The Seven Network has this evening brought us a ReachTEL poll of federal voting intention which has Labor’s lead at 54-46. The last ReachTEL federal poll was way back on February 5, immediately before the Liberal Party leadership spill vote, at which time the Labor lead was 55-45. All we have on the primary vote, courtesy of The Guardian, is that “the Liberal party’s primary vote is up nearly a point to 35.4%, while Labor is down by the same margin to 40.5%”. The poll finds Tony Abbott’s personal standing to have improved since early February, although that’s not saying much. He ranks third as preferred Liberal leader at 24.2% behind Malcolm Turnbull (42.6%) and Julie Bishop (28.7%).
UPDATE: Full results here. Primary votes: Coalition 39.6% (up 1.2%), Labor 40.5 (down 0.9%), Greens 11.5% (up 0.3%), Palmer United 2.2% (down 0.5%). The poll was conducted last night from a sample of 2417.
Nicholas
Time to worry about Labor metadata policy is when they are in Government, good chance the first time it’s abused Labor will put more safeguards in.
They are just avoiding Tony’s wedgies for now.
Nicholas,
You’re drowning not waving and swimming outside the flags.
Your Greens comrades on the beach are arguing about the ethics of launching a rescue boat that compromises the environment of the blower fish.
You are doomed!
Denis Hopper dead at 74.
GG! You sir are a mensch! I have always said it! If only Labor had more like you!
ESJ,
I liked it better when you called me a kunst.
zoidlord@43
We are talking at cross purposes. I assumed you were talking about a rise of fixed line ordinary telephone services against mobile phone services.
You are talking about something quite different it seems, access to the internet.
From 2007:
http://www.amta.org.au/articles/amta/Number.of.mobile.phones.now.exceeds.Australias.population
[For the first time there is now more than one mobile service for every Australian, with 21.26 million mobile phone services in operation at 30 June 2007, a 7.6 per cent increase from 19.76 million the year before, according to the Australian Communications and Media Authority Communications Report 2006-07, released today.]
From December 2013:
[30,200,000 mobile subscribers]
(wikipedia)
Thus a 50% increase in mobile phones in ~six years.
Pretty sure Hopper died several years ago?
fess@57. Try 5 years ago
fess,
Indeed.
Abraham Lincoln told me not to believe everything I read on Twitter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hopper
2010 in fact
Snap
GG:
Castro has died on twitter each year for years now. Some years he dies more than once. 😀
Lately twitter has taken to announcing Putin’s death.
GG @ 55
It;s a real art to pull that one off.
@Don/56
1. AMTA are a mobile lobby group.
2. ACMA report is old, try this one:
“Mobile services are now at saturation levels with 2013–14 seeing the first, albeit small, decline in the number of mobile services in operation to 31.01 million mobile services—a 0.3 per cent decline on the previous year”
3. mobile services in operation is inflated, i only use the numbers from the ABS….
4. “The total volume of data downloaded in Australia during the June quarter of 2014 was 53 per cent higher than the volume downloaded during the June quarter of 2013—data downloaded via fixed-line broadband increased by 53 per cent and downloads via wireless broadband increased by 20 per cent.”
Fixed Line still outways than Wireless.
I think you are also incorrect, Page 7 of the 2013-14 report states only 19.65 million Mobile phone handset are in use…
Mobile phone handset are quiet different to Mobile Wireless.
You are being confused as to what is being discussed.
TPOF,
It’s more than art if you are talking about me!
fess,
Well Castro should have a good look at himself then!
Do you have a dead pool for 2015 GG? you lover of kunst !
ESJ,
Given the number of children I own, that’s fecund kunst to you!
[The cowardly defenders of Labor’s metadata retention laws will be changing their tune when confronted with the scandals which will caused. Inappropriate use of data. Hacking. Abuses of power. Silencing of whistleblowers.]
interesting your argument is so weak you need to start with calling those with a different opinion cowards. i’m sure it is a ‘fact’ you can prove to your satisfaction not a characterisation grounded in your bias but anywhoo.
I think based purely on the economics it is poor policy, but it is a policy the Government and many Australians would undoubtedly support in the hope it offers some protection against terrorism.
It is a bet we are collectively entitled to make and if we give up some freedoms and get nothing in return that is still something we are entitled to do.
Whether Labor has been convinced by intelligence briefings on how it will be useful or is just betting with the majority of Australians that the price is worth it if it could possibly one day assist in terrorism prevention, I’m not sure they are right but it is very hard to argue with that logic.
Finally the whole privacy debate is quite poor. i would have thought by now those interested in privacy would have advanced beyond desperate (and ill-informed) broad reliance on a international treaty that has not specifically being enacted in Australian law. To derive any (or all sorts) of principles about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in relation to the internet from an article in a treaty signed before there was an internet is a very weak.
So as someone genuinely interested in privacy, and genuinely concerned about our stop gap use of law (while this is not unusual legally it isn’t as desirable as a considered code) to cover up gaps in society where we don’t have a right to privacy but should have one I would beg those most stridently impassioned by the surprise sudden realization the internet isn’t a sphere where your privacy is protected to formulate and advance a policy rationale to underpin a debate and a possibly a broad right to privacy and civil and criminal implications where appropriate of a breach of that right by other individuals or companies.
You might want to put this in a bill or rights (although as a nation we don’t seem all that interested in one of them) but you might just want to have some good arguments ready when the retained metadata is misused and that misuse comes to the public attention. At this time I’m not sure you have anything that would be compelling even when faced with clear misuse of data.
What is the response when an insurance company gets court ordered access to metadata to help deny an insurance claim?
What is the response when an copyright holder gets court ordered access to metadata to help prosecute a non-commercial personal use infringer?
Just stomping our feet and yelling we have a right to privacy just like the mail didn’t cut it in the debate just concluded and isn’t going to cut it in the future.
That is exactly the problem GG not enough people like you in Labor interested in mainstream activity like understanding kunst and their relationship to the kunst.
GG:
Shorter twitter: I don’t tweet, therefore I am dead.
How good it is to see the polls now showing the ALP primary with a 4 in front of it. Not a good sign for the Libs’ re-election chances.
Sorry for the typo’s.
Yeah, my bad. Sunday it was.
The link zoidlord gave to the ABS has a page for fixed line and mobile wireless and then a separate page on Mobile Handset downloads.
This means we can see that mobile wireless and mobile handsets combined had less than 100,000 TB in downloads (Dec 2014) while in the same period, fixed line had more than 1 million one hundred thousand TB in downloads.
It is true that downloads on mobile handsets had almost doubled over the twelve months to Dec but is still only 4% of total downloads. The point of course is that fixed line using NBN Fibre is essential to the majority of people and wireless is not the future.
Was that Hedda Hopper who died a few years ago?
ESJ,
I’ve been here all the time. Just not overly ambitious.
You’ve said before that you were screwed over by Labor and basically, did not have the wherewithal to fight back.
It’s just you’ve chosen to waste all your political effort to be sarcastic and belligerent towards Labor. There does not seem to be much of a plan in all that.
Revenge might give you personal satisfaction. However, it’s a wasted emotion. In this country you need to build your support and take your losses on the chin and keep fighting for what you believe in.
I suppose the main show is not for everyone.
[The point of course is that fixed line using NBN Fibre is essential to the majority of people and wireless is not the future.]
Yeah wireless is a part of the future predominantly a fill gap and periphery part, a massive fibre network is the spine of the future.
Turnbull’s NBN is a patchwork quilt of stupidity.
I think it will hurt electorally. I’m in an area where the developer put in coax cable to the premises 20 years ago, then gave it away to telstra (as part of a deal to get telstra to put in fibre to the premises in a newer part of the estate) and now the NBN is going in just 200 m from my house but there is no timeline at all to the NBN. Even if the NBN took the coax cable it would be better because we could chose between various packages, as it is we are captured by telstra.
Lol GG, is my pain and hurt so obvious?
Apparently, this cove is replacing Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QEWpWRG0no
As I’ve said many a time I hold no candle for either party GG. I worry about anybody who identifies excessively with either party. If that makes me bitter and twisted in thine eyes so be it.
ESJ,
Your pain and hurt is all ego driven.
GG,
[You’re drowning not waving and swimming outside the flags.
Your Greens comrades on the beach are arguing about the ethics of launching a rescue boat that compromises the environment of the blower fish.
You are doomed!]
I think Nicholas survives that scenario. His Greens comrades continue their pseudo-intellectual debate but, thankfully, there are other people on the beach who bear the responsibility of actually doing something.
What is this on the couch with Dr GG? Do you have a velvet smoking jacket?
jake,
Name one!
[Turnbull’s NBN is a patchwork quilt of stupidity.
I think it will hurt electorally.]
Local media is certainly talking up the arrival of ‘the NBN’ being rolled out here, even though it isn’t FTTP as per Labor’s policy and original plan.
Most people, if not everyone, will simply take this reportage at face value and accept that the coalition govt is delivering the NBN as originally intended.
ESJ,
Good night!
Your secrets are safe.
Just heard on the news Anna Bligh has resigned and as a result Campbell Newman has been made our Premier again for the next 3 Years as required by the Constitution of Queensland
Anna 2.0 rather
It’s an analogy. Don’t complicate things. Just run with it.
Phil Vee@75
So does that mean the Zoid is incorrect? Sounds like it, based on your post.
TrueBlueAussie@89
You really are a complete moron aren’t you?
I’ll be sure to keep that in mind next time I need a dodgy mortgage GG!
I see Kezza2 has been booted as was Kezza previously.
I await the arrival of Kezza3. 😀
[“You really are a complete moron aren’t you?”]
Does becoming left of centre require a humourbotomy?
When people use the services of a company like Facebook they voluntarily relinquish some of their privacy. What the government will be doing, with Labor’s craven backing, is to inflict a mandatory loss of privacy on everybody, and, to add insult to injury, to charge them a fee. Whistleblowing and general leaks to journalists will be much harder to do, which will reduce the information all of us will have about how we are governed and how corporations behave. Incredibly revealing data about our lives will be accessible to hackers and government officials alike, with opportunities for abuse and harm and no safeguards save a very weak one for journalists (the government-appointed public interest advocate who can make an argument on behalf of a journalist but won’t be able to stop data from being accessed). Worst of all, all of these harms are being imposed for no public purpose. Mandatory metadata retention has not made other countries more secure against terrorists or better at catching criminals. The experience of Europe and the US is emphatic on this point.
The fact that in other ways people have already experienced loss of privacy, mostly through voluntary processes, is no argument at all for adding massively to that loss through mandatory storage of everybody’s metadata for two years.
The excuses for the laws are flimsy. Labor flunkeys are looking for ways to defend the indefensible. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies want to expand their power (as always). It is not the role of democratically elected officials to cave in to every ambit claim made by government agencies. The government is supposed to promote the public good, and sadly,on this issue, the public got hosed.
Phil Vee@75 The point of course is that fixed line using NBN Fibre is essential to the majority of people and wireless is not the future.
Couldn’t agree more. Mobile download is a niche market for people on the move – I would find it quite convenient when I travel to upload gigabytes of photographs, if I were camping, which is a very difficult situation to get decent internet connection around the world.
But if you are staying in hotels, free wireless broadband is almost always available in first world countries.
And the mobile spectrum is often overloaded. Try making a mobile phone call at a big event with many thousands of people in one place and you will see what I mean.
@Confessions/86
Indeed, NBN propaganda HQ has been increasing lately (especially their Blog telling how great NBN is without saying the technology).
[ Does becoming left of centre require a humourbotomy? ]
And since when Goatchaser, has anything you posted been funny?
Newman V2. Labor will win by the country mile in 2018 🙂