gives a treasured place to locomotive C5631.
This locomotive pulled the first train to go end-to-end on the Burma Railway.
kezza2 @ #258 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 4:30 pm
Which was my point, we dictate the terms of that commemoration, they are not dictated to us.
Boerwar
This NYT article says it
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/21/arts/a-job-for-rewrite-stalin-s-war.html
P
Yep.
‘God favours the big battalions’.
Grimace @ 4:15pm
I am with you 100%.
Same goes for Iraq – if we ever want to commemorate our invasion of their country on their soil.
G and B
Falluljah would be an appropriate location to celebrate Australia’s unprovoked invasion of Iraq.
I suggest that the celebrations be led by Howard.
They would lynch him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah
Grimace @ 4.48pm
I did a reply, lost, never to return.
I know it was your point. I wasn’t contesting that.
Still, BW has an enormous chip on his shoulder about the Allies (read, Australia & England), and he doesn’t want to give England, nor Australia, any kudos for their effort in WWII, because his Dutch family suffered, in Singapore.
Yet, he found shelter here. And still he can’t forgive. Nor our fauna
Pope calls for Govts to get migrants out of holding camps. Obviously not talking about the jolly hockey sticks holiday resorts our Catholic overlords are running in the tropics.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-23/pope-likens-meeting-migrants-in-centres-to-concentration-camps/8465226
The Pope could do a far better thing by opening the Vatican’s archives to civilian prosecutors in several hundred countries around the world.
Boerwar
The Russkiy’s “Stalin’s Organs” must have been horrific for infantry in the the steppes. They still love ’em to this day.
Then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ntSKVPiJ4
Now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71eF8HdZb8
grimace:
I never attend Anzac memorials in Australia so can’t ever see the day I’d be moved to attend one in another country. 🙂
Hola Bludgers! Tapping back into Bludgerville via my ‘new’ 5yo Dell i7 laptop with Windows 10! The afternoon has been spent frustratingly but productively transferring all my old data to my new lappie. Plus setting up all my accounts again. 🙄
I might even be able to access a whole new sweet suite of emojis now. Ha! 😛
This quote mistakenly attributed to Stalin is a good summary re WWII
“the British gave time, the Americans gave money, and the Russians gave
blood”.
I hope Melenchon and Le Pen are the two candidates who get through to the final round of the French presidential election. Another neoliberal centrist as president would accelerate the painful decay of France and Europe. Genuine progressives should be hoping for a Melenchon versus Le Pen contest.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/04/french-presidential-election-first-round-melenchon/
I do want to say, that I had the worst feeling come over me today when I was out and about in the car and I heard the 12 o’clock news say Dutton was thinking about releasing footage of the Manus Island incident to prove that his assertions are correct. All I have been able to think about is that he might be trying a Reith/Howard Children Overboard ‘proof’ move. I would hope that we won’t get fooled again by it if he does.
c@tmomma @ #274 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 5:14 pm
And Microsoft will have access to all your personal data now. Ha!
Here’s how to fix it – https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
Dutton’s problem is that over 100 rounds were fired at and into HIS responsibility and that Australian contractors sought refuge… amongst the refugees.
If he release ALL of the footage of course.
Labor should simply insist that ALL footage on the day be released – uncensored and unmanipulated.
JR
Sure. Just ignore the Chinese contribution.
Nuts.
kezza2 @ #269 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 5:01 pm
Geography and history were not my strong points at school, and popular culture movies are a poor substitute, so I’ll refrain from passing judgement on who did the most heavy lifting during WW2.
N
Doesn’t dialectical materialism indicate that the best way to expose the opium of the people for what it is, is to ensure that Le Pen wins?
Trump Reaches Beyond West Wing for Counsel
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/us/politics/donald-trump-white-house.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Those 20 people listed as those he’s reaching out to include his two idiot sons, Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity, Chris Christie for goodness sake, and a raft of ageing 80+ year old white super rich businessmen.
Is it any wonder his govt is hell bent on governing in the vested interests rather than the interests of Americans.
boerwar @ #268 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 4:59 pm
Ok with me so long as we can guarantee those born grossly deformed as a result of their parents exposure to depleted uranium munitions are kept out of sight and out of mind. I don’t want my gauche display of patriotism to be disturbed by exposure to the consequences of that which I am there to commemorate.
Will we see the same exertions by Lachlan and James when it comes to News Ltd in Australia?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/business/media/murdoch-family-21st-century-fox.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
confessions @ #286 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 5:46 pm
Is the pope a muslim?
Thanks, Player One, I might give it a go. 🙂
Hmmm
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/north-korean-threats-will-leave-alliance-countries-little-choice-20170423-gvqpxh.html
I bet James and Lachlan <3 Jared and Ivanka though.
c@tmomma @ #288 Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 5:56 pm
Windows 10 is not an operating system. It is a surveillance device and a marketing tool.
P1:
The real test will be Fox News and the Oz over here, Rupert’s babies.
C@t:
James’ wife is absolutely no fan of Trump or his govt. Her tweets:
https://twitter.com/KathrynAMurdoch
Any predictions on this week’s Newspoll and Essential?
Will there be a Newspoll tonight? (or an Ipsos for that matter)
If there isn’t a Newspoll, then Mal’s big 457 announcement during the week was completely wasted.
kezza
‘If you really want to give accolades to Russia, China and America, then perhaps you should explain why they were so reluctant to end it more quickly; instead of the hero-worship you award them..’
Depends which historians you read. The Russians and Americans were really shirty about England, because Churchill was far more focussed on keeping the Empire than he was on defeating Hitler. Some believe D-Day – and the end of the war – was delayed by at least a year because Churchill was quite happy for the Russians to keep fighting – and dying.
I found the article about peer review interesting – one of my friends has been leading the charge on this, exposing fraudulent methods used by those submitting papers.
In one case, after several requests for data, each one which had to be more and more specific, he found that the original data and that the authors wanted to use in the publication were totally unrelated (as in, made up to suit the authors’ contention).
When he pointed this out to the authors, he received the hopeful reply: “Can we publish anyway?”
Me no think P Duddy will ask for a copy of this Rowe Toon !!
P
The Darling of the Right.