Today’s Courier-Mail brings a Galaxy poll on federal voting intention in Queensland, which finds a dramatic reversal since the last such poll, which was conducted on Tony Abbott’s watch in late August. The Coalition is up nine on the primary vote to 50%, with Labor down eight to 29%. A 51-49 lead to Labor on two-party preferred has transformed into a 58-42 to the Coalition. The poll also finds 61% believe Malcolm Turnbull has the “best plan for Queensland”, compared with 14% for Bill Shorten. The poll was conducted by phone on Tuesday and Wednesday, from a sample of 800 respondents. It will presumably be followed shortly by a result on state voting intention from the same sample.
As much as I support removing children from detention it won’t happen. The government can’t agree to that change as it will weaken their current border protection strategy.
My guess is the HofR will not agree to the changes and send the bill back to the Senate and if the Senate rejects it the government will simply argue that Labor and the Greens have gone soft on border protection.
Juries are more likely to find you guilty at the end of their stint as jurors than at the start as they slowly come to realise they are being conned by defense lawyers.
There is a study for this or is it personal experience?
And to continue clearing up any confusion Marle’s email may have generated.
Facts are facts after all.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-23/bill-to-remove-children-from-detention-centres-passes-senate/6966484
Good on Labor and crossbenchers who supported Greens amendments.
Channel 10 – Police Bill to cover Victorian rally – 1/4 Million $$$$$
WWP
That’s in a study from the US.
Juries are also twice as likely to acquit as judges.
Good on all those in Labor and the crossbenchers who didn’t get caught up in the irrelevant game of gaming the credit for ‘moving’ the jointly agree amendments …
phoenix,
It was reported there were around 100 police at the rally.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-23/australians-should-reject-repudiate-violent-anti-islam-rallies/6963902
Channel 10 – Police Bill to cover Victorian rally – 1/4 Million $$$$$ – FREE speech ?????
…. and those silly people who took toddlers and babies in prams to what turned it into such a violent event from some participants on both sides …..
You are unlikely to get all the facts from the media.
There were 2 amendments proposed for the Bill, one by the Green & one by Labor. You can read them here http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fbillhome%2Fr5532%22
There were two amendments.
@OzRefugeeCounc: Senate passes @sarahinthesen8 bill to free children from detention in Australia. What will PM do in lower house? https://t.co/5eoIZ5NZkQ
kevjohnno,
Thanks for clearing up the confusion!
I rarely only rely on media reports and usually go to check the primary source.
Serves me right for multi-tasking at frenetic speed…so much to do!
mimhoff
Simply repeating something without providing a source just doesn’t work.
So Labor’s amendments amended the Greens amendments with the former from Labor consisting of making minor changes to wording here and there.
So essentially, the media reports are correct.
peg
Yes, as I said, a team effort.
Facts are facts. {wink}
z
Only after I made my posts.
You posted Marle’s email without comment, an email that gave the impression Labor’s amendments were about removing children from detention, etc….
The fact is Labor’s amendments were essentially about making amendments in wording to the Greens amendments that were about removing children from detention.
The media reports were correct.
For years the Greens have played politics with boats just like the coalition, for their own opportunistic reasons.
You can therefore understand their supporters getting excited that they’ve eschewed cheap stunts or crying jags in the interests of actually achieving something meaningful than another headline.
I guess there will be more to this as debate continues.
For years Labor have played politics with boats just like the coalition, for their own opportunistic reasons.
So funny. The number of “cosy deals” between Labor and the Coalition would number into the thousands at least {wink}
Confessions, you are disgusting for saying that the greens argue for a no-torture approach to asylum seekers because they are tribal. They do it because nobody else does, and somebody has to. The pro-torture policy of the coalition and labor needs to be contested. It needs to be taken out of the realm of conventional wisdom and placed within a framework of political choices. You labor drones are making a political choice albeit a cowardly one. You pretend that there is no choice in the matter. You bet your naive arse this issue should be politicised. The political nature of it needs to be exposed. Your mob tries to sweep the questions of power and choices under the carpet.
Nicholas,
Confessions never baits or trolls {wink}
I am not in the least bit “excited” as she puts it. I have just been correcting the record with facts.
Anyway, time to stop multi-tasking and enjoy other pursuits.
Christ. I never read your comments. Are they as hilarious as this normally?
“whether Mal has got the stamina for the job?”
Not sure about parliament, but Turnbull came across as quite pathetic in his meeting with Obama.
Meh. Only a matter of time before Talcum’s poor political judgement reveals itself, and he Gretches something up.
Cant do absolutely f-all forever Mal!
Indeed, it might be time for the ALP to ask:
“Does Malcolm have any policies?”
Just that nice simple question.
Sow that small seed of doubt in a complacent, post-Abbott hammock swing that has become the public state of mind.
I’m not sure Andrews’ sniping from the sidelines is winning him any friends or kudos. It just looks like sour grapes from someone who was a pretty ordinary minister at best.
Positive move from the Senate on children in detention – like it.
Well done, Senators.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-23/bill-to-remove-children-from-detention-centres-passes-senate/6966484
I’d love to track down some quotes by Coalition MPs from when Kevin Rudd was flying as high in the polls as Malcolm Turnbull is now.
C@tmomma
There would be some beauties about Truffles by the not happy RWNJ campers in his ranks.
peg
as I said, Marles’ report was the first reference to the issue that I saw. I didn’t even know if there had been any media coverage – I read what landed in my email.
I do appreciate the gracious nature of your response.
Dear dear me.
Kevin Rudd 2 never flew as high in the polls as Turnbull is now, and his big surge after reinstatement was relatively short-lived.
This is something different altogether. There are three elements – and almost everyone here is trying to pretend the third one doesn’t exist. They are:
1. Anti-Abbott sentiment. Relief he’s gone.
2. Pro-Turnbull sentiment. For many in the political centre, his ascension is a long held wish come true. Crucially, they will cut him a lot of slack in terms of tax policy changes and so forth as they are utterly fed up with Rudd-Gillard-Abbott politics.
3. Anti-Shorten sentiment. Shorten is distrusted deeply by many, and very strongly associated with Rudd-Gillard-Rudd. It now fascinates me no end the way these points are continuously glossed over by so many here.
Confessions, I don’t buy for a second your claim that you don’t read my posts. You read them obsessively. You can’t help yourself. You’re a professional troll. You waive your fee all the time because of the sheer joy you derive from the pursuit, but your output is of professional standard. A troll as prolific as you needs material to work with. Hence your obsessive attention to posts by Greens.
WeWantPaul
The widespread use of torture at Camp Bucca would have sure made for a lot of people becoming highly motivated radicals .
Commenting in a critical way about whether the Member for Freo will cross the floor or be a whimp, is nothing against the disgraceful and cowardly sprint from the HR chamber by Abbott, and Pyne was it?, not so very long ago.
Labor does hypocrisy okay, but the Masters of the Universe in relation to hypocrisy must surely be the LNP and its supporters who come here.
One minute Abbott was King Kong and then all that was left was the hair from what was supposedly the hairy chest.
alias
4. The Coalition with MT is wearing two hats.
Will they be found out to be two faced?
The most memorable quote (for mine) was from Barnaby who acknowledged that Rudd was popular but declared something to the effect of “He’s popular in the polls. Yes. But, by Gee, his numbers are soft. They’re really soft.”
SHY having a crying jag in the Senate was also totally OTT.
Now Nicholas is just getting weird.
One of WA’s youth award nominees:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-23/wa-youth-award-nominees-want-reconciliation-tolerance/6961938
It reminds me of that refugee who won the surfing lesson with Abbott but I recall he refused to honour it or some such.
What really gets me is how political tragics can, by dint of cognitive dissonance, disregard the fact that one of the most important determinants of voters’ decision-making about the political party they will support is their view of the party leaders. You can’t pick a dud leader and spend two years saying “F you” to the electorate on the question of who the leader should be and expect the people to take kindly to your party. So many Labor posters claim that this is just too bad, and Labor needs to be prepared to write off the next election because they think, “Damn it, I think Shorten is pretty good, so the rest of the country should too. Eat your vegetables, voters, and support a Shorten-led ALP!!” The stakes are too high to be that self-indulgent. The leader needs to be an appealing public face for the party. Shorten isn’t. The leader is expendable. The party’s electoral prospects are not. Change leaders and swallow your pride, Laborites. Ideally Shorten would step down voluntarily.
…and nothing anyone here says about Shorten, good or bad or indifferent, will make the slightest difference as to whether he stays or goes.
zoomster:
“Now”?
I find it quite pleasant in assuming no-one reads my posts.