Essential Research now has two weeks of polling to rub a fortnightly rolling average together, and the addition of this week’s sample to last week’s result causes two-party preferred to tick a point in the Coalition’s favour, from 54-46 to 53-47. The Coalition is up two points on the primary vote to 40%, with Labor, Greens and Palmer United respectively steady on 40%, 10% and 2%. Further questions find skepticism about Australian involvement in Iraq, the ABC and the High Court rated most trusted out of a specified list of “institutions and organisations” (though it doesn’t include police and defence forces, which might have rated higher), and the medical profession trusted in use of personal information but social media sites not so much. Also featured are interesting questions on internet and social media use, and a less interesting one on sports events.
From the previous thread: adam abdool @1060
[And in the UK, Labor could win in 12 weeks time with about 34% of the voting electorate (probably about 20% to 25% of the population). Does this mean that UK is not a democracy?]
I understand your point. The figures I give out are not the equivalent of Australia’s TPP. Effectively though, the Malaysian parliament is made up of either the governing coalition (Barisan Nasional or National Front, holding 47.38% of the votes and 133 seats) or the opposing coalition (currently going under the name of PKR or Pakatan Rakyat or People’s Coalition, holding 50.87% or 89 seats), with a very insignificant number going to independents or minor non-aligned parties (1.75% of the votes). Source
How ‘unexpected’ …
[The wealth that failed to trickle down: Report suggests rich do get richer while poor stay poor ]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/the-wealth-that-failed-to-trickle-down-report-suggests-rich-do-get-richer-while-poor-stay-poor-9989183.html
Also my point @1 was not about parties in general being represented by a lower number of voters, but about malapportionment. The largest parliamentary seat is 9 times more populous than the smallest one and on average the rural seats are 6 times over-represented compared to urban ones.
Wow, 68% of respondents use Facebook at least once a week, and 42% use it daily. OTOH for twitter it’s 16% and a paltry 5% using twitter daily.
Re Greens AS policy
It’s a dream not a policy. Utopian words of the holier than thou (or politically savvy) that ignores reality, process, budgetary restrictions and the dog whistle.
Put a number on it. Put a price on it. Then articulate what you’ll do when both are exceeded. That’s a policy.
If you can’t do that… then put a sock in it.
One thing the pope is good at. Prompting 😀 headlines.
[Catholics don’t have to breed ‘like rabbits’, says Pope Francis
………he said it’s not true that to be a good Catholic “you have to be like rabbits”. On the contrary, he said ]
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/20/catholics-dont-have-to-breed-like-rabbits-says-pope-francis
Why is no one talking about increasing the refugee intake. Not AS, but those in refugee camps worldwide awaiting processing.
poroti
Just been reading up on NZ history.
It turns out that one of Bluey’s acestors was a critical element in motivating Kupe to go to New Zealand from Hawaiki aka the Society Islands.
Kupe did so because Bluey’s ancestors and their mates were stealing Kupe’s bait.
I would rather not go into what happened when Kupe caught up with Bluey’s ancestors.
I had not realized that New Zealand actually has a name for the guy who found it.
Confessions
I have no interest at all in Facebook. For me it’s pretty much a read only medium where general messages from my fellow Greens can avoid clogging my email.
On the other hand, i have more than 34,000 tweets since June 2009. There haven’t been many days when I have failed to tweet at least once — maybe during school camps .., so possibly a dozen or so days.
Oddly, I find Twitter a medium I can work with, despite my posting style here.
Boerwar
BB was posting comments up until a few days ago
CTar1 @2:
Who’d have thought it? Trickle-down economics is like looking at an event where some people are able to eat more than others, and saying “The best way to feed those poor buggers over there is to let these ones already eating lots to stuff themselves!”
It doesn’t work like that. Investors don’t invest because they’re flush with cash: they invest because they see an opportunity to make money, and will borrow to realize it if needs be.
Re Ctari @2: the wealthy want to keep the extra money generated by economic growth and it won’t be ‘trickling’ if they can stop it. So avoid tax, supress employee wages and conditions wherever possible…
Gecko
[… words of the holier than thou (or politically savvy) that ignores reality, process, budgetary restrictions and the dog whistle.]
I discovered decades ago that there are a great many things in life that one is likely to be denied regardless of how much one wants it or how insistently one works for it. Some things are simply beyond one’s control.
The only thing one can really control is one’s ideas, values and ethics. These things should always be paramount and subject to that, one should press as hard as one can for everything else one desires.
To ask for something one wants and be denied it may simply be a case of not being timely in one’s request. To ask for what one doesn’t want and be granted it is to simply be a fool.
[josh gordon @joshgordo · 9m 9 minutes ago
Kroger now backed by Frydenberg, Hunt, Henderson, Andrews, Tudge, Sukkar, Billson, Stone, Ronaldson. Robert Doyle also. #springst]
‘fess
[Kroger now backed by Frydenberg, Hunt, Henderson, Andrews, Tudge, Sukkar, Billson, Stone, Ronaldson. Robert Doyle also.]
Sounds like a Mafia group.
Fran Barlow@13
To cut your nose off despite your face, is more foolish Fran. If the Greens can’t accept incremental change like the rest of us… then get out of the way and stop pretending you care about anything other than lofty ambitions… the nation can’t afford you the luxury of all or nothing.
Indeed man’s reach should exceed his grasp… but if he fails to grab anything… what’s the point?
confessions
Backed for what?
Boerwar
I was not aware that your Bluey’s ancestors had been part of the Kupe story. Maori had a strong oral tradition when it came to memorizing their ancestry. Maori kids in my class at school could recite the names of their ancestors going waaay back. Felt quite jealous of that ability , what with me at the time only able to recite back to g grandfather 🙂
Matt
The great JK Galbraith called it as crap years ago. Not to long before he died he said in an interview with Philip Adams “trickle down Theory” was more like piss on the poor. His most famous quote describing it is.
[“Trickle-down theory – the less than elegant metaphor that if one feeds the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.”]
MTBW:
Victorian Liberals presidency.
poroti
[what with me at the time only able to recite back to g grandfather]
I can make it back to great grand parents – including maiden names. After that they disappear into Ireland and northern England.
Thanks for that confessions.
poroti
[The great JK Galbraith called it as crap years ago. ]
There was a very good Septic cartoon on it but I can’t find it now.
Monkeys in various heights of a tree – the ones a the top pissing.
Just heard on the 6pm news that Pope Francis has said that Catholics do not have to breed like rabbits.
The more I hear from this man the more I love him.
Gecko
[To cut your nose off despite your face, is more foolish Fran.]
I don’t recommend it, but the operative principle here is: First, do no harm.
[If the Greens can’t accept incremental change like the rest of us]
Some policies lend themselves adequately to incremental change, or what organisational theorists sometimes call ‘continuous improvement’. This is typically because the optimal path is hard to see, the costs of delay arguably modest and the improvement helps clarify the best way forward. The education system is a good example of this.
Others require discontinuous improvement — a whole new way of doing things. This is because something is palpably wrong and threatens a disaster, or a fundamental ethical wrong is involved. The asylum seeker matter is an example.
And sometimes there is a mix of both continuous and discontinuous improvement strategies. We here in Australia can’t address climate change adequately on our own but we must lead and press others to follow our example helping them incrementally where they are reluctant.
Too often those who raise objections of your kind are not so much objecting to us as all or nothing advocates, as proponents of unethical compromise or apologists for an unjust status quo or simply lacking in solid convictions. It is such people that Australia can ill-afford.
Or this one Poroti
[“The “trickle-down” theory: the principle that the poor, who must subsist on table scraps dropped by the rich, can best be served by giving the rich bigger meals.”― William Blum]
MTBW@24
You need to catch the full story.
His conservative side is now showing.
Given that ‘American Sniper’ is getting some discussion on Twitter, and I have just quoted William Blum …
[“Do you remember the classic example of chutzpah? It’s the young man who kills his parents and then asks the judge for mercy on the grounds that he’s an orphan. The Bush administration’s updated version of that was starting a wholly illegal, immoral, and devastating war and then dismissing all kinds of criticism of its action on the grounds that ‘we’re at war.”
― William Blum, America’s Deadliest Export]
bemused
I am liking him and yes it may be just a snippet but it will do me.
MTBW
[Catholics do not have to breed like rabbits]
My father was a true believer but the mid 70s encyclic (however spelled) cracked him.
I asked him to explain it to me. We had a long conversation about contraception.
His summing up was ‘The pope is not infallible’.
MTBW@29
He reaffirmed traditional teachings. The ones widely ignored in developed countries but which cause high birth rates in poor countries.
Fran Barlow
It was called bullshit very early and was plainly bullshit yet it gained and kept currency. Ah the power of the bought and paid for meeja shills.
CTar1
I think it is encyclical.
Poroti
[It was called bullshit very early and was plainly bullshit yet it gained and kept currency. Ah the power of the bought and paid for meeja shills.]
True, but don’t discount how comforting that idea is to those who believe they might one day scale the corporate ladder and tuck into that lovely trough shared by the 0.1%.
Abbott government spouting utter lies and garbage about sustainability of Medicare, say three separate expert reports.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/16/the-facts-on-medicare-dont-lie-its-affordable-and-effective-without-a-gp-tax
This government couldn’t lie straight in bed.
Wise up LNP: Australians love Medicare, you aren’t convincing anyone, the facts are all against you, and the public are coming for you in 2016. It’ll be very, very ugly for you when they do.
Back off or lose office. It’s a simple as that.
Pope Francis is the media’s latest poster boy but despite the headlines he reaffirmed Humanae Vitae
– so basically masturbation, homosexul acts, IVF, donor insemination and any form of contraception except Vatican Roulette will send you to Hell
Further he said that criticism of this was neo-colonialism designed to impose western decadence on the developing world.
I forgot the biggy ANY abortions for ANY reasons including IUDs will send you straight to hell
Oakeshott Country
[Further he said that criticism of this was neo-colonialism designed to impose western decadence on the developing world.]
Darn right. The “Third” “Developing” world is their growth market for true believers. Same for the protestant evangelical fundy loons.
An interesting perspective on free-trade agreements from Paul Krugman
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/krugman/2015/01/19/suspicious-nonsense-on-trade-agreements/
Re Abbott’s generous offer to let Newman ‘run his own race’
If the QLD election goes as badly as some polls indicate, would it be disingenuous to ask Abbott afterwards if he ‘should have intervened’
I suppose now they can always blame Alan Jones and the ‘shock jock vote’
Fran
Tell that to those on Manus Island and every other AS who has run foul of the LNP ‘stop the boats’ policy.
And thus a responsible party faced with such an ethical dilemma would spell out its policy on this new way… enabling the voters the opportunity of vetting its worth and impact, regardless of the flowery words. This is, after-all, what others must do if they want to govern.
Beware the contender who never gets into the ring… they’re full of it.
Or am I being disingenuous 🙂
Very interesting story on ABC News about how this government has chopped the hell out of social services and, as a result, a community volunteer organisation in Holyrod has had to close down after 50 years. Looks like hundreds of organisations are going to shut their doors and the effect will soon be felt.
7.And if it was asked of Abbott he may well just go into shuddering brain-lock. 🙁
by imacca on Jan 20, 2015 at 3:38 pm
No, Tony would remind us how much Australian women are better off without a Carbon Tax.
A friend made a very interesting point. With all of the streaming services arriving in Australia (netflix) etc, many people are going to suddenly realise that we have absolutely crap infrastructure (44th fastest in the world) and start asking themselves why.
Barney in Saigon
[No, Tony would remind us how much Australian women are better off without a Carbon Tax.]
Well of course, doing the ironing costs far less now.
[ No, Tony would remind us how much Australian women are better off without a Carbon Tax. ]
On the basis that their irons are cheaper to run now? He does have a remarkable knack when canvassing for the the ladies vote wot?? 🙂
[ Well of course, doing the ironing costs far less now. ]
Damn! Pinged by daH Kiwi!! 🙁
Potato head on 730.
imacca
Maybe so but you “value added” with the observation that da Blood Oaf “does have a remarkable knack when canvassing for the the ladies vote wot?” .