The latest Essential Research fortnightly rolling aggregate result has Labor’s lead back to 52-48 after two weeks at 51-49, with the Coalition down a point on the primary vote to 39%, Labor steady on 37%, the Greens steady on 10% and the Nick Xenophon Team down one to 3%. Other questions find an across-the-board decline in trust towards a range of institutions since the question was last posed in October. At the top of the list are state and federal police, followed by the High Court and the ABC, while political parties take the wooden spoon, followed by business groups, state and federal parliaments, religious organisations and trade unions. A series of indicators involving personal wellbeing were reported as having improved over the past 50 years, while job security and political leadership had become much worse. A question on trust in handling personal information found either a lot of trust or some trust for security agencies (51%), the Australian Bureau of Statistics (46%) and banks (45%), compared with 20% for social media sites.
Actually, I am surprised William has been so indifferent to the efforts of some to encourage the dim witted to disobey the law in relation to completing the census form.
Does it make him an accomplice?
Don
I haven’t made any comments about the number who I think have completed it Australia wide. I have no idea of what that number may be.
I will point out that the ABS has acknowledged a back log in registering forms received, so at the moment they don’t know how many they’ve got, either.
Ludlum’s statement makes it clear that the number outstanding is less than 20%. I don’t know how old his data is.
I have pointed to the problems of citing local newspaper articles as sources, and about the response and return rates in my own particular area.
confessions @ #2686 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:23 pm
Fess, we have no actual data to go on (not, I feel, by happenstance) but I suspect your reaction, and your response, is one that has been shared by a much larger proportion of the Australian population than ever before.
In previous years, the big deal was that people put in ‘Jedi’ for their religion.
Things have apparently moved a lot since then. That was just having a little fun, though it obviously annoyed the ABS. They have a much bigger and very much more serious protest on their hands this time around.
It is a many headed protest, from simply not filling in the forms at all, to not putting in any name, to not putting in an address, to putting in false names and addresses, to falsifying as much information as possible.
The government is to blame. It is a basic tenet of retail marketing, ‘the customer is always right’.
Blaming the victim is never going to get them anywhere.
Zoomster
Good luck with that. And also with identifying the “houses whose occupants weren’t there on the night”. That’s what I told my collectors as well, so they would (both) stop bothering me. But even if your response rate is as high as 90% – all that means is that in other areas the response rate must be down in the 70s, or perhaps even lower. There were reports of it being as low as 50% in some areas, but of course those reports – being anecdotal – are no more reliable than yours.
Only the ABS really knows, and they ain’t telling … for fairly obvious reasons.
Nicole,
In Unity is strength
Which is why I am surprised you have done no more than a metaphorical stamping of the feet. Or, have you reached out to all the other little fishes and organised a co-ordinated approach to protest? Over and above persistently bringing it up at your ALP Branch meetings, that is?
zoomster @ #2702 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:38 pm
That is not what you said earlier:
In that response, you attempted to say that there was virtually no one protesting, and gave the protest in your area as a justification for that view.
Don yes I agree
Now I did fill in my census on time but did not include my name. I accidentally ticked the wrong sex button and was not motivated sufficiently to change it.
I did however give them the information I thought they needed for planning purposes ie the number and ages of people who spent the night in my house. The data will look pretty strange, but is in fact true, other than my sex change.
OK, I’m off. Argue among yourselves. I have to rise at 4am tomorrow as I have to take someone to work who successfully filled the Census in on the day and hasn’t had the time, or the inclination, to give two hoots about it ever since. Joy. : )
Zoomster
Sure. They are so for behind that they still haven’t managed to log those people who did manage to complete the census on the night of the 9th!
Pull the other one – it plays jingle bells!
c@tmomma @ #2705 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:44 pm
Nicole’s ALP Branch meetings must be a real hoot as they try to deal with real world matters in the face of her tirade.
For anyone watching QANDA, Dai Lee is an interesting person. Mike Baird apparently threw a hissy fit that the Liberals would not preselect her for any easy seat to win (both lower and upper NSW houses). She was also angry that she was not put forward for the mayoralty candidate for Fairfield and ran as an independent earning herself a 10 year band from the party.
Don:
The case for data linkage using census responses has never been made, much less even offered outside of meaningless, empty platitudes. In light of that, the lack of response to this year’s census doesn’t surprise me at all.
I will however be interested to learn how many of those who did respond offered bullshit responses that way transcended the Jedi religion answer and leaked into other areas such as name, address, age etc.
Night C@t.
player one @ #2709 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:47 pm
My son did it online on the night. No big deal until they shut it down.
Bemused
Just as you told your story , and how it affected you, to get recognition of drug abuse and associated mental problems, and limitations within law and order/mental health systems, so did the rest of us feel your pain and want to change the system.
You’re not unique. Nor are we. But our stories are equally legitimate.
Just because you’ve forgotten what you told us, but remember what everyone else has said, doesn’t mean that we don’t care about your child, or you.
If you’re finally over the raw shit associated with your son’s death, then that’s great. Don’t belittle the stories of others who are not yet there, and/or are struggling with what life has seemingly meted out.
zoomster @ #2674 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:10 pm
I provided the link to the GC Bulletin website. The article was posted 4 hours earlier. Excuses. Excuses. I am yet to work out how to post a link to a paper copy. 😀
confessions @ #2699 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:35 pm
Yes, I have heard that some collectors have simply given up. And while some have been replaced – I think that is why I ended up with two – others probably haven’t, especially in regional areas. I guess they are intending to move some of their existing collectors to those areas over the next week or two.
Ooooohhhh, C@t, I have to get up at THREE. Not because some dumbcluck has decided to finally fill in their census form, but because of a prior commitment.
Sort of makes the reason for your wont of sympathy for lack of sleep time seem rather OTT.
‘When you get civil disobedience on this scale, the problem is not with the population. The problem is with the government.’
This should be the final word on the bloody charade that was the 2016 census!
‘They are so for behind that they still haven’t managed to log those people who did manage to complete the census on the night of the 9th!’
I haven’t seen any reports of that. Again, my anecdotal experience is that some forms I know for an absolute fact were submitted on a certain date (because I posted them) were taking over a week to clear. So we can assume that any figures coming out of the ABS are either educated guesses or represent the state of play from a week ago.
(On Ludlum’s statement: it reads like the kind of thing you say when you’re citing a number that isn’t as bad as you thought it was going to be….)
Q and A is interesting
Rowan Dean is there to represent the Tony Abbott redux movement.
kezza2 @ #2718 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:57 pm
And I have to get up at TWO! and at FOUR! and at SIX!
It gets like that at a certain age.
No doubt KJ will understand, if you youngsters don’t!
😆
kezza2 @ #2715 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:51 pm
I don’t keep going over that stuff.
IIRC it was mentioned on one occasion when I had been invited to go to Canberra by Getup to participate in an event there.
I can’t remember, but I may also have mentioned making a video with Pat McGorry for a Perth based charity, Youth Focus.
The more general issue that affects many others I continue to occasionally mention.
So what’s your problem?
zoomster @ #2680 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:13 pm
No. These are the only examples of people being fined so far. Flat outright refusals. Remind me to never get you for a lawyer should you ever become a lawyer. I will say should I see him again. It’s a pity they keep sending you around since I’ve already told you I won’t be completing it before the deadline. Then I will wish him a nice day. I will exercise my right to be silent. 😀
I have to get up at 7.30
Zoomster
Plenty of them on twitter. Even those who bothered to keep their receipt number are getting multiple visits and being told they are not registered as having completed the census.
All anecdotal, of course. But there do seem to be a lot of instances.
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P1:
Collectors are told to revisit households at different times of the day if they aren’t hitting the target. This means early morning, early evening, evening, weekends etc. I’m assuming therefore that my collector either can’t be bothered trying to track my census form down, or has since resigned.
el guapo @ #2725 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:04 pm
5.30 for me. Too early, but I have a meeting in the city at 7.30. 🙁
I am going on a long holiday interstate when the Census deadline hits. Now that has turned out to be most convenient timing. I hope none of those rascal neighbourhood kids hit my letterbox while I am interstate. 😀
Victoria:
It’s my view that the public should not be funding either side of the plebiscite debate. Assuming the plebiscite even goes ahead that is.
People STILL banging on about the Census??
Scrolling, scrollin, scrollin……
Through streams of bulldust swollen
Keep them furphies rollin’
Scrollin!!!!!!!!
confessions @ #2731 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:08 pm
Absolutely.
Especially when it could be decided within a day or two on the floor of parliament. That is what we pay them to do.
imacca @ #2732 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:10 pm
Yes.
Do you have anything to contribute, either on the census or on any other subject?
Feel free. If you don’t like the subject, change it. Your call.
Nicole
Sorry, I have no idea what you were saying in your post at 10.03.
You said you weren’t going to fill in the form at all. In which case you are a refusal. In which case, say so. It’s a stand of principle, after all.
confessions
Agreed. The plebiscite and the funding of campaigns is a fat waste of money.
FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS for members of the public to be buried with propaganda over an issue that few really care about much.
FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS. What better things could that money be spent on? Emergency accommodation for the homeless? Legal aid for victims of domestic violence?
‘It’s my view that the public should not be funding either side of the plebiscite debate.’
My worry with this is that churches have very deep pockets and (some) of them will use their funds to campaign against ssm. I’m not sure the pro case has similar resources to draw on.
Don, Vic:
This funding issue looks to me to be yet another way in which Turnbull is expected to capitulate to his reactionary wing. Nothing to do with equality.
kezza2 @ #2700 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:36 pm
Well 4 out of 8 people voted for Sophie Mirabella in 2013 while only 1 in 8 voted for Labor. That evidence gives credibility to your suspicions they are stoopid. At least Cathy McGowan beat Sophie this past election, so there is a little improvement. People in my electorate are stoopid too. They keep voting in Ciobo when he does nothing for us at all.
At least by making a big sing and dance about retaining the names and addresses, there is no question of the ABS being unable to provide documentary evidence of the fact that they’ve counted every house once and once only, should the government or parliament require it.
zoomster @ #2738 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:17 pm
Indeed. But there should not be a plebiscite anyway. This issue should not be a distraction from the underlying issue that civil rights should have to be approved in an opinion poll that does not even bind Parliament.
bemused @ #2701 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Are you referring to Cat telling us to protest better, suggesting delaying was not good enough? 😉
Don’t worry TPOF. Neither the $15mil, nor the $160mil to hold the damn thing will ever be spent. It was always an appalling idea, but also ironically radical for the so-called ‘conservatives’. (but then there never has been a convention the slime wouldn’t throw overboard for short term political advantage)
$15 million could be better used in helping mental health problems in Bendigo, instead of exacerbating or creating new mental health problems.
Zoomster:
Equal public funding to the fundies simply gives them more money for their campaign.
TPOF
‘Indeed. But there should not be a plebiscite anyway..’
Absolute agreement here!
Fess
As TPOF states in his comment above, there shouldnt even be a Plebiscite.
Turnbull couldnt lead his way out of a wet paper bag.
nicole @ #2743 Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:24 pm
Thinking more of you and that ratbag who seems to have you in his thrall. And one or two others.
If Malcolm Turnbull was deposed by ‘his party’, would he hang around? Probably not. Would the Libs lose Wentworth in a by-election? Quite possibly. Perhaps that is the only thing protecting him.