The Sunday News Limited tabloids have published the first poll since the budget, courtesy of Galaxy. Details from the reporting are sketchy, but it is presumably a phone-plus-online poll of around 1400 respondents, assuming it followed the same routine as the previous Galaxy poll a fortnight ago. Two-party preferred is at 53-47 in favour of Labor, up from 52-48, from primary votes of 38% for the Coalition (down one), 38% for Labor (up one) and a new high of 8% for Palmer United (up two). No result is available as yet for the Greens. (UPDATE: GhostWhoVotes relates that the Greens are down a point to 10%, and that the poll was conducted from Wednesday to Friday from a sample of 1399.)
With regards to the budget, only 41% rate it as good for the economy versus 46% for not good, while fully 74% say they expect to be worse off against only 11% for better off. The former set of numbers are in stark contrast to the Howard government’s first tough budget after it came to power in 1996, which according to Newspoll was rated good for the economy by 59% and bad by only 22%, with 6% opting for neither good nor bad (an option not available from Galaxy). The only other budget since 1995 to have scored a net negative rating from Newspoll on this measure was last year’s, at 35% for good, 37% for bad and 7% for neither).
The results on impact on respondents’ financial position resemble Newspoll’s findings for the politically disastrous budget that John Dawkins brought down after Labor’s election victory in 1993, which had 4% for better off, 74% for worse off and 17% for no change (the latter option again not available from Galaxy). However, whereas the results from 1993 were accompanied by a collapse in support for the Keating government, this poll has two-party preferred unchanged on pre-budget polling.
Steve777
Whatever the Rabbott said the voters weren’t wearing their hearing aids apparently..
Steve777
Whatever the Rabbott said the voters weren’t wearing their hearing aids apparently..
BW –
China is determined to be heavy handed regarding the disputed waters and has accompanied it with a strong naval presence.
The Vietnamese hierarchy are already trying to calm things down but there are centuries of bad blood between them as well.
Kaplan and others said the Chinese would always try to get the Viets to buckle first – and the rest will back down – Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei etc.
Shades of Putin as discussed previously.
BTW Putin also got a gasfield along with Crimea –
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/world/europe/in-taking-crimea-putin-gains-a-sea-of-fuel-reserves.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0
[Bushfire Bill
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Vietnamese strike back at China…
The Vietnamese have a good track record in standing up to very large powers.]
True, but they have also been occupied by China for centuries at a time.
Mari
You’ll be 9000km away from Abbott therefore a good time is guaranteed!
Boerwar
Thanks re floods all I need
Centre
re Malaysian no don’t want to disappear. BA this time, so far good except the time change to Athens, t is at least on time so far.
liyana
After the death of my father a few months ago, I worked out the value of a Pension Card in Qld.
It works out to be ~$700 a year.
MTBW
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AA
Is that link fair dinkum?
Does he really have a promotion for a company on his vest?
YEP
BK
Agree with that but would like to be around when he gets “knifed” :devil:
“@JSalmonupstream: @vanbadham Official Budget Protest Figures: Syd 50k using clicker counters on march.”
AA
When was this considered OK?
Abbott apparently wouldn’t shout if a shark bit him.
Disgraceful!!!!!
dave
Yep.
We need to acknowledge that we are transitioning from a temporary, western blip, to a more permanent asian status quo. That is to say, asians determine what’s what and who’s who in asia.
We have a number of options:
(1) move straight away to a vassal state status with china. This would not be too bad, IMHO. They would know that we are prepared to flog stuff off for free and provide security of access. Provided we are polite about it they would be prepared to allow us a very significant degree of autonomy.
(2) develop a defence block with, essentially, the malays and aim for to use the pivot to play off India and China.
(3) up the ante with what we are doing already, which is essentially a historic and strategic dead end. This is the Sheridan/Abbott preferred option, and probably also the core Labor position.
(4) Aim for a reasonably powerful non-aligned position. IMHO, Australians would, as a whole, be far too frightened to go down this path.
(5) Disarm and cross your fingers. This is the Greens position.
[mari
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Boerwar
Thanks re floods all I need]
Take your bum boat with you and all will be well.
They just showed footage of Abbott from Insiders this morning on channel 9 in Sydney. The monkey looks terrible.
not a happy chappy
the chim pan zee
just take it to a double D
🙂
C
Mr Abbott did look a tad mummified but, IMHO, it was the pancake makeup that seemed to be responsible for his rather pasty-faced appearance.
BW –
[ True, but they have also been occupied by China for centuries at a time. ]
In the 70’s China attacked Vietnam over what it saw as Vietnam getting too big for their boots over Cambodia etc – the intention being to penetrate into Vietnam and then retreat.
Firstly the Vietnamese drew the Chinese deeper into Vietnam then the chinese intended then the Viets gave them a hiding.
When the Chinese tried to retreat the Viets surrounded them and kept killing them. The Chinese paniced and were shooting down their own air cover to the extent the PLA Air force refused to provide support.
Eventually the Chinese were allowed to leave – result – many thousands dead and wounded – hundreds of Chinese Generals sacked and retired from the PLA and the PLA itself re-organized.
Neither side will have forgotton.
AA
Don’t forget the pfizer logo on Abbott right shoulder
B
He’s aging the Monkey.
[Mr Abbott has said he wants the states to take more responsibility for schools and hospitals, adding that the Coalition never promised to stick by long-term funding deals struck by the former Labor government.]
Unity Tickets aren’t what they used to be. I wonder why Abbott said it, unless he deliberately lied his way into office?
Just saw the “abbott lied” ALP ad on tv.
Hard hitting and direct. Well done George Wright and co.
[True, but they have also been occupied by China for centuries at a time.]
In the words of our Fearless Leader, T. Abbott:
“That was then. This is now.”
I think their going to get away with it.
Still, marching today I feel somewhat better, just need another million to do the same.
May have been posted before, but from the main article:
“The former set of numbers are in stark contrast to the Howard government’s first tough budget after it came to power in 1996, which according to Newspoll was rated good for the economy by 59% and bad by only 7%, with 6% opting for neither good nor bad (an option not available from Galaxy).”
7% in 1996 was the figure for Extremely Bad; the total figure for Bad in 1996 was 22%.
Good onya Mike!
My favourite posters from the Sydney protest today. “there is no deficit” and “Give me back my lucky country”… Oh the great unwashed…
Thanks Kevin, corrected.
Marching reported on CH7 as “Greens and Unions”. Naturally.
This is the thing that annoys me so much about MSM analysis of the budget broken promises.
The question never gets asked – why did Abbott promise all of these things in the first place?
How about they actually think about the counterfactual – what if Abbott hadn’t promised no change to pensions, no cuts to health, unity ticket on education etc.
Well, of course, the LNP would have been asked “so what are your plans for health, education, pensions?” “what do you plan to cut?” “Is medicare safe in its current form?” “Will you be funding Gonski and the NDIS as they need to be funded?” etc etc etc. ie Abbott and the LNP would have had to (a) actually have plans and (b) actually inform us of what those plans were.
They “unity ticketed” their way out of explaining to the Australian public what they actually planned to do.
If that’s not the biggest lie of all I don’t know what is, and sections of the media (though not all – there is some life in our MSM yet) have just glossed over all of that – the deliberate conning of the Australian voting public – and moved on to post-hoc rationalizations for why we need to take fiscal medicine in the form the LNP have tried to deliver.
Evening bludgers
Went to the rally in melbourne today. It was packed to the rafters. News reports suggest over 10,000 people. I have been to rallies in the past, and this looked a whole lot bigger.
Adam bandt was one of the speakers and he was suggesting that if Labor and palmer together with thr greens block the budget, there can be a new PM by Xmas
lizzie
Yeah, spin wash repeat. The media is hopeless.
Mike
[I think their going to get away with it.]
How did you come to that conclusion Mike?
So it appears that the only think Abbott will be able to get through the Senate is the high income tax and a repeal of the carbon price.
Not too bad at all!
lizzie
I became acquainted with a few fellow travellers and they were Labor supporters. From what I could see there was a cross section of Melburnians that were mighty pissed off with this govt
One of the great mysteries of our time, how Abbott became PM.
sceptic
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AA
Don’t forget the pfizer logo on Abbott right shoulder
And the Cadbury logo
BW –
Kaplan believes the Malays have already struck ‘an understand’ with china particularly over disputed territory and by implication more broadly. That the Malays would ‘deal’ was the expectation.
Like it or not our position will probably remain with the US Alliance but not necessarily the way you put it in 3) above.
With any luck both of us will be long gone by then.
Additionally don’t necessarily assume China’s progress will be without serious setback or setbacks – all sorts of circumstances can and probably will occur.
I’m not arguing they won’t continue to rise etc – just that it won’t necessarily be the straight line seen from their admittance to the World Trade Organisation in 2001 (I think) – sponsored and supported heavily by the US – thats when the serious economic rise of China took off.
So how much will the neighbors accept being pushed around by China and lets not write the US off too quickly either – many unknowns there too, of course.
[They “unity ticketed” their way out of explaining to the Australian public what they actually planned to do.
If that’s not the biggest lie of all I don’t know what is, and sections of the media (though not all – there is some life in our MSM yet) have just glossed over all of that ]
If they start on about that now then all it does is simply underscore their incompetence in not pushing the coalition further on their policies pre election.
Dee
Been drinking with my nephew, young people seem very disengaged. I shouldn’t post when I’ve been on the sherbets.
632
Abbott may be able to get the excise indexation through the Senate, because the Greens may support it but are against spending the money collected on roads.
Has Palmer actually announce how his Senators will actually vote on the carbon price repeal?
victoria
One guy in Sydney interviewed said he wouldn’t be affected because he had a good job, but he was marching because it as so unfair to the unemployed.
The conservatives genuinely believe that only fools (that is Greens and Labor) object to the budget.
See ya, the lib outlaws have arrived for their weekly feed.
Victoria
If Abbott calls a DD I will eat 100 bananas in a row without eating anything else over the course of a week.
Victoria
Bandt touched on something which I was thinking about.
If the budget is so dire then the case could be made for the government place a levy on any business which was formed by the government hence the government can gain an additional dividend from business the taxpayer created such as the CBA and Telstra.
Yes I know they already do play corporations tax but the government doesn’t gain a dividend from their profits.
lizzie
The people i met, were like myself. Doing quite nicely in their own personal lies. They are very concerned about the unnecessary assault on the more vulnerable in society.
Abbott was the main focus of people’s anger. He is disliked immensely
[Adam bandt was one of the speakers and he was suggesting that if Labor and palmer together with thr greens block the budget, there can be a new PM by Xmas]
Not sure I’m feeling how Bandt connects blocking the budget with the Liberals shanking Abbott.
Centre
Other people around me were not optimistic that this would happen either
Rabbott is telling voters they were listening and hearing different things but should have been aware of what he was thinking. 😯
confessions
Bandt was suggesting that there would be a new election and the fibs would get booted out
victoria
Good. His performance on Insiders this morning (the bit I saw) was horrid.
Boerwar
Taking the bum boat to Malaysia this time on way home in August,(from Changi Wharf) now I know that all OK with visa.
Looking forward to it
May be an idea though re floods , but are they in Croatia as well?